Egypt: Israel wants to 'dump' Gaza on us

You could make Egypt a cash offer. Or you could just offer REAL Freedom to Gaza if they make a deal to put the PA, unrestricted by Israel or by Oslo back in charge for a five-year period, minimum.

At the UN there is a Council that is unoperative in modern times but left things unresloved. I am talking about the Iduciary Council which acording to the Charter should take care of such places while conditions make it posible to be taken over by a proper state.

Egypt had control of Gaza twice (1948-1956, 1957-1967). It never was able to hold it. Israel captured it without fight. Israel left Gaza under pressure and when Sharon was PM. Like in Lebanon, everybody was on the run. Because of its situation. Gaza was not free. It was left to the merci of Israel, PA of Abbas/Dahlan, and the Egyptians. The three partis had common goal and were in perfect cooperation to prohibit Hamas from coming to the scene. Now Israel being under unprecedented pressure and itself beseiged world public opinion, might be obliged to let Gasa free. That would be an immense gain for Palestinians. For the first time, Palestinians woulod have a free land of their own. They do not need Egypt which had for long humiliated and blackmailed them. With maritime and air links to the world, Gaza could become the flagship of freedom for Palestinians. PA of Abbas would face popular unrest in the West Bank and forced to flee. People of the world would support Gaza. It is in the interest of real and durable peace that at last Israelis face reality and accept that the Palesinian people be free. The last colonialism in the world would have been no more. Current Israeli leadership is not qualified to take historic stand. It is still under the mentality of arrogance and illusion of invincibility. Free Gaza is in the strategic interest of Egypt .

But wait, Egyptians are their "brothers." They would treat their brothers like this? Why wouldn't they want to help their brothers or is it that they cannot use them any longer to furthur their agenda so let someone else use them.

If Israel decides to disengage from Gaza and close the border crossings. There is little anyone can do about it. The main burden will not be on Israel's Egyptian neighbors but on the UN and EU, Rafah will only be an access point for the EU and UN. Responsibility for Gaza Strip will be handed over to the EU and what they organize with the UN and Egypt. Because this has been put on the table, there will added importance for reconciliation between the PA and Hamas, so that Gaza Strip is not excluded from the two state solution. And they can negotiate united with Israel. However and the US must understand that there will be no talks with the PA if Hamas are reconciled and Gilad Shalit is not returned. It is the policy of many nations, US, UK to mention a few not to negotiate with hostage takers. No direct talks with a PA that actively holds a Israel hostage, I think any reasonable person would understand this.

Egypt will hear from Israel and the int'l community if it lets in supplies to 'terrorists' (Palestinians). No country will want Gaza until there is enough int'l aid money to rebuild an agro-industrial economy there. Then all the roads will open up!

Take the Saudi peace proposal, haggle for a few months, and have done with it. You know perfectly well this would work.

Israel cannot, and will not agree to lifting the naval and air blockade on Gaza as long as Hamas rules there, for the simple reason that weapons will be smuggled. Moreover the IDF will continue to move in and out of Gaza as it feels necessary for security. Therefore, the vestiges of the Gaza occupation by Israel will remain. It means that Israel has the ultimate responsibility over Gaza as the "occupying power", and this will remain in place until Palestine gains independence or Hamas decides to turn over the rule to Abbas, very unlikely to happen.

Ross Mountain, international director of DARA, Madrid, says "In 2009, the international community contributed US$765 million to UN appeals for Gaza and the rest of the occupied territories and is asking this year for US$644.5 million, totally unnecessary if Israel lifted the blocus and removed West Bank barriers.

I do not believe that Israel has the responsibility or the capability to take care of or provide for the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians." Israel has won control of a certain amount of land in the course of defending itself from external attacks. It has given much of this land back to the attackers even though it could be argued that the land was part of the "true" historical Israel. The Arab refugees should have been resettled in Arab lands long ago. They are not really Israel's responsibility. The Arabs have kept them in a refugee status as a part of their attempt to destroy Israel.

I haven't understood all along why the Israeli blockade is such an issue if Egypt could fix it so easily. Ans: Egypt is no more anxious for free crossings with Gaza than Israel, because the fundamentalist Islamists in Gaza pose a threat to Egypt as well.

What does that mean? If the options are continue with the way things are or seal the borders and leave Gaza to Hamas and Egypt - what should Israel do?

There is only one solution to the Gaza problem. The Arabs have to be pushed into Egypt to join their brothers. But if that happened public opinion would call it an outrage.

It explains why Egypt has participated with the siege amongst other things. The main question is Palestinian Unification. The Israeli policy has been to split the Palestinians. This makes the Israeli position stronger, e.g. no need for territorial concessions for a contiguous Palestinian state connecting Gaza to WB for just one item. Israel wishes to be rewarded for its agression and siege toward Gaza by having it's objective handed to them without cost. Even though they have US support it is not likely the goal will be obtained. The astute observer will have noted Turkey's push for Palestinian Unification as an important item in their newly found role. The crude manner in which the "proposal" (attributed to Katz) was floated likely indicates desparation, an indication of the house of cards about to fall apart.

did it not through was it initiated end up governing and ruling Gaza in 1948 and only in 1967 losing it? And then refusing to take it back when offered it together with the Sinai (which it took back) in the peace accords. Now it wants to dump it on Israel and blame Israel for everything. It has historic responsibility it refuses to even acknowledge. It ruled Gaza first and Gazans want trade and interaction with Egypt, even their Arabic is the of the Egyptian dialect, as is their culture. They are very different from the West Bank Palestinians. Yet they want Israel to be responsible for everything. They hate Gaza.

This is a very shameful statement from Egypt,gazan being their arab brothers.

Here are two things that everyone should know that has been forgotten by the world: 1) Prior to the 6 Day War in 1967 the Arab countries surrounding Israel encouraged Palestinians to leave Israel (and they went into the refuge of Gaza and the West Bank) until the Arab world gets rid of Israel. During the 6 day way in 1967 between Israel and most of the Arab world Israel occupied Gaza and the West Bank which belonged to Jordan and Egypt respectively. Both of those countries declined receiving those territories back as part of the agreed peace agreements. Both Jordan and Egypt first encouraged all Palestinians to leave Israel and then they truly abandoned them after the war. 2) Somehow, while everyone is shouting at Israel to open up a blockade to an Enemy Entity (Gaza run by Hamas) which is outright committed to the destruction of Israel.....No one thinks it's weird that Egypt, an Arab country has not been willing until this week to open the crossing and be as harsh as Israel on Hamas. Why is Egypt not being called cruel to the Palestinians?

The imprisonment and devastation of Gaza, the destruction of its economy, more than 1000`s dead, illegal use of weapons, illegal settlements, and now Israel’s infernal wall that scars the land; a prison wall that Israel is building around itself with its own people both as prisoners & prison guards. Israel is destroying itself politically & morally from within.

Get real. Israel would leave gaza if the morons stopes trying to kill Israeli civilians, with rockets and all kinds of evil toys. Not rocket science. Such a bunch of anti-Semites. Where is the outrage over the 176 Uzbec civilians massacered this week. Oh I forgot it's ok cause the world is busy fussing over Israel protecting it's civilians. Oh oh that paragon of morality in that house of dictators, Mr moony has asked for containment of the genocidal massacres. Big woop! Containment! what a bunch of evil hypocrites. Give me a. Break how evil are the world leaders and how stupid are the masses. Jeff

why the world blame only israel and not also egypt for the blockade?

Be our guests, open the land & naval entries into Gaza. The world, or at the very least the liberals, will still bitch & moan about Israel's "devastating" blockade of Gaza, completely ignoring the free-for-all side of Egypt, since humanitarian aid flows through Rafiah now, I'm glad to announce that there's no more "humanitarian crisis" in Gaza (like there ever was), good for them -- I guess. Oh yes, Egypt talking about "evading responsibility" is as hilarious as Turkey talking about "war crimes", both hypocritical as hell, it's borderline insanity, people get sued for less.

tsk tsk, shame on you

What problem can't be solved by refusing to open its eyes. All the world blames Israel so it wants to get the Gypers to take on Palestinians. What could be simpler?

As international laws, The occupier is always responsible for the well being of all civilian livinh under its controlled area. Israel should not ignore its reponsibilities towards Gaza and pass them to Egypt.

will make of thsis. As I predicted the permanent opening of the Rafah Crossing for all aid with the flotillas going to Port Said to offload their aid? Looks like even the Israeli government are agreeing with me.

which ever way you look at it the catholic church has been ground zero for antisemitism for 2000 years and will never let go.

Carter's notes from Camp David show an adamant Begin absolutely refusing to return Gaza to Egyptian control. Today's CIA World Fact Book shows Gaza as OCCUPIED territory along with the West Bank, despite the Disengagement. If Israel wants the control that occupier status confers, there are responsibilities.. If Israel wants out of those responsibilities, it must give up the controls of its occupier status, i.e, the siege and blockade. It MUST FREE GAZA, The formula is strikingly simple,

the whole world wants to get rid of Hamas

World should recognize Israeli sovereignty in territories. The people there are Israeli subjects and whatever happens there is an internal Israeli matter. Of course, that would make Israel de facto "Apartheid" regime ("Jewish Democracy").