Arabs states may ask UN to recognize Palestinian state if settlements continue

1) Palestinians declare state 2) They ask for U.N. recognition 3) U.S. vetoes their 'state' in the U.N. 4) Military skirmishes escalate. It is obvious how that would play out, and it would not be in Israel's favor. If Netanyahu can't reach a deal he needs to resign.

Sounds great. Why is this considered a threat? Let the Palestinians declare a state. It will be so much easier to conduct negotiations between two states than between a state and an ethnic group. In any case the Palestinians will have real passports, real diplomatic relations and they can celebrate having a homeland. The exact borders can be figured out later. If the Palestinians want peace they should declare a state.

Go ahead to UN ...Some Arab leader need to be removed...they are traitors to the Arab cause!!!

give it a try...

So what logic do these cumulative geniuses come up with now? More of the same illogic of incitement and non-recognition of a Jewish State in what they sincerely believe to be part of the heartland of Islam and a future resurgent Caliphate. As didn't their prophet who was scared of heights mount his glorious flying horse Barak and land in a distant mosque in Jerusalem even though this city didn't have a mosque there at the time? It all makes perfect sense in their dysfunctional minds.

What happens day 1 after independence? Do the palestinians seriously think that 500,000 jews will overnight pack their bags and move to Israel without a fight ... will the UN send in soldiers to forcibly remove them? There is no way the UN wants to get involved in the issue of Jerusalem if its not dealt with through negotiation even Obama wouldn't be able to deal with Jerusalem issue if its not negotiated. The UN cannot deal with transport or things like water rights and power generation. If a deal is forced onto Israel out of spite it will never give the palestinians a corridor through Israel connecting the palestinian state. It will probably be made very difficult for palestinians to enter Israel full stop and the UN cannot force Israel to provide them with a transport link or let them enter Israel. So if the palestinians wanted to travel between the 2 parts of their state they would Gazans would first have to go to Egypt and fly to Jordan and from Jordan to Judea Samaria and its the same the other way. Even if they build airports in Judea & Samaria and Gaza its still a major trip to cross between both sides of their state rather than just driving a couple of hours direct through a corridor that crosses Israel. The UN cannot deal with issues like water rights and Israel will not be generous with water. Israel would cancel the work permits for tens of thousands of palestinians overnight and there is nothing the UN can do. The UN can't solve the problem of the so called refugees and the palestinians won't drop that without a fight. Israel legally or not would control the border. Airspace would be argued on avoiding another 9/11, the land and sea borders to stop weapons being brought in to be used against Israel. The palestinans have no military and there are very few countries who would be willing to sell them any weapons to fight Israel. The UN can create an arab state on paper but they cannot create peace and war will almost certainly break out and it will be very difficult to bring to an end. If its peace we are looking for the only solution is for the palestinians to NEGOTIATE which means BOTH sides give and take to reach an agreement anything else will lead to an arab state which will never be viable ( even based on negotiation is debatable if it will be viable ) but it will certainly not be viable any other way, its economy won't be going anywhere if Israel refuses any kind of land crossing, there will be a war. -- up to the palestinians do they want to act responsible get a state based on agreements with Israel or do they want to be like children, refuse to negotiate and get a non viable entity putting them in a worse situation than they are now.

War begins when two people, two neighbors, two states, or two nations stop talking and are unwilling to compromise. When one side or the other feels they are about to loose the war then and only then do they want to talk and compromise. Just ask any attorney or divorced couple.

And, what if this new state asks for NATO assistance to maintain its security?

As an American(Jew), while its not my place to decide, have no problem with the Palestinians doing whatever it takes to end this political quagmeyer with only two conditions. The PA must announce that the Jews in their state will be afforded citizenship and equal rights in their state, and that the state of belligerancy between the nations of Israel and Palestine are over. That being said, Israeli citizens are free to visit their holy sites in the west bank, and the Palestinians will be able to visit their holy sites in Israel.

What do they mean by "may"? They should be firmly planted in front of the UN building right now demanding it!

what do u mean by what said about egypt? Egypt want areal peace in our area! we r seeking for that since 1979! i think that israel shd listen to world appeals to stop settlments.....i hope that israelies r serious in peace process!

Look's like someone in A L does learn something from the news and a precedent set in Kosovo. Want to know what that precedent clearly is? Then google "Kosovo" or "Hillary Clinton Kosovo" and checkout Wiki on same. Put it altogether now. That's Right. Goooood. Good. Boys and Girls. You are so smart. Now apply what you have learned from this search to 2 state plan in Middle East. Get it???? Well Duh!!! It is about time.

if to date, the arabs agreed to a negotiated settlement for statehood and will then break it by declaring one unilaterally, this should then finally rid Israel of all agreements since the cursed Oslo accords. the arabs will just end up like their brothers in gaza. those arabs in the west bank will never have a future under this arab leadership just like the last one. as the saying goes, the arabs never seem to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. the most recent goal of coming to a final agreement is 1 year, yet Abbas and the arabs have chosen to not sit down and negotiate for nearly 2 years, so again they've thrown out an opportunity. maybe they know that due to not having anything to offer to society other than terrorism, murder, manual labor and only demands of others, they'll look to blame Israel and the Jews for their own created woes, which is what the other arab/muslim states do to keep themselves from being to blame for their failures. This aid dependent arab entity will fail in a year or 2, and the arabs will again be begging for the prior missed offers that Israeli governments have made. But hopefully just like after the arab intifadas the Israeli governments have learned, and the arabs will again be offered less than then could have obtained before.

Of course, details of that are issues, borders, etc. The big issue issue is peace. There is plenty that the Arab States could do in that regard but not a thought of that nonsense!

Israel would expect an automatic US veto, but that would place Obama in the position of torpedoing something (a Palestinian state) that he has previously stated he supports. Not a good look, Obama, not at all.......

Arab nations may seek United Nations recognition of a Palestinian state if Israel continues to build settlements in the West Bank.

The UN recognized the State of Israel in '48, it can recognized the Palestinian State in 2010. That original action established the borders of Israel. The UN, US and the rest of the world should recognize the Palestinian State based on the pre-67 border defining the West Bank. Israel has become irrelevant. As usual Israeli's can't see past their greed. I am so disappointed as I see Israel has reverted into a two-bit immature country.

Given its unending failure, the PA need to go away, we don't want a PA or Netanyahu state. We have enough repression, we need to fight occupation and get the rights the way other repressed nations have done it. First, palestinians need to end the politics of begging the americans and the israelis.

This Israeli government is backing Abbas into a corner and I think it is an excellent time to declare Palestine as a state. I would support the move 100%.

Since when has it been UN's business to recognize a state?

Abbas is using this as an excuse. Israel should never have allowed Jordan to establish Arabs in the WBank and East Jlem in 1948 when Jordan illegally kicked Jews out of houses and put in Arabs burning temples and churches. This group claims begin from then and in 67 Israel took back what is rightfully theirs. Arab attack caused the need for settlements from a people Pal Arab that never existed before Israel. Too bad for the Bedouins who became part of the Mufti Husseni and his nephew Egyptain born Arafat's madness. They will have a terrible life under Islamic control and the Arabs in E. Jlem know it

I hate to say it, because generally I like the US. But if it wasn't for the US the UN would have done what it's supposed to do and sorted out the whole Israel/Palestine mess decades ago. Well never too late to chaneg for the better. Maybe after the mid-terms Obama will get some balls and stick it to the Tea Party and Fox TV nutters by telling his UN envoy to abstain from votes about Israel and Palestine.

It is plain to all that the world community wants an independent and safe Palestine - next to an independent and safe Israel. Even the US wishes it so. Except, that is, for Israel. Just give the Palestinians a tiny little bit - that's all we are asking. Then leave them alone and stop bullying and humiliating them. You will feel better for it and people around the world might start to like you again.

be assured the US will veto it. It may issue a mild rebuke of Israel for their ongoing provocations but they will not allow the "special" relationship to be broken even by the most egregious violations.

Israel should unilaterally accept a Palestinian State. And since the Palestinians repeatedly admit they have absolutely no interest in good faith negotiations, we should accept a Palestinian State as follows: full recognition; finish the border; issue work permits to Palestinians inside Israel ONLY if there is no alternative and after a full and complete security background check; exchange dunam for dunam so no one feels spited the Arab Triangle in the Galilee for settlement blocs as the "Israeli Arabs" have been rioting for; disassemble and reassemble Joseph's Tomb inside Israel, same with Rachel's Tomb; disassemble and reassemble what's left of the old Jericho Synagogue inside Israel; eliminate immediately all infrastructure assistance; since there will be more money available to the Pals (what their leaders don't hide in Swiss banks), they can build their own health facilities and schools so no need for free access to ours; it does NOT matter if the Palestinians recognize us a Jewish State for we have no reason to recognize them as an Islamic State even though Abbas has promised to make a Palestinian State judenrein; make it clear that even the slightest attack from their State will be deemed an act of war and treated accordingly; suggest to all of Israel's Sternhell's and Levy's that they now move to their new State; suggest to Haaretz that it move to Ramallah where its ideology is more accepted; And let us wish them well!

Pals will never declare their state unilaterally because this act will make them to recognized Israel on the other side of green line by default and take care of their own refugees. They avoided such step by all means in the past - and now they will do? Please.

"It also expressed hope that the United States would pressure Israel to extend the construction freeze." Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Sure they will.......

sounds like a plan...unless its not possible to recognize a palestinian state before the borders are settled...then its same old same old again (yawn).

Followed by an immediate US Veto. Game Over.

Since when has it been UN's business to set up new country and set the borders?

The current Israeli government was elected to prevent peace and a final settlement. It makes sense to look at other options. In 1948 Arabs were not willing to negotiate and settle. Now the Israeli government is in rejectionist mode.

Explain why this has not happened in the past please !! Haaretz please dedicate an article on this topic. Shalom and thanks

What about the idea of indirect negotiations to set borders and to thus resolve the settlements issue. Once the borders are set Israel could be allowed to build in the settlements that fall on the Israeli side of the border. After this direct talks could recommence.

there is nothing left to lose, really...and then demand the release of the palestinian prisoners of war in israeli prisons, beginning with marwan bhargouti. palestine will need strong leaders to bridge the fatah-hamas gap.

This will give the Arabs the psychological feeling that they have finally achieved something, and can now turn to face their only enemy, which just took over Lebanon entirely yesterday. Declare the Palestinian state and move on to face reality.

Hey, if war is what the muslim horde really wants so badly, let's not leave the job half finished this time. They seem to always have a very short memory of having their asses handed to them the previous time they tried to continue the legacy hitler bequeathed to them. Don't leave any of them around to try again. The world does not need this barbaric warmongering intolerant branch of the human race. And the silent majority of "good muslims" are guilty too by complicity, just like the "good germans" who did nothing to stop the holocaust. Complicity is silent consent, which makes them just as guilty as the those who kill in the name of their so called god allah.

So ask already! What’s stopping you? A word of caution, make sure it’s the general assembly otherwise the good ol' US of A will attempt to block as usual. What do you think? I'm just curious.

But it doesn't seem to change anything. Since when Israel cares about UN decisions?

If the Arab League had agreed to the UN proposal that had been agreed to by the Jews in 1947, but was then rejected out of hand, by the Arabs, the Arab League could have avoided all of this trouble, in the first place. But since the Arab League chose to eliminate Israel in 1948, and on many occasions thereafter, the Arab league will just have to suck it in, and cope.

to protect Israel and to kiss up to AIPAC.

The only way to successfully force Israel not to build on stolen land and to recognize the 1967 borders is to stop all financial aíd, economic previlegis, cultural exchange between USA, EU and Israel. The Jews have a good feeling for business and privilegis and they will never allow to loose them.