Argentina joins Brazil in recognition of Palestinian state
Argentine President sends Abbas letter stating it recognizes Palestine defined by 1967 borders; Uruguay says it will recognize Palestine in 2011; Israel calls announcement 'regrettable'.
By Haaretz Service and Natasha Mozgovaya Tags: Israel news Argentina Brazil Palestinian Mahmoud AbbasArgentina and Uruguay announced Monday that they intend to join Brazil in recognizing an independent Palestinian state, provoking sharp criticism from Israel, French news agency AFP reported.
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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas waves at the Palestinian Presidential compound in the West Bank city of Ramallah, Thursday, Oct. 14, 2010. |
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"The Argentine government recognizes Palestine as a free and independent state within the borders defined in 1967," AFP quoted Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman, reading a letter sent by Argentine President Cristina Kirchner wrote to Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas.
Shortly after Argentina's move, Uruguay announced that it too would recognize a Palestinian state starting from 2011. "Uruguay will surely follow the same path as Argentina in 2011," Uruguayan deputy foreign minister Roberto Conde told AFP.
"We are working towards opening a diplomatic representation in Palestine, most likely in Ramallah," he said.
The Foreign Ministry called the announcement "regrettable" and said that Israel viewed this decision with severity, and it would not help change the situation between Israel and the Palestinians.
A U.S. State Department official said Argentina's move was a "premature step [that] does not contribute to our common goal of a two-state solution."
"Negotiations are the pathway for the parties to see the realization of their aspirations - for the Israelis, security - for the Palestinians, an independent, viable, and sovereign state of their own," the U.S. official added.
On Friday Brazil said it has recognized a Palestinian state based on borders at the time of Israel's 1967 conquest of the West Bank.
The Brazilian Foreign Ministry said the recognition is in response to a request made by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas last month to Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.
Silva sent a letter to Abbas on December 1, saying Brazil recognizes Palestine and hopes that the recognition will help lead to states of Israel and Palestine "that will coexist peacefully and in security."
The announcements by the three South American countries came as Middle East peace talks were on a hiatus since the temporary settlement freeze ended in late September.
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Israel also appreciated recognition in 1948?? Anyone anywhere can declare statehood - the questions is, who will recognize it.
This is nonviolence in action. More nations will join. Soon the USA must determine where it stands. Can the USA continue to favor Israel's current leadership with all it's failures, or must the USA represent justice?
should be compensated by Israel.... if they are not allowed to return. Actually compensation should be paid bu USA, EU, Saudi Arabia, Iran, South Africa and Somalian pirates.
funny that the West Bank was annexed from Jordan, which, by the way is 78 percent of the Palestinian mandate, and so should have been called Palestine from the beginning. So if Israel withdraws from the West Bank, it's still administered by Jordan. And with all the money that has poured in from the US, the EU and the Arab League, the fact that there are still refugee camps in the West Bank reflects worse on the PA than it does on Israel. Let's not get blinded by this fad of sympathy with the Palestinian cause you Europeans. We all know it's just a hobby for you. Why don't you recognize an independent Chechnya? or Tibet? or South Sudan? face it. You have no idea. Maybe you just hate Jews AGAIN. or maybe you're not as smart as you convinced yourselves you are. Remember you thought the world was flat when everyone else was calculating its circumference a thousand years before.
Long live Palestine!
At last someone legitimize the existence of Palestine... Thats the way it should be 2 countries living side by side in peace and harmony... Since some Pal. and Israelis are not able to find their own refuge,let the world decide the solution... Either 2 countries or No country !! The people of both countries deserve to LIVE, and no matter how radical and conservative people of both delegitimize the other,they can't erase the fact that there are 2 distinct people living on the same land.
Palestine doesn't exist, so claiming you recognize it is akin to saying you see leprechauns and fairy godmothers
There were no 1967 borders only cease fire lines which ceased to exist once the shooting resumed or are they belatedly recognizing the Jordanian annexation of the west bank and Jerusalem?
these countries is no big deal in world opinions, they couldn't even solve their own problems in the "slums of Rio & the failing currency of Argentina" and how in a right mind can palestinians claim statehood without their soveriegnty of the land they are living, Israel by virtue of the the victory in 1967 war claimed the "spoils" which are the lands occupied by the loser palestinians; Sakhalin island was "possesed by Japan" but they lost the WW II so Russia took over the island( the spoil ) until now, no one contested that, but these s america nonsense people claimed otherwise with israel!
''A U.S. State Department official said Argentina's move was a "premature step [that] does not contribute to our common goal of a two-state solution." Could there be any doubt in anyone's mind that the US clearly supports Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands and have been directly contributing to their daily suffering?
did you know that argentinian Foreign Minister is Jewish? I thought you could find it interesting. Im argentinian by the way and happy about this declaration.
Pre- 1967 Six Day War borders were basically the 1947 Partition Borders. What a total waste of thousands and thousands of lives due to Arab stupidity. Why could they not have accepted this in 1947 ?
Speak the same language and use similar phrase "Regrettable, Premature", bunch of sickos with Hypocrisy at its best
are for peace.Land for Palestines, security for Israel. Two people, two states, as in 1948. Viva Néstor, viva Cristina Kirchner!
Thank you, Brazil. Thank you, Argentina.
Unfortunately I was born here in brazil, but my aliah is happening dec. 28th 2010 (yay!!!). Shame on this government that want's to play roles in subjects that not only are not of their concern, but prioritize the palestinian cause more than it's own miserable population. Don't be fooled by brazilian economic boom, our poor are still as poor as the poorest of Africa.
Now that the South Americans have recognized a Palestinian State? Perhaps the S. Americans could give them a little land to put it on ! Before you know it, Palestinians would be throwing stones at S. Americans, demanding more land, and blowing themselves up and all in the name of ' Peace' !
Excellent news! I hope the entire World recognises the Palestinian State based on '67 borders, then Israel nor its saviour USA will have have any choice.
Suddenly South America starts solving for successive Israeli governments the relationship with the Frankenstein of nationalist-religious settlement movement, and pushes both Palestine and Israel into the operation room where it will be surgically divided por peace and health at the 1967 borders (with minor land swaps). This is excellent news for Israel, if only Israel knew that it is. It solves the problem, and Israel has only to cooperate with the international community, thus defeating once and for all the intransigent, messianic right. Israel is also getting Palestine to have to become responsible in governance (as it has done in the last two or three years in the west Bank). Perhaps the only thing that it doesn't solve, is the Iranian province of Gaza. That must be dealt with immediately by -as the Saudi king put it- "cutting the snake's head".
This new is not worthy of being described as farce. Who and where this charade was choreographed? When will Israel present Palesinians and " Abrab Leaders " the new face of a " Palestinian Leader "? Who will it be? Barghouthy?
...if the world would recognize Palestine as a free independent state without Israel and the so called US! Their arrogance and lack of justice cannot help them but to express their regret when countries utter their voices to emphasize their support for freedom in Palestine. Unlike Israel and US who consider this a regrettable action that doesn't lead to a two-state solution, others find recognizing Palestine to be the only way to pressure Israel to end its occupation (which is as it sounds not an interest for Ms. America)!
I live in Argentina. If someone believes that these news will suddenly become of any use for the Palestinians is wrong. Our president is not even able to get to her appointed meetings on time, much less put her finger to point where the heck is Israel on a map.
Israel, know that your GOD will fight for you. Don't depend on your know-how to survive. Learn to depend on HIM , for HE alone is your protector. Nice day, Israel!
Is it any surprise that the countries that welcomed and sheltered the Third Reich's most wanted criminals fleeing Nazi Germany at the end of WWII might have an anti-Jewish agenda? They care not about the Palestinians, but the oil rich countries can certainly buy their loyalty as did the Nazis 65 years ago.
... that the Israeli Foreign Ministry even had the chutzpah to claim that this move violated the Road Map agreement....
It's the voice of history - our very own history - shouting back at us and saying 'why would you deny what was denied you for so long?"
Gee whiz folks.....if the Palestinians had accepted these borders in 1947 then all those lives would not have been lost. What are your comments about that ?
International isolation, boycotts, further increase in anti-Israel/anti-Jewish sentiments around the globe, and all of that for a few hills and rocks on the West Bank....no sane people in this world would choose so much trouble for (almost) nothing! Israel could easily become the darling of the ME (if not the whole world!), if the Israeli people, and her political and military leaders would finally find the strength to get away from old myths and legends and offer their hands for a just compro- mise with the Arab/Palestinian neighbours. Because in the end, there are only 2 options: Either you will lose most parts of the West Bank with a lot of pain, or with little to none pain, but that you will lose it one day, is as certain as the Amen in the church.....today it's Argentine and Brasil, in a few months it will be most European and Asian countries, and in a couple of years, it might even ben the United States of America. Definitely not worth it, please give it up.....
By signing on the PLO makes Oslo, the UN resolutions and former agreements null and void. Israel can declare the border to be the security fence including all of Jerusalem, and all Arab refugees go to neoPalestine. This will be the outcome of negotiations anyway. NeoPals will be closed off from Israel and can ship goods and travel out through the true Palestinian state--TransJordan. The PLO will form their governance out of Ramallah where it belongs. Rockets from neoPalestine equals shock and awe from Israel in return.
Anyone think that Obama will allow the UN SC to pass a resolution establishing a Palestinians State? Anyone think Israel would accept that resolution even if Obama somehow developed a spine? This beau geste by three South American nations might warm hearts but it has no chance of changing anything.
This is obviously a case of linguistics out-braining politics, because the fact is that Uruguay and Argentina already recognize the "Palestinian" state or they wouldn't be saying they will recognize it future.--LOL
If Israel isn't going to withdraw from WBank and EJerusalem then unilateral recognition of a Pal state is natural and necessary. Glad to see South Americans taking the initiative, and hopefully others will follow suit.
Palestinians take back the land they lost in the same way they lost it if they can ! I promise you the "Roadmap" is going to be a roadmap to Hell for the Palestinians . Israel has been tolerant toward the Palestinians but Pals take that tolerance for weakness. Sooner or later that will change. We don't care about propaganda and minipulated so-called World opinion. Its time to get really tough with Palestinians. Start by taking Gaza back !
The legal boundaries of a Palestinian state remain what they always have been: the borders set out in the 1947 UN proclamation that Israel accepted. So to recognize the pre-1967 cease fire line as the border is to concede a great deal in advance. If the 1967 lines are accepted, those will be the starting point for negotiations -- and we all know what will happen. So recognize the 1947 lines -- which are the only ones with any legal foundation -- and negotiate from there. Let Israel explain why she's entitled to more than half of Palestine -- not why she's entitled to more than 4/5ths of it.
I just hope that there is no hypocicy by any government and just like they keep their embassies to israel in Tel Aviv it follows that the Palestinians will have Ramallah. Perhaps Israel should show the way. P.S. Does Hamas recognise Abbas as the ruler of Palestine?
Israel should recognise the Falklands as purely British
This has been in the cards for such a long time, can anyone say that he is surprised. If in the end a Palestinian state alongside Israel is created, would anyone like to count the lives that were lost only because Bibi could not see beyond the end of his nose?
Most regrettable considering how much Israel has spent on YESHA. Shalom Ma'ale Adumim ! The Palestinian passport office is open Monday to Thursday.
Be careful what you wish for. A Palestinian state, Which Israel will NOT allow in the 1967 borders, means playing by international rule. If the pals ignite terror on Israels, Israel will have the full right of defense, with all that that implies, notwithstanding Judge Goldstone.
so what! they did it to appease domestic and foreign Moslems. I am sure that they wont like it if other states interfered in their domestic affairs.
when a unilateral declaration finds its way to the UN. Long live the Palestinian cause.
You have NO idea what is going on in the area .. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/04/abbas-ill-ask-israel-to-t_n_792038.html
Now try to get the land. If they want a "state" without land, great. Otherwise, Whatever,,, What a farce, the "palestinian cause".
Firs of all Israel must return to 67 borders, and offer refugees to return or a compensation (offer the choice).
haaretz is like a honey for arab bees here... They love to be on a Jewish site.. That is what I call REAL recognition!!!!
Reality is a much different story. Refugees ?? They get squat.
It means that the PA could sue in Argentine or Brazilian courts to recover tax payments due by Israeli citizens residing on property in Palestine. This should be the solution to the conflict: the settlers become permanent residents of the PA, it's fairly simple after all.
Chess Mate hopefully ...
Let's how a lot of States will follow this example. Next steps would be: elections on the whole territory, return of the refugees, and economic relationships with the neighbouring states.
And I'd be glad to see the EU among them, but unfortunately for some time we'll go along supporting the 'negotiation process' fraud...
Countries start withdrawing recognition from Israel. At that point, it'll be pretty hard to argue the writing isn't on the wall. It'll also be too late to do anything about it.
Since Palestinians exercise no control over Tel Aviv and never will. Recognition of Palestine forecloses on Arab dreams of 'river to the sea', just like the building the barrier does. Both actions destroy the dreams of fanatics and reassure the moderates.
so sad the world is so blind. the rest of th world doesn't realize by now that recognizing "Palestine" isn't the challenge - its getting the Palestinian to fully recognize Israel's existence and right to exist. When that happens - then peace will happen. until then, Israel is doomed to keep pushing this boulder up the figurative hill which is the Palestinians - only to have the naive and forgetful world help push it back down every time. Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay - you are only helping the revisionists and radicals and only harming moderates and rational people the world over! - WAKE UP!!!
while you are at it.. also look at Israeli response to that offer... wait .. there has not been any response from israel
"its getting the Palestinian to fully recognize Israel's existence and right to exist." The PLO offered an unconditional recognition of the right of the state of Israel to exist in peace and security back in 1993, Dan, and to this day has never repudiated that official act of recognition. Israel, of course, did not reciprocate, and still hasn't.
..I love you.
ARGENTINA CLAIMED THE FALKLAND ISLAND BUT LOST THE WAR AGAINST THE BRITISH, SO THE "SPOIL" BELONGS TO THE UK UNTIL NOW; ARGENTINA IS NO BIG DEAL LOSER!
only corrupted losers won't !
Why does not Israel define its borders?. As far as I recall the 1967 lines are 'armistice lines' Is it not time the maps on the near 2002 agreement be taken out, dusted and Israel will declare these are now our bounderies!!
Will a US veto make any difference when the number rises to 40 - It will be too late - but then Israel knows how to put a snowball in hell and not have it melt
The is a real effort in helping achieving the peace, Really the Palestinians deserve that. Power of Brazil, Peru, Argentina and Uruguay. and any other country who recognizes the State of Palestine.
Between foreign "recognition" and facts on the ground. If anything, the "recognition" by these states of a fantasy Palestinian State will simply make peace more difficult. Abbas, AKA the butcher of Munich, will bounce around as if he has a state while his people will see no change. The net result will be more aggravation and his final disappearance from the stage to go and withdraw the funds he's deposited in his swiss accounts. On the other hand, we can see Bolivia, Brazil, and probably Ecuador following Iran's lead given the funding Iran is giving through Venezuela. For Argentina, this is their way of trying to convince that Iran that acts of terrorism on Argentine soil by Islamist terrorists can always be forgiven, as long as the victims are Jewish. In fact, let's not forget Argentina was the refuge for thousands of Nazis 'rescued' by the Swiss and Vatican after the Holocaust. Some things don't change! And if you look at the new makeup of the South American governments, it ppears to be a "back to the future" scenario with the thecountries that were dictatorships through the 70s and 80s returning to their roots
Kirchner government is a good friend of Israel, and particularly this administration broke with Catholic Church. See that we have a jewish Foreign minister, and a former Education ministry. We live in peace jews, arabs, turks, armenians, and the rest. Learn from us
of this is that Latin America is growing up and it is showing it to the United States. Latin America is not dependent anymore on American investments. L America is not afraid anymore of US interventions. L American countries are growing in a pace of 7 or 8 percent thanks to China. The message of Latin America to the United States is very simple and clear. "We are still very good friends but we have other more wealthy friends...... Nothing personal friends ....but to hell with you" ( I bet Americans understand this approach. They invented it. Business are business)
Curious that Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay all hid Nazi war criminals after WWII.
We, the world must stand against Israel. Every nations must put pressure on Israel for the justice for Pals.
the Palastiniens gain a state! Recognizing the exact borders, though, is stupid.
or for ever he remain silent
with slight modifications:West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt. That's the way it was in 67
The answer would be this: Israel's legal position would be the same as that of Iraq in 1991, when it denied - at the point of a gun - the right of Kuwait to exist in peace and security within recognized borders.
Oops, another Islamic fundamentalist state. Or, wait a moment, that doesn't sound right..... could it be that not everybody is buying Isreali propaganda?
They can't have it both ways. If they want to engage in this exercise, they have to recognize western Jerusalem as Israeli and Israel's capital. And since the PA is "preudging the final status outcome" by initiating embassy relations with foreigh states "based on the so-called '67 borders" without first recognizing Jewish israel or entering a peace treaty with Israel, Israel should respond by massively increasing (by hundreds of thousands of apartments) Jewish settlement anywhere on the W. Bank they like, since Israel is now also free to "preudge the final status". Rescinding PA VIP travel permits and barring PA use of Israeli harbors, airports and crossings should also commence, as well as cutting off PA access to Israeli fuel, electricity and water supply, unless the PA ceases to initiate embassy relations with foreign nations. Perfectly legal - Israel has no duty to supply PA with anything if they want to be a hostile foreign nation. That includes cutting off the water, power and truckloads of supplies crossing Israel to enter Gaza. No duty to let anything in - Gaza is at war with Israel.
That would work wonders for Israel's image abroad, and would - surely! - puncture any and all attempts at deligitimization. So, yeah, I think that is exactly what Israel should do....
Well, big surprise! Looks like the old nazis that are hiding there in S.A. are alive and well. May God give them the just punishment they deserve.
A deal less than the 1967 borders will make a Palestinien state unlikely. But how about the alternative, a shared state with Palestinien majority of population within the next 50 years?
well they did harbor nazis. no wonder they support the palestinian state,
Israel's hard fought for strategic depth is almost non-negotiable and that's if all the Palestinians and their militant supporters finally draw up a real peace treaty that is very evident on a daily basis. Reviewing the current Palestinian propaganda (and that of their supporters) and their violent implied and realized threats, Brazil, et al shouldn't try holding their breath waiting for a Palestinian State with an unsupervised international airport. These countries clamoring for such a PA State are inexcusably out of touch with the reality of the above ground and subsurface Islamic-based terror that Israel has to face and deal with on a daily basis.
They already have a state call Jordania
All the nations of the world can recognized Palestine, but God the creator of heaven and earth does not.. If God is for you who can be against you?. You know by your prophets what comes next, God will defend you.
When you talk to God youre praying, when God talks to you, youre a Schizophrenic
leave god alone of your politics i do not think he hired you as his spoksman
The Palestinians may as well make Ramallah or Gaza City thier capital. Jerusalem will be off the negotiating table after this unilateral move on thier behalf.
This 2-state solution means that millions of Palestinians from the diaspora will move into the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinians already living there will consider this an unmitigated disaster! Where are all these people going to get housing, food, and jobs? Where will all the water and electricity come from that these people will use? Gaza is already extremely crowded and also has a high birthrate. Add a few more million people there and what will the situation be? The West Bank has many rich people living there now with big, fancy houses and luxury stores. Would these wealth West Bankers want millions of poor diaspora Palestinians moving into their neighborhoods?
Since my country refuses to lead, I am happy the rest of the world is taking the initiative in the peace process, so the Palestinians will finally have their own state.
They are a concoction of arch-terror kingpin Arafat. Does the world wish to award this corrupt thug ? NO WAY.
since when are ceasefire lines borders??
since when building in occupied terrorties and declaring occupied city as your capital against all int'l law okay... but i have this feeling in my gut that you know the answer to that.
If you are insisting upon LEGAL borders then it's back to the 1947 Partition Plan borders for you.
Jerusalem belongs to Israel.
This will most asuredly bring war. If Abbas spent as much time sitting down and negotiating as he has trying to circumvent teh negot5aiations for whatever teh reason of teh month is. Palis would have a state by now. Abbas is playing with fire and he is going to get burned.
Pres. Abbas is doing the right thing for his people and what do the Israelis do for their cause? they fight with each other. As more time passes by the less cards to play will Israel have.
The US and EU cannot undermine the will of the international community nor the laws of the UN.
If the Palestinian state is "legitimized" without Israeli cooperation it will greatly strengthen anti-Israel sentiment in America. At this point the hypothetical Palestinian state is likely more viable than Israel, long term.
If Israel controls the west bank and does not recognize anything like a palestinian state, it won't do anything to help solve the situation. It will just piss off Israelis.
Just hold th eline. Abbas is already talking about dissolving the PA if the peace talks don't resume. He is ready to hand the administration of the west bank (Judea and Samaria) back to Israel. That is the signal for Israel to annex those lands and consolidate into the New Israel that Moses wrote about when he led the Hebrews into the Promised Land.
On Friday Brazil said it has recognized a Palestinian state based on borders at the time of Israel's 1967 conquest of the West Bank. If that is the case then where are those borders? Jordan?
we the jews here in uruguay are very happy to hear this news. israel the land i love must stop being the bad boy from the world
Awesome!!!!!
abbas sure looks weak but I think this step will make him stronger in the eyes of palestinians
Now we see Israel start quoting the Oslo Accord that they have repeatedly violated. God bless the two independent states living side by side in peace.
It will be quite telling to see Obama's reaction to this. It is doubtful, given his deal with Netanyahu, that he will follow in recognizing Palestine. Interesting days ahead.
"It is doubtful, given his deal with Netanyahu," Would that be the deal that Bibi still hasn't even brought before his cabinet? That one? Ahem. Israel has to "accept" a deal before it becomes a "done deal, and it is looking more and more likely that Israel *won't* ever actually get around to accepting it. So where will that leave Obama, Steve?
life on mars but thankfully it is not up to them to decide.
Soon to be filled...
While directly this changes little for Israel's control but if it continues then it puts US globe influence at risk and Republicans will take action, while Democrats will try to keep Obama in check and Tea Party will be looking to cut Israel's and other foreign aid in half.
All that money poured into the settlements, for nothing. Oh, wait, that is America's money.
Nada.
These are all leftist leaders. This 67 borders is a joke. So palestinians should get the jewish quarter and the western wall. This after they destroyed the jewish quarter after they took it over in 48. The 67 border was a war armistace not final borders. The UN had originally wanted no one to control it and now these leftist borders think palestians should get control over the whole old city. Jews were a majority in eastern jerusalem before 48. There wasn't even a palestine it was jordan. These declarations are worth nothing not even the paper they are written on. Never minding the fact that you have hamas in gaza who praises the fire.
I'm not trying to attack anyone here,All I'm trying to do is state a view regarding whats going on in this part of the world... What do you know about history? Pals. have lived on these lands for centuries before the Romans expelled you.. Don't you believe in people other than yourself?! There are people out there that want to live,its not just about you living your life with your hopes high in the sky while people's hope is to get a piece of bread from the Israeli's sympathy.. Palestinians have been expelled in 1948 they have been scattered because of the Israeli occupation on more than 50% of their land,no one ever denied your relationship to this land but also the land belongs to other people,if the rest of the world thought like you do then there would be no peaceful interaction between one another,only wards bursting because of radical mentality that doesn't believe that the other exist... I wonder what would the Americans have done if they didn't have the French to help them keep the British off.. I wonder what would have the world done if Hitler was still alive.. This idiocracy of your limited mind have prevented you from realizing the truth that some people out there are meant to be alive,and to flourish.. Not just you !! We are in the 2010, so get a life and try to look for other solution rather than referring to the past,if you want to refer to the past then how about you referring to the times before 1948 when the land was called Palestine... Accept the fact that there will be a two state solution with or without Israel's consent about this... There will be a Israel and Palestine, you will have to accept this fact sooner or later, There will be peace whether you accept it or not.. with people like you ! hahaha.. To hell with peace if it's masked
Gee , I wonder how the diplomats that run Israel will respond----make more enemies as usual.
wither Israel accepts that or not, wither the USA wanted that or not, the Palestinian state will be independent as of Aug. 2011, hell comes or high water, we will be free. Amen
they can say what ever they want but fact is it is up to Israel to decide if pals are ready for anything...
The plans for a binding recognition of The State of Palestine are still on track, despite Wiki Leaks distraction. Progress continues while Bibi refuses to freeze settlement construction that Israel agreeded to freeze under Road Map. An internationally recognized State of Palestine will happen with or without Israel.
This is another dream dressed up as a real progress ..... The reality is that the Palestinians have been abandoned by the Arab "moderate" leadership and the PEACE process is DEAD.... The fallacy of Peace between two peoples that do not want peace is finally coming to an end. Also, the veil has been lifted by Wikileaks about the true face of the Arab leadership! They are cowards and there is no way to say it any better.... These so-called leaders such as Mubarak, Abdullah and the rest of the Bedouins are too busy kissing the royal behind of the US and FM Liberman.... These leaders are divorced from the "arab" cause of Palestine....They have left this cause to Non-Arab Turkey, Iran, Brazil and Argentina.... I love the Wikileak documents.....they show Mubarak for what he is: a complete tyrant and an active collaborator! They show Abadallah living in a gold palace while his "arab" brothers are living in squalor in refugee camps. Nothing will come of these announcements and there will be no peace in the middle east before a big war to clear up the ambiguity of the last 50 years. All the world can do is to STOP SELLING WEAPONS to this region....
Recognition of Palestine negates Palestinian claims to Israel under international law. Hallelujah.
Reason to rejoice indeed less then astute one.
Quote it....
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The Domino Effect will prevail.
Viva Palestina!
Really? What do the worldly Brazilians propose be done about the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem? Not inside the '67 lines. What is special about the '67 lines? Only that it is the land not conquered by the State of Israel in 1949. How does a useless definition like that help? How is that even logical?
Eventually Israel should move behind the borders it wants and then recognize Palestinastan. Finally, the Palestinians will be held responsible if they attack Israel. Then Israel can fight back and aggression and defeat Palestinastan and occupy it as an enemy state and like with the Germans and Japanese after WW II help it become a responsible country.
Please my friend, I dont know who or what sucked you into believing writing "Viva Palestina" would be a sane thing to do, but I advise you to wake up from your fary tell and wake up to reality because these talkbaks are just getting more pathetic by the day. Have you ever visited Israel?
as palestina... only Israel
Hector Timerman is the son of journalist Jacabo Timerman, who lived in Israel for a time, following his release by the Argentine military junta in the 70s. I'm not sure, but I also understand that another of Jacobo's sons, David is, or was, residing in Israel, possibly, Tel Aviv. (The foregoing is for trivia buffs--among others.)
Timerman must also prove he is more Catholic than the Pope
was Jewish--which was one reason he fell afoul of the Junta--along with his newspaper La Opinion--which was quite critical of what is now widely recognized to have been terrible excesses of repression visited on the Argentine people in what became known as "The Dirty War." (Of course, I know what you are insinuating about his son's motives, but I wouldn't know about those, sir--although you, sir, may very well have impeachable sources at the very highest level of the Argentine state.)
the forendg ministry is right, this wont change nothing, just like Im telling to some left wing friends back here in Brazil.
1. Israel was recognized unilaterally by UN General Assembley in 1947 w/o any word from Arabs countries or native population living in that region... so why not Palestinian State? 2. if someone wants to say that this goes against Oslo Accords... remember PM B. Netanyahu himself said that Oslo is null and void... 3. 43 years of peace talks nothing... from 1967 to 1985...even before Hamas/Hezobllah... why wasn't there a settelement? How come giving Sinai to Eygpt worked??? 4. Lastly, will this rationale and logical question/arguments will be published by Haaretz? They keep banning from this post... I feel like a left wing in Israel and a citizen in an Arab regimes....loool
Amounts to zero through. Even Israel will recognize a Pal state. Just not on 67 borders or a return of so called refugees.
i hope canada and the US because then we can see who's really against democracy and human rights
The EU and Turkey will most probably do the same and recognize a Palestinian state next year. If Israel can break a deal on the roadmap agreement by continuing to build the palestinian side can not be held to the 1995 agreement.
and Israel should just annex the areas it wants to annex. You're never getting Jerusalem. Get used to the capital of Ramallah.
The Dutch government is surely to fall over a possible Eu-recognition of Palestine. Exit mr. Wilders.
Up to Israel not to them...
The world expects a Palestinian State to be created this 2011. If Israel continues with its idiocy and greed and don't freeze the settlements, most of the countries of the world will be forced to recognize Palestine based on the 1967 border. The world is fed up with Israel's stupidity.
your beloved Greater Israel is dead---
Not that you'd recognize the irony of such. After all, zionists wouldn't recognize "irony" if it walked right up to them and gave them a quick kick in the happy-sacks.....
It is a blessing for Israel and the Palestinians, and it will make Israel's Prime Ministers and governments, not guilty of failing to cater to nationalist-religious settlers. A fait accomplis is exactly what Israel needs, and what Palestine needs too. They will rant and ravel, of course, unable to see the enormous brachah this really is.
How do you figure that?