Court orders state to alter West Bank separation fence route at Bil'in

Let's see, the question was: bbl: "can you point to a single court ruling about the route of the fence that the planners and builders of teh fence have not followed?" Again, there is that problem of defining "not followed", so I can't be sure of what you are demanding as proof... How about this: 1) The IDF draws a route around - Gosh!, how topical! - Modi?in Illit 2) Govt OK's this route (Oct '03) 3) The Court brings down Beit Sourik (Jun '04) 4) The IDF goes back and draws a NEW route 5) Govt OK's the NEW route (Feb '05) 6) The IDF builds most of the wall around Modi?in on the OLD route It's recorded in here: http://www.btselem.org/Download/200512_Under_the_Guise_of_Security_eng.pdf Is that "not following" the court, or can we just wave it away as a case of a duplicitous IDF shafting it's own incompetent and clueless govt? Coz THAT would be A-OK, wouldn't it...

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it," Recognize the quote - its from the U.S. declaration of independance. Unjust laws are made to be broken. The seperation fence keeps out arab terrorists. It gurantees Israelies - LIFE =LIBERTY and THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS - without the worry of Murderers being on their streets trying to kill them. ITS the U.S. megan's law carried to a necessary extreme.

Your ignorance is frightening - your electing to comment on things you nothing about even worse. FACT: Palestine NEVER existed FACT: The refuges are citizens of egypt-syria-jordan FACT: The refuges situation was created by Arabs repeatedly attacking Israel after they regected the U.N. partition in 1948. FACT: Arab terrorism PRECEEDED Israels existence FACT: Americans STOLE land from Mexico and Native americans = to build your home - country FACT: You have no idea ewhat you are talking about - so you try to compensate with hostility and vulgarity FACT: We can see right through the nonsense you posted - as being what it is nonsensical hate speech

I agree. If Israel wants to build a fence or a wall for security, fine, but keep it on its own land. Accessing Palestinian land for this purpose is wrong, and cutting villages off from their farmland, which has happened, is equally wrong.

bbl: "you have failed to provide an example of what I asked for. My request was clear. Your answer obfuscates." Yes, I see; you want an example of "a single court ruling about the route of the fence that the planners and builders of teh fence have not followed?" Rather depends on how obfuscatory the word "followed" is. Is a foot-dragging "yeah, yeah, sure, sure" good enough for you? Or is drawing the proposed "new" route on a map sufficient? Or must they DO the tearing down and rebuilding? Coz here's something to mull over, regarding "Alfe Menashe": http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150332007 "The revised route of April 2006 places three of the five villages and some of their lands outside the fence/wall; the other two villages remain in the enclave. By May 2007 the changes to the fence/wall route had not yet been implemented and the five villages remained in an enclave." They REDREW it, but they don't show any signs of DOING it. How odd, hey?

It is just wrong to build the fence cutting across and through Palestinian fields and towns. A fence yes but only on Israeli land.

it is boring, as you said, to have to read "antisemitic" over again, as well as "rants, Jew-Haters, "venom", "hatred", "rave" It was very boring. Please, give it a rest, or think of something new to say.

There is no "west bank", "occupied territories", "palestine". Palestine ended in 1948 with the re-establishment of Israel. The surrounding Arab nations attacked in their first major attempt to destroy it. It is unfortunate that almost half of Israel's citizens have succumbed to the siren call of land for peace. What other nation has ever voluntarily returned land after a war. The land they anti-Israel, ant-Zionists, anti-Semites want returned is Jewish land from the hand of God to Abraham, to Moses, etc. Perhaps, it is time for the bulk of the Arabs to relocate to the lands of their nativity...Jordan, Gaza, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. Yes, a large part of Israel's population came from Europe, but, they spread to Europe and elsewhere as a result of the destruction of our homeland compliments of the Roman Empire. The fiction that they are not true B'nai Yisrael is a lie spread by the Arab/Nazi propagandists in a futile attempt to delegitimize the existance of Israel.

Hey, researcher Labra, find out for us how much arab countries spend on their jewish students per year?. And than research at the same time as to how many jews live in the arab stans and in the muslim world as well. Than when your mind is clear from wisky do the comparrisons. It will tell you a lot more than the crap you constantly bring in your post's. I do believe in equality. There must be the same number of jews in say the castodianship(the whore rulled Saudia ofcourse)and arabs and pal's in the entire Jewish State of Israel. I hope you can do that in time when you are sober. Regards...

Good for the Supreme Court!! And about time too. Good for all the village residents, the groups of Israelis and the many international types who fought for this week after week after week. One can;t say with any certainty how the Supreme Court decision would have turned out if this demonstration hadn;t been taking place - but all the attention can;t have been damaging to the village's case. It will also ensure that the State actually implements the decision rather than simply ignoring it (as has been charged by the MoD's own compliance guy in a Haaretz interview). Israel's desire for a separation barrier is in itself regrettable but also understandable. It's really the route it takes that causes the controversy. Good fences may make good neighbours, as Israelis are fond of saying - but a fence that is built inside the next person's garden is a bad fence and will make bad neighbours.

That wall in Hebron is not part of the fence that we are discussing. Nice try, but, you have failed to provide an example of what I asked for. My request was clear. Your answer obfuscates. Does such an example of what I specifically asked for exist? I think not.

Silvienne: You claim to support Palestinian rights but hypocrisy seems to predominate in your posts. Helping and supporting the Palestinians should amount to encouraging them to make peace not war, educate their children rather than teaching them how to hate and kill Jews and denouncing Hamas and other terrorist groups. But no, despite the Palestinians celebrating victory over the Court Decision on Biilin, you and others continue your venom and hatred against the "zionists". We are not fooled by your antisemitic (yeah I know it is boring but the truth often is) rants against zionists, a politically acceptable tool among the Jew Haters. As far as the Holocaust is concerned, it must bother you that it will not happen again. Had you praised the High Court Decision since it helps the Palestinians, what do you do? Continue to rant and rave against Israel and the Jews. Supporter of Palestinians! What a joke! What hypocrisy!

I enjoy your vision, leah. The peace-loving Israelis push back all their nasty neighbours into countries which their ancestors came from some thousand years ago. This will demonstrate to the world how much the Israelis love peace and negotiations, and how their enemies are inherently violent and bloodthirsty. You ask when people will wake up and see reality. I agree.

So the high court convenes and tells Israel to be nicer to the Pals. What transparency! Maybe some are fooled into thinking that Israel is ruled by a democratc government. But this transparency does not escape the penetrating eyes of Indrajaya et al. They're not fooled. Israel's motto is known: Today Bil'in, tomorrow the World!

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"But the barrier juts into West Bank territory, provoking Palestinian claims that Israel is using security arguments to mask a land grab." A little stolen land here, a little there - it all helps the Greater Israel Project, the core policy of Israel for the entire 60 years of its mierable existence.

"labbo you had me rolling in the aisles with this post !! your precious free for all paddy land and catholic schools are overwhemed by sinners ! keep it up all you need is ared nose !!" Care to have another go at this post, Victor? It's gibberish. By the way, Victor - did you know that "Bingo", your favourite pastime, was originally called "Beano". Apparently an early player mistakenly called out "BINGO!" instead of "BEANO!" in his excitement (you'll know what excitement at having a winning card can do to a man's mind), and the word immediately stuck.

bbl: "My question to you is, can you point to a single court ruling about the route of the fence that the planners and builders of teh fence have not followed?" http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/885580.html High Court reissues order for IDF to raze wall near Hebron "The High Court ordered the Israel Defense Forces on Tuesday to dismantle a concrete barrier near Hebron within two weeks." "The order comes one day after the court ruled that the IDF deliberately delayed the implementation of an earlier ruling to do so."

This decision is yet another illustration of the fact that Israel is a country and a society governed by laws, and when there are disputes, even when Arabs who are not even citizens of the state appeal to the our courts, the courts of the Jewish state of Israel listen and consider their argument with the full respect called for, respect to them and respect to the law. In addition, the court, highly valued worldwide, has stated by word and deed during many such appeals that the security fence is a necessary tool in the prevention of acts of terror against Israeli civilians and therefore legal. Any attempt to de-legitimize the very existence of the security fence, therefore, must only be understood as part of the on-going attempt by some to constantly demonize the Jewish state of Israel and de-legitimize its very existence. This is yet another day on which one can be proud of his country, Israel, and its institutions, and I must say, I am very proud being one: An Israeli Jew and a Zionist.

A great PR campaign by Zionists to make an impression that the rest of the Apartheid Wall is LEGAL. PS: # 16 is A FAKE INDRAJAYA

Bil'in residents came from Saudi Arabia in 1920s & unlawfully grabbed Jewish Land. There will be no peace for them, no profit from stolen land that will burn under their feet. Their own land in Arabia is waiting & longing for them.

You don't believe what you wrote, do you? If so, you are very ill informed. Your argument that the wall should be built on Palestinian land because they forced Israel to build it is the biggest load of horse sh-- argument I have ever heard. It's stupid. Israel stole and continues to steal Palestinian land. Any thoughts on the real issues instead of spinning more BS?

What are you a doctor of? Probably BS if I go by your post. It's not security, it is land theft. You want to keep them busy with other stuff while the Jews steal more and more land under "security". You think the world is as stupid as your patients. Sorry, no cigar.

Yeah, right, you know everything that's going on from where you live in the Western USA. Tap your head and join the rest of the world. Hypocrite.

Judges paid off? Sounds to me like they are a-okay. Build a fence on your own property, not property stolen from and belonging to your neighbor. Hooray for these good judges who found they do have testosterone. Get used to it. It certainly is an anomaly over there for any judge who okays targeted assassinations to say you can't build your wall on your neighbor's land. What if your neighbor built his fence on your property? Ah, thought so. Hypocrite.

Clickfool, the Israeli supreme court has made a number of rulings regarding the path of the fence. Almost everyone of these rulings has been to the favor of the Palestinians who live near the route of the fence. I don't have reason to argue with any of these rulings. It seems appropriate that a court make some of these decisions. My question to you is, can you point to a single court ruling about the route of the fence that the planners and builders of teh fence have not followed? It seems that you are insinuating that the court rules and then the military does as it pleases. Fact of the matter is the fence's route is controlled by the civilian political establishment and that EVERY court order has been respected regarding it's route. Are you prepared to provide evidence to the contrary? If not, why not? We await your answer.

Maurice to Labhras: "You always sound so patronizing and learned whereas in reality you are simply propagating distortions and hateful lies. Not even worth responding to. You had your chance" In other words, Labhras holds a different point of view from your own. If he is "not worth responding to", then why did you respond? Just a small question!

"Lbhrass, you pervert, you better not google any schools in any country. In the US the googlers of unsuspecting catholic children are going to jail and their protectors are being bankrupted." "No quarter", do you really think your language is appreciated here? Calling a poster with whom you do not agree "ass", and "pervert", does not further your cause. No wonder you do not post your town, state, country, or name.

"That Haaretz continues to allow propaganda and lies reminescent of the Nazis is appalling" Does every single Talkback, every time, just have to refer to the Holocaust, Nazis, etc? Because it certainly does.

It is true that there are many more pro-zionist posters here than posters who support Palestinian rights, such as Labhras and myself. However, if we were not here, what would you zionists do? Post congrats to yourself indefinitely? As regarding your use of the word "tormenting", what would you call cutting off the essentials for life for Gaza? No, wait...don't answer! I'll reply for you...justice, I expect you'd call it. Concerning your advice to Labhras to "seek help", because he supports the Palestinian people, my advice to you is to have a lovely day!

You are saying the Israeli High Court is "putting its nose where it doesn't belong"? If that's true, hard luck. I don't like what my government is doing in Iraq, either. We have to accept the rule of law.

Don't you ever get tired of re-pasting this same piece? Not only does it show discrimination against SECULAR JEWS, as well as Arabs, but it is also from 2001. It would be interesting to see what the statistics reflect today, seeing as the ultra-religious parties haven't held a pivotal position in the Knesset or government since 2000. At any rate, this single example does not in any way prove that Israel is not a democracy. It only proves that Israel is not perfect. I imagine you could find similar examples of imperfect democracy in, for example, the Republic of Ireland. Say, a teenage girl who has the misfortune to get knocked up.

Aha, I forgot one term of abuse used against the supporters of Palestinian rights here! It is, of course, the term "racist"... Funny how these zionists don't like to post their towns and countries, isn't it? Must be hiding something....

"You are like all other Zionists whose only defense is to throw out the usual and well worn "anti-semite` accusation. Pathetic." If I've heard that "anti-semite" accusation once, in my defense of Palestinian rights, I've heard it one thousand times. The next favourite is "Jew-hater". These terms have been used so often they should be wornout by now. "Now what is it I can not do in "Bublin" Dublin. I live in a true Denocracy and I challenge you to find one International law or Geneva convention Ireland is in contravention of." There is none at all. Ireland is a law-abiding democracy. Regards

The arrogance of this holier-than-thou poster with the mild ability to turn a phrase is appalling. Rarely has there been such a collection of sarcastic and slithery abuse flung at other peoples' opinions; yet, this is standard reference for Haaretz. The bashers get way more "ink", even if the only inkling they have for the conflict is this ridiculous ability to spew old statistics as if they somehow have new meaning as the foundation for "Israel bad; Palestinians good" (no alternatives; no discussion). If every Jew on earth had died yesterday,Labhras would find a way for that to somehow be a disappointing shortfall. The essence of "free speech" is that there's frequently a lot of disturbing and hurtful crap to be tolerated. But it doesn't go unnoticed. That's OK, you sorry, Jew-baiting excuse for a human being. I only torment the people I can see through.

stupid Israelis, the only way to deal with militant Arabs is to push them back into the countries where they belong - back into Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. When will Israelis wake up and see reality?? There is no other way to deal with a culture that is inherently violent and blood thirsty!!!

near Ramallah. The Friends of AL-Aqsa, Palestinian news, 4 September 2007, also reports: * The Israeli practice of carrying out medical experiments on Palestinian prisoners. * Israel has informed Mr Abbas of it's intention to invade Gaza. http"//www.aqsa.org.uk/news_detail.aspx?newsid=1468

Lbhrass, you pervert, you better not google any schools in any country. In the US the googlers of unsuspecting catholic children are going to jail and their protectors are being bankrupted.

When Jordon ruled over the Palestinians and Jerusalem they bullied the Palestinians and let Jerusalem decay. It was only after the capture and reunification of Jerusalem in 1967 that all of a sudden it became a holy site for the Moslems. It is the Jewish people that have built up Jerusalem to the beautiful city that it is today. Jordon did nothing earlier nor did the Palestinians. Whether you like it or not the Supreme court in Israel has smart people running it. The Israeli public listens to the court. If the court calls for changes then the people will follow the ruling.

Israel is accused of being an apartheid state for building a illegal separation barrier by the above three regular writers to Haaretz. Yet when the Israel High Court rules part of the barrier illegal, these same three accuse Israel of even worse crimes. How does one resolve this dilemma? I submit that as boring as it may be, there is only one explanation-a vile and gutter hatred of Jews and anything Israel does or tries to do or remedy. I wonder what newspaper in the UK or Ireland wsould put up with similsr hate statements against the Irish or British people that these three regularly harangue against Israel and the Jewish people That Haaretz continues to allow propaganda and lies reminescent of the Nazis is appalling.

Because if the barrier continues to steal Palestinian territory, screw peace, and it only shows us Palestinians, that Israel definitely does not have good intentions, and we'll continue resisting until Israel gets its sorry arse behind the green line of 1967, including East Jerusalem.

The pals and their supporters are dancing in the streets. This 1.7 km of fence will be torn down and re-built elsewhere. More than likely it will be built elsewhere somewhere east (outside) of the green line. The remaining 600 miles of wall will remain or be built close to where it was originally planned. The fence works. The fence will help bring peace. It's the pals who forced us to build this fence so it should be built on their land. If peace ever comes, the fence will be torn down.

Before we start exulting over a decision about a small section of an illegal wall, let's call for the transfer of the entire wall to Israel proper, the 1949 armistice line.

Instead of complaining about fences the arabs SHOULD BE COMPLAINING ABOUT TERRORISTS USING THEM AS POLITICAL PAWNS/HUMAN SHIELDS If the arab populace continues to shield/support terrorists - ISRAEL MUST PROTECT ITS PEOPLE BE CUTTING OFF THE ROUTES TERRORISTS USE TO ENTER ISRAEL

Maurice, if you think that Labhras is spreading lies and hate, read again. The posts are very rational, he does not just "sound" learned, he is a very sane and smart bloke. All the attacks on him, including the one about his having a "red nose," are in the main racist and personal jibes that do nothing to tarnish his comments. I would gladly raise a glass of Guinness to him in Lanagan's pub in Dublin. SLAINTE!

against the land grabbing WALL Policies, One can fool some justices some of the time but NOT all the times. The Chief Justice of the HIGH COURT of Democratic Israel should be congratulated for her Excellent Judgement.

Israel should ignore that court order and keep the wall where it is.And move Beilin to Gaza,they are nasty trouble makers. The safety of Isaeli's over-rides every thing else.

We in indonesia build wherever we like,and don't feel that we have to ask anyone's permission. Everyone gets paid,the police,the judges,no building inspectors.And everyone is happy.

As someone who knew only East European Jewishness for years (klezmer, knishses, kishka, blintzes, etc.), I agree with your evaluation of what is Jewishness today. Here is a good anecdote: The New York bubba is visiting her grandson, whose parents had immigrated to Tel Aviv. On the bus, she speaks to him in Yiddish. Another passenger comments: "This is Israel. Our language is Hebrew! Why are you teaching him Yiddish?" Bubba replies staunchly: "Because I do not want my grandson to ever forget that he is a Jew!"

Victor, can you please rewrite your message in standard (internatiional) English so we can all understand what you are trying to say. Thanks!

You could not respond to my response to you in #62 could you? "The rest of your post is just the usual pletherea of "anti semite" accusations" is no response to #62 as there are no "anti-semite" accusations there. It is just plaine reality and you have no answer unless you want to distort it! Which is very understandble.

Ironic you chose the word 'Torment". Ironic indeed. In any event, my mind is clear and your rather childish medical interventions speak volumes about you. I repeat, I torment only those who torment others or are a party to that torment.Where do you fit. Regards

You always sound so patronizing and learned whereas in reality you are simply propagating distortions and hateful lies. Not even worth responding to. You had your chance.

labbo you had me rolling in the aisles with this post !! your precious free for all paddy land and catholic schools are overwhemed by sinners ! keep it up all you need is ared nose !!

Avraham is what many consider the typical Israeli. Law does not apply to them, and, of course, they are entitled to oppress whomsoever they like. Imagine building a wall to protect people who are there illegally anyway, and stealing Palestinian lands and livelihoods in the process. If only Uncle Sam would raise his voice against Israeli wickedness the way he threatens the rest of world. Now we await implementation, and who will suffer instead.

Perhaps one day the Jewish state will stop "tormenting" Palestinians. For our perspective this is exactly what the conflict is about, ending the occupation. I understand your perspective, namely, a desire for security. But objective eyes can see, that Israel's behavior is primarly geared toward retention of as much land as possible with as few nonJews as possible. Second objective is to make life as miserable as possible for Arabs to encourage as many to leave as possible. Third objective is to deal with the inevitable security problems that are created with objective 1 and 2.

You wrote---"Anyone catch the news about blacks being unable to find schools in Ireland to admit them? I did." Fistly it is not about "blacks", (Your word) It is about Non Catholics being allowed into Catholic schools.These schools have already taken in tens of thousands of Non Catholics and have no more room until the State provides more.I dont think Israel is in a position to preach to Ireland about "Religious Schools". Try it it you wish, but do so at your peril.If you google Irish Catholic schools you will find many sites to air your differences on.Hell you might even learn something new.

What is it's "jewishness" most of what I see as "Jewishness" is borrowed from the Europeans or from the other semitic tribes that never left the region. What is this "Jewishness'? Even the Kippah is not Jewish, it was initially impose on the Jews by the Catholic Church..so what is it to be a Jew? I suspect that if we ran into an Israelite from centuries before we wouldn't recognize each other AT ALL....those people have long assimilated and died.

How wonderful to be back among my non-violent friends in Palestine. Equally wonderful is that I got here without ever having to set foot in Tel Aviv, which I detest. We are happy today in Bili'in, but we don't really expect Israel to follow its own laws any more than it follows international laws.

If you are right then Israel should never have lost against countless enemies, the Temple would never have been destroyed by the Romans who prospered for 300 years after that...what are you talking about, there was nothing miraculous about Israel, it was very simple, post holocaust politics...it can be lost again, as it has many, many times before.

Driving through Israel by the separation barrier, it becomes clear that Israel actually gave away way too much land. On the Israeli side, development is pushing right up to the wall, while on the PA side there is nothing. I don't understand why Israel gave away so much land the PA doesn't need. All of the West Bank belongs to Israel, for historical, military, and political reasons (for example, because both Jordan and the Arafat government explicitly refused to take the land). As little of it as possible should be given to the Arabs, because then it just goes to waste. And they have so much land already anyway! The borders and the wall should be redrawn equidistant from all built-up areas.

rejecting her and the High Court's debilitating rule.

You wrote---"Ireland is an island and it acquired its democracy and low corruption from Britain along with the prevailing Germanic tongue English. Israel is trying to resurrect its Jewishness rising from the Arab cultural sea. Your comparison is laughable," I take it you believe what you wrote so I will respond. 1, Ireland got it,s freedom,(through struggle for 600+ years)from Britain. 2, Ireland is a Republic and as such is based on the American model. 3, As to low corruption, I dont quite get your drift.We are about average on the corruption scale. I was offering a better goal to shoot for. The Poster I responded to was willing to settle for less than the best. Got it.

Anyone catch the news about blacks being unable to find schools in Ireland to admit them? I did.

Maurice you wrote---"If the Israeli Arabs were treated as in an apartheid system they wouldn`t start complaining when suggestions were made for territory exchange with settlements! I lived there for four years and I saw it with my own eyes that the Israeli Arabs are very happy and prosperous there." Sean never once mentioned Israeli Arabs in his post #19. What sleight of mind did you use to interpret it that way.Expediency I expect.He is talking about the Occupied territories.Maybe you should visit there on your next sojourn. Re stolen Lands.Israel is not allowed to annex lands or build Illegal Settlements.See below. Check article 2.4 of the UN charter, re Inadmissability of territories gained through war.(Regardless of who started it.)

You make such a good poignant point. Unfortunately our justice system is rotten to the core, and they do not care one bit about the Jews who suffer because of their ludicrous laws. I have lived in Israel many many years and have never felt so angry and depressed at the Govt and their cohorts in justice.

UNRES overwhelmingly are passed as follows---144 for --5 or 6 against. You seem to think that most of the rest of the world has been hijacked by the Arabs. ItIs convenient but self dilusional. The vote on "Least like"is based on Israel,s treatment of the Palestinian People and the distaste is growing as are efforts to boycott Israel.Ignore it at your peril. The rest of your post is just the usual pletherea of "anti semite" accusations.Boring.

Don't get too excited from these anti-Israel diatribes. They are motivated from a hatred of Jewish sovereignty. Read between the lines- they are saying "Jews shouldn't have an army to defend Jewish lives, nor a state for Jewish self-determination." If their loved ones were at risk, they would be very militant.

how racist you are towards Jews, is it just an accident or perhaps there is a degree of truth to it? You know, tormenting, be it an animal or another human being is a sickness. With the amount of tormenting that you have done here towards Jews and the Jewish state, the Jews' most important national institution during the 20th and 21st centuries, there is no doubt that you should seek help, and fast.

The high court has no business butting into matters that involve our security. Their left wing agenda is not acceptable & posses a danger to us.

Note also that the success of a country is not measured by external factors such as prejudiced opinion polls and biased UN decisions that carry no value. True success is measured by the democratic institutions that a country is able to build and by the standard and quality of living of its citizens. None of the moslem/arab countries can measure up to Israel! Just compare the GDP per capita in Israel (over 20K) to that in your arab/moslem countries. So please stop the as we are not stupid here!

People thought they bought an apartment in Matitiyahu East got ripped off by Hefziba. Now, moving the fence, exposes them to arab terror. Who is this court protecting anyhow?

Hey, Labhras, Ireland is an island and it acquired its democracy and low corruption from Britain along with the prevailing Germanic tongue English. Israel is trying to resurrect its Jewishness rising from the Arab cultural sea. Your comparison is laughable, z

I usually ignore your comments because they are so full of pejudice, ugly propaganda, racism and hate. But I will answer this time since you have addressed me: Regarding your 1st point: I visit every year Israel. I have NOT experienced a single security problem yet. The problems are at the border were the terrorists are now BLOCKED thanks to the security WALL and other measures. Tourists in Israel enjoy MORE security and freedom than in London (remember the subway bombings?). Tel Aviv is like a small New York, always fun to visit! Your 2nd point: The poll you are mentioning is coming from the UK/Europe full of arabs and antisemites. No wonder! Note that tourism in Israel went up 60% this year compared to last year. Last point: The UN resolutions were adopted thanks to the majority of a bunch of arab and third world countries which do not even know what democracy means. The UN in effect has been highjacked by these countries due to their sheer number and has lost all credibility!

Dina, most of your post is just a repeat of your prior one so not really worthy of response, except. Chow.

Dina you have no arguments, but only accusations. This is the stereotype of behaving as a victom for ever. Accusation is not bringing you any where, only facts count, and right now you do not have any. Try to see things in the eye of your neighbours, then you will be able to make peace.

I did not manage to end my last response to you so I carry on what does your Nobel Prize winner think of the suicide bombers that have murdered and maimed and left orphans. These are vicious not our IDF. I presume you were one of the Bi'ilin regulars - you guys from Ireland love this kind of thing.

there they go again, putting the conviniance of the Arabs before the lives of the Jews.

If the Israeli Arabs were treated as in an apartheid system they wouldn't start complaining when suggestions were made for territory exchange with settlements! I lived there for four years and I saw it with my own eyes that the Israeli Arabs are very happy and prosperous there. Regarding stolen lands that's another piece of BS. Israel was the result of UN partition which the arabs did not accept. Read history! And the so called occupied territories are the result of a defensive war that was supposed to annihilate the country which Israel WON! They are not stolen territories either. Those territories will be returned ONLY when secure peace is achieved, just like Sinai was given back to Egypt. Finally as far as targeting children is concerned obviously you are shutting your ears to the criminal intentful attack of Hamas on Shedrot schools yesterday. Israel NEVER attacks children intentfully. Children are killed because they're used as human shields. Sean you are full of BS!

The IDF is NOT a "vicious Army!" They are young people who have n0 ot had the time to lead a normal life after school because of the many wars your arabian friends have waged against us - AND LOST- time and time again.

Hi Don Camillo--Do you recall as recently as 4-6 weeks there was another IHCJ Ruling in which a local IDF commander was on the mat for refusing to remove road blocks or some such obstacles. He had actually been ignoring an earlier ruling but continued to do so.I bet that has not been resolved. So much for Israei Democracy. Regards

Well said!

Maurice - here are just a few of Israel,s notable achievements. 1, 2nd least safe country in the world.(Iraq is first, but we know who to blame for that) 2, Least liked Country in the world. 3, Number 1 on the UN,S list of Resolutions passed against it for it,s continuous "Bad behaviour'. And you percieve that as progress??.Interesting. BTW Stop comparing yourself to countries in the middle east run by dictators, most of them supported by the US. Compare your self to real Democracies.You don,t stack up so well in that scenario.

I am glad that Israel's Supreme Justice took the lawful decision, but I doubt it will be implemented. Among many examples I mention Biram and Ikrit, whose citizens repeatedly were allowed by the Supreme Justice and even the Government to return to their robbed villages, but to no avail. The Military-Security system said no, and that's it.

We know how to identify racists when we see them, and you are clearly one of them, an anti-Jewish racist. And incidentally, I don't take sides, only the sides of honest analysis and respect for the truth and for the other. You in that sense are obviously not on my side. P.S. As I recall, a number of people have noticed the same about you, right here! P.P.S. If you cared about the Arabs of this land and wanted to reach Israelis, you should approach them in Hebrew which is where they discuss matters. All that you do here is spitting dirt at other Jews and finding Israel as an excuse.

The art of perception is not your strong point,is it. Ibrahim has no need to use a fake name.Why would he. BTW Are you not proud of where you are,???.

They change their names on here because they need to hide and pretend their are more then there really are. I can always count on the Brit Empire's representatives appearing here first to trash and bash like this new cretin Sean who pontificates and pretends to actually know something about the situation beyond the usual desperate bash/trash info they all get from the far left sources who in turn are getting it from Islamists who's arses they now lick with glee. Pathetic creatures they all are ...

Brant refers to "the biased and stacked International Court of Justice in the Hague". Hopefully ALL courts are BIASED and STACKED in favor of the LAW. Can you imagine outcomes if the Nuremberg Trials were not stacked in favor of the law? It seems that Brant is critical of the International Court because they do not rule in favor of the illegal acts of Israel. Sooner or later, the world must deal with all outlaw countries, if we desire a secure, long lasting peace.

It is so clear from your hateful words that you are burning with intense jealousy, as deep inside you know that none of your moslem countries can even start to compete with Israel as far as democracy and progress is concerned.

Thank God there is no parallel!

Imagine the headline, "Palestinian Supreme Court orders halt to Qassem-fire." Imagine Palestinian democracy reaching the level of Israeli democracy, however low or high you judge that to be. And the IDF does whatever the civilian government tell it to do, even evicting Jews from their homes. In 2005 the IDF chief was fired for refusing to go along with the Gaza disengagement, and since then, the IDF chiefs have been handpicked by Olmert to follow his instructions. Which got Dan Halutz in trouble. Now, Gabi Ashkenazi is just as much of a slave to Olmert as Halutz was.

Those who speak do not know.

1.7 km rerouting is ~0.25 promille (0.0025) of the 680 km fence. So everyone who is up in arms for or against the fence should put this in perspective. Who does not make such a small mistake on such a mammoth building project anywhere in the world?

You wrote---"I know, you are not able and permitted to do it in the streets of Bublin, and you have the need to do it here, without even identifying your real name and location." Will you be making that same complaint to all those on your side who do not pass your "Personal details" test. BTW.I dont see that you measure up to your own standards. Do have a nice day.

does what it has been told. I fully expect that this will be a hollow victory for the Palestinians as the military will just ignore the court. Since the court has no realistic way to enforce the order, nothing will happen in the end. Personally I would like to see the court throw a whole bunch of Israeli military and civilian leaders into the same prisons that Israel throws thousands of Palestinians into. Maybe when Israelis leaders are treated as bad as the Palestinians they might develop some humanity.

I look forward to the supplementary judgement about the damages to be paid to the villagers of Bili'in. Or is somebody going to maintain that the unlarful activities of the Israeli state have not cost them anything? And yes, it is comforting that at least in some cases Israeli courts find for Palestinians - but it might spark people to wonder what was the system of deciding a line for the wall which led to such a blatantly improper decision, implemented before the law could intervene.

Hi Dina. Firstly can you show me where I ever said I hate Jews.You are wrong I hate Jews who approve of the endless Brutal occupation of the Palestinian People, and all the injustices that are part and parcel of it.Sorry I cannot make your day and tell you what you want to hear. Tell me what degree of knowledge do I need to allow me to find justification for Israel,s Crimes. You are like all other Zionists whose only defense is to throw out the usual and well worn "anti-semite' accusation. Pathetic. Now what is it I can not do in "Bublin" Dublin. I live in a true Denocracy and I challenge you to find one International law or Geneva convention Ireland is in contravention of. You have only yourselves to blame for any belittlement you feel. Try making peace.

Abe? You utter the same nonsense, using the same style and with the same arrogance that is so characteristically yours. So why change from Ibrahim - a nobel name - to Abe, such an American name? Aren't you proud in who you are, an Arab who resides in Michigan and who thinks he knows all about us, the Jewish people and our state, the Jewish state of Israel?

I think this is a just decision by the Court. I will not condemn the building of this wall per se (many in my own country want to build one from the Gulf of Mexico to San Diego, after all), even though I think it is a little silly. Any reasonably fit youung man with 30 foot of rope could be over it in about a minute-bomb belt and all. I certainly do not give blanket support for the route of the wall, as it does seem to needlessly appropriate land beloning to several Palestinian villages. However, all of this talk of the "green-line" is also a little a silly. That line was never set in stone (Armistice 1949), and people who really want peace just have tp accept that some of the land is going to stay Jewish. I do not see any of you demanding that land taken from Syria and given to Turkey be give back, or that the Kurds be given their own land, etc. Most of the conflict in the Middle East is the natural result of greedy Europe's former colonial ambitions in the region. Don't blame Israel

You mean, Indonesia? HA HA HA, dont make me laught. Please, dont compare Israel to Indonesia. No paralel whatsoever.

Below, read what Lord Caradon said, and note where it states there could be no justification for the annexation of territory on the Arab side of the 67 line,just because it been conquered in the 67 war.Got it victor, no mass land grabs or land theft.Caradon is quite clear on that point. "Knowing as I did the unsatisfactory nature of the 1967 line, I wasn?t prepared to use wording in the Resolution that would have made that line permanent. Nonetheless, it is necessary to say again that the overwhelming principle was the ?inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war? and that meant that there could be no justification for the annexation of territory on the Arab side of the 1967 line merely because it had been conquered in the 1967 war." That is what the Judges in Socialist slippers are using as their guide.But what would you know about justice. Go back to sleep victor and stop yelling.

My guess is that it's the Military Junta, which clearly does what it likes without regard to either the legal system or Israel's government and lawmakers. Israel - the only democracy in the Middle East? It's enough to make a cat laugh.

THe fences and walls have two purposes. Neither of them are good. The first is a pathetic excuse for defense. Olmert lacks the courage, knowledge and ability to have the I.D.F. deal with terrorists properly. Under a real leader, the I.D.F. could quickly destroy the terrorists. The fences and walls enable Olmert to say he is doing something about terror. Rubbish, of course. The second purpose is to establish a defacto border with the terror state Olmert is planning to create. Olmert will soon be gone. Strong patriotic Jews of faith will reclaim all of Israel. The ghetto fences and walls will go down forever.

That day will never come as Israel is here to stay wheather you like it ir not. And Israel's democracy needs no lessons from somone from a corrupt third world country.

This says a lot (all very good) about the system of government in Israel...lets us hope that the military complies....very impressed.

Actually the IDF has a recent but increasing history of totally ignoring any High Court or Supreme Court rulings that don't suit. This apartheid Wall has nothing to do with stopping suicide bombers. It was intended as an apartheid barrier to separate the scum and vermin from God's Chosen Race. Source? Former West Bank GOC Tat-Olaf (Major General) Ya'el Golan in a public lecture in April 2007 in Jerusalem. This Wall, just like the Berlin Wall and the Inner German Border, weaves and encircles and enclaves its way across Pal land obeying the whim of the local settler councils who what the land and the roads and the aquifers. The sooner the world wakes up to the fact that Court rulings mean nothing in Israel, the quicker this evil Wall can be cast into the dustbin of history like the Berlin Wall was.

Regardless of the subject matter, you seem to enjoy spitting in the faces of Jews, and in particular Israeli Jews. I know, you are not able and permitted to do it in the streets of Bublin, and you have the need to do it here, without even identifying your real name and location. If you did it with a degree of knowledge, I would say, at least you do so from a position of knowledge of the Jewish people and Israel, but you seem to truly be ignorant about Israeli society short of propaganda that you receive from anti-Jewish racists. Do you relly derive that much pleasure by belitlle us? And as some wise person once said, only a little person belittle the other!

Go tell that to the thousands of Palestinians who are rotting in the Israeli gulag under administrative detention. How many Jews are so held?

So getting shot and gassed is "fun" Your vicious army attacks even peacefull protests. A fact verified by an Irish Nobel peace prize winner Mairead Corrigan. In thirty years of trouble here in the north she said she never witnessed such callous brutality and lack of respect for human life as the misnamed IDF dole out on a daily basis.

"PALESTINIAN" STATE.THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE SHALL BRING WORLD WAR BEFORE ANYONE DIVIDES HIS LAND.ALL THOSE CALLING FOR SUCH A TERRORIST STATE TO BE BORN WILL BURN IN THE FIRE OF HELL.YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. DOES HAARETZ BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH??I DOUBT IT!

Perhaps this all powerful Supreme Court could order the Hamas to stop shooting Quassams. Or better still move the Supreme Court to Shederot.

Sam You wrote---"Knowing the Israeli System is heavy in curruption it is ovious that something here is not Kosher. I am not orthodox but I wonder how much these judges were paid off." Please be a tad more specific. Who would pay them off. The Settlers----nope. Olmert----Nope Netenyahoo---Nope Aipac---Nope. Hamas---Possible --Still a nope. Abbas---Nope, his boss Olmert would not have approved it. The Saudis.The US.The Irish.The Finns.The Aussies. I am running out of ideas.Can you help. Maybe if you look into Beit Zourik versus Israel 2056/04 it might help you in you "conspiracy Theory'.

You are either deluding yourself or you actually believe that nonesense, if its the latter then that is truely scary. Your state is a by-word for racist discrimination which is in-built in your sick joke of a legal system. Open your eyes and ears and see the truth, a state built on stolen lands,that practises ethnic cleansing and seals the original inhabitants into ghetoes and bantustans. A brutal army that targets children as a deliberate policy. Equal before the law my ass !

An excuse to build a apartheid fence on Plaestinian land.Build the fence on your own land. Furthermore end the occupation,and stop making every excuse for not wanting peace.Strange to see a high court in Israel making a decision against the criminals IDF,problem is how long will it take for this to be implemented. Israelis have every right to protect themselves as much rights as the Plaestinians have to resist the occupation.

they have failed to read the 1949 armistice terms these LINES MUST NOT BE CONSTRUED AS A BORDER ! NO WONDER THEY WANT TO KEEP THE OLD LAWYERS COMMIE CLUB RUNNING , YOU DONT HAVE TO KNOW ANY LAW !!

Am I suppose to be happy? To congratulate the so-called Israel for its institutions? For an efficiente Judiciary? Come on. I long to see the day that building in Jerusalem - which you call Supreme Court - will be converted in a Mosque.

This is welcome news. Let's hope and pray that (a) the authorities comply with the ruling as soon as possible and (b) that this is only the first of many successful efforts to compel the State of Israel to reverse its policy of landgrab under the pretense of security.

The article says that the Wall "juts" in WB territory. Appropriating 10.1% of WB territory and having 80% cut through Palestinian land, causing extreme hardship and loss of livelihoods for tens of thousands of Palestinians, is hardly 'jutting'. The Wall is illegal under international law and the entire Wall should be moved to the Green Line, so this minor blip of a decision is welcome but obscures the larger injustice. The Wall appropriates prime Palestinian agricultural land and aquifers in the guise of 'security'. Pathetic that 'security' in this case means appropriating yet more Palestinian land to protect land stolen previously as settlements, so that Palestinians are having land stolen from them twice, both instances illegal under international law. Tunnels, gates and a Kafkaesque permit system are meant to give Palestinians 'transportational' rather than geographic contiguity. Communities and livelihoods are being systematicaly destroyed. Shame on Israel.

Hi dafna-- you seem somewhat out of touch. The IHCJ makes a ruling but the Apartheid State of Israel will not carry it out. Think about it. Do a little research on the subject and let us know how many times Israeli Governments have given the finger to the IHCJ. Check Beit Zourik versus Israel 2056/04 for some imsight. As to all Arabs and Jews standing equal, check the following. Here are some facts about the level of equality in education in Israel Here are the funding figures for 2001 published by the Central Bureau of Statistics in 2004. Each Arab student in Israel received resources-after teachers salaries had been excluded-of $150 a year, less than a quarter of the sum ,$740, spent on Jewish pupils in secular State schools.The State discriminated yet further in allocations to Jewish religious schools, where each student was getting resources in excess of $2200, or twelve times as much as an Arab pupil.This has been achieved by a duplicitous system of double funding that allows the religious schools to apply for money from both the Education Ministry and the Religious Affairs Ministry. Almost no funds are available for the funding of non Jewish religious schools. As a result of this, many Jewish parents, including secular ones are sending their children to extremist religious schools so that they can benefit from the higher budget.

Hi nobody---You ask-- "Where are the usual loathing and racist responses denouncing any criticism on Israel`s "security policies" and the priority of "security" over anything else?". Surprise, surprise. They are all comfortably consuming their daily dose of "revenge to the Palestinians".Check the thread on cutting off water and electricity to Gaza. They are not going to allow their sacred belief in their status of "victimhood",to be diluted by a mere insignificant entity such as the Israel High Court of Justice .Ignorance is bliss.But who can blame them, they follow the example of their leaders.

There's no time to react. We are all worried what Fridays Protesters will do without their Bi'ilin Fun Day. Poor dears!!

that the Israeli Justice System is vulnerable to corruption? I have not seen much evidence of that, maybe the Justice Minister, but certainly not judges themselves. No Sam, the government might be corrupt from top to bottom, but the judiciary is separate and must be. Israeli judges are honest, I'm quite sure. Something, however, must be done soon to get state control over Yesha Council's machinations.

In case if terorists would murder anybody in Modiin Ilit (the residents of which this fence was erected to protect) these 3 judges must be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Knowing the Israeli System is heavy in curruption it is ovious that something here is not Kosher. I am not orthodox but I wonder how much these judges were paid off.

I don't trust the Apartheid regime in Israel to implement this sensible change. After all a country which pretends a land stealing wall will provide security obviously doesn't care about the security of either its own citizens or the people (Palestinians) from whom they are stealing the land

country ruled by law, and all, Arabs and Jews alike, stand equal before the law of the land! (go tell that to those who call us an apartheid country!)

The Defense Ministry has said it will comply with the court ruling and Israeli history shows that Israelis comply with the rulings of their high court (as opposed for example to complying with the biased and stacked ICJ in the Hague). There is no lesson here for supporters of Israeli democracy since the system works; (so much so that it was a Palestinian Arab Israeli citizen who stood up and denounced the one-sidedness of the just-ended UN Conference held at the European Parlianment). No, the lesson is for "Nobobdy" and others like Vickery: Imagine the PA having a court where they would hear cases plead by the representatives of dead Israeli babies, seeking redress for their loss. Imagine Palestinian judges who would dare to suggest that after 60 years of refusal to deal with modern reality (let alone the reality of the longer history of Israel)compromise is in order. Israel will move the fence, but today or tomorrow, IJ will send more Kassams at kindergartens in unoccupied territory.

It has become clear lately that there is an increasing disconnect between state authorities /judicial system and the IDF / settlers in the West Bank. IDF officers are often themselves kippa-wearing settlers. Altering the wall route will cause additional expense that Israel can little afford at this time, so it is very possible that Abdullah Abu Rahma and other residents of Bili'in will find their hopes dashed. Take note though that International activists will be keeping a close watch on this issue to ensure that the high court decision is indeed implemented. And that will be the precedent needed to bring justice to other like Palestinian communities whose lands have been unnecessarily subsumed by the wall for purposes of settlement expansion. We do understand this, you know.

This at last is heartening in this long-drawn out peaceful protest. The Bil'in land must be restored to the village as soon as possible, and they should be recompensed for the loss of income over past years. They should also be generously recompensed for their olive trees which have been burnt by Israelis on this "mis-appropriated" land. And remember, this land usurpation is not confined to this area alone. There are other injustices crying to heaven - and the courts - for justice.

Where are the usual loathing and racist responses denouncing any criticism on Israel's "security policies" and the priority of "security" over anything else? Is it too inconvinient to label the Israeli High Court as self-hating Jews, Israel-haters, supporters of terror, etc.? Seemingly self-restraint is exercised when it comes to Israeli institutions in the few cases where a Palestinian position is rightfully supported. Well, save your racist comments for the next non-Israeli who dares to propose a solution to the conflict, which is not based on Apartheid.

is what democracy is all about. Thank Heavens for the Israeli judicial system, and imprecations upon the head of Justice Minister Daniel Friedmann, who is trying to weaken and politicize it. I am certain that the Orthodox will not agree with me on this one.