Egypt FM: Arab League will declare Palestinian state if peace talks fail

go back from where u belong also ?. not asingle jew belong to this land. feel the heating. Dont tell me God i dont know him

go back from where u belong also ?. not asingle jew belong to this land. feel the heating. Dont tell me God i dont know him

Is Their American nation? they speak english and Briton speak english what a mess?

These people epitomize the Americans the Founding Fathers had in mind. They are surely all turning over in their graves seeing today's Socialist Obamaism. They got more "change" than they bargained for. Come November, the pendulum swings back. The teabaggers see things clearly, as opposed to the disease called Liberalism.

Well said.

UN has determined in resolution 242 that Israel cannot be forced to 1967 borders because they are not acceptable. No agreement between arabs and Israel can be obtained if arabs stick to the requirement of 1967 borders. Basic problem is that pals attacked against Israel and lost. Now arabs are requesting unconditional capitulation of Israel. It will not work. Obama is requesting 1967 borders, not UN. For Israel would be a lot easier to deal with UN than with Obama, who does not care even if Israel would be eliminated from the world.

Listen to the voices (not your own). Nobody on Earth believes anything coming out of Tel Aviv. As for killing, the Israelis have managed a 50-to-1 kill ratio for civilians, but only a 2-to-1 kill ratio for fighters.

But that was grossly expanded by the British at the expense of Saudi Arabia by Churchill with what is desert anyway. The maps I've seen show maximum claims of the Zionists to include a narrow strip on the East Bank of the Jordan. The original Transjordan existed because it was on the Jordan River.

'"Palestine", historically, includes Jordan"' - Anat Since when did "Palestine" include Jordan? Not before 1920 when the remains of the Ottoman Empire were divided in San Remo. And in 1922 Churcill already interpreted the Mandate for Palestine to separate "Trans-Jordan" and give it to the Hashemites. So "historically", "Palestine" included trans-Jordan for a very short time, much shorter than the time it Jordan was not included. Another question for our historian: What part of Jordan is Eretz Israel (where the 12 tribes dewelled)? Not a great part. AMon (where Amman is located) and Moab (on the eastern shore of the Dead Sea) were not part of Eretz Yisrael, so we are talking about the Jordan Valley east of the river. Now figure how big that was and do your "calculation" based on reality and not blind ideology.

It's also a big sand dune with no agriculture or water sources. Britain created it to protect their oil pipelines running from Persia and Iraq to the Haifa oil refinery. I recommend reading any histories by Benny Morris, David Fromkin, Martin Gilbert or Ephriam Karsh on the matter.

it is so easy to just spew old slogans. There is no need to even check if they have any factual truth. "Historic Palestine" does NOT include the East Bank (Jordan). The East Bank, as Trans-Jordan was NOT originally part of the British Mandate in Palestine. Years later, and simply as a matter of conveniance of governance was the territory of Jordan added to the existing goverment mechanisim.

For once it seems your right. Its never going to be viable ( 22% of mandate Palestine 5800km ), a growing population a shortage of recources like water, it has no real economy or assets. Israel will always be top dog. They are not even united on what they want .. some will accept 22% of mandate Palestine others want the lot. Going it alone in 2011 is just suicide for their cause because Israel will make life hell for them, fence off Jerusalem so they can't reach it from their state, revoke the work permits of thousands of palestinians, refuse any kind of road corridor through Israel so they can get between both parts of their state unless the fly so going from Gaza - their capital in Ramallah will be a big and expensive event they need to plan days in advance and its a journey many won't even have the money to take. Long term this state is never going to be truly viable and if they go it alone Israel will make life hell for the palestinians out of anger.

I seem to remember that Israelisi were pleased whern the UN GAVE them a state! Why, then, are they all up in arms about the "rats" and "roaches" whoi might be given the same. Maybe Israelis really think they can get all of Palestine, along with other delusions.

So what is the difference between your suggestion of throwing the Palestinians in the" desert" and those who claim to throw the Jews in the sea? Both wrong.... because they both lead to perpetual conflict.

But that land isn't theirs.

That's why Israel is all up in arms. Jeez.

The ideal solution from the start would have been rather than a palestinian state they are all given Jordanian citizenship. No oslo but the international community gives Jordan a huge pay off in exchange they agree to accept the palestinians. Israel annexes Judea & Samaria legally. Although they would not have a right to buy property just anywhere they want and neither they or their decendents would have Israeli citizenship and they are not entitled to permits to work in Israel they could continue to live in their homes with a permanent residency visa and can only be evicted for certain serious crimes. They have the option to go live in any part of Jordan and if they want to leave their current homes if they own their property the Israeli government would be obligated to buy them out. Jordan has a developed economy, a stable leadership, alot of land and has a peace treaty with Israel. If we had a situation like that from the start instead of oslo it would have created the ideal solution and very few people would have had their lives directly affected arab or jewish and it would have also given the arabs the option of moving to Jordan ( better than 5800km ). Israel would have kept the land, no issues over Jerusalem, no refugee, no settlement problems. The oslo formula has brought nothing but misery to all sides.

Who are they but Arabs adopting the name of being Palestinians, when ALL who lived under the Brtish Mandate were known as ;Palestinians' but had to revert back to their original identities whe Israel was e-established. Arabs became knwn authentically as Palestinian/ARABS. and not 'Palestinians'. It is a simple Lie.

YHWH set the borders of Israel--talk to Him about changing them. See if He is willing to do anything about them.

This is possibly the most accurate description of Israel that I have ever read. The tides are finally changing in the US, people of all identities are waking up to what Israel is doing, sadly overdue but hopefully not too late. Average Americans wont want to be associated with Israel once they fully see the path it is heading down.

There is a long history of nations redefining what is an acceptable population through forced removal. The Trail Of Tears is just one that comes to mind. Another example is the expulsion of ethnic Germans throughout eastern Europe following WW II. You live in a fantasy world to think that Israel's national needs are not just as legitimate as every other nation's.

"It would transfer 150,000 settlers to Israel overnight" That's a heinous crime. Unless it's an agreed solution of transfer of a minority in Israel as-well, in the spirit of avoiding bloodshed.

Under Obama's *Change*, America has become an Un-American Nation. The USA knows who to support, and it surely isn't the Islamo-liars who constantly terrorize throughout the World. Is that what you side with, Cummings??

It is firstly unclear thatsuch an offer was made. If it was, Netanyahu would be the first pm to miss a viable offer for peace from the palestinians. His leadership is painfully anemic and self centered

the final aim of Pal [Hamas+ Fathaj] is to exterminate the Jews.that's why the only way to end hostility is if we commit suicide.We are not ready for this solution.!!

Those who would sacrifice essential Liberty for security deserve neither.

..from totally different reasons, contrary, the land of Palestine, all of it, is ours and the Zionists are invadors. Hence, Not Abbas, nor Erekat nor , to that, all the PLO leadership can or has the right to give up one inch of our lands to the Zionists colonists. having that said, and whereas there can be n oreverse to prior the time of unjust & unfiar Balfore declaration, I propose on the colonists to accept a one state solution to solve this issue based on constitutional sharing of the power. No gimmics or "plans" of partitioning Palestine will ever result in any peace. McQeen, you are 100% right, we will not compromise. take it from me

there is no such thing as palestine or palestinians. the british already gave what belongs to the Jewish state to Jordan in 1922 and now the arabs want more- too bad, go to Jordan!

You should read the Washington Declarations and educate yourself. While you are at it , read the actual agreement. It refers to Palestinians and not in the context of Jordan taking in 4 million of them. Au Contraire--it specifically states that neither side is allowed to take measures that may significantly change the demographics of the other side. I belive they were referring to mass movement of populations. Go read it. It can be embarrassing if you venture outside your "den" and engage with real live folks who happen to recognise spin and hasbara when they hear it.

On May 14th 1948, Israel declared Sovereign Independence from the non-state entity of Palestine. What remains of the non-state of Palestine is still called Palestine. Jordan, which also declared Sovereign Independence from the non-state entity of Palestine in 1946 is also not apart of the non-state entity of Palestine.

I have to hand it to you, at least you are honest, not like you liar brethren. It is no problem, Ahmad, keep eating sand, you will get nothing. And if you attack and terrorize, Israel will blow your people away. You act like pit bulls

Nadav , and I bet you are one of the vocals that insist that the Arabs recognize Israel???

Then how do you justify allowing the abomination of Jordan to exist when it is the land of Israel?

how about that. all Israelis whose parents were not born in the lands of Palestine must leave.

PALESTINE is Jewish, the former Province of JUDAH renamed by the Romans 2000 years ago as 'Palestine', wherein Jesus a Jew was born in his hometown of Bethlehem. . BTW. where were the 'Palestinians' when Jesus a Jew was being crucified by the Romans in Calvary outside of Jerusalem? These Arabs are not mentioned in either the Bible, the Gospels or the Testaments. Where were the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians. then? Please answer.

That's because the Brits have based their empire on the Roman empire. The Brits used the Roman name for the are of Judea, Samaria, Lake Kinnerett, Jordan, etc. What's the matter with you people? Don't you ever read anything but your own posts? Try reading a little history for a change. That way you will know what you are condeming yourself to do again and again and again. Like you even care!

Either silly naivete or warped sense of values makes keeps you locked up in the pleasant aquarium you inhabit. The land is G~d's not yours..not theirs...He put us hear to lead moral lives..not to be possessive. Abraham knew that in order to maintain some semblance of norlmal existence he had to give Lot the offer to choose part of the land G-d promised him. Secular Nationalism and Religious fervor breed sacrilege. Even though my area is "agreed upon" by M. Abbas, I have alwasy prepared myself for the possibility that am here temporaritly. As it ssays in Levitiicus: We are strangers in the land.

Check your facts, fishy, the West Bank is occupied by Israel, but it has never pertained to it, not even according to Israel. That is occupied Palestinian land and it is only up to the Palestinians to give up or swap. Israel can give anything it wants behind the Green Line.

"Check your facts, fishy? What planet have you been living on there Froy boy? I think you'd be the one who needs to check your facts. FYI...the West Bank, as it is called was known as Judea and Samaria from our scriptures a few thousand years ago. Uhhh...that would be Jewish land, not Arabic lands. Ownership confirmed, point goes to Israel.

Hey -You too check the scriptures - the land was NOT SOLELY given to the Tribe of Juda, it was given to ALL 12 ISRAELITE TRIBES - and presentday Pals are to 85 or 95 % of Israelite origin. Jews and Pals have to face these evolving facts and the science pertaining to it !

And Israel was Palestine. Been asleep for a long, long time, Cony? The world has moved on whilst you've been away.

I lived there up till 1965 we were Jordanians

Does that mean that Israel doesn't exist?

A little history lesson Gaza is Egypt...West Bank Jordan ask the King of Jordan and Israel well the historical facts known today that Abraham 2,052 BCE Hebrew Isaac 1,952 BCE Jacob Israel 1892 BCE Israelites Judah Son of Israel Judeans So, the Jews lived in what is known as Israel for approximately 3900 years. That's a longgggg time ago

No.

Rulers came and wnet ( Greeks , babylonians , Turks, British , Jordanians and now Israelis.The West Bank people are still the same .Cony , don't you think that they deserve to have a say on their own destiny??? You are demanding that for Israelis , but why not also for those people named the Palestinians? Or are they not worthy of freedoms and even maybe not human enough for you?

The east bank of the Jordan river is Israels all the way up to Amman and continuing due north all the way up to the level of the Golan Heights. Send the arabs packing!

israel's land is all land within 1967 borders. the rest of its "land" is based on fairy tales from the bible and not international law. period.

What remains of the non-state entity of Palestine is defined by the SOVEREIGN BOUNDARIES of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Israel.

Learn the facts before you hit the keyboard.

If by fairy tales you mean the mandate system that set up the borders for the Jewish state, along with those of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, then yes maybe we should also reconsider those countries existing. Read a book.

those countires did not exist on the ruins of another people demisem such Israel did. one more thing, those nations are homegrown/indiginous, unlike the Eueopean Jewish imports. go it?

They should thank us for letting them stay there. The Arabs are foreign invaders, and do not belong in the Holy Land at all.

You are an illegal settler and teach your children to hate and murder Palestinians on their own lands. Your days are numbered fella---even most Israelis are tired financing you layabout religious fanatics. Go back to noo yoirk.

funny, the only ones i see on the news teaching hate are the arabs and the Muslims! open a text book anywhere in the arab world and you'll see horrible hate speech against Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, gay people, women and of course the Jews. the only ones teaching hate are the Arabs and Muslims!

Don't make me laugh. Do you think there was a UN? Do you think the Romans cared??? You are really pathetic if you think this way. The Torah. For sure the Pals didn't exist. Neither did the Muslims.

Everything beyond that line was **never** allocated to Israel by **anyone** i.e. everything beyond the 1947 partition plan lines was siezed by Israel at the point of a gun. It isn't possible to annex territory by force of arms, and so the legal borders of "Israel" - even today - ends at the partition plan lines. Abbas is offering to recognize Israel on the 1967 Green Line, and that is an offer of astonishing generousity BY THE PALESTINIANS, and it is a mind-boggling display of naked greed by Israel that is insists on more, more, more, more.

and did so on the borders based on the 1947 partition plan. Nothing to do with cease fire lines. In any event the war did not start until after Israel declared the State. As to teaching hate, might I suggest you google "Hate being taught in the yishuvas". Or how anout checking the video on U-tube depicting young Jewish girls writing "Love messages " on bombs on their way to kill Lebanses children. You apologists suffer from self imposed myopia and it,s killing you. Better wake up.

When you get a brain and realize that the Hebrews were the indiginous people of Israel or if you prefer Palestine...then we can discuss. Till then you continue to be unaware of reality.

I sugest you read"Murder In The Name Of God"by two Israelis.It exposes the hate taught by the extremists,terrorists,ulta orthodox jews and their own terrorist who murdered Rabin.

Where have you been living all your life, eh? History is very accurate. All of the land belongs to Israel, not one inch to anyone else, even though there are troubled inhabitants that have continually been present...read that as Arabs. Ownership goes to Israel and only Israel, no one else, and for no other reason than because God said so. You want land? Go back to Jordan and take it from the Hashemites. That's enough...case closed, class dismissed.

You got your facts twisted up. Palestinians are the squatters, Israel owns it all...hook, line, sinker...every square inch of it...and then some. If you want a nation, you've already got one. It's called Jordan, go back and take it from the Hashemites. That's your home.

It's your kind of distorted thinking that is taking Israel, I am sorry to say, to an early grave.

Teaching formally, yes. Teaching through through behavior-explicit or implicit-- and household remarks that convey negative attitudes towards other people--I see it every day amongst Jews here in Israel. Sorry Nadav.

Nadav is correct. Nadav is VERY correct. The borders of israel are NOT the 1949 armistice lines. The borders of israel are those that israel itself setforth in it's Declaration of Independence (May 14th, 1948. There, in isreal's own hand we find the only legal borders of isreal. It is those borders specifically declared AND recognized by the rest of the worl that are the only true, legitimate, legal and recognized borders. Oh, and by the way, to save you the trouble of reading that declaration, it states that the borders are those as prescribed by the UN. Without Jerusalem (corpus separatum) and without Jaffa or the Negev.

What are you going to do in a court of law, when the day comes for you to be kicked out? Plead insanity - and state God gave you the land? The only thing you'll get free is a straitjacket.

Johnboy, This this would be true if Israel had started the wars and got the land by force of arms But , we (as well as you) know started the wars... Therefore the illegality of the post 47 Israel is not rellevant. The 1967 conquered (Here, you may say siezed by Israel at the point of a gun) territories problem is different. If you understand the first point, you might understand the second.