Aid for Gaza must be delivered by established land routes, UN says

Suppose that palestinian people have every thing they need. However be sure that we are ready to live at the most minimum needs for life , if we get red for ever of israeli oppression and occupation. Freedom and self determination are our (and may be your) greatest hope.

Ever since Ariel Sharon decided to cede Gaza resulted not only great hardships to the settlers who were encouraged to live there by successive Govt,,and after 40 years developed a vibrant society with all the infrastructures that helped the Palestinians who worked side by side with the settlers,with no problems at all.Once the barbaric Hams took over,they destroyed all the structures,the HOT HOUSES donated for them. What did they do? Instead of benefiting from all of it,they turned the place into qassams launching pad.While the 8000 settlers to this day are still without real homes,children traumatized,divorces ...and dire circumstances. Great job by Sharon wasn't it? I call it SHARON'S FOLLY. To the present:Hamas and Gazans are neither straving,nor are they short of the wherewithal.The world gives then monies and they spend it on weapons...their asking for CEMENT it is not for buildings,to improve further their way of life,but to build more tunnels to capture IDF soldiers,as they did with Gilad (who by the way)was on the Israeli side and there was no fighting at the time. The flotillas are not coming to help.bu more hindering any process toward Hamas to change its stance ridding themselves of their charter,recognize Israel's sovereignty,not presume the whole country belongs to them,and become normal.There are among Gazans who are sick of the pressure put upon them with its fundemental strictures,but dare not raise their voice for fear.Let the flotillas come,it will not change the reality on the ground unless Hamas changes.The blockade is not going to be lifted by the say so of the corrupt UN,or any other one. It behooves some people to think before judging when they visit Israeli websites as armchair ignorant warriors..Makes me laugh on reading some who have never set foot in Israel,or anywhere in the ME not counting BAHRAIN etc.

Im so glad I stumbled on your post its like you are so starry eyed full of admiration for those "human beings" on those adventurous boats smelly without showering for days and you admire them.. besides you also admire the scum of the earth who is unemployed and yearn for publicity to be noticed thats how far these scumbags will go to get it even supporting Hamas there ya go still starry eyed?

Hey Ted. While you are asking your dumb rhetorical questions, spare a thought of remembrance for the nuns murdered by Palestinian terrorists and their Jap friends in Lod airport in 1972.

like the Turks. religious folks have been arrested before you know.

Maybe they should dock in Ashdod and remain nice little nuns bringing aid.

How many billions in dollars in aid has the US funneled to the 'Palestinian terrorists and their Jap friends' since? About as much as we should continue to give to Israel, I would say.

So that's your solution-sink the ships.The rest of the world would never have thought of that.So smart so simple, so TYPICAL.

You do not get the point. "Should not" is conditional. Everyone is that the flotilla is merely a continuation of the policy of opening up Gaza by other means. Sinking the ship is not relevant. What is relevant is the political effect it causes to pave the way to open up Gaza.

Are you talking about the neighborhood bully which completely withdrew from Gaza then endured an increase in rocket fire?

The Cuban Missile Crisis lasted less than a month and the blockade was even shorter. The risk to the US was existential. We were building fallout shelters. The USSR had put nukes in Cuba in response to the US putting nukes in Turkey. The Gaza siege is 5 years old and counting. There is no existential threat to Israel, except from its own politicians. You need to read some real history on the issue of Cuba. You obviously did not experience it.

for you

who turned green houses into weapons,

Turkey claimed all who bordered their flotilla ships went thru inspection- and what? There were 50 armed passangers.

Every time a ship violates international laws, it needs to be stopped and investigated throughly!!!!! Next time is might be worse, so i wouldn't count on it.

And of course let them uphold it in Kurdistan, Sudan and other places wheer Muslims continue masacra of minorities.

Would you also contend that "world politicians" have failed to uphold the Geneva Convention by allowing rockets and bombs to rain down on Israeli civilians and that they have failed by allowing hostile Arab/Muslum states to wage and threaten war and human annialation against the population of Israel?

What have all the flotillas GAINED SO FAR? There was only one and that was the turkish mistake ending in diasater for Erdogan.The rest tried,but changed their minds.Like Iran.Lybya adhered to the rquest and docked at El Arish. And then all was forgotten.A FLASH IN THE PAN FOR SURE.

and more security...less likelihood of longer range rockets that can hit every Israeli city in the hands of hamas. until hamas recognizes Israel as a Jewish state and accepts her right to exist as a Jewish state, the blockade should remain in effect.

thats what we gained!

Every little bit helps.Less is better doncha think?

who checks cargo going to Israel for weapons? Are those weapons only used for self-defense? Why should the people in Gaza not be allowed to defend themselves? Are Israelis the victims of Palestinians, or the other way round? Does might make right? Not in my book

Does the P.A. have the right to check cargo going into Israel? Does Brazil have the right to check cargo going into Russia?

protect themselves

Keep dreaming. That's why you still have no State.

Only a few fanatics are ready to die for you for HAMAS, the rest of the world are watching. If you want to be free you have to find a different way like to make peace with Israel. This fight is about you and me, not the world and Israel.

but most of it ends up in Hamas hands ... better have a closer look at your brothers in Somalia -they have nothing and nobody in the arab world cares!

This flotillas are existancial threat to Israel. Israel has no luxus to pay for this cost. Israel simply is sending messages to the world don!t ask for trouble. Don't interfere to troubles that does not interest you. If you interfere than be ready to take the consequences.

Look it up

Also: Helsinki principles on the law of maritime neutrality says: 5.1.2(3) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search, capture or diversion.

Check the Helsinki laws. Check the Geneva conventions, its all in there, stop making up nonsense. Besides, any group that controls a piece of land and openly declares and acts upon its intent to destroy its neighbor can not only be blockaded but attacked. Many countries carry these things out routinely. What do you think Turkey is doing to the Kurds? Try delivering some aid to Kurdistan Mr. Nivin. Gaza is not a soveriegn state.

If you did you might notice the "armed conflict at sea" part of the title......

...defend itself from other peoples right and their very existence you mean?

Read the mandate of Palestine, former owner of the land was The Ottoman Empire then the League of Nations, and then the British Mandate of Palestine (1922) was made for Jewish homeland, Landowner from 1948 Israel, Never the so-called Palestinians. The so-called Palestinians are not mention I UN Res. 242, 338.

What stolen homes and land? Can you tell me where it stands that Gazans has the right to enter Israel? And why are you not mentioning Egypt’s blockade of Gaza?

Ya, great way to attract attention by having boats come over with so called "peace activists" and then start attacking Israeli Soldiers...What the world doesnt see is that the Israeli people are peacful people and all they want to do is live their daily lives without fear of being killed...Why should they just let boats come through when in the past they already stopped boats that had weapons...

Gazans who started out in other cities and towns and were dumped behind the wire in Gaza by the IDF. Those ones perhaps.

That freedom? No. You can't have it.

Egypt's blockade is not the one that counts. Israel is the occupying power over the Gaza strip and it's people, air, water, entry exit....etc.

is. In fact that the arab countries offer so little to the Palestinians is an indication of the low esteem they have for the Palestinians. why the Lebanese have kept them locked up since 1948

OH, JUST PIG HEADED. ITS NORMAL FOR ISRAELIS.

And letting weapons in is not in interest of anybody including the people of Gaza . As for Egypt , they are more aggressive with Gaza then Israel since they know who the Hamas is . So there is nothing muscly , or pig-heady here , just plain necessary logic . heady

If there was no blockade Gaza would become an Iranian stronghold and terrorist port on the Med. Weapons and rockets would be shipped in by the ton. Nop we are not pig headed or trying to flex our muscles. We are just trying to protect ourselves. Do you forget that both Hamas and the Iranian goverment have sworn to wipe us out.

No John we are not pigheaded. We just want to defend ourselves. If Gaza was an open port it wouold very soon become an Iranian opening to the Mediterrean Sea. Tons of rockets and other arms to be used against us would be shipped in. You of course have no understanding of the situation. Maybe you should come and live in Southern Israel where it was normal for Israelis to be rocketed day after day. Is that normal enough for you.

The issue is not whether or not the blockade is worth it, but rather if it is neccesary. We have to remember that before operation cast lead, Israel was being hit with rockets on a daily basis. The operation run to at least partially disarm cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and hundreds of lives. Weeks later, a boat litterally full of weapons was stopped trying to smuggle guns into Gaza. These guns are not used for self-defence, and ten thousand automatic weapons can do a whole lot of damage. So the question isn't if this is worth it. The blockade is not done out of spite or punishment, but out of self-defence.

That works best for all so let it be. Palestinians said no to a contiguous state in 1947 why should Israel make up for their lack of political prowess?

The crossing at Egypt is not "open"- Israel decides what goes in and out STILL no building supplies etc... The blockade is about control of Gaza, Israel is not pig=headed, they are OCCUPIERS , and Gaza must be surrounded to be controlled

You have a problem with that? The fact is since Syria and Iran has armed Hezbollah achieving parity with Israel, or at least ensuring the damage to israel will outeweigh any gains Israel would make in invading Lebanon like it did in 1982. Israel has stopped invading Lebanon, in fact apart from the violations of 1701, overflights and the continued occupation of Ghajar Israel has cceased threatening lebanon. As for Iran achieving parity with Israel prehaps that will force Israel to seek peace. Worth a try

One you can expect from someone who has had too much exposure to high altitudes resulting in too little oxygen reachin the brain. Isreal stole the land and is delaying its return to its rightfull owners. All this agreements/policies/talks and political hogwash merely clouds the realities. You need to return what you've stolen or the victim of your theft will want to take steps necessary to take his/her property back. - End of story. As if to hate Israel for its crimes makes you an extremist...please spare us the official CNN rhetoric.The world is smarter than that......and really has a surplus of armchair intellectuals who gather their opinions from fox/CNN news. The Palestinians are freedom fighters and have every right to fight for what has been taken from them. Zionsim is the extremist ideology and is an indictment on free thinking Jews. Bulldozing someone's house in the middle of the night while their kids are sleeping in it and then be surprised if that person declares war on you shows the level of insanity this Zionist ideology has reached. But yet...we cannot condemn too hard or we'll be called anti-semites blah blah blah....That card has been played so many times it's wearing very very thin very very quickly.

Which land did we stole? We make war and you've LOOSE it. Why should we return this lands without any peace agrement? If you want back this lands you've to accept our terms. Palie freedom fighters have to understand you cannot take back this lands with fight. Every fight brought to you desctruction. Be very sure in the future wars the destruction would be much more then before.

I am so glad you are concerned for their rights. I hope you will join the many others who are also concerned about their rights and urge Israel to give these people their inalienable right of return to their true homes . I somehow feel though that your post is not very genuine and just a deflection of the true facts that Israel is the true criminal denying these people their rights for decades.

While there is truth is some of what you say as usual in this argument you have adopted one narrative as though it is the whole truth. The reason we find ourselves in today is has much to with the behavior past and present the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab countries. The Israel bad/Palestinians blameless and good argument gets tired after a while. Maybe if people tried to see both sides of the argument we would have had a solution by know.

An excellent, lucid and factual summary. This week's best. Thank you!

Israel was attacked by Egypt and conquered the land. It was then later offered back to Egypt along with the Sinai. Egypt took the Sinai and said they didn’t want Gaza back. It was taken from Egypt not the so called "Gazans" so this claim of having stolen it is bogus. Of course if you want to talk about stolen land, Hamas stole Gaza from the PA in a bloody, murderous coup, there is no doubt about that, of course nobody complains about that do they?

Kindly inform which is the stolen land. That you so shrewdly concocted. Either you cannot understand the gist of my post, which is well balanced and above all true to the facts on the ground. I grew up in Israel and served my country through a number of wars. Also I am the seventh son of a Palestinian family, granted in an honory capacity. My knowledge is not derived from any news media, less so am I in any way swayed by the Arab media, even though I do read and understand them. The pristine air of the Swiss Alps is shared by thousands of Arabs who converge on our mountains during July and August every year, which allows me to greet old friends, true the majority are Sunni Muslims. Good day from cool Swiss Alps.

religious poppycock.

It's called Conditioning but don't worry Labarse I won't be placing a Fatwah on you for spelling it without the hyphen. Speaking of spelling, you don't appear to be uneducated so how come you can't spell?. BTW "Jummy" is not in the English language. "Haggis" and "Jimmy" and "Kilt" and all the Racial stereotypical stuff is OK with me but it does make you look, for want of a better word, "Thick"

or for plague and pestilence to be unleashed to turn the Nile red

it happened before and it could happen again. its part of the worlds first and penultimate freedom story. the rest is history 5000 years worth about 4500 in the CE. Good grief we around along , long time, eh boys.

A BIG PASSENGER SHIP FULL OF JEWS HEADING BACK TO GERMANY AND POLAND TO REVISIT WORLD WAR 2 ATROCITIES AND COMPREHEND THE MEANING OF HUMANITY.

Saudi arabia instead is their ancestral country but they choose to deny thier forefaters country. Or, they can claim Gaza from Egypt and WB from Jordan, if they want to stay on these 2 areas, but no, no, no, they want a free ride from Israel.

Israel was and is sending messages to the world like we send to Turkey. Openly Israel is going to use force if needs arise to stop these ships. Your super genious PM made a mistake that we cant do it. Now everything is clear once again. Don't make any mistake Israel is determined to stop these ships on the way to Gaza. If you resist take the consequenses. Tell me where is the hypcrosy? It is better to use every channel before fightings. Israel is doing exactly this way.

So you think that if flotillas keeping trying to go to Gaza, Israel has the right to aboard the ship and kill the activists? In the international waters? Really? Hmm, interesting!

Gaza is not Israeli territory anyway?! I thought you left Gaza...

WILL KILL IF NECESSARY.

I left Judaism. You didn't even answer Gohkan's simple question. Why should the world bother with your mean spirited blockade. We will send flotilla after flotilla until you leave Palestinians alone. And Israel has no choice in this matter

Does Turkey allow any foreign person to enter through its borders without any control? Or does Turkish authorities allow any ship to enter North Cyprus without any control? When I go To Turkey I have to pay $50.00 at the Ataturk airport at Yesilkoy to get a Visa. The control of the Gaza shore was given to Israel by the Palestinian authority in 1992 with a mutually agreed and signed treaty. What Israel is doing in controlling the Gaza shore is same as what the Turkish military is doing controlling the North Cyprus shores.

Gives Israel the right to control the Gaza shores.

What choice are you giving to Israel. Israel has declared that a ship cant go to Gaza. If you decide to go you have to take the consequenses. Aha hide to the pretext of international waters, which is very disputale. Who are you fooling. They were on this ship for to die.It would not make any difference if they would enter to Gazan waters.They were not peace activitist but rather militants. After the take of f your peace activist confessed and regrets that would not die . In the international waters? Really? Hmm, interesting!

What we are talking is the existansialism of Israel. We are not going to leave here. We have no place to go. You are free to send flotillas, if you've the opportunity you can enbark one of them and if you have the courage resist.

Just look at the map. You won't have to be a milltary expert. If they are able to send everyday a few Qassams with a siege, it is easy to calculate how many rockets they would launch if there is not. It is very easy and very simple to lift hte siege. HAMAS should have to accept to quit the launching of rockets.

I think we all learned that the Flotilla's way works. Perhaps now is the time to use it's momentum e keep on sending them. There's so much Israel can do even when it comes to killing people in international waters...however...with a weekly basis schedule of flotillas the goal might be reached.

Turkey is an independent state, of course you have get a visa unless you are a Turkish citizen. The diffirence is Israel does not own Gaza and the blockage she decleared is one-sided. The administrators of Gaza Strip, Hamas, does not recognize the signed treaty you talked about. So, the analogy is another irrelevant defense mechanism as we get used to hearing more and more from Pro-Israelis.

It is too simple actually. Because Israel does not own neither Gaza nor the international waters, she does not have any right to declare that a ship can not go to Gaza.

The right to defend Israel does not provide an excuse to kill 9 unarmed civilian activists in the international waters. Simply because Israel does not own neither the international waters nor the Gaza Strip.

On THIS planet, people wielding iron bars and knives are not unarmed. Anti-Israelis are morons.

North Korea is more likely to cause WWIII if it carries out it's threats to physically stop military exercises currently being carried out beween South korea and the United states. Stop thinking israel is the centre of everything it isn't. It is a tiny country stuck in the eastern mediterranean who are reliant on american aid to survive.

Locating the Jewish state in Madagaskar would be like locating the Chinese state in Paraguay.

I have never claimed that Israel is reliant on my thoughts to survive. What I did claim was Israel couldn't survive without American Aid there is a difference, one which you have not denied or refuted.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 230, adopted unanimously on December 7, 1966, after examining the application of Barbados for membership in the United Nations, the Council recommended to the General Assembly that Barbados be admitted

So, recommendation to the General Assembly that Barbados to be admitted proves what?

Israeli violates with impunity

Hes talking about the number of unanswered resolutions. DUH

chris is not Netanyahu. who needs enemys, with friends like that

Not a day goes by that Bibi doesn't try harder than ever before to ignore ir. Israel doesn't know it yet, but she lost this war the moment Liberty docked in Gaza 's harbor. Every time Israel uses force, she loses. And this will continue until Israel learns how to fight against peaceniks, or she simply gives up a lost cause.

Solomon sold that so he could build a Temple. He needed lumber and workers. All Sales are Final

the tribes of asher, naphtali and manasseh have since these old times converted to islam and druze, and the galile belong to the lebanese province of tyre. and the lord did quit his job as a real estate agent.

As a Brit I can look backwards to a time when my country ruled much of the world. (for which I am not proud by the way) That doesn't mean it is entitled to claim any of it now (even the Falklands) Same goes for Israel or do you want everything from the Nile to the Euphrates?

How absurd that all this power mongering, land grab and crimes are attributed to the times of Solomon and the promises of God.

land sold to jews by arabs is final too !!

Israel ONLY wants whats HERS nothing else were not arabs/bedouins and we dont want to the WHOLE mid east. We want peace and to be left alone. salem alechem

Where did you get that idea from? That is kind of funny though.

the ambassador actually READS international law. San Remo Protocol on naval blockades. Look uit up.

Nutcase egocentric thinks he can speak for the world. What a fool.

I think at the very least, 50% of the world population agrees with him.

what a delux Holocaust the Arabs in Azza have... tell us more about such holocaust while trying to break ball bouncing record sporting the latest designers trainings and T-shirts... you are a joke

holocaust... Visit a museum and read some history before you make characterizations or (inferred) comparisons like that. You're probably one of those people who compare Gaza to Warsaw. I'd be willing to bet you have no accurate image of the current situation in Gaza or the extermination of European Jewry just a couple generations ago.

stop this monopoly over this vicious and terrible act, but do not incur any similar acts, irrespective of its magnitude to others. You are doing what all evil human beings did, on a mini scale though, but this would not relieve you from the sin.

You'd be happy to see those same kids without cloths, toys or dignity. Your calibur is ZERO.

Hamas is not that weak they have Ahmadinejad/Hezballa and Erdogan as well

Well, PKK has far less military capacity than the TSK but still, it hurts right ? Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu may not be seeking justful peace, but they have not always been there...Fatah and Hamas are always there, but Israeli goverments change..So why did the Palestinians miss the chance with Ehud Barak or Olmert&Livni...they decided for Intifada first, then throw rockets into Israel even after the disengagement from Gaza in 2005....I wonder what would Turkey do, if there was a situation where there would be rocket attacks into Turkey from Northern Iraq`s populated areas

" if there was a situation where there would be rocket attacks into Turkey from Northern Iraq`s populated areas " A few years ago Turkey was criticizing Israel that was using plastic bullets against boys who was throwing rocks to IDF. Today the same situation is in Turkey. You can watch on TV s the situation. What the armed forces of Turkey are doing. They don't use plastic bullets but using water arcs that brokes legs. PKK. if its not launching rocets its a metter of time We know these startegies.In the coming days they will adapt the same . Watch and see. We'll se what Turkey would do.

For as long as Israeli planes overfly Gaza, Israel has niot disengaged from Gaza. For as long as Israel holds, by force, a strip of Gazan land as a defense barrier, Israel has not disengaged from Gaza.

Israel withdrew every single Israeli (civilian and soldier), withdrew all administration, and Hamas is the ruling authority there. Israel is "engaged," in a conflict, but it disengaged its previous interests in Gaza -- namely, the right to protect Jews who were living there.

then their materials will be transported into Gaza via Egypt or Israel by land, it's simple. What's the difference between being checked at sea versus on land, besides the obvious logistical matters inspecting a boat in the open waters? Both actions are still a blockade by the way.

Checking and testing materials can be a long enough process when working about smuggling. It can take a few days to check the contents of eleven ships, which is only one problem with doing it on water. Israel did however offer to allow the aid through, and allow the the flotilla passengers to supervise. An offer which most flotillas agreed to, including the one which colonel kadaffi`s son was on.

The Palestinian Arab cause has been used by every Muslim and non-Muslim government (and NGO) for every kind of self-serving diversion and agenda. The Palarabs are the world's biggest pawns and dupes, and are used by peace activists as well as jihadists and unstable political regimes to further their nefarious, self-serving agendas.

You consider a humanitarian aid ship the enemy?

Don't be so cheap! First travel to the lands you post about in ignorance and learn something before you spew your illogical conclusions.

Israeli soldiers beating up a bunch of nuns on the high seas will be bad PR even for israel. Hence the begging to the world to stop the flotilla. Israel arresting a bunch of nuns will not play well on American breakfast television

Israel is not "begging" but rather warning the participating countries that they'll be whining needlessly later if their citizens don't behave in a civilized manner while trying to break the blockade.

Lift the siege and there won't be a problem

you really think that Nuns and christian clergy are as bad and criminal as others, do you ?

As long as Hamas' Charter of death and destruction of Israel is their modus operandi and their sponsor in Iran who's committed to the eradication of the Jewish State is functioning unimpeded and pulling the militant strings in Gaza, the blockade will remain. Left to their own devices, Iran would ensure that Hamas is supplied with more sophisticated instruments of death and instructed when to use them and Israel's severe retaliation would make the last war in Gaza look like a minor border skirmish. Then all of Israel's enemies would complain even louder about Israel's actions and demand its international punishment. Look at how the Palestinians and their supporting Muslim/Arab states now complain about the extent of Israel's presence in the area and how they long for the good old days of the partition of the land for both a Jewish and Palestinian state. What did they do when they had their earlier chance? They went for all of the land as they didn't believe or subscribe to any autonomous Jewish presence in the area at all, just as is etched in Hamas' current Charter. Please visit the area to learn firsthand how small the lands in question are and how big the military problem is for Israel.

Israel is not warning! She is not begging, either. She is now whining.

Why is it legitimate for supporters of Israel to indiscriminately abuse its critics but not the reverse?

Well thats one option, not a very clever one considering it is a boat full of nuns on a pilgramage to the holy Lands

I am sorry, which part of state of war do you not able to digest. Israel and Lebanon are in a state of war. What nonesene possesed you to write this garbage???

If the Lebanese ships venture into Israeli territorial waters then Israel has the right to intercept them. Otherwise, IDF, MYOB.

The ship is not going to Israel it is going to Gaza. Which according to the nightclub bouncer is not part of Israel.

The sea uotside Gaza is Israels.

If the gan has no money he has no food unless he gets it from Unwra. as Israel is refusing to allow goods out of gaza. Israel is blockading gaza by other means. And no amount of propaganda by the Jews and their supporters changes that.

Vitriolic attacks on Western governments, Western media...doesn't Israel pride itself of being a Western democracy? Being a new member, you need to check out the OECD multidimensional definition of poverty. Or the World Bank: “unacceptable human deprivation in terms of economic opportunity, education, health and nutrition, as well as lack of empowerment and security”. Or UNDP, “Human poverty is more than income poverty – it is the denial of choices and opportunities for living a tolerable life”. Through its criminal collective punishment, Israel is deliberately driving 1.5 million pøeople into utmost misery.

Have deliberately driven the Palestinian people into utmost misery with their choices.

Where where you from 1948 to 1967 when the Egyptians locked in thje people of the Gaza strip and instituted a nightime curfew. Abdalla who is locking in the 1.5 million people. Why dont the Egyptians open up their borders. Israel is in a state of war with Gaza why should we open our borders to the 1.5 milion.How come there is never a history with you anti Israel bashers. Yesterday never exists its only what happens now this minute. Never your fault always blame somebody else preferably Israel. Give us back Shalit, recognize the State of Israel, stop terrorism, recognize all prior agreements and then see what happens. Come on Abdalla the onus is on your people for once to take control of your own lives and amke them better. We want peace but we also want to live.

Turks and Kurds established the Turkish Republic together. Kurds have Turkish Nationality like many other ethnic groups in Turkey. Many of the major businessman, ministers, generals even presidents of Turkey hah origin (can you imagine that for Palestinians and Israel). Unlike Israel, Turkey fights with terrorists not with the entire Kurdish community. Israel looks like fighting with terrorism too but as a preconception considers any single Palestinian or Arab not now the Turk as a terrorist. So don’t try to justify Israel’s screw ups with dumb examples.

Kurds are part of Turkey, and they are not blockaded, they can study, eat what they want, can live their live as they wish( sure there exist some problem like teaching in mother tonque etc) vs. Palastinians on the other hand are put under survivor test. Kurds are struggling to learn and speak thier language freely, but Palastinians are struggling to survive. That simple. So plz Dont ever confuse Kurds with Pals, nor Turkey with Israel as of now!

Please tell these to Ahmet Turk, Leyla Zana and Baydar. They do not believe you.

If you want to sent a flotilla to aid Kurds, no problem for Turks. ( Probably it will be a flying flotilla...) But remember, most of the flotilla activists were Kurds.... And there is no siege on Kurdish territories.......

But the kurds are part of Turkey and want to separate and Palestine is not part of Israel and wants the end of Israel occupation

Who can judge the real genuinity of pacifists? The israeli government. Who can decide if they are free to move in internationl waters? The israeli government. Who can decide if the UN is the UN or an arab lobby? The israeli government. Everybody can join with other questions...

"Gaza and its regime are at a state of war with the nation-state of the Jewish people..." A. State. Of. War!!!! That concept went out the window in 1945, Jehudah, which is why nobody actually bothers to "declare war" on anyone any more. Or haven't you noticed that oddity? Since 1945 there is only "armed conflict" - i.e. shooting - and the test of wether or not there is an "armed conflict" is simplicity itself; you look to see if anyone is shooting at anyone. There is no "armed conflict" between Hamas and Israel, and there hasn't been since Olmert called a halt to Operation Cast Lead.

you are an ilegal settler and an accomplice in land theft.

It hasn't escaped anybody's attention that israel is following a policy of starvation and isolation in an attempt to dehumanise a people in order to make them disappear. Two sides to every story

As Logios post says Hamas maintained the ceasefire, not easy with all the other groups there, and the homemade rockets had stopped. It was Israel who broke the ceasefire because they will chose military might over peace every time.

Stopped means zero rockets and mortars. In the time period you cite, various sources put the shelling at 77 to 93. Down considerably from averages over the years prior, but not "stopped". This was the reason for Cast Lead. Now, the shelling is almost zero, but still there.

holding quite well and was broken by Israel due to their miscalculation "Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, had personally approved the Gaza raid, the Associated Press said. The Israeli military concluded that Hamas was likely to want to continue the ceasefire despite the raid," Here is a link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians

Whu not ? For years rockets were delivered to Israel. Is that terrorism or act of war or both together? Hammas is still ruling Gaza and arming itself for another conflict. It is still holding an Israel soldier and impeding even the visit of the Red Cross. Iran wants Gaza in order to raise another stronghold in the region. Iran is an antisemitic country repudiated by most of the world and being precisely boycotted by all the world. Lets put one plus one and what do we get? A tense situation in which any preemptive act of Israel is justified. Then the question again. Are we in state of war? Seems srystal clear that we are now in a situation of ceasse fire that will become very soon a state of war. Israel; has all the reasons of the world to wipe Gaza . Whaty will happen then? Nothing. Egypt will applaud, and Iran wlll get nervous and a few people in Europe's civic society will demonstarte and cry for boycott./ I would not worry too much about that/

"Jehudah - the agression from Gaza was stopped from June 08 to October 08" Meanwhile, there were still rocket attacks from Gaza. Some ceasefire.

The ceasefire was broken by Hamas trying to tunnel into Israel.

Problem is until there is some kind of military parity the lunatics will run amock. Which is why i support iran's nd syria's arming of the lebanese and iran's right to nuclear weapons to achieve parity with a nation which has threatened to wipe them off the map.

Iran may yet be the one who is 'wiped off the map.' Israel cannot lose and the Iranians can't win.

Please spare the Palestinians any help from the Israelis. They had suffered enough over the years from this help. Thanks but ' Hell no thanks".The Chutzpah....

A yeah independent country hah; With Hamas isnt it?

Gaza is a collection of unfortunates terrorized by Hamas. It is like a section of Los Angeles ruled by Mexican gangs, that the police and fire services don't even try to control. You don't call something a country because they can't get along.

Hamas has been DEMOCRATICALLY elected by the Palestinians to be their government. Every person who understands and values the concept of democracy should respect it!!

Voting is only one facet of democracy. Voting regularly is another. Do you think you will live to see another election in Gaza?

Yes democratically ellected ans then undemocratically killing off and getting rid of the Ftah opposition. A party like Hmas is only chosen ONCE!

you're so right Cliff..maybe the rest of the world should stop Israel's boats from getting into their ports....a boycott of all goods from israel coming into our ports.

Israel will forever rue the day she demanded Gaza as part settlement to end war with Egypt. So which is better? An Egyptian tank you can shoot at? Or an engineer with a cutting torch melting holes in steel walls underground?

Gaza is in limbo. It has a de facto government. Hamas was elected, but the government was dissolved by the "palestinian president". Since the dissolution Hamas has clung to power in Gaza. Despite murdering their opposition and enforcing some rather strange and quasi-medieval laws on its people; they are the only negotiating party in Gaza.

Who has done the most random killing and destruction? Answer - Israel

Do you have any ability to talk about the politics? Your emotional feelings influence you very much much much. Do you know the conception of Hamas? Have you ever read any article about Diplomatic History for Middle East?

And the fact that I don't accept the Zionist version shows that I have more than a superficial knowledge

These two, actually: "armed struggle". The correct legal phrase is "armed conflict", and Philip Roche (not Jewish, by any chance?) had to avoid using that phrase. And the reason *why* he had to skirt around that phrase is because he understands what you do not i.e. at *this* point in time there is no "armed conflict" between Hamas and Israel.

I think rockets landing in your country fired from another land is considered both an armed stuggle or conflict. It is your choice. I would prefer terrorism.

Source of Information: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10306193

:-) I like

You do know that Israel called a unilateral cease fire???

"These two, actually: "armed struggle". The correct legal phrase is "armed conflict"" Moron.

When Olmert called an end to Operation Cast Lead (he declared a ceasefire in Jan 2009, remember?) then hamas responded by halting all qassam fire into the Negev. So by YOUR OWN LOGIC the armed conflict ended in Jan 2009, and so Israel had no more legal justification for continuing the blockade.

I guess any sense of being accurate is a bit beyond those frothing at the mouth. But just so you can continue howling at the moon with the right gender, I think you will find that the Israeli Ambassador to the UN is a woman. The clue is in the name 'Gabriella'. Anyway - back to your ranting, sorry to interrupt

Hariri and nasrallah are now best buddies. Hezbollah has the firepower to take over Lebanon anytime they want. A consequence of israeli lobbying to ensure the lebanese army didn't get the necessary arms to defend lebanon.

Israel prevented Lebanon from getting arms to fight Hezbollah? As you say, "in you (sic) wildest wet dreams." Where do you get your "information" from? The Lebanese army does not lack arms--it lacks will and political direction. Your mind is just full of lies which are trotted out at any Israel-bashing opportunity, isn't it?

the United nations are going to destabilise lebanon and send it into civil war when Hariri Jnr and nasrallah have kissed and made up Yep that is really going to happen, and it just happens to be a perfect scenerio for israel.