Deputy FM may seek charges against 'slaughter Jews' heckler
Ayalon after speech at Oxford disrupted by pro-Palestinian activists: No tolerance for anti-Semitism.
By Haaretz Service Tags: Israel newsDeputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon may press charges against a student who shouted "slaughter the Jews" during a speech he gave at Oxford University on Monday.
Ayalon is looking into the possibility of pressing charges against the student for what is tantamount to a call for genocide.
"This demonstrates our new policy on hatred and racism and we will have zero tolerance for anti-Semitism, something that should have happened a long time ago," said Ayalon.
Another protestor carrying a Palestinian flag started walking toward Ayalon before security intervened and he was ejected from the hall. Another student shouted at the Deputy Foreign Minister that "we will do to you what we did to Milosevic."
Other students shouted, both inside and outside the hall, "Palestine will be free, from the River to the Sea." After the event several students attempted to physically assault the Deputy Foreign Minister but were prevented from doing so by security.
Also on Monday, California police reportedly made 12 arrests after a speech by Israel's U.S. Ambassador Michael Oren devolved into chaos.
Hecklers interrupted Oren's lecture at University of California, Irvine, more than 10 times, shouting "killers" and "how many Palestinians did you kill?"
Oren took a 20-minute break after the fourth protest, only to be interrupted again by young men yelling at him every few minutes, local press reported.
The arrested students were apparently members of the university's Muslim Student Union, which had publicly condemned Oren's visit earlier in the day.
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Operation "cast lead" was preceeded by 12,000 rockets fired into Israel without any concerted effort by the arab community in Gaza to stop it. Surely they know they were allowing the military wing of Hamas to goad Israeli leaders into an attack. This is the palestinian arab ploy. Goad Israel into attacking palestinian communities where bomb and rocket factories are dispersed and then run behind the skirts of women and children.
The Jewish population of the Arab countries who found refuge in Israel far out number the Arabs who fled the New State of Israel expecting to return when the Jews were thrown into the sea, how wrong they were.
1. Jews were not in the position where they had the ability to bomb Germany. 2. The idea that Israel allowed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to sneak in is too laughable to comment on.
in response to number 72 we notice that the Jews did not go and bomb Germany and also you speak of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians being expelled - what about the hundreds and thousands of Arabs who flocked into Israel since 1948 and then pretended they had always been there?
I agree we should bring charges but our country has become terrifyingly anti-semitic,ie the media ans many others. However there are a great number of us who love Israel and do keep up with the true facts and ignore the lies and twisting of truth that our media so enjoy.
When you consider that the seizure of the home of the Palestinians, the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of them, the expropriation (theft) of their land, and the oppression of those who remain was done and continues to be done in the name of the Jewish people, how can you expect them not to be hostile to Jews? As an analogy, what was the reaction of Jews to Germans after WWII? Jews have earned the Palestinians' emnity.
What many do not want to undestand Israel has ttaken on a new meaning. It means Jews of any nation.The heclers meant slaughter the Jews of any nation.Times have changed Jews willnot go into the ovens again .
What happened in UCI was the premeditated, organized attack in USA by the Moslem organization with the purpose to disrupt the event organized by the taxpayers funded educational organization. This fact must have very seripous consequenses for Moslem organizations in America. Law enforcement must take measures. FBI has to think about it...
Israel has just managed to get the British government to quash war-crimes arrests of Israeli government officials and now an Israeli official wants charges brought against a heckler? The fool should quit while Israel is ahead.
A crime is only found to have been committed if the person alledged to have committed the crime is found guilty or pleads guilty in a court of law. Until such time the person who said whatever he said is the accused. In the UK the jury are asked in an adversarial court system to weigh up the evidence for and against and to pronounce whether this person is guilty or not. The Judge decides whatever the sentence will be. Which is likely to be a fine if it is a first offence. I care because Israel has tried to persuade the UK government to change the law of arrest in favour of it's citizens, I also care because Ayalon is portraying himself in the Israeli press as being the sole arbitrator of who will or will not be prosecuted under British Law. Which is not the case.
and in that case the Student should have the book hurled at him. But to suggests Ayalon has the power to pursue prosecution is deceitful and not in accordance with English Law. Ayalon can make a complaint and it will be investigated. A process which will involve taking statements from Ayalon and others. The video is evidence that will be confirmed by the statements taken. But that is as far as it goes with Ayalon unless he is called to give evidence during a trial.
He forgets that there are many Jews all round the world who support the Palestinians even in Israel with organisations like Gush Shalom and Pease Now.
..."But you must admit we have not seen the good side of Islim in a long time" Show me the good side of any religious right winger! Be is Jew, Christian or a Muslim. The problem is that the good side does not get highlighted and only the vile and evil deeds are thrown out in the media. Muslims are the most misunderstood and oppressed community in the western hemisphere. You have to move to a little left to see it. You cannot see it until you shed the hate that you have for the whole community. I say make some Muslim friends. I have Muslim, Jewish, Christian, sikh, Hindu friends and I couldn?t make out the difference if not for the way they dress and how they pray.
PAUL IS NOT A MUSLIM!!! Your pathetic argument falls apart when you can't paint all Palestinians as radical muslims. Paul's contention is that Palestinian resistance and hatred of Israel has nothing to do with religion. It is a product of denial of human rights, expropriation of land, etc. Curious, in your list of 'dasterdly muslims', there are "0", that is ZERO, Palestinians.
Sorry Paul that you feel I insulted you. But you must admit we have not seen the good side of Islim in a long time. Please tell me who flew plane into World Trade Center. Who tried to bring down plane Chrismas day. Who throw cripple into sea. Who had chemicals in sole of shoe to bring down plane with Americans on it.Show me how many Clerics have spoken out out against the killing of American citizens. You have a big problem lets hear voices speak out
A crime was committed on British soil. It is up to the legal authorities to enforce the law. The jury's role is to decide whether to sentence. Why do you care so much anyway?
Oxford is a very prestigious school.
This was not mentioned in the Haaretz article, but the Times reported that there is a recorded video tape of the incident. If they are properly able to decipher the audio which was spoken, which they are in the currently processing, they will easily have a case against whatever student unwisely decided to yell such hateful things.
The so called "religion of peace", oh yeah.
Can you be anymore ignorant? Likely not. I think what annoys me most is how everyone equates Palestinians with Muslims. I'm Palestinian with a capital P, Christian born and raised (Greek Orthodox but athiest now) and cannot stand Israel and what it stands for if not more than, but as much as my other fellow Palestinians. Just keep in mind, my tribe (the Ghassanids) have been here since 200 A.D and have always been Christian. We never converted to Islam like many other Arabs or Jews who lived in the region during the spread of Islam. My discourse with Israel has nothing to do with religion whatsoever. Like I said, I'm athiest and view things in the context of right and wrong. I have nothing against Jews or Judiasm, only against the unjust dealings and treatment of my people for decades. Nothing more.
The very first sentence explains that one protestor yelled slaughter the Jews. If you would like to consider that 'Pro-Palestine', then I would be terrified to see what you would deem anti-Semitic.
Don't know how it works in Israel. but in the UK the police investigate to see if a crime has been carried out. If it has the person is arrested then charged by the Police. The Director of Public Prosections then puts a case together. IF there is a chance of success then the matter is taken to court. There whoever said this then ccan pleade giuilty, not guilty. Not Guilty means a trial by jury, if that happens he/she will probably get off. So I doubt the case will proceed.
If you think Islam only wants to kill Jews I have a bridge to sell you. So defend them and make me rich
How sad that Israeli spokesmen are treated in this way abroad ( US ,UK and others). There was a time not so long ago that Israeli personalities were treated with respect and admiration. Could it possibly be due to the change that has happened in Israel or will these events be attributed to "anti-semitism"? It's high time that Israel looks at itself and not blame the outside world for its own failings.
i, personally, condemn the"slaughter jews" cry. nevertheless, i am pro palestinian, pro freedom, pro justice. i do not agree with what cast lead caused, and what is still taking place in gaza today, as a result of the israeli government policies and views. that's why israeli government officials don't get much loving attention abroad.
At present is a lost cause to expect the radical left to change their stripes, they will always atack anything that has to do with Israel and will side with the ""poor""palestinians. accept it, oil money is to powerful and wins lots of ""hearts". Did anybody red or said anything about the brutality of iran against the oposition?, does anybody said anything about why their are killing the people who want to express their views?, how about sudan, atc. I hoped that some participants in this Haaretz forum will be more honest and finally show the world how repugnant are those muslims states against the rest of the world and in particular Jews,
Palestine will be free, from the River to the Sea
Despite a clear cut violation of its anti-racism laws, the UK will take no action, since the target is "The Jews". And pro-Arab hecklers screaming "Kill the Jews" at an Israeli diplomat provide further undeniable proof that "pro-palestinian Anti-Zionism" is actually just undisguised, greasy anti-semitism.
"because of angry words you want to file charge" Flora since you live in the USA why not go to a meeting at a college there and scream out "Slaughter the African Americans" and see what happens to you.
"It seems that Israelis want to pee their pants when they hear scary words" Yes GLY "Slaughter the Jews" are indeed scary words to us. The last time we heard them SIX MILLION men, women and children (One million under age of 12) were slaughtered. Only this time we do not "Pee in our pants" we make others pee in their pants. This obviously upsets you. Sorry GLY. NEVER AGAIN.
"those who represent those who kill, and even deny what they did, will never be loved wherever they go". Does this include Meshaal, Zahar, the goverment of Iran, Nasrallah, Assad, Abbas, the Taliban ad infinitum. Your agenda is very clear Matteo.
There are limits to free speech. Calls to violence against Jews, or blacks, or Muslims, or gays, or women is not only wrong, it's illegal in America. Prosecute the crime.
Does Chris "Linthwrong" know what DPP stands for? The police are investigating.
They are not supposed to call for the slaughter of "Jews". Did they forget that when speaking in English, "al Yahud" doesn't mean "Israeli"? Please folks, give the lads a break, I am sure they really didn't mean to sound like genocidal racists.
Irrespective of Israeli policies, there is obviously no place for calls for violence and hatred of this type. The individual in question should be prosecuted.
Shalom and Peace to all... The ugly head of anti-Jewish remarks appears to arise each time there is a reasonable speech by any Israeli official either in the USA or elsewhere. The most brutal words.."Slau.....the Jews" is simply unacceptable in this world. Who is this individual and by what rights and which law and which freedom does he thinks so? This is a shameless statement by any human being against another human being. It projects crime and cowardice. No human being in his/her right state of mind would ever advocate bloodshed.
The Settlers are our HEROES. Many, many people feel this way. The Palestinian propaganda just doesn't hold water. Why did they not find it necessary to declare a *State* in 1966 and before. Only when Israel wins a DEFENSIVE WAR against the Arab attempt to destroy Israel is there an outcry from all you revisionists. All of you have bought into the FALLACY of the Goldstone report. Israel waited years and 8000 rockets before responding. I didn't hear one of you losers protest when dozens and dozens and HUNDREDS of innocent Israelis were murdered in cold blood by the Palestinian thugs. And the thousands wounded and maimed for life. Who cares, they are only Jews, right. The Palestinians revel in death, it is to be celebrated to be a shahid. It is very telling who all of you support.
I like to give my hearfelt apology to My Ayalon for the behaviour of these hooligans. It is shame full how a top university in UK allows this kind of language and behaviour. It is probably influence of Islamic university recently opened in Oxford.
Doesnt he have anything better to do than press charges against students?
The report on the disturbances during Ambassador Oren's speech is woefully incomplete, and in fact misleading. It does not stress the major point, that the key members of the University Administratiion who were there roundly condemned the protesting students. It does not include too the fact that Oren elegantly defended the long historical connection between Israel and the U.S. He finished to standing applause. It should be noted that these students are in total violation of the 'ethic ' of the university world, that which encourages freedom of speech, dialogue, debate, openness to others point of view. These students most of whom are second- generation Americans have values suited to Khomeiniland and constitute a clear danger to the American way.
It seems that Israelis want to pee their pants when they hear scary words. They want those who said the scary words to be taken to task. How about let's take to task the REAL killers? Those who are running away from the Goldstone report and world opinion.
It appears that several readers have the problem of not being able to understand that when a group of individuals seeking to disrupt the presentation by Oren gets up to noisily leave the lecture hall, this does not constitute a "standing ovation." The individual screaming "Slaughter the Jews," in Arabic should be prosecuted. It is equally disgusting that the individual approaching the podium while screaming was allowed to rant for almost a minute before being removed. He should have been escorted out immediately. It seems that the JDL should be resurrected.
is another one who adheres to racial ideology. When people have the evidence and were eye witnesses and have photographs, the fact that the genocides, Armenian and Jewish are still being denied, means the deniers are adhering to racial ideology. Genocide is the greatest crime against humanity. Also, Robert College was the most respected university in the middle east; unfortunately, the Turks nationalized it in 1970's after the nationalists took over its history dept. in 1930's. I dare say they are teaching denial as far as the Armenians. Is Iran teaching Holocaust denial. I mean that is the problem.
Especially in the UK - that would certainly land them in court.
The material I am reading from genocide sources says the reason the Turks still deny the Armenian genocide is that the Turks are still adhering to a racial ideology (uber-mensch), that Turks are racially superior. Unfortunately, this is what a lot of the hecklers may believe, in their racial superiority; and can we ask them, are they advocating for the genocide of the Jewish people? I am working for genocide education and prevention because the Armenians are having so much trouble with Turkey, and because my family was there at the time and were students of the missionary eye-witnesses at Robert College. It is not enough to go out and get in street fights with these people; an educational venue where people can see the evidence and learn and understand the genocides is better. They are trivializing the genocide by calling Gaza a genocide also.
If Mr. Ayalon wants to do his part to end racist calls to violence, there are plenty of settlers in Israel who need a good trip to the woodshed. Israel is no model of tolerance for Palestinians, gays, liberal Jews, women, conscientious objectors, or foreigners. Mr. Ayalon, fix problems in your own household first.
It's interesting that you Israel-bashers find nothing wrong with a protester shouting 'slaughter the Jews' at Deputy Foreign Minister Ayalon. Do you consider this legitimate language to use by opponents to protest Israel's policies? Your message seems to be that anti-Israel and anti-Jewish are one and the same thing. I certainly think that one can criticize Israeli policies without being anti-Semitic, but your responses indicate that you don't see any distinction. That's pretty sad!
Reporters should be scrupulous to observe the distinction between being anti-semitic and being pro-palestinian. This article did not do that.
...This Ambassador has a deaf ear to the real America as it expresses its concerns about Israel. It's his job to listen to all "credible American voices;" especially, when the voices are part of the American Jewish community and American taxpayer community. Israel must learn to listen to JStreet Group and others, who believe in Israel but not the rigid Likud platform.
Please tell us what you think of someone yelling "Slaughter the Jews."
Doesn't matter what the issue is. Jewish boys & girls! should go in for an extensive training in 'Martial Arts' incl.all aspects of hand to hand fighting. Go into lecture halls when Israeli or Jewish delegates/representatives are lecturing. if & when there is a repeat of Cal. or Oxford Muslim/Arab hecklers. Go directly into them. If a fight ensures,so be it. Give them such a lambasting,that their own mothers won't recognize them! Spread the word. But under no circumstance be docile. Look what happened to European Jewery. You want to live in the Diaspora. FIGHT !
Certain forces want to erase the memory of the Shoah and kill us too. We must use the International Courts and the System of Law to pursue these people. I totally agree!
Crimes like this are not tolerated here! Danny is a bad person but no one should hate anyone,its evil to hate any man nomatter what.Danny should be heckled anywhere he goes but only the man not his race.I think there is hope for all the bad people even Danny.
Why is this story from America not widely covered? Fact: just yesterday 11 University of California students arrested for heckling Israeli embassador is the news, Standing ovations from LA students and staff against Israel. The UK has a similar heckling, less dramatic outcome, one screaming racist arab student, and American talkbackers are howling behind their laptops but ignore the Los Angelesostan, in denial or what??.
They British policy and government are the ones that should be charging this hater. It shouldn't be up to a visiting Israeli diplomat. Just further proof how the british turn a blind eye to hate crime against their Jewish popultion. Is it really surpising then its become acceptable to accuse anyone daring to speak of Israel in a positive light of offending others?
expeore of the same love that israeli officials crave for. Those students that heckeled must have had family members killed by the same officials that are preaching love and peace. israel comes first followed by Iran as the most loved country in the world today.
Surely the Brits should bring charges - what are they wating for ?
because of angry words you want to file charge. I think we should file charge of the slaugther of cast lead!that is more appropriate!
The days of free ride are over. Get used to it. You will never have the room to yourselves to propagte lies any more.
Then Ayalon should make a formal complaint to the police who will ivestigate and of a crime has been commited prosecute. But to announce that he is going to do so in an Israeli newspaper before a formal complaint is made to the police tends to point towards Ayalon using the inciden to gain political capital in Israel after sitting the Turkis Ambassador in the naughty chair. A fact that is being rigourusly censored by the military censor on this newspaper today.
I am surprised at the los level of discourse at the University of Caliornia and at Oxford. When will these people understand the value of free speech to a democracy? We all oppose something. Does that mean it's OK to threaten the speaker and try to prevent him from speaking? I suppose that kind of conduct is acceptable in Iran or North Korea, but it certainly is not here in the US. The individuals who conduct themselves like this and the organizations who support them ought to be condemned.
In Britain it is illegal to incite race hate. FACT. Some people in authority have lost their jobs over allegations of racism.
So shouting out "kill the Jews" (the cry that was heard in Hebron in 1929) or "send the Jews to the Ovens" shouted in Fort Lauderdale and in London last winter is okay. What would happen if people began shouting Kill the Muslims? They riot and threaten killings over cartoons. I was at Concordia U when Bibi was prevented from speaking by stone=throwing Arab "students" several years ago. They too were shouting Kill the Jews.
The man in question was arrested because he committed a crime under the laws stated by the United Kingdom. The FM or any other Jew has the right to file charges against this man on the basis of his rhetoric that promotes genocide. Get on board with the laws of England before coming out with your drivel.
He doesn't mean in Israeli courts. That doesn't make sense. Or don't you understand anything?
Have you forgotten about Israel's very long arm? If you threaten her she will respond. Just as any free nation would. and Mr Italy your calling them killers is like calling the Hamas humanitarians. Come back to the real world fools, Israel is the only democracy there and if you speak to any palestinian who has worked and enjoyed living in ISraels boundaries, you will hear who they prefer
I hear on Kol Israel that the Chinese are doing very well economically. Their banks are solid, their industry is fine, but . . . there is this little matter of Tibet. Seems whenever the Dalai Lama shows up and there is the slightest hint of an "official visit", well . . . some Western officials develop a sudden case of cold feet. When an Israeli comes to town however, the Palestinian flags go up and the demonstators have "the right to protest" freely. You kinda wonder if Israel was as big and prosperous as China, and we were sittin' in Tibet the way the Hans have been doin for over fifty years, maybe all this Ayalon business wouldn't happen. Please God come the advent of electric cars powered by solar lithium batteries, the fossil fuels that help fire the Palestinian propaganda machine will cool down to some extent. Maybe the Palestinian Arabs have a case, maybe they don't, but yelling "Kill the Jews" in a crowded theater is not the way to promote it.
You 2 are unbelievable. Protestors call for the slaughter of the Jews and the annihilation of the State of Israel and rather than denouncing them you both justify them. Shame on you!
oH i get it now, everytime some one legaly protests about Israels war crimes they are branded Anti-Semetic, nice try to divert the attention away but the europeans are not going to swallow such propoganda.
should be aware that their lives will not carry on as if nothing has happened. If you don't like being shouted at then I suggest you stay in Israel amongst your own kind.
Whilst trying to get the British Government to change centuries old law because those who Planned and prepared Operation get Livni and Barak re-elected are subject to arrest warrants when they enter the United Kingdom on suspicion of war crimes. Ironic really if it wasn't so funny. Perhaps it would be easier for Ayalon to summon the British Ambassador to sit on his naughty chair.
Are regarded with such disdain around the world. Those who follow the wrong side will get their come-uppance.
Ayalon can press charges if the law was broken, just like anyone else. Now be a good boy or mommy will cut your internet access.
for Arabs or antisemitic gentiles to pretend of being Jewish - they crave for more espectability. Nothing will help you - your time is over ...
bigotry and genocide is a-ok as long as you aren't a jew that doesn't want to be slaughtered.
although the anti-semitic substance of his rant is the far greater crime, it being directed AT mr ayalon can easily be interpreted as a threat on his life, and being made in public, it should give legal grounds for his arrest and for charges being brought...WITHOUT mr ayalon having to pursue them himself. racism and bigotry, and the stereotypes and hate associated with them, should have no place in protesting israeli actions and policies. the grief should be with THEM, not with the israeli people, and ESPECIALLY not with jews in general.
and this what you get: "Slaughter the Jews"! Sadly, when Arabs call for it in Arabic here, in Israel, not to the cameras, "itbah al-yahud", the world is silent and we, Israelis, are told we only spread propaganda. But now, at Oxford, the world could see and hear what we have heard many times, and have experienced even more times, will the world do anything about it, anything...??!!