Ashton: Israel must allow Gaza to resume exports
EU's FM visits Gaza Strip; Minister Edelstein: I hope that Ashton will understand there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
By Haaretz Service and The Associated Press Tags: Israel news Gaza EUIsrael should ease its Gaza blockade further and allow Palestinians to resume exports from the territory, the European Union's High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton said on Sunday during a visit to the Hamas-controlled enclave.
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EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton visiting a UN-run summer camp in Gaza July 18, 2010. |
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"The position of the EU is very clear: We want the opportunity for people to be able to move around freely or to see goods not only coming into Gaza but exports coming out of
Gaza," Catherine Ashton told a news conference.
Israel relaxed its land blockade of the Gaza Strip, where its Islamist Hamas enemy rules, after an international outcry over its deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla on May 31. But it still bans exports from the territory.
Ashton said she would discuss the issue later in the day with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "At the moment, there is no proposal on the table to open a port," she said. "The best option seems to be, and that is the most supported by Palestinians, is to open the land crossings, and that's what we're working on."
In Gaza, Ashton visited UN facilities and was due to meet local businessmen. She had no plans to see leaders of Hamas, which the EU and the United States regard as a terrorist organization.
"I hope that following the visit of the European foreign minister in Israel, she will understand that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza," said Information Minister Yuli Edelstein. "We have opened all we can and we have gone a long way toward the civilian population."
The EU plans to offer 22 million euros in grants to some 900 Gaza businesses to help them start up again.
Ashton visited two of the aid recipients on Sunday, Megapharm and a concrete-mixing factory.
"Megapharm was shut down for 2.5 years because of the blockade. Since the embargo was eased, production has reached about 50 percent of capacity, but potential for further growth is limited because exports remain banned," company official Husam Zendah said.
The owner of the concrete mixing factory, Teissir Abu Eida, said his factory is working at 5 percent capacity because the raw materials he needs are on the restricted list. Abu Eida produces just enough concrete to supply two international aid projects, including the repair of a Gaza hospital.
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Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad greets EU's High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton in Ramallah July 17, 2010. |
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"Unless the limitations on the entry of raw materials are lifted, the easing of the blockade is meaningless," he said.
His factory was destroyed during Israel's military offensive against Gaza 19 months ago, and Ashton inspected the wrecks of cement trucks and other vehicles parked in his compound.
It was Ashton's second visit to the Gaza Strip in four months.
On Saturday, Ashton met with Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad in Ramallah.
Ashton is set to meet Netanyahu, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Foreign Affairs Minister Avigdor Lieberman late Sunday.
Israeli media reported this week that Lieberman would be ready to make a proposal to Ashton in order to hand over security inspections of goods and people entering Gaza by and and sea to the international community.
Ashton will visit again the West Bank city of Ramallah on Monday to meet the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
The EU foreign policy representative is visiting the region as US special envoy George Mitchell is attempting to get the Palestinian and Israeli governments to move from the current indirect peace talks to direct negotiations.
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EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton. |
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It seems to me that we can discuss whither Israel's Gaza blockade is legal or not, what UN resolutions have been past, what affairs are internal or external. I think that we forget that when the UN voted to give the Jews their homeland the Arab nations attacked them in 1948 because they did not want a Jewish nation in the Middle East . We can all offer reasons for the views that have but I think until the PLO and other groups etc. recognise Israel's right to exist, lay down their weapons and sit around a table with no preconditions attached then things might get better. If the UN or the EU want to help can they not go and explain to these people that it would better for everyone concerned that this is the best way.
What is the definition of humanitarian crisis in Israel? When people in Gaza are subjected to phosphorous bombs, it is not a humanitarian crisis. When the region is sieged and transport of simple humanitarian aid is also avoided, it's not... When all the infrastructure demolished and couldn't be rebuilt, it is not... When you see some rich people order fruit, it is not... When?
The statement of this lady is not the style austrians (of today) prefer. I am ashamed about such a countrywoman.
... that must be resumed? The only gazan product I am aware of is the Qassam, which is exported to Sderot and Ashkelon on a regular basis.
Israel does allow Gaza to export. Gaza exported 7.5 million tons of flowers and tons of fruits and vegitables in 2009 - much of it going to Israel. Why not industrial goods? What industry? Even before the blockade, Hamas invested nothing in Gaza's industrial development. And Israel now is allowing raw materials in for building, They just are not allowing these materials to fall into the hands of Hamas.
Doing the right thing can often be complicated and a challenging, while doing evil never is. The basis for any eventual political solution to the conflict will be economic, most critically the viability and growth of a Palestinian state. The Palestinian economy has experienced a sharp decline, with high unemployment, little industry, and hundreds of thousands of people dependent on food aid and humanitarian assistance in order to survive. Gaza especially has suffered due to its isolation the past six years, part of the reason for Hamas' surge in popularity. By reversing Gaza's isolation, we need to play a constructive role in a renewed Middle East peace process that would mean security and normal relations for Israel and the Palestinians. The fundamental elements of a final agreement have been clear since 2000: a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank in return for a declaration that the conflict is over, recognition of Israel's right to exist, guarantees of Israeli security, diplomatic recognition of Israel, and normalization of its relations with Arab states. U.S. diplomacy is critical in helping to resolve this conflict. In addition to facilitating negotiations, we must engage in regional diplomacy to gain Arab support for a Palestinian leadership that is committed to peace and willing to engage in a dialogue with the Israelis. Whether or not the United States makes progress in helping to broker a final agreement, consistent U.S. involvement can lower the level of violence and restore our credibility in the region.
Well said John Kerry, clear and to the point.
What a perfect poster girl for the inbred, self-hating, British left-wing aristocracy's Muslim fetishism.
So far, Israel has decided to allow into Gaza all items except those fit for military use. What remains of the "siege" is not allowing the Export of finished goods even if raw materials can come in, as well as the prevention of movement of Gazans in and out of that territory (irrespective of security considerations). The inability to export essentially destroys the Gaza economy, rendering the population destitute and in need of food relief. With exports, the Gazans will not be in need of relief and all future "flotillas" will become pointless. Here is a good way to end the "flotillas", just lift the rest of the "siege". And here is another reason: a legal opinion (by the UN's Human Rights Council): "The [Goldstone] Report states that Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed"- unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/0/9B63490FFCBE44E5C1257632004EA67B?opendocument . In any event, the prevention of ships going into Gaza is justified by security concerns. The ports of Ashdod (Israel) and El-Arish (Egypt) are near the Gaza strip and should be used instead.
anything but allow the Palestinians their freedom. It's quite bizarre.. .....gimme a home in olde Judea and Samaria....keep illegally acquiring Palestinian land at all costs...build baby build.... Never mind that it's on some innocent Palestinian's land, who now is a refugee in Gaza...very likely angry and justly so. Israel, get the hell outta Palestine. Go home to Israel for once...it'll be nice to be home....different...might even be enjoyable.. http://wp.me/pDB7k-tM
Why doesn't Israel move all of the EU embassies and support personnel to Sderot?
The only exports the Gazans are capable of is terror. Is THIS the export she wants Israel to allow?
prior to 1967 war, Gaza belonged to Egypt. So, why doesn't Egypt halt its blockade now that Gaza has been returned to them?
She is not good. It is not happy for people. Hamas-controlled enclave should be changed at first by UN.
Qu'est-ce que c'est?
How about demanding the release of Gilad Shalit???! How about you show a little even-handedness Ashton.
How about releasing some of the eleven thousand prisoners some of whom are only twelve years old from the Israeli prisons. Most of these people have been locked away for protecting against the illegal settlements or resisting occupation. And all you Israelis seems to care about is this one soldier. shame on you people. Do not foget he is a military man where as most of the Palestinian prisoners are civilians. This racsist double standard aproach is what we dont like.
Can the EU not see how ridiculous their claims of shortages are?
Israel exports goods. So they must not have any shortages of anything. So Israel should be blockaded and prevented from importing anything. Actually, that would help the peace process a great deal. Because there would be no more 21st century arms imported from America. And Israel might then decide they want peace.
Well said mate but I doubt your logical sense of thinking will apeal to these twisted fundametalist people. They claim that Israel was promised to them over three thousand years ago by God who was in the estate agency buiness back then dont you know.
It never lived up to its statutes.
I support Liberman's ideas. Gaza is a seperate enemy entity almost a state though without full sovereignity.That is why Israel should keep its border with Gaza closed. The only reason for opening the sole gate is to control Gaza's import. If the international community take's responsibility for controlling influx of goods to Gaza, a sea port in Gaza administered by int community could be erected. In that case the role of Eretz crossing would serve only as backup. Gazans want to be independant let the be at least para independant then. Israel should deliver to Gaza necessary media like water or electricity only according to int agreements and that should be a normal int trade.
To be honest, i think it was Israel who created the Gaza enemy. It's better to build a high wall around Israel so the Gaza people can started to life normal.
if you like abiding by International Agreements. It's defined in the 1947 UNGA Resolution 181 (Partition Plan) and was declared by Israel as being its border in 1948. It encompasses Sderot, Ashkelon and Ashdod. Plenty big enough for a more viable Gazan 'statelet' - don't you think?
The Israeli-imposed blockade violates article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention by inflicting collective punishment on the civilian population of Gaza. Israel is slowly losing its souls with this disatrous policy. Time for a change.
What part of the Geneva Convention allows a group of jihadists to lob rockets into CIVILIAN residential areas with impunity? the people of Gaza then went on to endorse this behavious by electing Hamas to govern them, as you sow so shall you reap.
What part of the Geneva Convention allows a group of jihadists to lob rockets into CIVILIAN residential areas with impunity? the people of Gaza then went on to endorse this behavious by electing Hamas to govern them, as you sow so shall you reap.
Because some Gazans have committed war crimes, you think that Israel is justified in also committing war crimes. Your attitude and that of Israel are hostile to the rule of law and are further evidence that Israel and all its institutions should be boycotted.
By the way, ever heard of Gush Katiff? Arabs signed treaties with Israel to open up official missions in Israel and normalise trade... You are not only arrogant and biased. You want Israel to be hurt. That's your will. And by your will will you endure self.
How come Israeli authorities also punish half of thje Gaza population who have NOT voted for Hamas? How come Israel punishess feminists? How come Israel punishes seculars, intellectuals and anti-Hamas politicians? How come israel punishes babies, who surely did not vote for Hamas? Half of the population of Gaza is under 18 and did NOT vote for Hamas... whyt are they punished too?
Hamas, acting as the de facto government of Gaza, declared a war of genocide against Israel well before any blockade. Just read Hamas’ own propaganda. Use of a blockade in this instance is perfectly legal. Blockades have been used without question in every major conflict for the past century. And with food and medicine not being covered by the Israeli blockade, one has to ask: 'What collective punishment?" You have no idea what you are talking about.
All rockets from Gaza collectively punish Israeli civilians, they only target civilians, Here is my solution, release Gilad Shalit. stop rockets and just ignore Israel! concentrate on making your lives and the lives of your families better, I cannot speak on behalf of Israel but I am confident that they will leave you in peace.
It does not matter what tjhe 4TH GC says about rockets--they are illegal---but that does not relieve Israel of it,s responsibility to the Geneva Conventions. Why is it you think otherwise. Would you care to discuss the Saville Repost---thought not. Bit touchy--old boy--eh what.
Ever heard of a war where civilians weren't affected?
Israel is a signatory to Geneva, A High Contracting Party. Hamas is not. But apparently, Tony thinks that Hamas actions should be Israel's standard and excuse anything Israel does.
You want to committ suicide, be my guest. But, leave me & the rest of the sane people out of it. You screwy leftists have caused us nothing but damage, cost lives for nothing, and still you go on, not learning a damn thing from experience. I'm sick of the BS rhetoric, you've turned language itself into a parody, you & your ilk are the true disciples of George Orwell, you've made a joke out of our noblest ideas & values. Democracy. What the hell do you know about democracy? All you want is to undermine democracy, you & your Islamic friends.
Show what she wants to see,but notwhat they are hiding.Typical Hamas actions Screwy leftists right and left dreaming the impossile dream I have tis to tell Ashton more relevant for her to read. For Zion's sake I will not remain silent. For Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until its righteousness shines like the dawn and its salvation burns brightly like a torch. Isaiah 1:26 "Then I will restore your judges as at the first, And your counselors as at the beginning; After that you will be called the city of righteousness, A faithful city”. Isaiah 46:13 "I bring near My righteousness, it is not far off; And My salvation will not delay. And I will grant salvation in Zion, And My glory for Israel. Isaiah 52:10 The LORD has bared His holy arm In the sight of all the nations, That all the ends of the earth may see The salvation of our God. Isaiah 58:8 Then your light will break out like the dawn, And your recovery will speedily spring forth; And your righteousness will go before you; The glory of the LORD will be your rear guard. Isaiah 61:11 For as the earth brings forth its sprouts, And as a garden causes the things sown in it to spring up, So the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise To spring up before all the nations. That’s for you Ashton .Remember to ask Haniyeh his about his CHARTER, And its connection to the Muslim Brotherhood they follow. For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burns
You see, Ms. Ashton, we, Jews, are entitled to the very first of all human rights as all other human beings - yes, we are human beings, despite of what some may think - and that right is the right to live and to protect one's life.
Europeans not. Are Jews lesser human beings, Ms. Ashton?
Israel can inspect what passes through it's borders, no? There is no actual problem is there, being a NORMAL country, applying the NORMAL criteria to what goes in and out of one's own country. I believe it's called 'customs'. Costoms inspect things you know....ever heard of them?
Your comments are valid and truthful, but how many Israeli lives have to be lost before everyone understands that Hamas; as it is now composed, can not be part of any peace process.
What part of NO OCCUPATION NO PEACE you don't understand?
Go back to school wasseem. Gaza is not occupied. UN certified total and complete ISraelim pull out a long time ago. So grow up and demand better of hamas. After all they are in charge, and they have brought thios death, destruction and other problems to gaza because they are extremists. They are corrupt. HAmas has food, gas, cooking fuel and lots of electiricity. gazans have not got this. But hey they elected hamas in spite of its corruption they did this to getm back at ISrael and it is not working.
ALWAYS MIXING EVERYTHING UP... NO WONDER YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY'S UP!!
Then you live the way you do, and nothing changes
Why wasn't there peace BEFORE this "occupation" excuse? Why are Jews suddenly not allowed to live in East Jerusalem and the West Bank? Why, after Israel withdrew from Gaza (NO occupation) was there an increase in rocket fire from there?
some people hate our survival.. for some its the last priority.. and they believe we should adopt their folly.. too bad psychos.. we're here to stay.. infested with double standards that they would never even fool themselves long enough to try to live up to - they seriously think we should just kill ourselves.. never forget - ashton - we survived "you" time and time again.. go home..
The are several good reasons for opening up the borders while none the-less maintaining control of who may through them. I would not suggest that there is no danger of suicide bombers crossing at check points into Israel. However the increasing hopelessness felt by normal citizens of Gaza who have been years without work, or the chance to attend schools of higher learning in the West Bank is, in the long run, a far greater danger to Israel and Israelis. If we are drifting so far away from any empathy or altruism for the millions of Palestinians who are not terrorists, but who suffer between the cynicism of Hamas and the overwhelming ill applied strength of the IDF,then that poses an even greater danger to the soul, spirit, integrity and long term survival of the Jewish homeland. From a purely selfish point of view, Palestinians for decades provided the best source of professional labor in many sectors of the Israeli economy. The steam in the Israeli/Palestinian pressure cooker is near to blasting the lid off any chance of coordination between the two peoples, but the choices are starkly limited, blood in the streets or a common search for a way to exist decently side by side; there are no other choices.
A nice posting , but please just give 1 example of Hamas in Gaza' searching for a common way to exist decently side by side', what part of the charter deals with existing decently side by side?????
Have you read the Likud Chater Tony old bean. Perhaps you can point out to us where exactly it allows for a Palestinian state. Bit odd you mouthing off about existing decently side by side---hmmm-old chappie. I mean???.
let's not forget that ashton was a member of the KGB front organisation advocating a nuclear free world. ashton should be made to read the hamas charter and asked to comment on it.
Ronald Reagan advocated a nuclear free world, too. Does that make him, too a commie KGB agent?
As a staunchly anti-nuclear country ourselves, I imagine that such an association would be well received here; your attitude towards alternatives to military violence are invariably negative, which is rather sad. Interestingly, the only act of terrorism carried out in New Zealand was by French agents opposing our anti-nuclear stance. The Hamas charter became what it is after Israels brutal repression during the first Intifada, so your country has made the problem.
As a staunchly anti-nuclear country ourselves, I imagine that such an association would be well received here; your attitude towards alternatives to military violence are invariably negative, which is rather sad. Interestingly, the only act of terrorism carried out in New Zealand was by French agents opposing our anti-nuclear stance. The Hamas charter became what it is after Israels brutal repression during the first Intifada, so your country has made the problem.
He favored reduction of nukes to zero, too. And he even made a deal with the USSR to reduce US nukes. Does that make him a commie pinko who worked for the KGB?
Another irrelevant piece of information, like #86 abt Rudolf Hess. I am pretty sure Lady Ashton has read the Gaza charter, and she's probably read the Likud platform as well - about settling "Judea and Samaria". I would guess she is well informed.
reagan was not advocating unilateral nuclear disarmament. his vision was part of an entire strategy which included missile defence, as well as the attempt to undermine the ussr economically and militarily and diplomatically. ashton belonged to an organisation which advocated unilateral nuclear disarmament, which was a kgb front. hence, as was reported in the uk press, her nomination was controversial.
all of your posts have been staunchly anti-israel. however, know that hamas, as a branch of the muslim brotherhood, of which al-qaida's al-zawahiri was a top member, is a genocidal organisation. personally, i do not care that new zealand is against nuclear weapons. new zealand has benefited from us and uk nuclear umbrella. furthermore,
Once ago you were... when you had Jewish PM with guts, whom your own country stomped on out of pure Anti - Semitism. Since then nuclear subs ( of course, of foreign countries... ) have being staying in your ports. The trouble of arrogant people is they do not learn. The trouble of Anti - Semites is they learn backwards. They unlearn what they find inconvenient and invent reality where they need some facts that do not exist. Including existence of some "intifadas". The murder of Jewish people in Israel continues without inti or munti or any other fad - asses. Do not insult our intelligence enumerating murder.
I used to be staunchly pro-Israel, but I know better than you seem to - or your leaders - that your way of dealing with people who want self-determination don''t work. Groups like Hamas can be defused as were similar groups like Mau mau, ANC, in Africa. Why do you think that the Nazis never managed to stamp out the resistance groups, regardless of the brutal responses? Now research Hamas, and you will find that Menachem Begin was in favour of them.
Somehow, had I come from Sweden I don't think I would have referred too much to WWII and secret archives. - There it is, I've said it - although I had decidede not to. The temptation got the better of me. Anyway, what on EARTH has Rudolf Hess got to do with Gaza??
no comment
very simple. The same people who invested into Hess visit in England are same round of people who today invest in Hamas. And the level of agitation is a direct function of the expiry on the insurance on investment. So, get a grip. Those are lost money. Hamas is done for.
You ask,"What on earth has Rudolf Hess got to do with Gaza"? Answer: They were both parachuted,one in reality,(HIss) & the other one was Jettisoned into the changing sands of the ME.. She couldn't even find Lebanon or Israel on the map. Something in the vein of Chamberlain who exclaimed ! Where is Czechoslovakia ! ? b) Both were /are seeped deeply in Propaganda & lies.
Israel opens the borders of Gaza and Hamas stop firing rockets from Gaza and using things like the construction materials to line tunnels or build bunkers for the Hamas top brass and their arms dumps.. In 2005 Israel pulled out all soldiers and settlers, international charities paid the settlers millions to buy their hot houses which the palestinians were supposed to use to earn money of their own. First 2 things that were done when the palestinians took Gaza: 1) They burned down the synagogues used by the settlers. 2) The trashed the multi million dollar hot houses Then they starts a campaign of rocket fire into Israel. Between the withdrawl in September 2005 - Cast Lead in 2008 they fired around 3000 rockets and were slowly increasing their ranges until they were going from Sderot near the Gaza border to the city of Ashkelon and there has to come a time when you say enough it enough and Cast Lead was launched and the borders sealed on both the Egyptian and israeli sides. If Hamas want to make peace and stop firing rockets nobody will have any problems with the idea of opening the border. One thing the sealing of the Gaza border does show is a 2 part palestinian state in 22% of British mandate Palestine will never be viable in the long term once and the 2 state solution will never work and instead we should be looking at other options like palestinians becoming Jordanian citizens and we drop the whole mess we created with oslo that has created nothing but misery for all sides.
Once Israel had 'left' Gaza, it was completely sealed by land, sea and air. Israel immediately started flying over with sonic booms, terrifying the population. Gaza became a sealed prison. After constant incursions and assassinations of their leaders,the rockets were fired as self defence. Hamas repeatedly offrered andn kept to ceasfirs which Israe;l deliberatley broke, as with Cast Lead. Israel had pre-planned the assault andn devatatstation of Gaza, and a six month ceasefire which Hamas adhered t was agingn broken by Israel . The terrifying massacre iof Gazathen ensued , whvcih Goldstone investigated and concluded that Israel had committed serious war-crimes.
Besides Ahmadienjad Ashton is the ugliest person that has trodden the ME & Europe. Watch out ! Being what she is,she;ll always want tp find favour with the majority of people & their views.no matter how distorted they are She hasn;t the backbone to stand up against current,events even though the minority might be right. She's no Emil Zola !
Let's see a photo of you then.....
That makes Israel the ugliest of all.
She's not only Ugly,but also Silly to the 3rd degree. Wonder. Wouldn't it be great fun to have ashton & ahmadienjad in the same bed for 48 hours ! Wow ! That.s what you call Punishment !
Not once did she mention Shalit. What planet is she from?
that one never mentioned Gilad until after she was caught red - handed staying silent about Gilad in US during her Christmas 2008 visits... all the while Hamas was bombarding Israel with rocket barrages. Instead Tzipi was praising Hamas support for Gaza hospitals. Why would you ask from EU dignitaries what your own Israeli politicians not only failed to do but shunned away until they could no longer do so? You want EU politicians respect Schalit issue? Goose up Tzipi to talk about Schalit day and night. If they know Israel wont' step of the jugular until they at least produce an obligatory noise about Gilar Schalit they will do it. But they will never do it if you let own politicians make a political football out of Gilad Schalit plight. And so far Tzipi and the likes make us look like meshugene running around with effigy of Gilad in their holier than though temple.
it's great that europe is getting more involved. israel has essentially been cut out of the process; they have proven time and time again that they lack empathy for anyone other than themselves and thus cannot be trusted with rebuilding palestinian society. the arab countries are also finally getting more involved. i hope to see asia and america (hah! yeah right) get involved someday.
Do you know ANYTHING about what has gone on here in the last 100 years? Do you have any idea/understanding of the history here? I would imagine not because your comments reveal how you have bought hook line and sinker the Arab war narrative.
Gaza is a small insignificant speck compared to all the oppresion throughout the world.
The obsession of victimization disseminated by the right wing and settlers has led to a total lack of empathy of most Israelis fore anyone who's not an Israeli Jew. You can see it everyday in the way people treat Palestinians and illegal migrants. It's high time for a change in this country, with humane leaders rising to power for a change.
the rocket economy?
...OK.It's a deal. Take her...
we all saw the great European peace force in Ruanda. Those who trusted Europe were killed with machetes 700,000. Why don't you open your borders with Turkey, which is even your ally in NATO? Why don't you let all North-Africans immigrate freely into Europe? Why don't you ask Egypt to lift the Egyptian siege on Gaza? What is your fixation about Israel? Europe: Israel is none of your business, not historical, not religious (your center is the Vatican), and there are many places with far worse problems. There are no Judeo-Christian values, there are Jewish values and there is the Holocaust.
1. open borders with turkey will come, now they r still too poor. 2. no african comes to europe cause the r poor. 3. between egypt and gaza its a normal border. not like between the occupier and its colony. 4. EU is tryin to solve some probs, where r ur offers to the world.
EU and you are looting iran country including oil.gas mine.etc.also are bloodshed.murder.mercenary.with your people unable and trash.incapable robber
you killed jews then felt bad so you let in a whole bunch of people that want to kill jews. Now these people control your politics. Europeans will never be happy unless someone is trying to kill the jews. If the Jews defend themselves they get angry. Israel WILL NOT be a victim of Europes liberal immigration policies. Say whatever you want to appease your soon majority muslim consitutency but at the end of the day you lost all right to Jewish affairs about 60 years ago. LEAVE US ALONE
Who is responsible for the Balfour Declaration? A European nation. From where did most of the Zionist immigrants come? From various European nations. What are the national values of the Israeli state? European/American values. Israel is simply a Western colony. And who is getting killed? Arabs are getting killed by Jews. Lots and lots of them. That is why so many other Arabs are very, very angry. Israel has no right to complain about world censure as long as its bloodthirsty, land-hungry thugs keep on killing Palestinians.
Who wrote up the Balfour Declaration? A European country. Whose immigrants colonised Palestine? Europe's. Whose values formed the Israeli state? European values. Whose cuisine is eaten by Israelis? European cuisine. Which culture is prominent in Israel? European culture. Europe and the rest of the world will gladly leave your ingrate little arse alone if you stop killing Arabs and stealing their land. What an embarrassment.
Arrogance is an expensive habit... who pays for yours?
...when the Jews put down their weapons there will no longer be Israel". Is this what the EU desires, the same Europe that has managed to extract millions of our people for centuries, to discriminate them, expel them and eventually murder them? Is Europe seeking to finish the job it started and never finished...??!!
Qatzrin is not in Israel--it is ocupied territory. Stolen land--that makes you a thief and your opinion is tainted at best. When you go back to wherever you came from--there will be peace.
What a lunatic. Besides persecuting Jews, Europe was and is also home to Jews, educated Jews, provided career opportunities for Jews and yes, defended Jews. So give the Europeans a break!
do you really think that europe wants to finish the job?
and basically explains the mindset behind the eternal war strategy which underpins current Israeli policy and that, by definition, guarantees no end to conflict.
See what Shakespeare had to say: "No more of this 'tis like the howling of Irish Wolves against the moon" !
Israel has continued to illegally gobble up land clearly beyond its unilaterally declared jewish state. Why should Europe's disenchantment with the Jews become a ME problem? Why should Palestine be carved up to give warmongering nomadic est European pagans a homeland?
Nice home it was, indeed! Jews were dreamimg of calling Europe their home and fully identified themselves with those countries that gave career opportunities. And what was the end? If you trying to forget, we will not NEVER forget it. So, SHUP UP!
if Jewish nation didn't stand by your country there would be no Lydia today. So, if you do not like us, at least have some reverence to your own life. It didn't come about because Mr. Schicklgruber was humanitarian.
i hope, europe will soon be relieved of this physically and morally ugly woman.
For the sake of being a human, I felt compelled to ask what is wrong with you celine. What has got to do her physic about it. Do you have a personal problem with the apperances. You had better have some manner.
What an amazingly mean, shameful and primitive argument! It certainly does not serve your cause - whatever it is - well.
Your comment says more about you than about Lady Ahton. I would have been ashamed to have written it.
Why, is 't family of you?
because face is the show-window of human heart.
or you will never be taken seriously--they must be at least as good-looking as was that Ukrainian beauty, Golda Mabovitch aka Meir.
Celine Dear, I feel sorry for your narrow minded opinion of another human being .... so sad.
or you will never be taken seriously, they must be at least as gorgeous as was that Ukrainian beauty, Golda Mabovitch, aka Meir.
celine, there was another from austria with a similar psyche. i don't know what your cause is, but you don't help it.
then take your preferential trading agreements where Israel signed that it would abide by human rights laws and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. See how long you can survive having to pay the same taxes as everyone else to import your goods into the EU.
No one will be buying them. See how long Israel holds onto it,s arrogance.
Agreements still exist and Ashton hasn't revoked any of them. Take your personal ultimatum and stick it back where you pulled it from (so your head can have some company).
Israel signed documents which Israel has to abide by. If Israel doesn't want to abide by those agreements then israel should revoke these documents. Thing is and it would be hard for you to comprehend in Seattle, 75% of all exports by Israel are to the EU. There will be lots of smoke and mirrors from netanyahu in the coming days, but even netanyahu knowa that he has no choice but to comply. As he has done since the evening of 31st May
That works on many levelws. EU cancels trading status. Israel no longer sells the Eu anti missile technology that lets these weak kneed appeaser sleep well at nite. But dont worry ISrael will pay teh taxes, because when Ahmedinajad finaly launches his ICBM to the Eu, There wont be any technology to stop them form hitting . Except of course ISraeli technology. Say thank you to teh nice jews Eu.. go ahead... choke a bit but say thank you
Originally, the "siege" policy was motivated as the means to make the Gaza population unhappy with Hamas rule and induce them to overthrow it. It didn't work, and actually should not have been expected to work because historically, Arab masses do not overthrow rulers, Arab militaries do that, but in Gaza Hamas IS the military. The policy failed to achieve its goal, but was continued nevertheless under changing explanations (the latest was the Shalit excuse). Only after the "flotilla" debacle is the policy changing. How much damage can a pointless, visibly failed policy cause? 1. For the Turkish-led "flotilla" incident, read the various articles, and consider in addition that the UN may become more inclined to send the Goldstone Report to the Hague. Also, the governing Islamic party in Turkey might have found the excuse to break relations with Israel, which it avoided doing for fear of the Turkish military. The Turkish military might now be convinced that this has to be done. 2. Operation Cast Lead (late 2008) was caused by the pointless "siege" policy. Hamas offered to continue the then prevailing cease fire provided that Israel lifts the siege. Israel refused. Result: Abbas had to stop peace negotiations with Israel. Olmert said he was very close to a deal with the PA, but then Cast Lead "happened". No, idiot, it didn't just happen, Olmert preferred the "siege" over a peace deal. Such an incredible choice should go into the history books!
This is what happens when a population are disarmed and no means to overthrow a government. Since hamas is teh military or rather thugs with guns, regular gazans are the victims. Get rid of hamas and life will change unless another more extreme version of hamas gets elected. In which case life gets harder
This lady had no foreign experience prior to being made de facto EU Foreign Minister in 2009..She was the head of a Health Authority covering an English county until 2001 and then entered politics and was appointed a very junior minister in education, then parliamentary affairs and finally in the Ministry of Justice.Given a medieval title, the Baroness doesn't suddenly become a world expert on solving the Middle East conflict. If ever there was a case of promoting someone beyond their experience and abilities. No this isn't Alice in Wonderland, it is the Baroness Ashton.
she has a much better background than Liberman
Not with that double-chin !
yet he is Israel's Foreign Minister. At least Lady Ashton has experience of how government departments are run.
Israel is not a member of the EU. Why does the EU interfere in the internal affairs of Israel when they do not interfere in the internal affairs of another EU member country. In my country where we had decades of terriorism not one EU member said anything about that or even tried to help. If the Eu want to help they should talk to the terrorist groups who want to destroy Israel and tell them that Israel has a right to exist the same as any other country. If this was done and these people stopped their attacks it would be a start.
The Gaza Strip, West Bank, East Jerusalem, Golan Heights, Shebba Farms are all EXTERNAL affairs for Israel. Read the Fourth Geneva Convention and numerous UNSC resolutions.
Nice! Welcome terror! By UN blessing!
open too! let hizbolah in whilst you're at it. Before you open your mouth with great ideas, look at the state that your beloved europestan is in.
....in December 2009, she leveled scathing criticism at the “Israeli occupation,” in her first speech as the European Union’s first high representative for foreign affairs and security policy.(Akiva Eldar, Haaretz). This time it was neither the “infamous” Swedish president who pulled the EU toward an anti-Israel resolution, nor a “daydreaming judge” in Britain who issued an arrest warrant against an Israeli foreign minister. Criticism of Israel has become the language of choice in European discourse via this new European dream of refined feminity, beauty and aristocratic impartiality, particularly in respect to anything Jewish.
Whilst Livni was Foreign Miister she had diplomatic immunity. When she came first in the election and went into opposition she lost that protection. Simple as that Interestingly I see Livni has not fulfilled her promise of travelling to the UK to challenge the law of universal jurisdiction.
Yet you have no problem letting lowlife Meshaal come to Britain, right. That is why your once-lovely country is going down the crapper.
.....The few Brits are overwhelmed, and becoming more so all the time. France, the same.
25% of all israeli exports to Europe are to England. The nightclub bouncer et al will whinge and moan but like when we booted the Israeli diplomat out won't do anything. That is why we will invite who we like despite Israeli whinging. There is jack that Israel can do.
Don't come then. There you go problem solved. Can't say the same to the richest israeli or israeli investors who have increased investments in the UK by 20% in the last year. You need to come back to the real world and smell the coffee.
And how is your MP and your Pious queen and furnicating family-remember the one how didn't visit Israel because she is so pious. Again you are delusional self promoting false prophet
The Queen hasn't visited Israel because Israel was founded on the deaths of British citizens. Same as she didn't visit Japan when Hirohito was alive.
Have I missed something, or have you not also voiced an opposition to it?
Will Ashton open hr own border for the Gazans?
i'd close the border for VIP ashton
Will make it easier to close the EU borders to Israeli exports.
Make it simple for her. No deal with a criminal gang that declares war in its Charter. If she won't try, she can take a hike.
She's just placating the European liberals who demand action. Regardless of which side of the issue you're on, this statement has ZERO impact. The EU is falling apart at the seams and their absolute refusal to take any action beyond flapping their lips has made any position it takes an irrelevant non-issue. They should revisit the issue when they have more than just a sound bite's worth of words.
from Covenants and Charters such as that of the Palestinian/Arab which calls for 'The Destruction of the State of Israel' Read this Charter in full and quiver at its Ferocity.
people in Gaza are prisoners, collectively punished, since 2005 there are not suicide attack,not only to thank God but to a political choice. Eu should me more strong in defending human rights. Israel should be made accountable for their violations. Yes security for Israel but freedom and security also for paletinians, end the occupation!
There is free and open commerce even between France and Germany. Come into the 21st Century. No Papers required like Arizona. Ever been to the US-Mexico Border? Even weapons pass freely into Mexico. More easily than food.
An independent state under the responsibility of the UN and EU. Sea access, access from Rafah Israel/Gaza border hermetically sealed. No exports as the tax goes to Hamas a terrorist organization, no vessels that are not departing from Greece and Cyprus after full inspection.
terrorists can you expect Israel to permit open "crossings" to Hamas terrorists. We, Jews, also have the first of all human rights, the right to live and protect our lives, don't you think...??
The European Union must call for an urgent and fundamental change of policy regarding the roots of the problem , the occupation and the expansion policy of israel. The israelis must stop their trials to separate gaza strip from the west bank. No need for manufacturing weapons if ther is a serious move toward peace settelment.
take Gaza back, and begin resettlements.
There is no end to this excrement Until We all automatically (ie taught from primary through high school) how to communicate empathetically (read Non Violent Communication) Divorce, War and all the other forms of Gaia destruction will continue. But by the time you can vote If you cant think NVC you are going to fight (or lie down and die) Hiroshima and Nagaski are the end points of that There is enough resources to go round if we respect each other Guns and bombs or food and aid Help or degradation Thanks for the fish Listen to Aldous Huxley on you tube
The EU has not got the guts to pressure Israel so it should just shut up. Anyone, including the EU and USA not willing to stop Israel should stop vapid criticisms and mindless suggestions. The EU and USA could put intense pressure on Israel, but clearly neither has any intention of doing so. So they should shut up.
But it doesn't have anything to to with guts. It is that the majority of the leaders of the West see Israel as a decent country with similar values, sympathize with the fact it is surrounded by people actively trying to destroy it, and recognize that the loss of Israel would be a significant loss for the world.
Thank you for this comment. Historically since the Second World War, the USA and Europe have been interfering with that particular region of the world to the detriment of the people living there. It clearly serves a purpose for these governments to do so. However it seems the tide may be changing because as a civilization we cannot continue with hatred and violence. A lot of revenue is earned by governments from the sale of weapons. When humanity wakes up and realises that it can live in peace without being controlled by bureaucratic organisation and governement. Then finally there will be true freedom for everyone.
single state solution coming to an area near you soon?
"welcomed the announcements made by Israel following the flotilla incident and are now awaiting their implementation." So, is the promised liberalization just another Oslo promise for some indefinite future? The Lieberman plan is a bogus offer to transfer the occupation to the EU, with Israeli oversight.
when these terrorists launch rockets and blow up buses can we defend ourselves?
Self-defense is always allowed. But self-defence doesn't include random shooting of unarmed civilians. Someday, if your politicians learn this and pass it along to your soldiers, progress may be made. That woman out looking for her toddler in Northern Gaza who died by artillery fire outside her home is something to be avoided.
WHO IS ASHTON TRYING TO DICTATE ISRAEL? IS ISRAEL UNDER THE COLONY OF EU, HA?
nobody told here that the british mandate is over
Israel gains from considerable trade concessions with the EU, when will Israel stop taking and start giving back.
Allow roving bands of ski-masked dodos to wander around the Negev with AKs and RPGs. What's the problem? It is not so much insane as it is disrespectful. It is like Israel demanding that Ashton MUST have a face transplant.
IDF troops should try staying on THEIR side of the Gaza border and stop shooting women trying to pick up toddlers. Alternatively, real independence, without Israeli or EU oversight should be on the agenda. Gaza should be demilitarized to the extent Israel is.
... that every instance of force that Israel has resorted to against Gaza has been to discourage rocket fire and the planting of explosives along the perimeter. Hamas can cause the complete cessation of violence by simply refraining from these activities.
If the world would stop to think of what would happen if Israel lifted the blockade, they would not want the blockade lifted. Cut off food, water, electricity, medical aid from Israel. Stop the blockade and allow iran, russia, china, and north korea to set up military bases in gaza - and then watch the fun begin with rockets and kassams flying not only into Israel but to Europe that could really hit the Miss Gorgeous EU
Why aren't Gazans allowed to build bunkers? Israelis have access to bunkers so when there is bombing they have a hope of safety - surely civilians in Gaza have the same right ?? ( & yes, I know the response will be that HAMAS will use materials to build bunkers for themselves and/or they wouldn't need bunkers if they hadn't elected or otherwise been supporters of hamas)
own stupid question.
We'll talk.
We'll stop Israel's special trading status with Europe, Israel doesn't want to abide with past agreeents that they have signed. We'll just tear the agreement up. Lets see how long Israel's economy can maintain the occupation without trading with Europe at special rates.
no, linthwaite, you won't. ashton is all talk, just you wait and see. you euros should worry about your own nation falling apart, which it is. rip up agreements with Israel and we Americans will turn our backs on you and you will surely be finished. you don't dictate terms to Israel, never have, never will. deal with it.
If a person is anti -Israel,then one would make such a statement as this.However,if this person lived in an area that was being continually bombed,and no matter how many concessions had been made by that gov't,versus,the fact that the other one,(the Palestinians )have not kept their word on one thing,that person may have a different point of view.The palestinians want to annilate Israel,they do not seek peace.They have had chance after chance,after chance.Take your head out of the sand and see what's happening,and what is being said. If this person truly wants peace,start hounding the Palestinians in the same manner in which you have hounded Israel.
Northern Gaza gets twice to three times the bombing, with laser-guided bombs that any border area in Israel. More tonnage and more volume. The border should be sealed against bullets AND troops with Iron Dome on one side and Phalanx on the other to stop both sides bombs mortars and rockets and missiles. AND Aircraft.
Don't be ridiculous. Next thing you'll be claiming there's still a holocaust going on.
'Concessions' that are being 'imposed' by a government that has not been chosen by the people who had been living in this area prior to 1947 does not lead to 'negotiation. In addition, for Palestians having no access to land, being denied water, fuel, amenities and educational resources, imposing curfews, and for Israelis imprisoning conscientious objectors and encouraging students to report and inform on liberal academics hardly leads to 'chance after chance, after chance for successful long term peace. As for the terms 'Hounding' or 'being hounded' well, what can one say? Hardly the wisest or most helpful of suggestions.
If a person is anti -Israel,then one would make such a statement as this.However,if this person lived in an area that was being continually bombed,and no matter how many concessions had been made by that gov't,versus,the fact that the other one,(the Palestinians )have not kept their word on one thing,that person may have a different point of view.The palestinians want to annilate Israel,they do not seek peace.They have had chance after chance,after chance.Take your head out of the sand and see what's happening,and what is being said. If this person truly wants peace,start hounding the Palestinians in the same manner in which you have hounded Israel.
The fact is, Gaza is the way it is because the Pals don't want peace. Their self inflicted situation should not be blamed on Israeli policy, after all the policy was in reaction to Palestinian attacks on Israeli innocent civilians. But I have no problem with logical easing of restrictions with careful monitoring of dual use goods.
Please, mind your bizness. We didn't hear a peep from her while 8000 rockets were fired from the Gaza thugs. We didn't hear a peep from her when Shalit was kidnapped. Suddenly, the mouse wakes up. What, Ashton, Israel is the only people who cannot defend herself from the terror-thugs. And, she's ugleee to boot.
Totally agree with Mark from Georgia
8000 rockets?. Dont you mean 8 million? No, Wait, Wait, 800 million rockets raining down on little babies and defenseless frail old ladies, Yeh, and all by Murdering Gazen thugs. And they killed ??? milli....ZERO. Get Real! the history of occupied Palestine is a myth that few can agree upon. Tear down all the borders and rename the whole area Israelstine! Give everyone the vote, No more us and them, just one big happy democracy. Look there goes a flying elephant...
I don't wish to be rude but this is not an informed comment. The situation is not 'self inflicted'. One has to look at the historical background. It is too easy to see things in isolation. An interesting short read would be 'Journey to Nowhere' - a personal account of the early years in Israel .
The one state solution is the Trojan horse option to Israeli suicide, those who advocate it are simply asking for Israel's destruction using demographics instead of war, you fool nobody. Regarding history, even a brief review clearly shows Pals at fault for the situation
Are you in some alternate reality?
as must all other Arab nations- let your brothers in and solve this pseudo-refugee problem once and for all. Israel did it when Arab states kicked out the Jews, let the Arab states do the same.
What stolen land? Palestinians has only existed since 1967.
recognizes all past agreements, and stops all incitement and violence against Israel and the Jewish people, and returns Gilad Shalit then the blockade will be lifted. HAMAS CAN DO THIS TOMORROW. So it is on Hamas to make the peaceful moves, than the war will be over with. But apparently Europe wants Israel to surrender! To hell with the EU.
Cart before the horse. The Arabs are the ones who have refused to negotiate or legitimize Israel illegal occupation unless ALL tenets of UN242 is complied with. Without their recognition the Jewish state remains illegitimate with 250 UN res.
When Hamas recognizes the State of Israel. Or was that Fatah? Edward, IF Hamas did as Fatah HAS, that is recognize the State of Israel you would have to invent another phony reason to reject any peace under any circumstances.
Bibi specifically rejected all prior agreements, even those with the USA. Why should any Palestinian do what Netanyahu refuses to do? If Hamas releases Shalit, will Israel release all the Palestinians it holds? Get real. Negotiate if you want peace, IN GOOD FAITH!
They were convicted after a crime they commited, Gilat was simply garding a border in northen Gaza. In israel the red cross has acces to prisoners, they get letters and news from family, and 3 meals a day, like a normal prison. Gilat is being held as a hostage, no news, no letters from family, no red cross acces, ect. Gilat didn't hurt anyone, and still he's being held in much worse circumstances.
Many are being held in "administrative detention". And almost all the rest have been "convicted" in military courts, which always find Pals guilty, but never finds Israeli's guilty unless forced to by the Israel High Court. Israeli accused terrorists have the right to a civlian court, a lawyer, innocent until proven guilty, etc. But not Pals being tried in Israel. None of them have been convicted by a Pal court. I am sure you do not trust a Pal court to be fair. But I do not trust an Israeli court to be fair, nor do the Pals.
forgets to say EU must open Turkey into EU.
simply because Erdogan positioning Turkey closer to Iran will concentrate minds about this strategic ally in the region. Ashton is holding Israel to agreements that Israel signed in return for favored nation status. If Israel does not want to undertake those agreements then Israel should tell the EUropean Union that all trade agreements will be revoked. Won't happen of course, Israel won't be able to ask five minutes without trade with the EU. There will be lots of smoke and mirrors but the border crossings will be opened as per EU requests. Netanyahu cannot afford to lose ties with Europe, even if the right wing whackjobs who don't work think that Israel can.
Then we'll see what she would have to say.
Besides all Ashton is doing is ensuring Israel abides by agreements between the EU and Israel in return for which Israel got favored nation status. If Israel doesn't want to trade with the EU fair enough. Let them export to the United States instead and you can take up the slack. (75% of Israel's exports)
It took from Israel to change 3 governments before someone did, from Israel own government. The only chance Israel stands is to Gilad Schalit her in Sderot. That would make for an exciting week. I would personally call Haneyah to get some Hamas rockets going... I wonder how much Hamas in awe from her likes. Those guys sense weakness by a mile and they never fail to check with rockets how far the soft spots can be moved.
Let the EU send them aid and inspect ships!
Are you out of your cotton picking mind? I hear no peace in your tone, just a closed mind.
I'm not saying Egypt should keep their border closed. Let Hamas and Egypt make peace.
Or the Europian countries to all states next to them.. Sure we will open them right up LOL
There is free and open commerce even between France and Germany. Come into the 21st Century. No Papers required like Arizona.
may open the border to her home?
Tell this lady it is not her business. This is Israeli border. Let her push Egypt to open the border with Gaza and take care about their brothers.
As the title implies, this broard is stoned or what ... she wants the gaza boarders open but says nothing about rocket fire. Oh yes, she did condemn them once but as far as Israeli security is concerned, well that can take a back seat to open boarders that give hamas better tools of war. So i say give her the tour., let her take her photos and talk around , then put her on a plane back to Europe where she can meet with more Israeali haters who want to appease their muslim populations by undermining Israeli security. But ask yourself, when will these Europeans get it, there is no peace with terrorists, there is no middle ground and praying for hamas to come around like the IRA is silly, becasue the IRA wasn't fighting a religous war dating back to 1100 and didn't want to wipe out the British just get more rights for self governement. they committed acts of terror but where always ready to make a deal. Can anyone say the same for hamas . NO.. they only wnat to sipe Israel off the map and this is a gfight to the death .. there is no inbetween.
Are these the same border crossings that were attacked various times by Hamas when they were opened in the past?
Israel should do nothing until Gilad Shalit is released and Hamas adheres to the Oslo Accords and agreements that have been negotiated and signed between the Palestinian Arab leadership and Israel. When Hamas also accepts in principle Israel's right to exist, adheres to signed agreements and ceases all forms of terror and violence per the demands of the international community, perhaps then they will be treated as more than the pariahs and Iranian poodles which they currently are.
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without a doubt Hamas is still smuggling weapons. Only brain dead idiots would think otherwise
Over the many years I have been reading comments and listening to views. What the Israelis never seem to understand is that the rockets are the result of their own unjust policies and severe sanctions. These are probably the last means to revolt against an apartheid regime. The best way to understand it is to put yourself in their place... thats all I ask.. just for a second, do it and enlighten me of all the genuine pragmatic options you have in order to overcome this mess you would be in for a "second" Its not a hobby for Muslims or Palestinians or Arabs to fire rockets or hurt people. why on earth would any sane person do that unless provoked to do it..
Total Bull. Israel has not known one hour of peace. Israeli actions have totally been the result of Arab aggression. The Arab DNA does not allow any option but aggression, even against each other. Witness Hamas actions against Fatah in Gaza. Again, is Israel the only country unable to exercise defense against Arab terror and aggression ?? By the way, you don't have a clue what an apartheid regime is. Don't throw around such big words. Why would a sane person hurt people? Exactly the point, are they sane?? Is a homicide terror bomber sane?? Is a mother of such a monster who kills himself and praises her son a "sane" person. Even an animal doesn't "kill itself". Now put that in your pipe.
What gives you any indication they are sane? We're talking about a group- Hamas, who took control of Gaza by MURDERING the elected government (Fatah), declares and wages ongoing war with Israel & now you want the Israelis to provide that government with the means to continue their aggression against everyone (including their own citizens) Somehow it is the responsibility of Israel to provide Hamas with food & goods? Hmmm, that's really rational. How about Hamas accepts the consequences of declaring war on their neighbor... Starve.
Gianni. This is the most racist statement I have ever heard.. anywhere.
We read your daily racist diatribe each day, against Israel. Your Arab thug-lords can do no wrong, Maggie, Just kill those Israeli civilians. As I stated, it is in the DNA. I didn't invent it, it is actually in the Bible (Esau hates Jacob).
unfortunately you look into the trouble and lie to yourself to explain things away. It is hobby. Shameful and permitted because of thick layer of Anti - Semites outside Gaza to whom killing or just rocketing Jewish people for entertainment is a favorite pastime. Look what happens when your Muslim brethren confused Twin Towers for Jewish homes... See how Christians have innate feeling for being bombarded at home? When suicide bombers were in full carnage in Israel nobody sounded a peep... If you are just arrogant it's could be forgivable naivete. But if you are venomous creature than shaming you is a waste of time.
Arab agression nothing to do with DNA, it's to do with the occupation, where ever you get occupation you will get resistance that's human nature.
how did she get this job? she has not got a clue about foreign affairs. in a way i am pleased that she got the position which automaticaly nulify the EU role. this leftist brit is just one in a chain of brussels idiots who can not get a job anywhere.
Lieberman is a former nightclub bouncer hired by the person who came second in the election.
Lieberman is a former nightclub bouncer hired by the person who came second in the election.
Why does the world complain to Israel and not Hamas in the first place? Why doesn't the EU complain to Egypt or Lebanon or Syria? There are 45,000 Eurocrats overseeing the collapse of the Euro today. It is incredibly arrogant of the EU to provide anyone else with any advice, much less plea with Israel about Gaza. Maybe Israel should stop supplying water, power and currency to Gaza until Gliad is released. I think Israel needs much better press, thus much better spin doctors -- Israel is simply losing the war of perception, not fact.
The FACTS do not support your argument. The propaganda machine has its limits and we've hit those limits.
will serve Hamas terror.
with Europe means that Israel can afford the ooccupation indefinetly.
Remember the 1930's and early 1940's. Do you think Europe should have a role in Israel's affairs. Think hard. Never again! They could care less about your interests.
She means well, but is in need of deflation as she is full of hot air.
I do like Catherine Ashton. The trouble is she has very little influence, and she and everyone knows it.
open crossings to arms, missiles and terror. i would never invite an ennemy to cross my door!
Ashton has about as much respect and credibility in europe and the UK as american imports of beer in the eu. I guess she got the best job her money could buy. If it was somebody with clout, say the prince of wales or the UK queen, it might carry some water, until then, Ashton should just realize she's a clown who paid for her degree from clown college with wooden nickels.
Who are YOU, Ms. Ashton, for demanding ANYTHING from Israel? The Palestinians voted in their terror group--let them vote them out and change their genocidal ways and THEN, perhaps, there may be change. Until then, the border is locked to those who wish to maim and murder the citizens of Israel. No apologies are needed on Israel's part whatsoever.
Just give it another 10,000 illagal settlers and a few dozen more criminal demolitions and you will see who is suicidal.
Perhaps their should be an inspection regime in place to prevent all weapons of terror from the whole region.
Anyone making the comment you just made has obviously never set foot on middle eastern territory. How nice of you to give your two cents from so far away...
Under the 4th Geneva Convention, Israel is an occupying power. As such it is its duty to allow freedom of movement. Some commentors seem to think that this means that Israel has to allow anyone to enter the country--it does not. Checkpoints and searches are legal under the 4th GC. But at the moment Israel is NOT doing that, they are refusing people the chance to even get searched before leaving Gaza. Recall the woman a few weeks ago who was not allowed to leave to continue her education.
to protect itself.
Thank you steve, I completely agree with you and that should not only apply to Israel , but also Palestine/ Gaza!. Not only Isreal has the right to protect itself, other nations should have the same rights !! -- peace
the State of Palestine. Does not exist.
Israel must tell Ashton that she isn't welcome. Israel must tell Ashton that Europe has enough problems of its own to mix itself into Israel's affairs. Israel must tell Ashton that the days that Europe was able to dictate to another independent country and make that country listen is long gone. Israel must let Ashton know that Europe is a dying civilization whose best days are long behind it.
Then Ashton must tell Israel, no more special low rate trading deals with the Eu , no more Israeli teams taking part in EU Leagues. No more support for Israel in the UN from EU countries. The list is endless, do yo really want that, because the way you're going that's what you're going to get
Really?! I dont believe that EU countries dont have "open" borders and that not everybody is allowed into countries. You want an open border for Gaza? Great... go to Egypt.. O wait, they dont want them either. Since closing the border with Gaza bombings in Israel and explosions that rip through buses, cafes and places where civilians are has pretty much stopped. So Miss Ashton will you condemn terrorists when they kill innocent people or only blast Israel for defending its people. Did you condemn Hamas for rockets fired or only Israel for the response? Does your country have a list for airlines to keep terrorists out? Does your country allow anybody to enter? I bet I know the answers to those questions. By the way, while you want us to open the borders can you get our solider back that (along with the rockets) sparked this in the first place. How about remedy the causes for the borders being closed instead of the defensive reaction.. O wait, that would take work.
Try entering Britain whit a non EU passport...
by RAF bombings.. Despite Allied prisoners being afforded visits by the Red Cross ,something Gilad Shalit is deprived
Why are you talking about history? And if you are talking history why not bring up that sweden did let Nazi army use swedish train in ww2.
You all have turned Gilad to a muppet that you pull from your hats in order to defend all actions that the government of Israel does. I believe that Israel shall remain a state but I also believe in a Palestinian state. But hey, thumbs up for lieberman and what he is doing, soon there will be a palestinian state, talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Release all the Palestinian children that you have in your jails and stop the occupation, only then you will have peace. Treat others as you want them to treat you, if you want to occupy, kill, imprison..you will get it back. so stop your useless rant and think as a human being.
With such a hostile policy by Hamas of jeapordising the very existence of the 3500 year old State of Israel by empowering it to be destroyed! Israel has every international right to defend her very survival in every way possible, despite Ashton' s imbecilic ideas.
europe should soon turn their back to an unwilling and uncompromising israel. palestinians cannot forever be victims of a state whose intentions are to oppress another people.
There is always and agenda with Unions. They are there to promote their own interests. They do not care about Israel or Gaza. They are opinionated liberals who do not think about the well being of Israel obviously.
This is the European Union, as in the economic and political untion of most of Europe. This is not a labor union!
So far, Israel has decided to allow into Gaza all items except those fit for military use. What remains of the "siege" is not allowing the Export of finished goods even if raw materials can come in, as well as the prevention of movement of Gazans in and out of that territory (irrespective of security considerations). The inability to export essentially destroys the Gaza economy, rendering the population destitute and in need of food relief. With exports, the Gazans will not be in need of relief and all future "flotillas" will become pointless. Here is a good way to end the "flotillas", just lift the rest of the "siege". And here is another reason: a legal opinion (by the UN's Human Rights Council): "The [Goldstone] Report states that Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed"- unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/0/9B63490FFCBE44E5C1257632004EA67B?opendocument . In any event, the prevention of ships going into Gaza is justified by security concerns. The ports of Ashdod (Israel) and El-Arish (Egypt) are near the Gaza strip and should be used instead.
After all, the govt that ordered the IDF to go Gang-Busters on Gaza without much concern for civilian casualties was also democratically elected. Does that make ALL Israelis fair game when it comes time to face justice upon the war criminals amongst them? I would suggest that by YOUR logic the answer is "Yes, all Israelis leaders are culpable for the war crimes of the IDF".and must stand trial for war crimes in Hague
after you attempt to compare life in Gaza with that of the Warsaw ghetto.
You aren't really that uninformed--Or are you? Gazans can walk out of Gaza any time they want--Oh I guess Israel controls Rafah crossing, not Egypt. Israel walked out of Gaza in 2007.
It is Abdul Nazer who made it in 1949,and not Israel, there is no Arab country where Palestinians are welcomed. Do sharpen up on your History.
Tony Silver, you are a fool. The Palestinians are at war with Israel. Europe's Jews were not at war with Europe.
Do you suddenly discover life ? Any people have the right to resist against occupation.
are very Welcome. It is the State of Palestine. Unfortunately, this state is being illegally occupied, illegally settled, illegally blockaded, its land confiscated, its leaders assasinated, its people murdered, bombed, shelled on a daily basis. And this has been heppening for decades. Ahston is trying to fix these problems and give the Pals the free and safe homeland they deserve.
Go and read your history books. Denmark successfully managed to smuggle their entire Jewish population from under the nazi's noses to Sweden the day before they were due to be deported to the death camps. In fact Denmark is the only nation to have the designation righteous amongst the nations. Go and ask Yad Vasem, and if you is going to quote history to suppport your argument, I suggest you learn some first. Quoting the events of the Holocaust means you have the duty and the responsibility to be 100% right otherwise the likes of David Irvine can gain traction when they deny it because people like you have muddied the waters.
What was the excuse for attacks against Jews from 1920 until 1967 -- BEFORE there was any "occupation?"
There would be no occupation if it wasn't for all the attacks against the Jews and Israel. "Occupation" is the effect of the ethnic war launched against the Jews of the region.
Your post has nothing to do with what SMF posted, dimbulb. "Rotten in the state of Denmark" is a colloquialism which is way above your head in this context.
"the State of Palestine." Has never existed! and canot be occupied.
It has, however, been 43 years since 1967. You seem to be stuck in time. The world has moved on. Try joining the 21st century and see how things have changed. For either side to be using violence against the other is unacceptable.
urges,request, implor but never ORDERS! because they know israel is always above all Laws.
Good comment. Wringing your hands doesn't exactly make your point.
If Israel thought it were above all laws it wouldn't exist. Israel is just like every country in Scandinavia and around the world: It has the right and duty to defend its citizens from terror attacks, whether that pleases you or not.
Agree, Israel do have the right and duty to defend its citizens, it is one of the primary things that forms a state. However, bear in mind that neither Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark or Iceland is at the moment a state which occupies territories, forms settlements or is performing an ethnic cleansing of another group. The Jews have suffered for a long time, they do have the right of an independent and peaceful state, but not at the cost of other peoples suffering. Two state solution is where it can works, if you have another idea please discuss but don't bring nonsense and inhuman ideas to the table. Peace out.
Are any of the state's in Scandinavia being threatened with destruction? I sthe legitamcy of their existence being threatened? Are rockets being fired from neghboring areas..Were Arab countries and Palestinians willing to accept Israel's existence BEFORE occupation? Occupation came AFTER Israel was threatened by destruction..In the Sinai the UN scurried away when Nasser told to was openly preparing to attack Israel... Gaza is only afew miles from major Israeli cities...Your comparisionis ridiculous
Why does some one not tell this lady to mind her own business and to sort out the problem in the EU.first.
Marlene truth Hurts
Maybe the USA and its allies should have minded their own business during WWII and let more Jews perish!?!! Dont be silly....any crime against humanity is ALL OUR BUSINESS!!
Okay! Hey, Ashton! Butt out!
it is her job to focus on other countries. FOREIGN minister.
Quote: Why does some one not tell this lady to mind her own business and to sort out the problem in the EU.first.". Marlene, thank you, these are truly words of wisdom. Let the lady mind her own flock.
and as members of the EU which givess Israel special trading allowances. As Israel is not behaing itself the EU feels the need to chatise this naughty baby. Get it Marlene.
The truth is there'd be no inspection of the goods if Hamas didn't use civilian Gaza as a launchpad for attacks against Israeli civilians. Wake up and smel the coffee.
especially when done at OTHER's expense, is CERTAINLY US & EU business. Without US & Europe, there would have NEVER been an a Zionist, fascist state.
Only when Israel tries to defend its very existence is it called a crime against humanity...Are Turkish attacks against Kurdish villages and Iraq a crime against humanity? Who is intervening there? Where is Ashton? What about Chehnya? In neither of the other cases are rockets being fired into either Turkey or Russia and the existence of those countries is and has not been questioned. But this is what Israel a geographically tiny country is facing. The Jews in Europe were not threatening Germany or anyone else. They were not fighting against any state or questioning their existence..They were simply rounded up and slaughtered...And...the US did not fight WWII to save the Jews..It did not even want to risk its bombers to bomb the train lines leading to concentration camps... Read a little history Javed.
Put some action into your words...
Yeah yeah yeah we have heard a thousand times these same words from both the EU and UN and all it got was another attack Israel had better proceed with caution. Wolves in sheep clothing. Watch out.
Israel withdrew from Gaza. Israel has borders with Gaza. Only Israel decides who and what crosses the borders, just like any other country. If Israel doesn't want goods and people coming out of Gaza and into Israel it's not Israel's problem. If a landlocked country like Switzerland attacked, threatened, sabotaged, destroyed, rained missiles on it's neighbors it would find its borders closed too. The Palestinian terrorists brought this situation on and until they are the ones dealt with the crossing will stay shut,.
No changes until the release/return of gilad, period!
and it is illegal. imagine us americans saying that we woudn't stop bombing afghanistian until the taliban's POWs are released.
The Palestinians launched a war, and their people suffer as a result. There is no such thing as a war in your own region where the civilians don't suffer consequences. The "collective punishment" claptrap is pure drivel. Anti-Israelis are stupid.
After all, when you are still the occupying power then you are, in legal terms, imposing a blockade on your own authority. Which is a manifestly absurd result.
Palestinian did not "launch a war". Israel did. Building settlements on other people's land, destroying their houses and expelling their popualtion are acts of war. Capito ?
The Gaza blockade is illegal. Per San Remo Manual, Section 102, a blockade is prohibited if "the damage to the civilian population is, or may be expected to be, excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the blockade." There are also numerous other requirements that Israel has not met, that are required for a legal blockade. Instead of continueing all your replys of hate and misinformation, you should first read the San Remo Manual. Here is a link: http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/57JMSU
We've been through this before, dumboy. There is no Israeli presence in Gaza. There is no Israeli government in Gaza. Hamas is the government of Gaza. You are a moron.
"Palestinian did not "launch a war"." Launched in 1920 by the Arabs against the Jews. Continual attacks against Jews until the Jews started fighting back in the mid-1930s.
"The Gaza blockade is illegal." No, it's not. "Per San Remo Manual, Section 102, a blockade is prohibited if "the damage to the civilian population is, or may be expected to be, excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the blockade." Since the rockets haven't stopped, that proportion hasn't been achieved.
Except the blockade is not illegal. What makes you think the damage is excessive in relation? The rockets haven't stopped yet. The declared state of war from Hamas hasn't terminated yet.
Meanwhile, your spewage doesn't indicate any illegalities at all. It's simply your subjective opinion that the "damage to the civilian population" is excessive. Meanwhile, rockets still rain down on Israel and Hamas is still in a formally declared war against Israel.
disservice to morons.
The Palestinians were in the West Bank before 1967 and did not build a state. The Arab countries attacked Israel. There were no settlements. It's comforting to read letters like yours because it confirms that the other side does not have a clue about what they are talking about.
The Palestinians were in the West Bank before 1967 and did not build a state. The Arab countries attacked Israel. There were no settlements. It's comforting to read letters like yours because it confirms that the other side does not have a clue about what they are talking about.
Very true.
comment proves that an individual with only 2 neurons may still poke at a keyboard and by chance hit on a few words that almost make sense.
"We've been through this before, dumboy." Tell it to Ashton, because she will give you the same answer that I did i.e. "it's an occupation, dumbass". That's the problem with your smug claim i.e. every govt on Earth agrees with me, and all you have on your side is some equally-smug dimwit called "steve" from New York. I think my hand is trumps, dumbass.
Must be nice to live in a place that is not surrounded by people who want to kill you Easy for these people to tell Israel not to secure themselves
You mean as opposed to living in Iran?
How long until Europe will be worrying about the same things Israel worries about?
live with it!
the battle is already lost....
Israel should retain control or supervision of what goes into Gaza...Based on the Lebanon experience, foreign observers certainly can't be trusted..And if Israel reacts to rockets fired out of Gaza, it risks getting into conflicts with EU or US observers. It would be a bad move
...to the last Israeli.
Does this mean the EU supports a one state solution or are they planning to open all their borders to the Turks and Africans? Are they also pressing Egypt to open their border with Gaza? I hope the close UN supervision is not by the same soldiers who closely monitor Hezbollah to make sure they can't re-arm
and say 'good-bye' to the historical and biblical State of Israel ?. Is Ashton really so stupid?
israel produces too many good products and medical advances for the modern world to turn their back on $ overules morality look at UK and the libya oil deal england was supposed to be a friend but they sold USA out for oil - think the world is going to NOT follow the same thing? wow, there's praticality and then your wacky ideas
Throw out the computer you used to write this drivel. If it has an Intel processor, Israel invented and produced it. If it's windows, Israel did a large part of the OS. Toss your cell phone (another Israeli invention) and if your taking meds, you may be consuming another product of Israel. Rest assured, however, all the BS you spout is pure Arabic and Eurabian trash. You/they produce it bby the ton.
Inventing the lightbulb and the wheel. Intel and Microsoft are US companies. They have employees worldwide, likely including Israel and other Middle-Eastern countries. The cell phone was invented in the US by Dr. Martin Cooper, of Motorola. He is an American. His parents are were born in Ukraine By far, most medicines are invented in US or Europe.
total bullcrap of course but good for trying. bill Gates founder of Microsoft is American. Intel is not an Israeli company and this computer with Intel chips was made in the USA. Cell phones were invented by an American called Martin Cooper working for Motorola. Lad Ashton is British prehaps Israelis and Israel firsters who disagree with her can show their contempt by boycotting jet engines, tarmac , vulcanized rubber, the computer, locomotive engines, corkscrew, Harpic, Heroin, television, the LCD screen, Tin can, Electric motor, Holography, sellotape, Supersonic transport, Microphones, Laewnmower, Float Glass, Adjustable spannerHigh explosive squash head round, steam turbine, Iris recognition, Lnear motor, Disc brake, digital Audio Player, Portland cement, Prime Meridian, Windup radio, world wide web, That is just a start. I'll continue the list if you continue lying.
Where should be Gilad Shalit in Ashton's plans?
be in Netanyahu's plans? I can tell you if you can't guess!
...with Israeli blood on their hands are in jail, where they belong.
Many could even be like 'Kuntar' fat and free, happily married with children, after the experience of becoming'a more knowledgable and educated person' while a prisoner in an in Israeli jail, contrary to Shalit held hostage and prisoner by Hamas and contravening all intnernational standards for POWs ......
why not residing in the Countryside Castle of Lady Ashton somewhere in England, all doors and entrances open to dungeons and cells where during England's warring years prisoners were held..? LadyAshton can also visiit these Palestinian Prisoners from time to time.....
And where are israelis with palestinian blood on their hands ? Still free and some of them govern this country. Justice ? i don't think so.
terrorists belong?
about this idiot who got himself captured... lucky the Pals didn't just be-head him like their Afgani brothers would have....
Shalit is a separate issue, as the article said Ashton will not meet with Hamas leaders as EU still regard them as a terrorist group. Only Netanyahu can secure Shalits release.
The dearest lady ashton is free to open all HER entrances to the molems terrorists that she worships so much... But the State of Israel must survive...Unless she would seat the offices of the e.u. in Sderot and Askelon,to enjoy hte blizzards of qassams and other rockets that her advise would bring
It's very easy for Ms. Ashton to ask for the unsupervised opening of the gaza passage points from the comfort and safety of her offices and home thousands of kilometres away from the reach of Qassams, Scuds and mortars. It's very different seen from southern Israel.
The EU is ignored by many member states, especially so when the security of their particular country is at stake. They have shown themselves ignorant in many areas