Clinton: Arab momentum building for two-state solution
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says that those who doubt the prospects for success of Israel-Palestinian peace talks are 'wrong'.
By DPA and Natasha MozgovayaU.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday dismissed doubts over the success of Middle East peace talks, saying skeptics were "wrong" and that negotiations had gained momentum with backing from Arab states willing to accept a two-state solution.
"There's a certain momentum," she said. "You know, we have some challenges in the early going that we have to get over, but I think that we have a real shot here."
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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Washington on May 18, 2010. |
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But Clinton also warned the direct talks launched between the Israelis and Palestinians could be the last chance to secure a peace settlement in the long-running conflict.
"Both sides and both leaders recognize that there may not ever be another chance," Clinton said at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
Clinton hosted Netanyahu and Abbas at the State Department last week for the first direct negotiations between the two sides in nearly two years. She plans to attend a second round of talks on September 14 and 15 in Egypt.
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Little wonder Bibi hadn't been discussing with his political fellows....
I wouldnt take her statement to seriously she and Billy have lived in denial most of their lives.
Why jewish State? An ideology centered on the creation of a state for a specific ethnic group (or groups, in the case of the Jews) has no place in the modern world. A "state for Jews" is no better than a "state for white folks." The result will always be the same.
israelis look like spoiled children who need from time to time a lesson from their dad!
No israel, No Palestine. One State Solution is the best for all. One Man, One Vote, Equality for all inhabitants. Equal Pay for Equal Work, Equal Water Rights. No Apartheid, No Segregation...A Very True Secular Democrac Let us call it: “State of Holy Land”.
The Saudi/Arab League offer has been on the table so long it is not just stale, it is petrified. There is only one nation capable of permitting a 2-state solution and that is Israel. No amount of cheer leading and boosterism from an administration which has totally discredited itself in the region is going to influence anything. If Netanyahu wants to make peace more than he wants to stay PM, then he will. Otherwise, no 2-State Solution.
The word "occupation" has been used for many years now to describe the rule of Israel in Judea and Samaria (known as the "West Bank") and the Gaza district which Israel took from the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and from Egypt respectively in the course of the Six Day War in 1967. In the distorted language of the media and of politicians, both in Israel and in most parts of the world, these two territories are described as "the occupied Palestinian territories" as if Israel occupied a country called "Palestine" in 1967 and took Palestinian lands. Sadly, very few of the media consumers in the West and the East are aware of the lie behind the usage of these terms. First, let us review the simple facts about this "occupation." Israel took the "West Bank" from Jordan and not from a non-existent "Palestinian" entity; and occupied Gaza that was held by Egypt. Both countries had occupied these territories during the Arab-Israeli war of 1948 and had ruled them illegally. The Jordanians even annexed territory to the west of the Jordan and called it "The West Bank." Egypt established its administration in Gaza. Both these areas were, therefore, in Arab hands for 19 years, but nobody, during these years of Jordanian and Egyptian occupation, even thought about the establishment of a Palestinian State in them, although such a state could have been established easily and recognized, even by Israel.
There is always 'momentum' going down hill and these talks are going down hill fast. Mrs. Clinton must be watching the whole charade while standing on her head with rose colored glasses on. Either that or she is just plain crazy. Is there a physician in the house? Somebody please help her !
With the Saudi peace initiative, 'the Arab states' -- and the PLO, and most everyone else -- has been on record as willing to accept the two-state solution for nearly a decade now. It is Israel that is the roadblock -- and will remain the roadblock until we TELL her what she is going to sign, and where, and when the checks will start coming again as a result.
Lets say each side gets their own state to live in. To the american eyes this means both sides get sovereignty but Israel wants to claim mineral rights in the state of palestine and still wants the legal right to build in the palestinians state..... which is a violation again of international laws.
They are right untill proven wrong ... ball in your court
and war is the only way we get our freedom
no peace if no palestine
Israel is the only nation which can decide to have a 2 state solution.
The only reason Hillary was allowed involvement in the present peace process is that Obama believes it is better for him not to get too involved publicly for fear of failure, which is considerable because of Netanyahu's traditional hardline positions. Indeed, it looks strange to see the picture of Hillary between Abbas and Betanyahu in the Washington meeting; it is against protocol. The "summit" is between two heads of government, so President Obama was the expected host, not his Foreign Minister. Hillary herselves has no experience in such peace negotiations, and no particular knowledge of the Middle East. I think she has gotten too excited about her new role as a cover, behind which the real work was done (by Obama and Mitchell) the day before. Her predictions of "Last chance" etc carry no weight and no authority.
Only when Israel is on the West Bank and Jordan/Palestine is on the East Bank where there will be a chance for peace. That is the only, true two state solution that was was intended and is viable.
Israel has been the country denying the Palestinians a state. Why does Hillary lie to cover for Israel? How honest is she as a broker for peace?
Bill said that he 'didn't inhale'. There is no doubt that Hillary has been inhaling something. She is even more delusional than when she blamed a ' vast Right Wing conspiracy for Bills sexual misconducts. How could a woman so delusional ever be President. She is as bad as Obama and much more ruthless concerning her political ambitions.
clinton is wrong as long as the arab nations and islamic community refuse to accept the fact that Israel is a jewish state there will be no peace. and a two state solution is only a step in the arab and muslim goal of the erradication of Israel and the jews. she is a fool if she truely believes that the palestinians want peace on any terms other than their own. if her so called two state solution happens is she going to stand between the palesatinians and Israel to defend Israel. there is no way that the palestinians will leave Israel in peace. pretty words are no guarrantee of security and Israel can not accept any treaty without a guarrantee of security. you all make it sound like it is big bad Israel that is causing all the problems in the middle east. who is doing all the suicide bombing, an dyou think it is going to stop just because of a piece of paper. the palestinians will continue as before but will say it is not us it is hamas or hezzbollah or any of a hundred other factions of islam. just because hillary is blind does not mean the rest of us are, and that is giving her the bennefit of the doubt because i don't really think she is blind but a fool.
This peace talk between Palestinians and Israel will be successful only if Arabs and Palestininans as a whole or their elites accepts Israel as a Jewish State of Israel. Also, Palestinians and Arabs must allow settlements to be in Israel. Jerusalem will not be divided, unless, if the holy areas are under international community supervised by Israeli government. Palestinian State must be demilitarized so as to ensure Israeli security. Israel must be known as the Jewish State of Israel, and Palestinian State as the Arabs Palestinian State or the Palestinian State of Arabs. There must be formal agreement between future Palestinian State, Israel and America including United Nations stating that 'Palestinians and Arabs will never in the history of mankind claim any part of Israel now and in future, also, Palestinians and Arabs will never commit, support, attack or commission an act of terrorism in the name of freedom fighting against the Jewish State of Israel'. At the same time, Israel will never attack, occupy, invade or kill Palestinians, unless, if Israel is under attack, as Israel must defend itself if she is under attack'.
the problem is not the leaders themselves, Netanyahu and Abbas, but those who are 'chirping' over their shoulders... often hoarse and contentious 'chirping'...
That will be Hillary and the whole Obama administration who will be confirmed as "delusional" just like those before her ,unless they persuade Netanyahu to give up the state
Hillary is putting on a dog and phony show. Can you guess just who is the dog and the phony? Never say 'never' Hillary. She is always melodramatic. Remember her 'braving' sniper fire coming into Kosovo? That was phony also. Remember her saying ' It is a vast Right Wing conspiracy' ? She knew exactly what Bill was up to. Hillary will do anything to become President of the U.S. She is a ruthless and unprinciplwoman ! About the only thing she will not do is bow ,grovel and apologize like Obama did to the Saudi King. That's enough to make any American sick at his or her stomach.
it is very early to say who is right or who is wrong? let time will tell you. I am sure nothing gonna come out from any meeting. they are not more than a photo opportunity for mahmood abbas. when things will be serious and come to near to conclusion it will be back track as usual so negotiation can be start fresh once again. That is the past track.
After this also fails and Obama loses the next election, both will have the rest of their lives to ponder all their failures. Ms. Clinton tops the hate list of politicians in America, right under Obama. Obama and Ms. Clinton will be remembered by everyone as those who tried to strong arm Israel into submission for they are sponsored by Arab's oil and anti semitism. She should learn to make her wondering faithless hubby happy. As a politician, she's another flop, just another resuscitated loser.
I'm glad the founder of the Ba'hai religion forbade his followers from living in Isreal. Another, fourth. religion fighting for territory in the same tiny space, can you imagine?!
I doubt it. There will be another one....when you will be president!
For the Israelis and Palestinians, who have for so long hoped for peace, doubt is a natural feeling. To say that those who feel doubtful are "wrong" is rediculously uninformed. For the Secretary of State to speak so ignorantly makes me even more doubtful that there will be a peace settlement
Nice move by Hillary. Put the onus on the Palestinians to capitulate in a peace deal where Israel gets to keep all the illegal settlements, and the Palestinians get a state comprised of disparate communities, policed by Israel. For sure the Islamic world will love that solution, and no doubt the Taliban and Al-Qaeda will reciprocate in kind..
.... and get their food, electricity, clothes, etc,...from donors, most of the time begging for it....In their history books it will look laughable.
oh, wait, that would only put a lot of pressure on Israel, and not much on the PA. How about an arms and trade embargo being imposed. Oops, there's that differential again, maybe someone else has some suggestions...
52% of Gaza are Israeli refugees per UN, who main goal is to return, with many of the other 48% wanting them gone, so what do they gain in current peace deal. For Israeli Setters the only land available in Israel is in the southern desert, with few jobs and little water. So W. Bank only option to keep their customs and life style, for others its the zionist dream to see all the Holy Land united under one Jewish state for first time since Solomon, about 3000yrs ago.
Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, May 15, 1948 “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”
Suggestion: Stop the outsider meddling in Israel's affairs and let Israel reclaim her own territory from the arab trespassers.
seems like the only option
The British Mandate stated Jewish right of return and Jewish Homeland but nothing shall be done that would limit the rights of non-Jews living there. The problem was it did not include any land, they had to buy it, at high prices but only a small percentage was for sale.
In fact Israel even sells land not within it's actual sovereign territories.
What has Abbas & other PA leaders done to stop the incitement over the years besides not even talk about it? Your children are nursed on hatted and revisionism and turn out to be incapable of building a State in peace alongside Israel. Be honest with yourself and us! This is the wrong forum to practice your taqqiyeh!
Perhaps you have a very large blind spot!>!
and using them to build their own structures, putting a lid on the box of building materials for years at a time, and slicing up the space to build on into smaller and smaller fragments.
Without conflict no more handouts to PA No more national goals,, (building economy is the LAST thing PA wants or CAN) All energy funneled agains Israel now will produce an internal explosion. Every reason for Arabs to perpetuate a cold war, no reason to put an end to a conflict
Just take a look at reaction of respective parties on anti-Muslim and anti-other religions events. Hamas killed 4 innocent civilians execution style - no reaction in the world. A whacko with only 40 followers decided to burn Koran - Egyptian Muslims are ready to throw out US convoy, G-d knows how many Americans will be killed because of that. Why oh why people who supposedly preach tolerance do not practice it themselves???
Will she, Bibi, and eveyone else that had anything to do with these talks resign if they fail and war breaks out.? Are rockects from Gaza encouraging? Is "no" to Jewish state sounding like momentum? Obama is a one termer, soon he will be history.
So, when settlement expansion renders a 2 state solution impossible, if it has not already done so, what happens? Settlers continue to force Palestinians into ever less land with increasing Arab resentment and opposition? Israel clearly cannot annex the land so long as there are Millions of Palestinians within Judea and Samaria, so? Those who want no peace and demand that the settlers by encroachment be allowed to take all of Judea and Samaria must confront what their desires must ultimately cause. What will the Israeli right use as it's final solution to the Palestinian Problem? Few wish to confront the inevitable destination they are forcing upon Israel as well as the Palestinians.
What's the alternative? I reckon Bibi's just stringing it out while waiting for an excuse to kick off the Final Confrontation with Iran, a war that could give the Zionists what they really want; an excuse to take over the West Bank fully and, at the same time, allow them to take the Gaza Strip and south Lebanon up to the Litani River. Voila! Instant Greater Israel!
Wake up Damian. Not so lng ago Israel was in control of the West bank, Gaza and South Lebanon. Did they proclaim a "Greater Israel" No the brought the PLO back to the West bank in 1994. They left South Lebanon and evacuated all the settlers from Gaza. So much for your Islami Propaganda of a Gretaer Israel.Do you know what the "Zionists" want. We want a two state solution to live in peace without neighbors and just be left alone. Thats all we have eve wanted. No suicide bombers, no rockets, no more terrorism and no more wars. Simple isnt it.
We've been hearing that for two decades now. Another false threat. You can't force peace. When the PLO is ready for peace, there will be peace. Until then, Israel should just stay strong.
was "passed" through peoples and the worlds minds. it changed views. there is a dynamic in everything, also in this... the last chance, imo, means, that otherwise the area will be forced into a solution. end off. i dont think, with this "last chance" hillary meant, then things will stay as they are... and back to the minds: maybe - when now talks fail - the people will stand up: and this time, against their own leaders. not only the world, also the palestinians and israelis feel "enough is enough, put an end to it". ..and at the same time see the realistic chance, and ways, to do so... those leaders, who foil the plot now, will have an uprising in their country, "supported" by the whole world. there is the "last chance" for bibi and abbas. for israel and palestine, to make an agreement. otherwise the lid will BE PUT on the box...
Because I discovered that I must be the 'moshiach' but I don't know if I am Jewish (yet) etc
If there is peace it will be temporary at best. REASON: Islam is a world view that demands an unrelenting world conquest. In the world of Islam, there are two spheres or "worlds"... the world of peace and the world of war. The world of peace is that geographic territory under Islamic domination. Allegedly this is the Middle East. The world of war is those parts of the world that are yet to be conquered. (Including Europe and the Americas). Smack dab in the middle of the "world of peace" is a Jewish state. To Islam this is tantamount to having the thorn of a rose stuck in one's finger. No matter how small the thorn may be, it must be removed! This is why Arab negotiators will never allow Israel self-identity as an independent Jewish state. This push by the entities of Islam to remove Israel will, therefore, remain relentless and persistent. It will continue until one of three things happens... Islam is proven to be a false religion, all the Jews in the world either convert to Islam and/or commit suicide (which will not happen) or Messiah comes. Personally I lean towards the latter alternative, however, I believe that it will be more accurately "Messiah Returns" but I'll let you make that decision for yourself. Orthodox Quranic Islam will not give you that freedom of choice.
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all these people who say islam is bent on world conquest are themselves religious kooks with zero credibility. i'm to take seriously the jeremiads of a man who believes a "messiah" (his personal favorite: jesus) will come to earth?? YOU ARE AN IMPEDIMENT TO THE ADVANCEMENT OF ALL PEOPLES
If the latest effort , could be the last chance for Mideast peace ! What is going to happen next ? Does America will recognize Israel as a Jewish State , from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan R
very very good i hope this is it please
It seems likely that she has the best available information. Israel's position in the world has declined drastically in the last decade. She may be saying to Netanyahu "you can either come to an agreement with Abbas here, over champagne and caviar or you may beg for peace in the desert in 5 years over camel piss and fried scorpions".
Wonder about these comments. She spoke about the role of the USA in the world according her Gospel, which is passe since long and is her wishful thinking (maybe). It is easy to put pressure on Israel to achieve the first success: for this she will do anything because her boss said so. There is only a 3 states solution or no solution at all, who knows. Important is that Israel knows what it really wants. What the USA wants is clear: get away with murder and sell it as a friendly act. Happy New Year.
its already over as the pals are confused as to what no preconditions means !! they wont recognise the status of the negotiating partnr !
A wishful thinking and a comedy of GREAT ERRORS She(billari) aught to have remembered her hubby's TRIED AND FAILED fiasco with Arafat..How many times will it take these meddlers TO GET TO GRIPS and see the reality on the ground? And if i may:The word "occupation" has been used for many years now to describe the rule of Israel in Judea and Samaria (known as the "West Bank") and the Gaza district which Israel took from the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and from Egypt respectively in the course of the Six Day War in 1967. In the distorted language of the media and of politicians, both in Israel and in most parts of the world, these two territories are described as "the occupied Palestinian territories" as if Israel occupied a country called "Palestine" in 1967 and took Palestinian lands. Sadly, very few of the media consumers in the West and the East are aware of the lie behind the usage of these terms. First, let us review the simple facts about this "occupation." Israel took the "West Bank" from Jordan and not from a non-existent "Palestinian" entity; and occupied Gaza that was held by Egypt. Both countries had occupied these territories during the Arab-Israeli war of 1948 and had ruled them illegally. The Jordanians even annexed territory to the west of the Jordan and called it "The West Bank." Egypt established its administration in Gaza. Both these areas were, therefore, in Arab hands for 19 years, but nobody, during these years of Jordanian and Egyptian occupation, even thought about the establishment of a Palestinian State in them, although such a state could have been established easily and recognized, even by Israel.
When one looks back, it is clearly seen that the greater the "friendship" of a US President to Israel (meaning that he applies less pressure on Israel to pursue peace), the less is accomplished. Our greatest "friends" were Clinton and G. Dubya Bush. Clinton did everything Barak asked him to do, including in Camp David. The result: no peace, only Intifada II. Dubya Bush came up with the Roadmap, a plan but no pressure on Israel. Nothing useful resulted. Looking back at the "bad" presidents, Nixon helped Israel with military equipment in Yom Kippur, but then prevented Israel from vanquishing the Egyptian Third Army. He preserved Egypt's honor, and peace became possible. Carter was even insulting in his pressure on Begin. But he ended up god-fathering the Peace Agreement with Sadat. Papa Bush was publicly pushing Shamir, even causing his regime to fall, This resulted in the Madrid Conference which led to Oslo. Obama seems to be made of different stuff. He aspires to do what is "right", more than what political considerations dictate, as he did with healthcare. If the Likud brings upon us an imposed international solution, so be it. The cure will be better than the continuation of the present diseased situation.
Your rambling continues on presurring Israel only. Are there not two parties in this conflict?
Surely it's pretty clear that it's Israel that needs to be pressured if an equitable and just solution is arrived at? There is and must continue to be considerable doubt that the state of Israel is interested in such an outcome.
I feel like making some extrapolations based on recent observations about the future survival of the Human Race. Big danger in the near future of an Extinction Level Event taking place in the next 10 to 20 years. It's the offshore drilling in particular, taking place in the ocean off of Brazil. The depth is 50 miles. Oil spills occur from time to time. If such an event such as the BP disaster were to take place alongside the coast of Brazil, I'm not sure if the chemical dispersants wouldn't go up into the upper atmosphere and become a corrosive rain that could destroy the Amazon Rainforest. If that happens there, and all over the World, we Humans could find ourselves in a World devoid of oxygen. Maybe this is a warning from the future? I'm not sure. They talk to me only in cryptic messages that are not that easy to decipher. This is my best guess at what they've been telling me lately. Check all the prophecy links for others on the internet that claim they know something. 99% of them are nothing but hogwashes and a bunch of gobbledy-goops. I only write on this site. Some of my links, here on this site have already been seemingly blocked. Why? Probably because I am good at this. Peace!
they don't talk to me, or I am hard of hearing. until that changes, I'll just do my best to improve others' lives without meddling too much, and pay my bills. I think you'll have peace shortly after coming to your senses there in Israel.
There are a million things that could destroy the planet and a thousand ecosystems, including the Amazon, that are essential to many species.
And yes, they do "talk in cryptic messages - messages regarding the future!" ; )
Thanks. You made my day. I needed a laugh. My record on here stands for itself. I don't have anything else to add right now. Don't give up on peace.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/the-universe-unexplained-mysteries-clip-1-time-travel-ronald-mallett/2f9ab808019930d235a12f9ab808019930d235a1-179534823668?q=Ronald%20Mallett
Albert Einstein said, time is another dimension. I'm sure he was right. Whether time is an allusion or another dimension, I know it is not necessary to travel in a time machine to see a glimpse of the future. As you said (though, I'm not sure if you are jesting) what we see and hear can often be in code. Somehow, for some reason, I don't think we are meant to see into the future, because often the event happens before recognizing an earlier warning. I once saw and spoke to two American people in my home, months before they ever traveled to Australia. They were skeptical at first, until I told them of the conversation... Cheers.
Clinton expressed confidence that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas are committed to negotiating a peace agreement.?
An obsolete conjecture on the part of Ms.Clinton Dear Mrs.Clinton there is not even a glimmer of any chance of the Arabs all to acquiess to what you seem so gladly to interpret.But who am I to spoil your enthusiasm ? When you mention all the arabs agree..By what right if I may? Who owns the Holy Land? It most certainly NOT THE ARABS-- ooops I forgot..our need(USA) of their viscus oil I presume ha? Sorry to disappoint you madame Clinton we are far from winning the day as yet.oo perhaps ina couple of decades or so,or even a couple of hundred years if at all???
Israel has never legally annexed any territory. Even territory 'acquired' [ http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#JSchwebel ] by war must be legally annexed.
A Freemason handshake?
I'd put my money on the former...
Abbas Tells US PA Will Recognize Israel, Says Opposite on PA TV I can't decide if Hillary Clinton is very smart or very ignorant. Maybe she was absent the day they taught taqiyya in diplomacy school.
I have a feeling that this time round something concrete will be achieved. : ) Let this be a Historic event. This Issue has got the whole world as hostage and finally they have realized this. And Hillary if you are reading this, at all Bibi and Abbas and parties become difficult ? Put sanctions on both of them and cancel all kinds of aid from the US. I am going to be positive : )
but as an atheist, I also have to say that the odds of Netanyahu believing a threat by Clinton or Obama to do something like that are as microscopic as the US Senate passing a bill to that effect.
I'd be a lot more positive about your post if you didn't punctuate it with smiley-faces.
Seems to me that Bill Clinton said doubters were "wrong" too. As long as the Palestinians refuse to acknoledge Israels righ to OUR land, there will never be peacful coexistance. The PA does not want peace... they want us to dig our own graves. Stop being fools
What a wonderful concept! Does that mean that O**** has also given up on 'imposing a settlement'? Now the Jews can work this matter out for themselves with God's help.
In order to explain God goofing off, a Rabbi once told me "it was a test of our faith by G-d" I guess the reward for passing such a 'test' is being slaughtered.
Is a three-state solution. Israel annexes the settlement blocks close to its borders and areas leading up to its holy sites, then gives the rest to Jordan. The Gaza Strip is also turned over to Egypt.
Egypt never claimed Gaza as it's own Both Jordan and Egypt, as regional powers, occupied as trustees as per the UN Charter. (both in agreement with Israel - read the armistice AGREEMENTS)
Talking about solutions that don't exist. If Israel unilaterally annexes some settlements, then the Palestinians will simply declare their state. Jordan won't touch it. When Israel has negotiated peace (Egypt, Jordan) they have had peace.. When Israel has unilaterally withdrawn (Lebanon, Gaza), they have had problems. Why not learn a lesson?
Talking about solutions that don't exist. If Israel unilaterally annexes some settlements, then the Palestinians will simply declare their state. Jordan won't touch it. When Israel has negotiated peace (Egypt, Jordan) they have had peace.. When Israel has unilaterally withdrawn (Lebanon, Gaza), they have had problems. Why not learn a lesson?
she is the dumbest person in this administration after barak hussein obama
barak hussein obama ?
I firmly believe that your attitude determines the outcome of a quest. I am glad Hillary Clinton has a positive mind-set and confidence and believes in the outcome of the peace talks. Yes, negative talk and doubt is wrong, you must not waste your time on it. I have downloaded the beautiful picture above so that I can look at it and pray for peace. Go Hillary ! Good Luck ! Shalom and Peace.
Poor Abbas, he is like ping-pong ball, he does not know which direction he will be thrown to next.
And the only thing that has changes is that for half of Israel's history it was the Palestinians who refused to be serious and for the last half it has been Israel. When Israel was willing to settle for what it had the Palestinians were idiotic enough to want it all. Now that the Palestinians are willing to settle upon the boundary that Israel would have welcomed in 1967, it is Israel which wants it all.
What you say is not correct. Hamas have said they will never accept the existance of Israel. Abbas is a hologram. There is no such thing as a"Palestinian" anyhow clearly stated by late King Hussein. Jordan is Palestine
If they don't negotiate peace then either the PA unilaterally declares a state, or they give up on a state and demand full Israeli. Or there will be a massive uprising. There is no other option (no, Jordan and Egypt will NOT accept these lands).
ME [{A}] PIECE OF PEACE AND MAKE ME LAUGH
The main source of concern is that they are have no intention to recognize Israel as Jewish State.They just pretend to have their state with Jerusalem as capital.
the most important fundamental fact is recognized (the state of Israel). Adding a "jewish" is not needed. France is the french state but I never need to implore it is the french state only state it is france, Britain is the british state but no one Has to say its the british state rather simply accept it as the state of britain, Spain is the Spanish state and no one on the planet has to explicitly define it as the state of the spanish. We only need to accept it is the state of Spain. Israel is the Jewish state and I or anyone only needs to accept it as Israel. If Israel wishes to see itself as the Jewish state that is totally up to Israel. For all intensive purposes it is the jewish state weather or not any one says so or should have to say so. You only need to accept it as ISRAEL and that Israel exists. Palestinians are not as I am aware of implying we have to call a new state of palestine a palestinian state but simple the state of Palestine or what ever they want to call it. No one has to state that it will be a state only for the palestinians. Needing Israel to to explicitly be defined as a jewish state almost seems to be a need of wording to use in a right of return argument. (two separate issues)
The main source of concern is mutual recognitions of borders and as independant States. Palestinians have done that a long time ago. Israel has not and continues to settle. The rest is pure manipulation.
Its about control... and removing Jews from their land. Please don't be so nieve.
let's make a deal. the palestinians will recognize israel as a jewish state, when the american jews recognize america as a christian state. oh, and all jews in europe and south america have to do the same. fair?
Why jewish State? An ideology centered on the creation of a state for a specific ethnic group (or groups, in the case of the Jews) has no place in the modern world. A "state for Jews" is no better than a "state for white folks." The result will always be the same.
you see, the Jews were "promised" such and such by "god." Delusions will continue to get in the way of human progress, unfortunately.
The new state should be called the state of West Bank.
It may be unofficial but every other country in the world is a Muslim state, or Christian state. Can the Jews not have one tiny piece of land where Jewish is the majority religion. If not call a Jewish state Jews will be out populated out of a homeland. ssoon.
Our founders eventually provided a Constitution intended to secure our Common Welfare AND the rights of individual Americans against usurpation by the State. Despite Tea Party delusions, America is not a 'Christian State' and cannot be until the First Amendment is repealed.
Only if the Jews get behind the Green Line, to where Israel was given a state for the Jews. But no, it wanted more so it has gotten itself into this mess. So the Jews have a choice: Get behind the line or be at war for the forseeable future, and possibly become the cause for WWIII.
Trying to erase Christianity from America is like attacking apple pie, the American flag and motherhood. Americans swear to tell the truth on a BIBLE, not a koran. Muslims have plenty of land they just want the Jews to die. Aint gonna happen. Live in peace with Israel or, take your chances on premature death.
... why do we need additional contentious appellations...?
Silly Aby Masen made right of return for pals as a must condition. As for borders.. Pals can agree on the state line up to Texas, US. It doesn't mean they'd get it.
As for Europe, I'd say the same about few dozen years ago. Not any more. Halel meat served in England's schools, skewing historical facts in textbooks because it might be offensive to puples, etc. will make this country Islamic state rather soon.
but maybe we don't fully appreciate just how many jews/israelis still feel an existential threat? Wrongly, in my view, but then again I never had my entire family, and entire lineage, obliterated in the holocaust. I say let them have their "jewish democracy" for present comfort, and later they can discard it as an unneeded security blanket
It is simple. Change the official name to the "Jewish State of Israel". It will be known as such in the official documents. Problem solved...now can we move on to matters of substance?