"Those who say that the two-state solution is dead are not serving the interests of peace and certainly not serving the interests of Israel and the Palestinians," says former top White House adviser and peace negotiator Dennis Ross.
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as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is the main cause of Islamic radicalism and terrorism in the World. Everyone's been saying that for years. We should start sending security bills to Tel-Aviv.
No Two State then it becomes One State. If it becomes One State then the jewish State of Israel ends there. The World rejects Apartheid...full stop.
“The dream has got to be our living together in peace”. If so ,then let it be One State Solution with equal rights.
So, not a one-state solution? Seems a no-brainer to me, and others. How about a two-state solution? Seemed a good Balfour solution to me, and others, but its time has run out, only its shadow is in play because nothing else is in play. Third way? When there are 5.9 million Israelis, 6.1 million Palestinians in Greater Israel and about 380 million Arabs close by not to mention about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world, it seems to me there are many third ways but few of Israel's choosing. So the game to play with pen and paper is the Third Way game. Chose any one you like but do include the consequences of your choice.
Given the depth of animosity and years of anti-Israeli propaganda that has gone on, it would take someone without a brain to believe that a one state solution would do anything except create another Lebanon or Syria.
yes it is dead and Sharon gave theDeath sentence by ordering fanatic youth to grab lands in the W.Bank.Now the only solution is israel has to swallow Palestinians and give them israeli citizenship with equal rights.
Imagine Judea and Samaria under complete Palestinian rule. Diseaster !
Should the palestinians say thank you to Sharon for turning over what he stole from them ? Gaza is 1% of Palestine. Not a concession, not a Xmas present. The WB is palestinian land as well with a large palestinian majority. The disaster comes from occupation. Are settlers ready to get palestinian citizenship, learn Arabic and comply to palestinian rules ? if the answer is no they can pack their things and leave. Bye bye
Hilarious
the land of Palestine, Jordan, Samaria etc was given to the Jews by Almighty God. Check out the covenant God gave to Abraham and his descendants for ever. Let the Arabs go back to Egypt who kicked them out
And, all say something different.
Bigotry at its best.
Any real Palestinian acceptance of a "Two State Solution" would only be their first step to get their foot and Kalashnikov into the door of a more vulnerable Israel and then unleash an unreal rejection of this compromise.
diplomacy in exchange for the Green Line border. Israel refused to discuss it. That offer is sti on the table after a decade. Israel killed the two-state, so she's getting the one-state.
API is not a starting point to be discussed, but an Arab diktate in which Israel had to accept refugees into its territory. Face it that this initiative in its current form is not workable.
she signed the 4th Geneva Convention. That is a KEY provision of the 4th GP.
History has shown that the two peoples cannot live together and need to be separated. The unilateral Israeli trasfers and withdrawals cannot work. What would work is population trasfers to mutually agreable land swaps. Israel agrees to this formulation while Palestinians do not. On top of that even if the Palestinians agreed to that in prinicpal they could no adhere to this for a long time since now tow generations of Palestinians have been raised believing that that israel will eventually be overcome and surplanted. So you can call it anything you like but it it ain't gong to happen any time in our life times.
Settlements makes the W.Bank looks like a Swiss Cheese full of holes. Settlements which are spread all over the West Bank making it impossible to the Palestinians to have their own State.
work in the same venues, attend the same schools, and join the same social organizations. The difference is that in the US, squatting for land posession is illegal, as are crimes based on religious/ethnic/or gender hate.
What it will be CALLED will depend on the voting majority.
There never was a chance for a 'two state' solution, it remains a figment of dull non knowing non realistic loser's imaginations.
calling for police and courts enforcement of the law!!-
communities. Reclaim every inch ! Do it now !
1ST OUT is BO, 2NDd OUT is BiBi, TURD OUT is ABBASS, because: AT WAR: in US another Chief, in Israel another General, in PA another Palestinian: the Jews in Hebron also know that Abbas isn't staying with Israel at war at End of Times in case there isn't even an End of Tim'es.
why should abbas stay with Israel in times of war?
By joining Israel Beiteinu BiBi in fact turns his back on Likud by forcing Likud voters out of Likud and thus Likud will LOSE TERRIBLY IN such 2013 electionss: Kadima will gain a vast MAJORIT@Y and Habeyit too Hayehudi in another Coalition in Israel: Likud needs HH, not viceversa.
its lies no peace why do finished warm???
Even the word "Israel" means to "Wrest." Maybe he can join obama on the flight home to chicago and sip some beers and cry a lot?
you wished darling
Bibi's the ones Heading Israel into WAR as he isn't the one who will be Leading Israel: IN WAR Israel Jew shall have General Shaul Mofaz as Israeli PM and in2WAR Israeli can know GOD OF ISRAEL: or NOT AT A L L: Likud joining Israel Beitenu will result in too many Likudnix gone .
Soon Dennis Ross nor BiBi Netanyahu will be there as General Mofaz Going4Coallission: Likud and Israel Beietnu will be gone in Opposition. Kadima under GN Mofaz and Habeyit Hayehudi and Shas and Chabad Jewish: under GN Mofaz you'll have AAA WAR HEAD CABINET under UTJ
did Gaza teach us anything
Yes it should have taught us that if we continue to hold a land under siege, deny a people their right to self determination, crush their economy and kill their civilians then they will continue to throw home made rockets over the wall.
The WB is the choicer prize.
Dennis Ross maintains: "nobody has spent more of his life trying to see if a two-state solution is possible" and says: "Those who say that the two-state solution is dead are not serving the interests of peace and certainly not serving the interests of Israel and the Palestinians." Dennis, how exactly are you serving our interests?
Just as well, there will never be a pal state and with Jews like this one, we see why. Quitter who will always be wrong.
dennis ross is american why should he serve israeli interests? another pollard?
How ignorant you are of Israel,s history! The land of Israel belongs and will always belong to the Jewish people. There are no people called Palestinians, they are Arabs and Egyptians. The land was given by Almighty God to the descendants of Abraham ans his son Isaac and their offspring for all time. God has a serious warning to any nation who tries to divide His land " As you have done to My people(Jews) I wil surely do to you.Pharoe killed all the Jewish babies, God destoyed their firstborn along with their armies!! Think about that! God,s timepiece for the world is Israel. Slaom my Jewish brothers and sisters, your God is with you
your message was such an enlightment !!!! thanks,
ÆND: Erin Croes is sister of Paul Croes and which one is now the Jew BECAUSE Croes Erin not full sister of A Pa'ul Croes: Erin the Jew OR Paul the Jew: you rathere have Erin Croes or Paul Croes as your Jew? BECAUSE Croes Erin had a Mom like Sarah Netanyahu, and Paul not!
JET@A@(AN){OTHER} DEADLOCK: only if BO stays BiBi stays while ABBASS: ABBASS just going2stay if same tattement about settlement ONgoing: thus one hangs on BO while the other hangs on him hanging ON BO: ON MR it will a totally different set of all Hanging on@Hanging ON
other. Palestinians cannot live in peach with each other , much less with Jews. As to Iran, Obama is desperate and grasping at straws as he sees the election slipping from his grasp.
Israel can't live as an Onion any more...it's layers are peeling away and the world sees the deceit for what it is.
Kids can't go to school in Beer Sheva. Does Ross understand this message? Is he still capable of it at all or his imerial brains rusted to the bone.
What's ongoing is occupation, not the rockets. 45 years of occupation, humiliation, destruction and frustration...does that ring a bell ? of course not, you have no idea.
You sure do ring a bell.
Who cares about Masada my friend ? stick to your stories, legend and myths, i could not care less. Now anything you want to say about the 45 year occupation ? i bet you don't.
Another politician with nothing to say. !!Rosh only wants his name in the press.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein
Usrael, Egypt, Palestine! Like it was before.
because why hasn't this particular Israeli government initiated a proposal to the PA of borders or stopped construction of West Bank settlements? A Bar Ilan University speech and freezing construction in the West Bank, does not convey an iota of progress. Both Israeli governments led by the Labour party and Kadima party initiated peace plans. The Arab League has also initiated a peace plan in 2002 with most of the principles giving Israel a resounding acceptance with the issue of refugees being the most contentious of all. Iran also signed onto this declaration for peace. The excuses about the other side's unreadiness, genuine interest in peace or not moderate enough is simply a stalling tactic. I think the Israeli electorate will take much of this negligence into consideration for the next election in 2013.
Whether you are in the USA, Israel, or any other part of the world with a "democratically elected" representative government, some things you can always count on are the stupidity and apathy of the electorate, and it's predisposition to be easily manipulated.
Bibi and the Right have exploited the Israeli public's fears and unfortunate racism toward the Palestinians, to the extent that the public does not even remember how a responsible government behaves. All prior diplomatic initiatives are viewed cynically and the blame is conveniently passed to the other side without sufficient self-examination. Bibi has neither the courage nor the will to negotiate in good faith with the Palestinians. What Bibi is good at, is spinning his version of events and instilling unwarranted fear. This is what has kept him in power. Sadly, it doesn't appear things will change this time around.
He made a fool of himself. He flopped.
The serious threat of a one-state solution is the only manner to force Israel to act for peace and let go of their oppressive occupation. If that threat does not deter Israel from continuing the occupation, settlements, land grab, and economic strangulation of the Palestinians, then Israel must be forced to accept the Palestinians as part of the nation of Israel. Enough said.
In other words, they cannot be fully Jewish IF Arab or Palestinian citizens have equal rights. Therefore the one-state solution cannot be implemented with any hope of success. I don't fault Israel or Jews for this characteristic, I simply recognize it as a fact and suggest we pursue solutions that afford a preservation of this characteristic. The two-state solution is THE ONLY WAY.
elements in her society has possibly rendered the two-state solution null and void. Further, if Israel cannot grant her Arab citizens equal rights, than she will ultimately become an international pariah. It may take a few decades, but eventually Israel's Arab citizens will forcefully demand their rights and the international community will no longer be able to deny the Israeli government's official discrimination against her own "citizens".
The Two-State, or One-State peace solution cannot be implemented in the current racist, anti-anything-non-jewish Israeli thought and policies! Israel has got to choose: Either a TWO-STATE peace with the Palestinians as the rest of the world sees it, or a ONE-STATE peace as Israel views it! Again, enough said!
Two states would be great. but Israel destroyed that opportunity. She will get one state.
You can talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk.
This derisive nick-name was earned through his rather partisan involvement in previous peace negotiations that failed.
Ross is fanatic Zionist Jew, and always worked for Israel, even though was the employee of US governmrnt. This traitor unethically protected Israeli interest rather than American interest. He is bonafide traitor.
Anyone looking for insight on the Middle East would be better off consulting a brick wall than Ross, whose approach to peace making (i.e. shamelessly catering to Israeli wishes) has proven itself utterly and completely bankrupt.
Underlying his reasoning is that the Palestinians should not go to the UN but should rather return to the table, happy with whatever “diplomatic initiatives” that Israel choses to take in order to “dispel notions” that it is not interested in the peace. He does not mention if settlement expansion should be part of this initiative. But he mentions that such an initiative would help “in the campaign against Israel’s delegitimization.” So it is the international theater that he is interested in. In short he wants the negotiations to drag on until Israel grabs enough land to reduce Palestine to a few unconnected urban centers. But it is true that the 2-state will soon enough get a new wind, though not because of what Ross thinks. To forestall the collapse of Fath and the PA, Israel will have to improve the economic and social situation of the WB Palestinians to a point which would be impossible without integrating them into the Israeli economy, and that would be a one state to all practical pruposes. Ordinary Israelis do not seem to grasp the consequences of what their government is doing. They think that the Palestinian economy can be improved and at the same time remain separate. They will change their minds when they start competing with Palestinians for jobs. An advanced economy living next to an inexhaustible pool of cheap labor. That should be an interesting experience. It will be interesting to see how long it would take the Israelis to wake up, smell the coffee, and beg for separation.
Does anyone believe this broken record already?
If JORDAN IS PALESTINE there is no need of a two-state solution. This contradiction is a perfect example of the disingenuous Zionist argument against credible peace negotiations.
No the palestinians are under occupation and witness their land being stolen everyday. On the other hand israelis seem to love that situations don't they ? well Israel will have to deal with millions of palestinians. Good luck with that.
for ten years. They also drafted a Constitution. Where is Israel's proposal?
The interrogator should have asked for concrete examples. The Economist once famously quipped that Ross was the chief negotiator for Israel.
If it is anathema to him to ignore the demographic reality, why did he work so hard to obstruct the peaceful talks during his tenure under the last three administrations? Why did he pressure Obama to veto the Palestinian resolution condemning the settlement expansion? Clinton wanted to abstain but Ross talked over her head and practically intimidated Obama to agree to a veto.
Ross is useful, as such. Trust men, within ten years or less, he'll be shuffled out.
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