Gaza flotilla organizer admits activists seized weapons from Israeli soldiers
Turkish leader of intercepted ship says activists threw weapons into the sea; former French judge: Turkish judge: Turkish group linked to Qaida attack on LAX.
By Haaretz Service and The Associated Press Tags: Israel news Gaza flotillaA Turkish organizer of a pro-Palestinian aid flotilla admitted on Thursday to seizing weapons from Israeli soldiers who stormed the boats, but said activists beat the soldiers only in self defense.
Bulent Yildirim, who was deported from Israel along with hundreds of other foreigners who tried breaching an Israeli blockade on the Gaza Strip, said activists grabbed weapons from the soldiers who dropped onto the vessel, but then threw them into the sea.
Yildirim also said that the activists attacked the Israeli commandos with chairs and sticks in self defense. Nine of the activists were killed in the operation on Monday and several more wounded when Israeli commandos opened fire on the ship. Seven soldiers were also wounded in the incident.
Even if the activists had turned the soldiers' guns on them it would have been in legitimate self defense, said Yildirim, adding that the raid on Monday was conducted in international waters.
The Israeli commandos said that the activists surrounded and attacked them as they entered the ship and also say they acted in self-defense
Yildirim vowed to organize bigger convoys by land and sea if Israel did not end the blockade of Gaza.
The Turkish Islamic charity that Yildirim heads has been linked by various sources to terrorism networks, including Al-Qaida and Hamas.
Former French judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere said Thursday that Istanbul-based Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief.was connected to a 1999 plot by Al-Qaida to bomb Los Angeles International Airport.
The group had "clear, long-standing ties to terrorism" when he investigated it in the late 1990s, Bruguiere, saying it was "basically helping al-Qaida when bin Laden started to want to target U.S. soil."
The group vehemently denies any ties to radical groups and is not among some 45 groups listed as terrorists by the U.S. State Department. "We have nothing to do with any illegal organization," declared one of its leaders.
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An activist holding a knife aboard a Gaza-bound aid ship on May 31, 2010. |
| Photo by: Provided by IDF Spokesperson's Unit |
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The Turkish terrorlist group on board this ship was called " Insani Yarun Vakfir". Last Sunday there was a news report that Syria has been passing on Long Range Rockets from Iran, to the Hezbullah in Lebanon, these Rockets G-D forbid will find there way into Gaza, on these boats, with toher weapons, why did they not let these ships be checked, they were firstly a publicity campaign, and also a trial run.I hope that Israel checks these 3 ships on the way to Gaza at the moment, becuse you can be certain that those rockets are on board, as they will think that Israel would not stop them again.
as an example, just look at the cargo ships sailing near the coast of somalia. they are attacked everyday by pirates and criminals and I have no problem with those crewman defending themselves anyway they can, especially since they are innocent civilians in international waters. the same exact situation played out this past weekend in the mediterranean!
Par.: 5.2.10:" Blockade,i.e.the interdiction of all or certain maritime traffic coming from or going to a port or coast of a belligerent , is a legitimate method of navan warfare..........Neutral vessels...breaching a blockade may be stopped and captured. If they, after prior warning, clearly resist capture, they may be attacked" so international law is on Israel's side...
The video evidence shows that the soldiers were being lynched the minute they got off the ropes. metal bars being used like clubs are clearly visible. There is currently a soldier in the hospital recovering from stab wounds from when a knife that was thrust into his chest. You can see the mob throwing him from the deck The organizers admit that guns were stolen from soldiers. You don't need to be a genius to work out those soldiers lives were in danger and they had every right to open fire. Also if this was such a peaceful mission why did they bring knives & clubs, why can you see on video taken from the ships cameras passengers in bullet proof vests and gas masks? Boarding the ship was legal and all the evidence clearly shows the soldiers were defending themselves. I just hope that Bibi changes his mind on allowing an independent investigation which will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt Israel did nothing illegal and the passengers started this incident Israel just ended it.
So we are clear and fair.... any association with an alleged terrorist group automatically makes everyone tangentially connected to it a terrorist, right? Ever hear of the Irgun or Stern Gang? Both were full on terrorist groups and also produced 3 Israeli Prime Ministers and the Israeli Labor Party. thus, the entire population of Israel as well as all of its supporters worldwide are also terrorists - by your definition, not mine!
Look at this picture supplied by the IDF. Accorcing to the IDF the picture was taken AFTER the raid. Notice the light strweeaming through the window in the background. Notice the person behind the 'subject' holding a camera. Notice that none of the people in the photo are nervous and none of the them are wearing life jackets. Also, why would a subject be holding a knife after the IDF was on the scene? Did the soldiers allow someone to brandish a knife, any knife, after the raid? It is all too ridiculous.
It's interesting how after everything is done this flotilla is funded by terrorist. I know Israel has some of the best intel in the world. Why now does this information come out. How could this man in the picture be on the flotilla with all those smiling photographers standing behind him? If someone was pointing a gun at me and I could take it from him, I would. I can't they just admit that this was a bad situation. You can't imprison millions of innocent people because a hundreds of bad people and call it right. Remember what your forefathers went through and don't repeat the injustice.
How many solders died? this is a question and answer for your funny reasons to couse a dramma...
Even if, Israel found nuclear bombs in this ships...the whole handling of the situation was so bad, stupid and distastrus, that NOBODY in the world would believe it...
Very interesting opinion by retired French judge, and what did Judge Goldstone have to say?
without hearing and considering as much facts as possible. You have nothing to consider here, only to wait and see.
How laughable is that. They admit taking the guns from some soldiers and threw then into the sea just as they tried to tjhrow soldiers into the sea. If all the guns that had been taken were thrown into the sea, how does one explain the bullet wounds suffered by two soldiers. Oh yeah The peaceniks didnt do it, they were shot by their own brothers in arms dont ya know. We are seeing small admissions from the flottila organizers and at the same time we see them trying to minimize their involvement and culpability. Seems Turkey and these organizers have got some serious questions to answers, including why they were armed to the teeth with long knives heavy pick axe handles, steel bars and pistols . peaceful protesters dont carry or use such weapons. Then again this is the Middle east where the truth from arabs is shaky at best
They preferred metal bars,clubs,knives and stun grenades,they would never use weapons that can kill,keep in mind they are activists. :)
Are you serious? So now you classify people armed with chairs, possibly wooden axe handles, steel bars as "armed to the teeth"? So then how would you refer to an IDF soldier carrying stun grenades, pistols and machine guns? In this case, semantics are important and your failure to understand these differences renders your arguments unintelligent and frankly makes a possibly “smart” person appear ideological and fanatic. I am sorry for you.
The true face of all this...inocents?, peace activists?
Why this constant repetition of the claim that the raid was illegal because it took place in international waters? Interdiction of ships attempting to run blockades almost always take place in international waters. The only problem is if they take place in the waters of a neutral country. See the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994.
David, please, no one is interested in facts; they just want to discredit Israel and of course all Jews, as well! They even hate Jews like Noam Chomsky and Goldstone, who are their ardent allies.
Boohoo.. they are not interested in the truth. Boohoo...
Many millions of people have nothing but respect and admiration for Noam Chomsky and Judge Goldstone.
"Photo by: Provided by IDF Spokesperson's Office" As mentioned, this phone was clearly not shot during or after the raid. By spreading this easily-refuted proaganda, all credibility is lost. It is very unfortunate to see that Haaretz is not only picking this proaganda up but posting this picture everywhere on it's website. It's clearly an attempt to de-humanize the activists ("look at this filthy, angry arab with his huge knife"). On the other hand, attacking those commandos was a very stupid thing to do, even if such an attack would have been justified. In the end, both sides have reasons of accusing each other of violence with Israel being in the defensive. Anyone knows why nobody is talking about those alleged guns that the activists were using to fire on the commandos? Propaganda as well?
With the polished finish, and the reflections, it has a rather artificial appearance. And pls note the fist of that guy, the position of his fingers! The handle of the knife must be very thin. Strange. :D
tHE KNIFE HE IS BRANDISHING IS A kRIS. IS IS A THIN BALDE OF HAMMERED STRUCK DAMASCUS STEEL IT IS TRADITIONAL ARAB WEAPON. iT IS NOT A CEREMONIAL DAGGER, AND IT CAN CUT VERY DEEPLY AND IS EXCELLENT FOR STABBING.
The important point isn't if this is a Kris or a Khukuri or any other knife. The important point is if its for real, and not simply a photoshop fake! Just use your common sense: That picture was shot after sunrise. By then, the IDF had the boat under control. Do you think it's likely that they would let a guy run around with that blade in his hand? Doesn't make any sense to me.
photoshop? c'mon! grow up!
nuff said read the above subject
You see Mossad even behind the Rachel Corrie technical problems so how would someone like you accept veracity of the picture above? First the handle of the knife was thin, then the knife was too polished,then surprising it does matter what kind of knife it is,after that came the photoshop ploy,sunrise,IDF around etc etc geez. How come you don't question his presence on the boat? Sure he was there Gray?And even if he was,do you think it is legal to publish his picture without his consent?Do something Gray!
is that you will call any evidence Israel produces fabricated - truth doesn't matter as long as you get to blame Israel. Just use your common sense and you will see that this is the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_zJb06JXto
The caption of the photo above, of the man holding a knife reads: "An activist on board the Gaza flotilla holding a knife after Israel Navy commandos boarded their ship on May 31, 2010." How on earth can this description be correct? The picture was clearly taken during some kind of photo session, as the man is surrounded on all sides by relaxed photographers. The picture itself is steady and in focus, quite different from the images of the raid we have seen so far. Was this caption provided by the IDF spokesperson that also provided the picture? If so, it should not have been adopted without question by Haaretz.
it is an excuse for the guns they already had.
... and this has aleady been confirmed by Israel govt.
Jean-Louis Bruguiere is jewish
And Goldstone also, so what is your conclusion?
And Goldstone also, so what is your conclusion?
And Goldstone also, so what is your conclusion?
...he is the latest in a long line of magistrates (eleven generations), and that he tracked down and captured one of the world's most wanted terrorists, Carlos (the Jackal), among many other accomplishments. And you finally progressed to call yourself "observer".... from the previous "idiot".
It's as though his muslim heroes take their orders from the White House. America seems to have no guts w/ Obama in charge, and no victory over terrorists.
Get ready for the "Even these poor Pacifists and peace activists" could beat up the Israeli Elite Commandos. What kind of "Men" are these Israelis. Only good when they have their guns. Well done Haaretz for entertaining the obvious fabrication.
IDF: They stole our weapons Turks: NO WE DIDNT! Turks: Well we did steal the weapons but we threw them into the sea, but IF we used them, it would be ok. OJ Simpson: If I Did It...
Soldier used it to kill 9 civilians, civilians threw them into the sea... And you still say stories
those on the ship may have used them before they threw them into the sea, and the IDF may have been shooting in self-defense. You are biased dude.
That IDF picture is a bad photshop job. The "knife" is obviously manipulated into an original picture. But we already know about the IDF's incompetence, so we probably shouldn't care.
"An activist on board the Gaza flotilla holding a knife after Israel Navy commandos boarded their ship on May 31, 2010." Right. See how daylight shines through the window behind him? The picture may have been taken on the ship but certainly not during the raid. How easy it is to expose propaganda.
The caption is wrong -- the photo was taken BEFORE the raid. During the preparations for the flotilla.
The raid took place at 4am- what time do you think sunrise occurs in Israel? Duh?
The conclusions he draws from his investigations are always controversial. See Wikipedia.
For instance he got Carlos and you blame him that his investigation is controversial. So, dear, what was controversial in getting Carlos? That he didn't notice you too?
So, it should be no problem to create a list of IDF weapons that were lost during the attack. Let the world see what those commandos carried with them when they tried to "peacefully" enter the ship!
Time to Start Bigger Flotilla to Kurdistan that is Occupied by Turkey, FREE FREE KURDISTAN!
You might have some trouble, given that Kurdistan has no sea access, but it can't hurt to try. Anyway, it's a worthy cause.
Start your plan by finding a port in Kurdistan. Good luck! :D
Yes, start bringing goods to Kurdistan. There are so many roads you can drive on without any checkpoint like palestine. But please dont take a vessel, you will not be able to find a port
any country that condemns israel in this affair, is in fact siding with radical islamist terrorists. europe in particular must decide whether it will continue to be blackmailed by islamic terrorists.
Israelis sailing aboard a ship, would meekly allow masked and armed Iranian Commandos to board from helicopters because that is how others can expect the IDF to act, right? Gimme a break. And why is Israel loosing al Qaida on the world, if they are al Qaida and the US is at war with al Qaida???
trying to stop them with paintball guns,I can feel your pain,your frustration mixed with deception...It must hurt to see your heroes leaving Israel chained like criminals,I know,but would Iranians treat Israeli lynching mob better? You would be first to defend Iranians right to kill in self defense,right? Right Mark?
Israeli activists trying to break into Iran... to deliver "aid" to let's say.. a violent Kurdish group. Then when the Iranian commandos board the ship they're attacked with clubs and knives. I'd be very surprised if the death toll was ONLY 9.
Something about that photo is strange. I see 2 people apparently sitting on the ground, while a larger group is standing around/behind them and taking photos of something. Seems all somehow relaxed and not in a very stressful situation. I wonder in what situation this photo was taken..surely not during the attack of the IDF. At least that's what I make of it. But yeah, it's a perfect photo for propaganda usage without the context.
It was taken before the attack, a few days beforehand. That photo was circulating as the ships were preparing and the activists were aboard. You can find videos online of the IHH militants aboard the vessel getting into a frenzy chanting about a battle with Jews and calling for martyrdom. -- All BEFORE the Israelis ever got close.