Bush says Israeli, Palestinian leaders off to a hopeful start

If you insist and it satifies you, go ahead and play with your dildo of Josh & I being one and the same--You have seen a few Arabs, I've seen thousands--One swallow does not a summer make, nor does the few arabs you have seen make up the Arab population--As long as your on these boards, I will continue to expose your ignorance and horseshit--That train you keep tooting, it will be derailed, and you can use your our crystal ball for a suppository--

Yes, we have some Palestinians in Vegas, two prominent ones are doctors, and they are of dark complexion. Who asked you? Josh says that Pals are not "colored". Well, they are certainly not white, esp those huddled masses we see on TV. I have no plans on arguing nonsense with you and your alter ego Josh all day long about something so obvious. You are both idiots and deserve each other. Olmert says Josh needs to get with the peace train or pack his shit and get out. Why did Olmert say it? Cause Dubya said it to him. Why would Dubya say that to his life long friend? Cause the Arabs and the rest of the world are tired of Zionist BS and warmongering. Focus on that. Watch Dubya get it done. I looked in my crystal ball long ago, told you about the donkey parable, and now we see reality unfolding, which is back to 1967 lines with minor adjustments or get the f--- out. Now, is there anything unclear about that? Don't post me anymore BS. Focus on issues. The world sees the Pals!

You wouldn't know a Palestinian if he knocked you on your ample backside--They come in all colors, from Nubian black to Abbas white--All you have to do is have some intelligence and actually look at a photo, or better take a trip and see them--I have seen Red Haired Arabs, courtesy of the Crusaders, in the days that I visited Arab villages--As usual, you're all bull and no knowledge--If you have a Mosque in your town, go see what the people look like--Keep on displaying your ignorance, suits me fine--You peace train that you're touting isn't going anywhere--It's a pity you can't read or understand the Hebrew media--In fact, I think you have a great deal of ignorance all around--

Josh, you must understand one thing--Anyone that prefixes their idiocy with a "say" has nothing really to say--It's like a child crying mommy, mommy, mommy, begging for attention--In her case, these forums are her dildo--She is soooo concerned with the ME she doesn't give a crap for her own people-She once said she had four children, the question comes to mind, how marry were out of wedlock---If she is an example, they all were--

You need to go study with "17" whom you were trying to correct yesterday. I think you imbibe. You must have never seen a Palestinian. You say they are not "colored". I see you are blind and drunk. They certainly look 'colored' to the naked eye. They have more 'color' than many African Americans. Say, ole Olmert is selling tickets to the last peace train, toot toot. I told you that ole Dubya was gonna free his cajones from the Arab wringer and he has set about doing just that. Now Condi says you treat the Pals like Blacks were treated in the South--that is wonderful, so now the bible thumping blacks can relate to that and focus on the actions of those we always thought were god's chosen. Toot, toot. 2 states or get out; Dubya told Olmert and he now tells the Jews. No euphemisms there and no more taxpayer ninny. Regards.

I suggest you get the DVD entitled "Farewell Israel" Haaretz touted. The "sources" you spurn are those historical figures speaking to various world bodies about the need for land in Palestine. Michael, Mariah and me could just not go plop down in Nigeria stating we are members of the black race now, could we? I thnk we have hit a disconnect here. The issue is and always has been whether folks who once lived in a land have a right to come back 2000 years later in the 21st century and oust the inhabitants. Would Americans accept Indians or Mexicans doing that in the US? So, you must be talking about a world project to save unwanted Jews. What EXACTLY is the issue on which you focus? The operative issue is the one I have just cited, and the world body and its various proclamations indicate you and yours have no such right. Explain please. Regards.

A very good friend of mine and a very good friend of my very good friends and nobody that you thought of in the first place at all.

You don't see us at all?

Poor John, who are you going to vote for next year....Ralph Nader....??? :)

Even Israeli names are in America, not Israel. Maybe there is one (out of 282). I understand now that I am not special in that I can't say a thing. There is too much conflict, for me, between the wish for peace, the terrible "Olmert", the weak Abbas and company, the missing Hamas, our rightists/religious extremists, Syria, and then the mortal danger from further out - Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, and much more... Obviously, other Israelis have various other inner conflicts. And, by the way, do you see many Arabs over here?

because no real soild person could create such acomplete farce at annnapolis !

I just spent an hour watching Miri Eisen, the PM's spokesperson talking at the National Press Club on C-SPAN. She not only talked about why this move is needed now for Israelis, but also why Palestinians need it too. When she took questions, the pro-Likudniks tried to start a debate without success. They couldn't even shout her down. She also talked about how the final document will in all likelihood go to plebecite in Israel, too.

BJ was every other post on every thread; now it is Josh on every other post on every thread and no BJ. Today was BS sling day; breaks up the monotony with a couple of the certified bigots. Missed your posts. Love to read em. High regards. Ballistic.

Don't you think I have better things to do? Gabe, I see that our views on Settlements are different. There's nothing wrong with building settlements but when the dispute with the Arabs is over the ownership of this land which was conquered in 1967, despite it being ancient Jewish biblical land, why assume that it would be eventually annexed by us? I personally don't think this was the correct Israeli policy and I believe that the majority of Israelis believe the same. Now, it's possible to negotiate retaining some of these settlements with the Palestinians and exchanging other areas for them. There is no justification whatsoever to have sent suicide bombers because of these settlements either. The religious war with Islam has developed gradually over the years and the Israel/Palestinian conflict has contributed to perpetuating it as well. By the way, Israel contributed to the strengthening of these extremists like Hamas, etc. when they rose to counter Fatah and that's been known.

about time you showed up! this thread's new to me, though...wasn't on yesterday... it's probably played out by now anyway... i see you've noticed it, too... relative quiet from good ol' ben while josh from no where is suddenly every where... i may have to fight back my poetic responses...after reading a few of ben-josh's feeble attempts... dammmmmmm...if mine are that pathetic i need to quit. cheers!

do you mind giving a biblical reference for adam being "white"? and as to your less than subtle racial slur, nickwick; may i ask how you arrived at the conclusion that these skeletons were those of black skinned creatures... maybe they were from "white" apes...i mean after all...YOU'VE proven beyond a doubt that they exist.

Golly Josh, poor lad, anybody living in Judea at the time were called "Jews", just like everybody living in Texas are called "Texans" having nothing to do with race, religion or ethnicity and they were not what you refer to as "Jews" today. Research it bright light and prove me wrong. You are just hopelessly ignorant, or deceitful or both. Jews aren't mentioned in the bible except with derision by Jesus for a reason. You can make your "his story" whatever you want. Say, I am King Tut's niece, how's that? Doesn't make it so. Regards.

To my Palestinian friends: NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM!

rather than guve credence to Tosefta. I just read your cogent points,and they certainly make more sense than Tosfta's No wonder you are confused,because Tosefta has a one track mind and will be no help to you in what you are trying to ask,and put forward. You say and I quoteyour paragraph four:. Hamas is in fact a terrorist organisation in both word and deed; the EU, Canada, Australia, Japan and US all agree on this point; and Hamas is even banned outright in Jordan. Its 1988 charter, still in effect, commits it to the destruction of Israel. And its violence toward Israel (recall Beersheva, Aug 2004) and Gazan opposition just this month are proof of its nature.(Morris) In a nutshell you have answered your own question..no need to give kind regards.Not deserved...

After quoting PM Olmert saying there is no Arab and no Muslim state with which Israel doesn't seek peace, you write a sentence that bears absolutely no relationship with the former statement, namely: "Israel wants peace, but on its terms, and after being left in possession of all its stolen real estate." I am sure it's the Hebrew language you are having a hard time with. Try an English translation and you will understand what PM Olmert said, namely: "There isn`t a single Arab state in the north, in the east or in the south with which we do not seek peace. There isn`t a single Muslim state with which we do not want to establish diplomatic relations."

"Hey Mark,cheer up,you ain?t dead yet?" - Josh I am a lot older than that day some 40 or so years ago when I decided I would like to see Israel have one day of peace before I died. "And stop being nasty to Israel if you don?t mind." - Josh The worst enemies of peace for Israel 40 years ago were Arabs Josh. Now it is the Israeli right. "All the jackboot,settlements etc." - Josh Go live as a Palestinian in the west bank and come tell me there is no oppression and that you welcome Israel settlers expropriating your best land. "None of your business anyway?" - Josh I guess not. Were it not for that old dream of peace for Israel. "be happy and care for the U.S.of A.." - Josh We have already lost our democracy Josh, perhaps Israel can save it's democracy.

"The question is how to change reality. If you get stuck on a definition, this will be the end of all creativity." - Tosefta Those most opposed to the proper use of definitions - or even the idea that words should have clear definitions - are those most opposed to reality. "Eschew Obfuscation, Elucidate!"

"As far as Hamas the terrorist and its charter, I mentioned to you previously what value it has." - Tosefta It is curious that the only people left in the world who actually proclaim the Hamas Charter are those who cannot accept any possible peace? I was for all but the last and least portion of my life a Republican. We always had a "Platform" upon which everyone "ran" and which never, ever, amounted to a hill of beans when it came time to exercise power. George W. Bush always ran on platform of fiscal responsibility, limited federal government and opposed to the very same evil of "Judicial Activism" which appointed him to office. Understand my cynicism about "charters and platforms." Also understand that like the Great Republican and President, Theodore Roosevelt, I think that "Actions speak louder than words."

"Regarding the Green Line, nobody is insisting on exactly the same line. Some ter5ritorial exchange is a given." - Tosefta I can see tactical and strategic points of the 'green line" I would like resolved in Israel's favor. That is not the position of the Israeli government Tosefta. The position of the Israeli government is simple. Anything - and only that - the Jews don't want the Arabs can have. This will never work.

Tosefta, the evolution of Hamas has been met with the devolution of Israel. Hamas showed signs of evolution over the last decade, and certainly after it won the elections and controlled the PA. NOTHING showed that more than their willingness to allow Abbas - not a member of Hamas - to negotiate with Israel. All of this does not matter. Israel has devolved to a brutally pre-Rabin state. Were those running Israel today - or anyone likely to be the next Prime Minister - honest enough to propose the truth, they would say the Palestinians had better make way before Israel finds it necessary to exterminate all of the sub-humans polluting Judea and Samaria. There is no hope of peace, because no one with the power to help it happen wishes to see peace. Bush could supply the excuse for ANY Israeli PM to make peace, but if he is not willing to make the kind of threats his father did to promote Oslo, then there is no hope. Olmert is too weak and a coward as well. Abbas has been destroyed.

ballistic Liers like you make up inaccurate stories that bears nothing but lies.The palis in the main are not coloured as you suppose.Have you been over there,seen them?Oh you are a mischif maker.Just because you could not take the heat hee among a few of us,you go whining to lakshmi. Well,you know the saying:If cannot stand the heat,get out of the kitchen...

Mark For some reason Toss is not in the mood to talk with you.I noticed when you gave him the website and he said problems with his computer? Well,perhaps it was an excuse,though I am not saying it was not genuine.By the way,I tried to get to the site,notice said: "not recognized".Did it correctly twice too.No dice.Are you sure you put out the correct URL and the rest accurately? You said and I quote:He told Blitzer that Abbas would be able to go to Gaza with an agreement and the people would force acceptance on Hamas. Mark,where did you read,or see this? Clarification please.Interesting comment...

And Huckabees answer was that the surrounding Arab states would have more than enough land for the Palestinians (he probably didn`t mention the word "desert"). But his message was very, very clear. ...... Unless hamas takes over in the west bank, I doubt that Huckabees idea will be very popular to say the least in usa. now is the time for the palestinians to seize this opportunity and prove ebban wrong with his quip that the plestinins never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. duncan duncn

it was stated that Islam existed before Muhammad and therefore can not be anything but Judaism. For this reason I prefer to call followers Of Muhammad - Mohameddins, they are called so in number of languages, e.g., Russian. A propos, Jabotinsky and Holocaust Ashes - Ballistic, he died in 1940 - please use reputable sources of information. I would like to discuss with you connection of Jews from Europe to Eretz Israel, if you wish. It is not less than, say your connection to Africa. Mariah Carey - fair skinned singer, Michael Jackson and his children, etc - though not fitting exactly into "Angela Davis" phenotype are African Americans. In a very similar way European, ME Jewry related to their source.

days ago, may have taken a few days off!Hannah,not sure.Dutch,Clickfool,et al continue as per usual.I seldom reply to the really mentally deranged.some of the zionists make me laugh,their posts don't make sense,but at least they are good natured.lynn reduces me to tears because she reads the play Hamlet and turns around & asks who Hamlet is.The other zionist women are not particularly bright but they are our 'burden'(an occupational hazard if you will,pun,pun,pun!). There was one really offensive fellow whose post I read a couple of days ago,since it was directly addressed to me,but it was quite a smelly post,so I did not bother,so he crawled back into the woodwork.some are okay&have interesting things to say.i read them just to figure out what the typical zionist mentality is.Regards.

Come now, don't be shy. You told Eric that Ben Jabo was your 'hunk', not your twin. As I recall, you posted Eric BJabber was a "real man', a hunk. It's okay, that apparently is accepted here and there. Have tea. Regards.

Mark, it is possible that IF there is an implementable peace agreement, Hamas will accept it, especially if they get no help from the outside (such as Syria). The best way would have been for Hamas to be part of the government conducting the negotiations, for then they would have accepted the result with greater certainty (by observers like us). The sad fact is that since Hamas is not included,they will try to undermine the negotiations and the peace deal. They can do it in various ways (including eliminating Abbas, or terrorism against Israel). As far as Gaza, I imagine that Israel will invade soon, having no choice with Katyushas coming. This in itself will be an underminer. Hamas will be viewed as Holy Resistors, and in any case Abbas will have to follow up after the Israeli troops and root out Hamas forces. Will give him bad name at least. It would have been much simpler to have a cease fire (with Hamas in the government), have the negotiations, and have the results accepted.

Why do you think all 12 Apostles were Jews? Do you really know anything about Christianity or you just read your Catholic Catechism? You cannot divorce Christianity from the Jews and that’s why the Catholic Church has always wanted to destroy the Jews, not by murder, God forbid, that would be a sin, by making others do it – call it patricide. The existence of the Jews stands in the way of the Catholic doctrine of replacing the Jews as the rightful receivers of that original Covenant on Mt Sinai. Read James Carroll’s ‘Constantine’s Sword: The Church and the Jews’. And, I eat pork, my husband is alive and I will not marry either one of his brothers under any circumstances, and why do you assume that I am Jewish? You know, being Christian doesn't mean being anti-Semitic and,as a matter of fact, I even know some Catholics who are not anti-Semitic. And aren't you choosing your favored archeologist to booster your argument? Are you going to cite Pappe as a historical authority? Please don’t pretend to be a Christian and care about Christian sites in Israel.

Not a single documented fact in rebuttal to the facts that I laid out in front of him/her. All I got was his/her assertions,which of course, he/she can't back up with facts, because they are his/her lies, or lies he/she read somewhere. And in one case he got the poster wrong. Telling the same lies over and over again, when confronted with facts, repeat lies (no documentation)... Where have we seen that before......Oh yeah.... And look what happened to them. ballistic either is a nazi or a troll, prolly a mixture of both. David

Best of luck and prayers for both Israelis and Palestinians, at least those in the West Bank Areas for now.

person's name. It was in response to Harold(a couple of lines Up)who did,and I was sarcastic about it. Don't give me no "hassle" Will make you to "dazzle" How is that ballistic? Shall call you elastic? With Paul's speciality, A delight it is ideally...

I like "plopped down" and "squatting", never mind occupation. Well, I don't know about boring, but today was gnaw on Ballistic day. Same story, same idiots, no defense to bad Zionist behavior. They bark and the caravan of truth continues on. Pity the poor Pals over there as these nuts in our Midwest here can't stand people of color, yet expected to move over there with the Pals, who are clearly people of color, along with SOME original lineage of Jews, who are undoubtedly people of color and get along. God will continue to deal with this 'forgetful' lot of folks fleeing one Holocaust and occasioning another. Some folks are hard to learn. High regards and keep pushing and excuse me when I post to arses. You have to get down to their level as they have no valid defenses for the threads, just BS to sling, so we engage is a BS slinging contest. Where is Silvienne? Hannah?

Hey,all the republican candidates are against the peace process.They to are owned by AIPAC.

I went through few `scurried` pre Annapolis `beware of the peace destroyers` pieces. The true peace spoilers are not too hard to spot, they have gotten too bold & cocky, obnoxious in their threats & demands behind all the silent cheerleaders, `behind the scenes` participants, longstanding & malicious anti-Israeli con games & other crap. Not everyone who warns of the failure does not want peace. Very much is & must depends on the kind of peace composition.

Anyone who can have 4 children by different fathers without being married even once and be proud of it deserves our sympathy. Typical behaviour of a Black Muslim.

Morris, the 10 year hudna offer was originally made by Sheikh Yassin (pre-rapid evolution days). In later days, Hamas has already accepted the two state idea. Here is a quote from Haaretz, 9 June 2007: "The Palestinians are united in seeking a state in the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem, a senior Hamas leader said in an unusually enthusiastic endorsement of an idea the Islamic militants long opposed. Moussa Abu Marzouk, a deputy to Hamas leader Khaled Meshal, made the comment in an interview published Saturday in the Hamas-linked newspaper Palestine.. In the coalition talks, Hamas had presented its acquiescence to the idea as a major concession. However, in his interview, Abu Marzouk presented a state alongside Israel as an achievement for the Palestinians. "Now there is one team, one program, one united government... so there is a big chance to reach the goal we agreed upon at this stage, which is a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem," he said." And things are expected to change even more under the right conditions. Regarding the Green Line, nobody is insisting on exactly the same line. Some ter5ritorial exchange is a given. As far as Hamas the terrorist and its charter, I mentioned to you previously what value it has. I wouldn't worry about definitions. The question is how to change reality. If you get stuck on a definition, this will be the end of all creativity.

Do `equal opportunity peace` seekers even begin to realize how much Arab hate lies between recognition, non recognition, whatever & the absolute rejection of standing next to an Israeli, breathing the same air as he does, simply shaking his hand at the supposedly historical & sacred meeting? If the Arab leaders adamantly & forcefully show this, what can be expected from the brainwashed to the core Arab street? We expect a success from the meeting when the Saudis (one of the major Arab world `approving` forces behind the success of the genuine peace with Israel) are immediately bring up (I am sure out of enormous desire for the conference`s at most immediate success) at most Israeli irritating & off limits subject? We expect a success when another `friendly` Arab neighbor attendee (we don`t see no stinking tunnels) religiously playing revolving mat arming & training terror, I am sure with an eye toward Annapolis success.

There is one reason why the conference eventually will in all probability fail, & that is because Bush (in his final chase of image & greatness) had put his `weight` behind producing a farce with the help of the most famous mirage available: the forced, absolute equality of the parties when in reality the parties are light years away all around. What is the ultimate lunacy of absolute equality? In the clear state of mind placing a bull & a cow next to each other & ask them to produce milk 50-50. Than announce the bull is the bull, nothing can be done about it, & milk the cow to the last drop to meet the quota. The whole realist world understands so, but none is in Olmert`s shoes, who presently has to `dance at every snap of Bush`s fingers` if for nothing else then to `trade` this `charade` for keeping Bush involved in Iranian affair (or haven`t anyone noticed what was occupying Olmert more & how he spent every available moment (outside of photo-ops) in Bush`s `secret chambers`.

The thing about ignoramuses was that they could not distinguish between phantasy and reality. Linda Rivera is realistic and you on the other hand cannot tell your axs from a hole in the ground. You should have been out of a job, long ago and probably are or perhaps in a deep freeze.

Lay off those mushrooms. You wouldn't by chance have anything to post regarding the thread that Equalizer got me off of long ago, would you? Ah, guess not. You and BJabber have fun, that self admitted 'hunk' of yours. Have you told the posters how you told Eric about you two on a thread a while back? Where is Eric? Regards.

Erekat's argueent is that currently, Hamas doesn't think that these talks can succeed, but if they prove to succeed, Hamas will have to bow to the will of the people. He told Blitzer that Abbas would be able to go to Gaza with an agreement and the people would force acceptance on Hamas. He didn't think any force would be necessary. He was not fully convincing to me. But he did project confidence that a fully completed deal would rein in their rejectionism.

*BEN hello If I am not mistaken this is the first time you and I have responded to each other.BUT! That silly single minded poor woman,still thinks you and are ONE.Bloody hell! Surprising what despair does to a person .Oh well,couldn't care tuppence...

I just knew you would show up along with your alter ego Josh, you know, he said you are his "hunk". Alter ego Ben and Josh. That is cute. I guess you ran out of BS to post, eh. Yup, Zionists can't defend the indefensible any more so they resort to BS. No Ben Jabo's lately on threads, just your better half aka as Josh. Keep pushing. Regards.

Mark What's over?have a bit of patience.Think Churchill.This is not the end,nor is it the beginning of the end.....you know the rest. Now back to the usual business,as you say. Have you just woken up from your stupor? No,just kidding... Let us be optimistic Mark.You?ll never know what may happen in the next century or?..wait and see,and don?t worry,be happy?etc,etc.. Hey Mark,cheer up,you ain?t dead yet? And stop being nasty to Israel if you don?t mind.All the jackboot,settlements etc.None of your business anyway?be happy and care for the U.S.of A..

Ballistic I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!

Give up the crackpipe...allah don't bees likesing it. Black muslims are the biggest racist and haters of jews on the planet. The quran is a mishmash of truth and mo's delusions.

Whether jews , christians or muslims , many are repulsed by the breakdown of ethical and moral standards , and so felt Moses in Egypt . In today`s society drug and alcohol abuse are on the increase, children have lost respect for their elders. Life is cheap, crime , wars , conflicts, jealousy, hatred, greed and political strife (of the negative kind) are rampant. At the same time technology has advanced in quantum leaps. Hence if channelled correctly, man has all the resources necessary to create a good standard of living for all Mankind. Man lacks only the social and political will. Mankind must strive to perform more acts of goodness and kindness . But certainly not in swindling the Jews off their Jewish State Homeland . The Qur'an , AL-ISRA , THE NIGHT JOURNEY, Chapter 17 017.002 We gave Moses the Book , and made it a Guide to the Children of Israel, (commanding): "Take not other than Me as Disposer of (your) affairs." [ Choose no guardian beside Me. Do not take a protector besides Me;] The muslims want to be the protector of , the guardian of , the disposers of affairs of the jews , in other words it means for the jews (in their Home-State) to be dhimmis under muslims rules , 017.076 Their purpose is to scare thee off the land , in order to expel thee; and then they would have stayed (there) after thee, except for a little while. 'except for a little while.' it has been over 1400 years of muslims occupation . Their (Muslims -Arabs-non Jews) , thee (Jews) , land (The Jewish State of Israel) , 017.077 This is Our way [method , course] with regard to Our messengers whom We sent before thee (to mankind), and you shall find no change in Our ways. 'Our ways' , refers to 017.059 ....We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning) to make (men) fear. 017.060 ....We warn them, We put terror (and warning) into them, We cause them to fear,

You've been postig this same drivel here and on JPost for some time now. You might want to update yourself. Both the Israeli and Palestinian negotiators have more faith than you. We can tell you hate Muslims from your posts. Do you hate the Arab Christians, too? How about the Druse? and Nabateans?

You too are free to take your warmongering to where the action is--They can use your worthless carcass at a demonstrations--Guess you won't do that, you're too busy hiding and avoiding performing remedial actions in the USA for your fellow Afro-Americans--At the very least, you should be teaching your women birth control--Oh well, yet another generation waiting for welfare and handouts--

Read Genesis: Thru Abraham G_D said "All the earth be blessed" This is literally fulfilled since Jesus was a decendent and a Jew. All the first Christians were Jews and the Holy sites do belong to both Christians and Jews.Messiah came first as The Lamb of God, The Holy One of Israel His next coming He will be the Messiah of all the earth and King David will be his chief Prince. Read Daniel, Ezekiel,Isaiah 53, etc. Always take scriptures literally when possible.

she is clearly out of her gourd, spouting "facts" and it would be funny if she did not think them to be true. It is a crazy world out there....at least she is in the desert of Nevada and not cannibalizing one of her own.

Saw your earlier post. I really hate to see something like that. We are all Gods children and we should respect one another even if we don't agree. Thanks for your comment. God bless.

T.Equalizer She is desperate and is sending responses to herself...woweee..

By the time of my state's primary, the issue will already be decided, so I won't have a chance of a choice in my vote. I wouldn't support him anyway. He reminds me too much of Dick Armey, but without all the hostility. More interesting in that podcast (4 minute download) (QuickTime) is the interview with Erekat and the PMO spokesperson. Neither would give Blitzer what he wanted. But neither would prejudge the outcome of the talks.

"....and I thought all ignoramuses died out. You are living proof that this is not the case.' LOL, you are a couple of jokes. The good news is you are going to be out of a job when peace comes. You can retire with Linda Rivera to some island and be bitter and twisted with each other. Enjoy.

Fuuuunyyyyy! oi! oi! Funny,and poor woman can not take it.So she decides to send responses to Herself for woooweee..

Hello, Tosefta, I appreciate your thoughtful response; I wish more Ha'Aretz posters would follow your style. However, I have difficulties with the content of your post, due to some critical omissions (and not for the lack of an "evolutionary mind-set"): 1. Hamas offered a 10 year truce, true; but conditioned on immediate Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. No Israeli government, even a liberal one, would withdraw to the Green Line on the hope conditions might then evolve favourably toward peace, whilst Iran's proxy overlooks Tel Aviv from a few miles east. 2. Hamas is in fact a terrorist organisation in both word and deed; the EU, Canada, Australia, Japan and US all agree on this point; and Hamas is even banned outright in Jordan. Its 1988 charter, still in effect, commits it to the destruction of Israel. And its violence toward Israel (recall Beersheva, Aug 2004) and Gazan opposition just this month are proof of its nature. Kind regards.

As usual you are deluded--Josh and I aren't one and the same--You have my word on it--Now, if you gave YOUR word, we would know it is worthless--If it gives you your jollies to see ghosts when the lights go out, by all means continue to play with yourself--

and science says blacks are the original men and women of the planet (recessive and dominant traits) and science says black folks produced white folks and white folks could not produce black folks. That DNA stuff you are quoting had insufficient samples, according to Harvard, and contrary studies were not published due to Zionist pressure. Did you give a sample? Do you know anyone who gave a sample? Case closed. Regards.

Funny that you mentioned the lad as he was a star on the "Farewell Israel" video, live in living color talking to the folks about getting to Palestine. I don't have his exact quote, but Jabotinsky says he feels sorry for the Pals that they have to bear the burden of the holocaust ashes, and that the majority Arabs living in Pal land have a valid point about not wanting the fleeing Jews. He then goes on to say that he needs to save millions of Jews from their demise and therefore the "Arab view is one of appetite" versus his view of "starvation". Yep, that fellow there disputes Zionists claims there were no Palestinians. Great DVD, you should view it as Haaretz touted it. Weizman agreed with him. Said they didn't need all of Palestine just a few dusty lots and that Israel didn't need a state and that in a couple hundred years they would get one 'IF THEY WERE WORTHY OF ONE'. Regards.

Why not let us know what you "PERSONALLY" have done to alleviate the situation your peoples situation--Surely, you can think of one small thing, make us aware of that accomplishement-- While you're ranting, you neglect to take into consideration that if it weren't for Haym Solomon, the Colonial Armies wouldn't have had the funds to purchase arms and supplies for George Washington's army--Don't forget, it was your black tribal chiefs that sold you off to Arab traders--As in all your posts, you conveniently leave out essential facts--Since you have been living her for several hundred years, you should taken on the customs of America, marriage being one of them--We'll go into your high crime and illegitimacy rate at another time--Not to mention your generations living off welfare--

Why do you, Gabe, Ben Jabo and Josh always worry about somebody's love life? In Josh's case, Eric clued us in on his problem and that of Ben Jabo's. Gabe's problems are self evident. So what is your story? Folks who worry about other folks mates and love lives never have one of their own, or in the alternative, it is a 'forbidden' love. So what is your excuse besides running out of BS to post in order to prop up Zionist madness, from the US? Regards.

There are laws to deal with warmongering people like you around the world and in the US. Get your gun and haul your sorry arse over to Iraq, Afghanistan or Israel instead of being an arm chair cheerleader. Speaking of losers, what do you think the Zionists are gonna lose beside respect from the world? Oops, sorry, they never had world respect. They are universally known as a pariah nation everywhere except in St. Paul, MN. Did you get your gun out when God sent you those tornadoes recently? Hmm, just wondering. Seems he was so pleased with your attitude, you were rewarded. Keep your gun handy, more on the way. Have tea. Regards.

T.Equalizer This toad adores her,and he must have seen she was being bothered,and came to her rescue.

Annapolis is over, and we will not have to worry about it appearing in any but the most academic of histories. Everyone was dully photographed, and all the obligatory platitudes were uttered. The Road Kill is still dead, and everyone walked out with everything they walked in with. Israel will get to keep it's settlements and occupation; and the Palestinians still have only one way to convince Israel to lift the jackboot off their neck. The Israeli and Palestinian right are both delighted that nothing happened despite their mutual fears that something would. The agenda for Thursday? Back to oppression, murder and reprisals as normal.

Hello Mark, My computer refuses to open the file. If you can give the main point of Erekat's argument, you will have my thanks. (But you will still be a nice guy, regardless.)

Jews are Jewish. There are Messianic Jews, but they are not Christian. Early Christians were both. Most of the Churches of the Holy Land, as you noted, are built much after the time of the Jewish expulsion, and therefore they have no claim to them. Nor, do I think they really want to worship in them as Jews do not believe He was the Messiah & find Christian worship to violate their laws of worshiping God alone. As to the rest, try reading 2 archeological studies by Israel Finkelstein. Really eye opening stuff, but totally supportive of those who do not believe that the Bible was intended to be taken literally. I have a question. Do you just pick and choose parts of the Bible to take verbatim? Do you eat pork? Do you make sacrifice (as under Leviticus)? If you husband dies, do you marry his brother? Do you cover your hair when you pray? If not, how do you pick and choose? Whatever suites your fancy? or your bias? "Love one another as I have loved you"-only if your Jewish?

Okay, quick, pack up your junk and haul arse cause I need your dusty lot and its town to house those Sudanese who are having a hard time. No questions asked or answered. We must save them. What would your response be, perchance, yup, same as the Pals who are being punished for you and yours casting your lot with Hitler and sadly lost the bet. Now on the ashes of that horror, you and yours go plop down on the Pals. Say, God hasn't been too pleased with the MW these days, has he, all sorts of tornadoes and the like. What is that about? Seems like he is encouraging you to have an attitude adjustment. So, how about that new home for the Sudanese in all of Kansas City---you tow your trailer, no leave it, just haul your arse out and make do while we help these poor people. And your response is, yeh, right, same as the Pals. Who would be the aggressors here? Regards.

Who asked you? Worry about whether you will be able to steal more Pal land tomorrow or not, or whether Dubya will send your arse back to 1967, maybe even before if he looks at the White Paper Agreement.

I think I will believe a nobel peace prize scientist over a random voice that posts to talkbacks. Quote below, now off you go lad, you have some spinning of the facts to come up with. Double Helix, James D. Watson. Excerpted from his book DNA. The Secret of Life, written in 2003, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375415467/002-7288861-... Page 251: "Hammer and others have been able to use the Y chromosome to track the entire Diaspora with interesting results. The Ashkenazim, for example, who have lived in Europe for the past 1200 years (and now the United States and elsewhere) have never the less maintained the genetic indications of their Middle Eastern origins. In fact moleculastudies have made plain that the Jews genetically at least, are virtually indistinguishable from all other Middle Eastern groups including Palestinians."

You are an idiot. Look at the Arabs, do they look white to you? I can see why you would have a problem living in Israel. You are of the neonazi clan from Europe---you know the ones whose looks Hitler (aka as Adophh Schicklgruber) was trying to obtain, yet which he did not look like at all. The folks that belong in the Holy Land don't look like you, and folks who look like you and think like you, yet claim heritage there is why you are not wanted. I guess you are having fun down there in FL with all the homies about. Your attitude bred Hitler. End of story. Regards. Write soon.

Hey harold What was all that about?Are we having games here? If you need entertainment go to a chat site(this one is not suitable for you),and you can then enjoy your dry humour with pleasure.

I bet you love and ogle all those women for their "gray matter"?

You are so deluded by wishful thinking and right wing propaganda! Israel does not need the Arabs' recognition of a Jewish state. It requires a recognition as a state, period.Bush said it in the conference and the entire world including the Arabs know that Israel is a Jewish state, but it's Israel's internal matter. It does not need formal recognition. And your Egyptian and Jordanian option is an empty cliche by now. Nobody wants it, except some deluded Israelis. If you are a realist and not a dreamer, you need to start thinking of a two state solution as outlined in Annapolis. You and Hamas oppose it, what a great team! But it's going to happen, because it's the only realistic option, that will save israel as a Jewish state. Wake up, Nahumi, Israel is a part of the world and will never be allowed to keep illegal settlements (and all within the Green Line are illegal), or else it will be a very sad awakening for you. Chomesh is not Ma'agan Michael.

Sir/Madame, Those first Zionists appeared in virtually empty Ottoman Palestine in the beginning of XIX century. There were always some Jews there but new Zionist wave brought development to the area and growing Jewish community. Ottoman Empire desintegrated and British became next occupation forces of the area - British mandate. Meanwhile situation in Europe deteriorated and European "animal" murdered 6 mln Jews - huge proportion of the population. It was/is near anthropological disaster and Jews (I ersonally) begun to feel an endangered species. I stop here. If you want to correct me - please do. Then I'll continue.

"Aren`t there laws in the US to deal with scum like you and Equalizer? Emails can be traced." The laws include free speech. Ballistic is an a-hole and so are you for defending the loser. You want to track me down? Bring it on because I also have other rights such as the right to bear arms. You are a clown.

Instead of spreading JudArab fertilizer in talkback, how about reading some truth... I will give you a good one to start with... Palestinians: Aggressors, Not Victims By David Meir-Levi http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=5ADD2CD9-BDD7-448... David

Lynn I get it...you were being sarcastic.But she was not addressing you.Hey,I think we have a number two lakshmi now,and is she a hateful one!My oh my..I went to see why you were thanking her for,and began to read her diatribe about Israel and the poor palis.Beriefly full of bile,and venom...You Lynn are too polite,like our "17" who is a gentleman allways,and you are a lady...Be well..

been thinking about this.The word'occupation' has been used so much & gatherd so much moss,it has almost conferred a dignified status to israel!There are the invariable arguments about Geneva,International Law etc.I think the phrase Illegal Presence hits the nail on the head.Direct,to the point. Ballistic,keep it up,for a while it was getting dull on the TB while you were away! Regards

You and she can dish it out but cannot take it, I now plainly see. Pinheads.

Point of fact Islam is not a religion. Islam means submission to the will of God and was only named "Islam" quite lately. God doesn't change religions, as every prophet from Adam to Muhammad were given the same teachings. Arabs view Muhammad as the Seal of the Prophets as the Quran points out the Holy messages given to the prophets were changed, which admittedly they were, as the bible they say was rewritten over 1800 times. There is little, if any, difference between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Unfortunately, zealots of each claim exclusivity to one God. Islam pays due homage to ALL of the prophets without exception and to the messages they brought. The disagreement is how those messages were implemented. God's law never changes. Regards.

You been imbibing with your Israeli friends? You must lay off that Narquilla.1993-1995 the labour party was in power and that is when Suicide bombings were at its peak. Your hero Rabin said that if it did not stop Arafat (may he rot in hell) would be mayor of Gaza and Jericho only. In 2000 the second intifada broke out after Barak (again from labour) offered 97% back. Settlements are a myth created by the Arabs as is Sheba Farms. Terror is most prominent when Leftists are in power and concessions are made. Settlement expansion is only occuring by Arabs and if you must than both should stop. You are just being a hypocrite. Land has nothing to do with this CONFLICT as it is a Religious War with Islam. Prior to 1967 there were no settlements and somebody pointed out here that between 1948 and 1956 1500 Jews were killed by terror. Many more were killed between 1993 an I am surprised that you are coming up with such nonsensical statements justifying what is essentially unjustifiable

Continue Tzfonit, And not be a "pyrrhic" one.And go from strength to strength.If I remember I did say I was not pessimistic,(or did I?)and let us hope for the best.One small step for..??one giant step for Israel,eh Tzfonit? I do remember saying it will be a long haul though up there on my headline. By the way,I didn't like those "sheikes" covering their noses...as someone here pointed. It takes all sorts I guess.God bless Our Israel

You are a credit to your race. That ghastly Gabe is even rejected by Jews so he would not know if somebody is a credit if he stumbled over it. Bigots can't handle anybody Black who thinks out of the box and they get ugly. I am a white man who loves to look at those Black women, yes indeed I do. Exquisite creatures, with a shape and of varying gorgeous colors from almost white to jet black! Best on the planet and second to none. Aren't you tired of being 'gnawed' on yet? There are so many gnawers at this point I don't think they have teeth left but you still stand tall. Give them hell, bigots one and all. Highest regards.

"the only path to an agreement in the future is an absolute refusal of any attempts at an agreement now." Jabotinsky

to be from ME. It is too bad we can not quietly discuss the matter. Why?

you're also rather a bore, you know.

You must have had a cup of chartreuse tea because for the life of me I have never seen such an obtuse post. Seal and Klum, one couple, can explain the whole world order. You my dear tar baby are insane.

Only sub Saharan Africans are black. They are the one with no accomplishments on this earth. They are your ancestors that worship false gods. They are the evolved from ape humans. The G-ds set out to make a man more like them and less like you so they created Adamas in their image...not black like you.

"The `black folk` skeletons found in Africa are apes. Adam was the first white man in G-d`s image. There are no black men in G_d`s image, Adam received the breath of G_d. That is what makes whites different than you mud people." Aren't there laws in the US to deal with scum like you and Equalizer? Emails can be traced.

and I believe a correct assessment of Hamas and its goals.

Ignore poor Josh, he cannot make up his mind whether today he is Ben Jabo or Josh, both alter egos similarly confused. Regards.

Wow! Bush finally attempts an act of diplomacy. Like every other thing he does, it lacks the basic ground work to be effective. This too, like the invasion of Iraq will come to nothing good.

17 is not confused, you are. What you are really saying he that is is not posting the 'party line'. Doesn't matter what you say, the European Jews are not the ones of old. In fact, your history proves it. God doesn't like imposters. Never mind trying to two-step 17. He is absolutely right whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Most Zionists today (even according to new Haaretz DVD "Farewell Israel") are Russians who came to Israel godless with no ties to Judaism, and many remain godless today. So, 17 is right, and you are just another ignorant bigot denying proper history. Get the log out of your own eye, why don't you, before messing with 17's splinter, idiot. Regards.

and then Byzantine and Crusader built. Of those only Jewish 'Christians' had any legitimate rights to be there since the rest were brutal invaders -- which still accounts for the Catholic and Greek hostility towards the Jews and Israel -- they are not entirely certain of their legitimacy and are angry as hell that Mary and Jesus were not Greek or Roman, or anything else but Jewish. Since Protestantism, especially in the US went back to reading the Bible, they had discovered the part about Abraham, Isaac, and realized that they can not be good Christians if that fail to seriously consider all Bible and specially the part about 'I will bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee.' It is because the Catholic Church's sins against the Jews, and there are too many to count, that Europe is now being Islamized and St.Peters is in a real danger of becoming a very big mosque in a near future, just like it happened to Byzantines who oppressed the Jews of the Holly Land.

#6 Hi crackpot, when are you going to leave the Falklands,thieves & robbers! Do you know what INDIA means"ROB INDIA COME HOME. That's a typical English Trait.And by the way when are the British going to return all the stolen Statues & artistic treasures from Egypt? How much Baksheech dti you pay to the corrupt officials? Hello,you there,EGYPT demand to get every last piece of your ancient art works back to Egypt, Aren't you manly to get them back? using every means at your disposal. Do this instead of yapping about this regime or that that regime. Be manly,bring 10,000 workers to carry what's yours by right.The world is waiting to see you act!

It is quite necessary that those who claim chronic victimhood and routinely massage one another's unwarranted feelings of the same are exposed for what they are, which are bigots, hiding behind the victim status and the good name of Jews who practice Judaism. It gives great insight on the plight of the poor Pals over there under the boot of the European and German exported bigots, who plopped down, cried victim and then raised hell each and every day, calling them sand "N" and even worse. Let sun shine on the dark underbelly of Zionists. But thanks Cupcake. Oink, oink. Regards.

of Indepenedence(1988) the UN has given it observer status and its Executive Committee the Provisional Government of Palestine.Arafat zig zagged in Oslo &signed the infamous oslo which departed from the 1988 Declaration &accepted the measly 22%However,it was only for 5 years.After that arafat began again to talk the demands of 1988(israeli withdrawal to the Partition Line of 1947)plusJ. as capital,plus ROR.He was no longer of any use to israel.enter abbas the quisling.The rest is history.Hamas,whether you like them or not is the real power in Palestine.The PA has authority internally in Palestine,but not internationally.Anyhow,any negotiations without Hamas are a waste of time.

Yes, alas, we have those who wish they were something they are not such as poor Michael. Nevertheless, one of you and yours was able to come to his rescue for a price, a Jewess named Debbie Rowe. Yup, she brooded a few kids for him in exchange for a mansion in CA and $452,560/yr, not bad for a former clerk. She & her female Dershowitz, Gloria Alred, went to court not six months ago and said she hadn't gotten a payment in 2 years and she wanted the kids or the money---she got the money. Then we have beautiful Heidi Klum, who prefers Seal to colorless. What a world. Those WASP ancestors are why you are not welcome in the ME, ole buddy, as Selassie said, white European 'Jews' will never be accepted in the ME; they left black and came back white. See, you got it. Regards.

U.S. financed, armed and trained, American leaders' terrorist favorites - Palestinian Authority security services HAVE MURDERED MORE JEWS THAN HAMAS. They are America's proxy army in the War Against Jews. JERUSALEM POST Column One: American folly By CAROLINE GLICK The mood is dark in the IDF's General Staff ahead of next week's "peace" conference in Annapolis. As one senior officer directly involved in the negotiations with the Palestinians and the Americans said, "As bad as it might look from the outside, the truth is 10 times worse. This is a nightmare. The Americans have never been so hostile."... The draft document shows that the Palestinians and the Israelis differ not only on every issue, but differ on the purpose of the document. It also shows that the US firmly backs the Palestinians against Israel... www.jpost.com We are witnessing the death of civilization. STOP Inciting Children to Murder! http://www.teachkidspeace.com/flash.php

"Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continued battle against Israel..." - Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council, Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977 There are really no 'Palestinians' and thus no 'Palestinian' Brits, by previous accounts of your own leaders.

Two of the most sympathetic experts on Hamas, Zaki Chehab, the noted Palestinian journalist, and Khaled Hroub, have this to say, recently. Zaki Chehab: "In reality, though, Hamas' public concessions were just window dressing. It would never relinquish its goal to create a Palestinian state encompassing the whole of Palestine." (Chehab, Inside Hamas, Nation Books, 2007, p. 203). And Hroub believes Hamas has reinvented itself, but only in its rationale, not in its aims, "in particular, from their rejection of any concession over the 'land of Palestine' on religious grounds to a political and pragmatic argument for this stance." (Hroub, Hamas's Path to Reinvention, 9-10-2006). Sorry, but I don't plan to respond to any responses to this post, because I don't believe there is anyone on Talkback competent to judge changes in Hamas as these scholars have. Perhaps these scholars' views have changed or will change but this is what I have read from them.

Alas, I guess the Jewish posters have all set you adrift and are no longer speaking to you. As for Farrakhan, why do you worry about him; he doesn't worry about you? He said what he always said, we remember what he said as we now see it and there is no need for him to resay it. How are your children that you had by your first cousin or was it your sister, I forgot which, are they still squatting on Pal land over there as settlers, killing the homies, stealing their olives all while on the public dole (both US/Zionist)? Apples never fall far from the tree as evidenced by your arse being parked in Canada, which is why reasonable Jews don't talk to you. My kids are great, thanks for asking. When your own post you, then you post me back, okay? Regards.

The word "occupation" has been used so many zillions of times that maybe it is appropriate to recall why it happened in the first place? As a result of Jordan, Egypt and Syria declaring war on Israel (compare their aggregate populations and aggregate land mass with Israel's) and being soundly thrashed in the Six Day war of 1967, they lost land. Had they not have declared war, there would have been no occupation. The next question is simply this:- Were the residents of Gaza and the West Bank better off under Israeli "occupation" or now? In the case of Gaza, it's a no brainer.

Well, you are right about one thing, Adam and Eve were the first Caucasians on the planet roughly 6,000 years ago, which is the extent of your history, written or otherwise. But, why does God say in Genesis, "let US make man", who is us, and where is the land of Nod wherein these white folks found wives? What is this in God's image stuff? Have any pictures of him as his messengers Jesus, Moses and Muhammad were CLEARLY not Caucasian. Do yourself a favor and do some research. The only white god is Satan, who has been raising hell for 6,000 years. Regards.

What Ehud and Tzipi are doing is a rotten crime against the Jewish People. After the Israeli government gives money to Hamas and America trains snipers for the PA, they get together with Saudi Arabia to make peace? Right some solution that is. What a sick formula from total losers. Any body who endorses this has to be out of their mind. With their slick business suits and media liars they are selling Israel down the river completely.

Are you kidding me?!! WHY should baghroutti be released?! He has admitted to being behind murders! What about that makes him able to be released!? You are insane enough to compare that murdering psychopath to Shalit Refveg and Goldwasser!?!?! Serisouly?!?! Are you sober?!

Gabe, you're not looking at what transpired subsequent to these agreements, Oslo (1993) and Camp David (2000)and that's been Israeli Governments settlement activities on "disputed land" not recognized by the international community as either Israel's or Palestine's yet. It's morally unacceptable, but terrorists activities from Hamas, Islamic Jihad & the PFLP, were increasing also in response to this as well. It's noted, "After the signing of the Agreements (1993, 1995)Israeli settlement expansion accelerated to five times its original rate, leading to frustration amonst many Palestinians and a general distrust of the accords and of Israeli intentions." Between Camp David 2000 and Sharon's administration, also a huge increase of settlements. Oslo, with transitional period and then to talk of the permanent status negotiations on all the core issues - we're beyond that. These extremists groups will recognize Israel and its Jewishness when they see Israel fulfilling its obligations too.

Yes, those "Jews" are indigenous to the caves and hillsides of Europe, you are correct, but they are not indigenous to Palestine. People like you are trying to collect on a beneficial promise which was never made to Europeans, converted to Judaism perchance while Khazars. I see you don't know anything about Africa or Egypt, just the usual BS you and yours put forth. Egyptians are black; that is their essence; it doesn't matter what you say they are, they are black. You on the other hand are not amongst those to whom the Holy Land was promised, and what proof do you have bright light that you are? Where is the ark? Lost, you say. Nonsense, a physical manifestation of God's promise to those to whom the promise was made could not be lost. You and yours don't have it because you were never promised anything but a hard way to go, all of which is evidenced by your history. Why did you and yours go scoop up those Ethiopians that you claim have no part in your heritage? You are stupid.

#2 I'll tell you how,"By sending another Tsunami To Indonesia,only this one even bigger just to see if those Arab RICH crackpots,HELP this time.The last time they went in the corner & did....

The hateful, pig-headed, crass anti-Semite, anti-American and anti-Christian, Arab apolosist excuse for a human being.....does not deserve your polite and thoughtful comments.....but I for one do appreciate your effort.

I had to up several settings and it took about 4 minutes to fully load. It's the podcast of Wolf Blitzer's Sunday interviews with several people. Erekat is at the end.

"17" I know you ae being polite and all,but!please by giving information that Jews descended from Africa is ludicrous. Unless you were talking about "evolution".And this was not the case you were discussing. Don't try and mix her up more than she is already.Especially her obsession is concerning our people!Arguing her point about the Jews of today according to her has no bearing on the old Jews.We are one and the same. I sent her a reply pertaining her misquoting the very essence of what or who are Jews. Please read it before she jumps in wrongly once again. I told her the "hapirus"were called such and found in one of the "cuneiform"of the Babylonian/Sumerian periods.But for over two thousand years our "nomenclature"derives from Judea and thus Jews.I've had enough with her stupid and wrong assumptions she likes to present here.

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folks talking about "oinks". Good point. More mushrooms? Regards.

Mark, thanks for the CNN link you gave me earlier, unfortunately I couldn't get through (probably too many digits...). But I have seen the "late edition" interview live last Sunday (18.00 MEZ). And if I remember well, then Wolf Blitzer asked Huckabee whether Israel should ever give up the West Bank, and Huckabees answer was "NO". And after a while Blitzer kind of started to pressure Huckabee and asked him, how this con- flict could ever be solved, if Israel would remain in the West Bank. And Huckabees answer was that the surrounding Arab states would have more than enough land for the Palestinians (he probably didn't mention the word "desert"). But his message was very, very clear.

As I posted elswhere; why is Israel, a tiny bit of land, without any natural resources, without any high strategic value like Cyprus, the centre of World attention? I the Jews in Israel packed up their bags tomorrow morning and left for other parts of the Globe, will this result in the economic, political and social liberation of the 200 million plus Arabs living in the region? Israel does not occupy 99% of the rest of the Middle East where most Arabs are living, why are most of these people (excepting the Gulf States) living in abject poverty?

to all Black folks everywhere. Instead of helping your brothers & sisters in Africa you support their oppressors. .....and how is your Jewish boyfriend and 4 of your illegitemate children. Still getting it on with Farrakham or has he kicked the bucket. He is keeping his mouth shut lately.

"Bottom line - if Fatah improves the lives of Palestinians Hamas will lose." - Tadchase This is true in the short run. But assume Abbas doers not produce a reasonable independent state, which I think Israel is far from allowing (especially under Olmert). The Hamas line of resistance will regain credibility. The goal has to be longer term than immediate improvement in lifestyle.

I posted to him for that nastiness, but do not see my post yet. Racial slurs are just uncalled for even in a hot disagreement.

"We will use our power to help you as you come up with the necessary decisions to lay out a Palestinian state that will live side-by-side in peace with Israel."

....and I thought all ignoramuses died out. You are living proof that this is not the case. Linda River is twoering head and shoulders over your feeble mind. You my little man are a flyweight compared to her. Now go and take your place in history and disappear.

Neither Israel nor Mr Bush will talk with Hamas, so what do you expect. More of the same, ad infinitum, until you sit down with the officially elected government of Gaza!

If you look at the posts from two days ago, you will see that there was speculation, laughter, refusal, denial, claims that this would be nothing but a photo-op and a grand failure. But look what happened: 1. Syria came. 2. Saudi Arabia came. 3. Iran and Hamas did not come, and in failing to do so, were isolated from the remainder of the Arab world, creating a rift and leaving them furious and denouncing the conference. 4. Abbas and Olmert drew up a single common document. 5. Negotations will begin December 10th. 6. First steps that have to be taken: the Palestinians curbing violence and Israel freezing settlement expansion have already been laid out. and more. All that at what was laughed off as a photo op and a failure. Of course there is a long road ahead. Those of us who live here know that better than anyone. But I will still say that this was the first victory in a long battle for peace.

Looks like she is telling the truth... Is it that you can't handle the truth?

On the subject of "Christians" in the lobby, I explained yesterday that the Christian groups that were part of the lobby, are not represented in the historical Holy Land Churches. These forms of Christianity only appeared in the last 100 years or so(and according to them, if you practice any other form of Christianity you are doomed, which means every Christian until their religion came is going to hell.) Anyway, this group does not have parishioners in the WB and Gaza. Catholic, Orthodox, and Anglican Churches do. Some have been torn down to build the wall. Many parishioners are denied access to religious sites and ceremonies due to restrictions on travel. Hence, those Churches actually have places of worship and people (Palestinian) in the Holy land did not participate because they knew Israeli stewardship has contributed to the decrease in Pal. Christian numbers 20% at Balfour to less than 5%, and impeded the religious rights of those they serve.

Then terror.Now you have a generation of Pal.children bought up on hate martyrdom and brainwashed to sacrifice themselves for ALL Palestine from the".river to the sea". How are YOU going to get peace that way?

While ballistic and I do not agree, I would never stoop to racial slurs. And, who are you to say God doesn't love all human kind?

The problem with saying "Jewish" and "Christian" is that it is irresponsible and misleading. As the article yesterday was. What you are actually talking about is the Christian Right and Likudniks. It is misleading because it is an ideological outlook not a religious one. Also, the majority of the world's Christians are Catholic. And, the Catholic Church was not in the lobby. It was just Christian Zionists, Evangelicals and Southern Baptists. It is just as wrong to pretend they represent all Christianity as when Christians pretend al-Qaeda represents all Islam.

This ballistic character seems to be just as much of a bigot as equalizer.... I can't tell who is loonier... David

:) Have a beautiful day!!!

candidate as yet. I do believe they are mulling this over. No onewill want to come out against a firm peace agreement. I am truly surprised though that no one in Congress on either side has said a word yet. I do believe that what you think is a negative statement was not. Yes, the Pals have been a burden for far too long. Yes, they should have had the right to become citizens of any country they were born into by choice. Yes, I do blame the Arab States for having less compassion and continuing to keep the Pals suspended in time. By burden, I mean their own economy should have been up and running decades ago instead of depending on handouts from the EU, US or anyone else. If you think I am wrong, fine. If you are proud of ballistic's barrage, fine. I see no reason to retract what I stated. After all, it is the Pals who are being humiliated not you or ballistic.

Sir/Madame, Contemprorary history of Jewish People is one of unmitigated horror - and Zionism (named after Mount Zion in Jerusalem) was a response to need of liberation of the people from terrible oppression. It was felt that Jewish people could gather in their (very) old country and be independent productive people. Most of then Zionists were socialists and were thinking in terms of social justice - kibbuzzim as an example of this approach. I stop here. Please let me know if you disagree and want to correct me. Then I continue...

Then if the Arabs or Pals attack,push them all the way to Asia and annex it all.A final chance can be taken when you have the ability to take it all and more back for belligerent behavior.And then you have your proof to do it

Lynn Since I never read his,I comment,but,seeing just his headline is sufficient to garner what will emanate from him. I'll bet he jumps up everytime in is armchair while composing his responses and with high glee.Not from Jakarta,but from a "cushy european" country where he lives undoubtedly. Why you bother I know not.According to what you say,it is the same over again.I'll have to go up there now,to see what he is saying(just curious)....

Tbora, very good post of yours, with only one, but important reservation: The Europeans did not "dump" the Jews in Pale- stine, no, the Jewish people (very much) wanted to go there. However, thumbs up when it comes to your other points. It's pretty much what reasonable people on both sides have agreed on a few years ago in Geneva (Geneva initiative). Hopefully the day will come when those "reasonable people" will be the majority both in Israel and Palestine.

There is no scroll bar on the Home page. But when I click on this article, then there's a scroll bar for this article. I go back to Home page, and the scroll bar is gone. Would you please see why is this happening? Thanks!

I don't think Hamas are the bad guys the West says they are. I think most of Hamas support comes from decades of Fatah incompetence - corruption and failure to achieve Palestine. The rise of militant Islam brought the Saudis to Annapolis. Bush/Rice identify Hamas as militant Islam and believe the way to counter the appeal is to demonstrate the value of compromise by rewarding Fatah. Bottom line - if Fatah improves the lives of Palestinians Hamas will lose.

Mark, thanks for the file but my computer has a problem opening it. I will search the news. T

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Many non-technical people cannot conceive of changes in the world, especially those driven by environmental pressures. But change is one of the constants in our existence, and everything else's too. Hamas has been changing all along, as a result of pressure. At the initial post-Oslo period they refused to get involved in the PA which in their mind was a creation of Israel. They didn't run in the 1995, 1996, 2005 elections. But in 2006 they saw the light and ran (and even won). A change! Can't be! May be it was a mistake? Maybe. Hamas formed a Hamas government after their victory. It was boycotted by the world. So in 2007 they formed a Unity Government, allowing Abbas to negotiate with Israel, and agreeing to put the deal to a referendum. A change! Can't be! Well, may be it was a mistake? Maybe. While in the past Hamas only agreed to a 10 year hudna instead of a peace treaty, they already started talking about a 2 state solution. What would they have done if the peace treaty were to be approved in a referendum, and with a provision that a party not accepting it would not be able to participate in politics? Not hard to predict, except for people who can?t conceive of evolutionary changes. As a counter-argument, the evolution-challenged use the Hamas Charter nonsense. It was representative of Hamas positions when it was written (1988). The written word does not change constantly. The Torah never changes, but its interpretation changed radically, enough for Moses not to understand anything Rabbi Akiva was saying (as in the Talmudic story). Think of a more recent example. The PLO had a dangerous charter. But it was CHANGED after the Oslo deal. Once you have a peace deal you know what to change the Charter into. Before that you cannot change it.

Abbas has been overrun by Hamas without any attempt to resist, in the West Bank, the only guarantee he has to stay in "power" is the presence of the IDF. If you take these facts into consideration and still talk about peace and final status. then you must be a malicious jew hater whose plan is to strip ISRAEL OF ITS STRATEGIC ASSETS and lay the ground for a future panarabic onslaught. Israel is in urgent need of a different leadership to save the country and distance itself from american patronage!

Hey Yaakov - long time no blog. You ask whats different this time? good question. In my experience people make deals when its to their advantage to do so, I know I do. The rise of militant Islam threatens moderate Arab governments and the looming distant spectre of a nuclear Iran threatens everyone. The Saudi/Arab peace proposal is the obvious basis for the end game. Israel will make the deal because of the realization that it spells victory for Zionism. It has taken decades to convince both sides that absolutism/refusal to compromise is doomed to failure. Bottom line - no deal is worse than deal, I'm optimistic.

you really don't want to see peace, you are much too interested in being a voyeur and too needy for war.

You make stupid judgements The Equalizer is correct,and bear in mind also whether Hebrews or Jews it is ONE AND THE SAME No differention whatever.In point of fact when you read the old Egyptian's (cuneiform)yes the Jews were called "hapirus".That was thousands of years ago,but still the nomeclature of A JEW,DERIVES FROM "JUDEA" And get your facts straight because you are making a fool of yourself.You cannot try and change our background to what you seem to perceive it to be either way.And when I say Jewish/Judea I am merely pointing it to the period of 2000 years at least.GET IT RIGHT FOR ONCE...

Mind your own business and learn how to spell "variety" or use your spell checker. Better check on your "hunk", Ben Jabo, haven't seen your alter much, just you, everywhere. What have you got to do with Equalizer gnawing on me? I don't see where either of us asked for your two cents, so butt out, or post something relevant to the BS Equalizer is sending me. Got it? Okay. Now go find that "hunk" Ben Jabo. Regards.

Swiss(Dino) all said and done a way has to be found where Jews can live in their "Israel" respectably not under a shower of stones, insults, occasional rocket or blast, free of dread of Hezb or Fatah or Hamas. etc. The Jews are in immoral and illegal occupation of Palestinians land courtesy of US and England. They were pushed out of Europe and thrust on Palestie they did not come as conquerors or colonialists. A double injustice was done to the Jews by Europeans- first during WW2 and the second time by their being pushed out of their homes in Europe and elsewhere and dumped in Palstine where they have not a moment of peace and have lived a harried life. Let the Palestinians be magnanimous and grant the Jews enough land for them to set up their 'Israel' and let the Palestinians guarantee an honorable life to the Jews in this new Israel. The Muslims helped the Jews against European barbarism when the gave the Jews refuge in Spain. Let the Palestinians do so again, now.

Damn Nick, I don't usually agree with Ballistic, but what you said was uncalled for. We're all members of the human race. Why the racist remarks?

The Equalizer A comprehensive list and explanation of the variety in the African Species found there. And yes,green tea would be a good medication for the myopic brain such as hers/his and additional free from radicals..Very suitable adaptation to such people..

Good post. Send it to Equalizer who seems quite ignorant of the true history of Hebrews and those who now call themselves Jews. I don't disagree with anything you post here. The poor lad, Equalizer, in his neoNazi bigotry feels his people's stint in the Caucausus is the history of Hebrews. He's just ignorant, no doubt. Carry on to your next chapter. Regards.

You might want to watch Erekat's comments about bringing Hamas along. He's not at pessimistic. http://http-trd-l3.cdn.turner.com/cnn/services/podcasting/lateedition/video/2007/11/25/late.edition.11.25.07.cnn.m4v

T.Equalizer The person you addressed to,needs a good mouth wash.Especially the type of soap that cleanses the whole body of his/hers being of the DISGUSTING VERIETY.. being.DISGUSTING..

This is not the beginning,nor the end of the beginning...Etc,etc, Tzfonit. Victory is far away,and it ain't over till THE FAT LADY SINGS..IT IS GOING TO TAKE A LONG OPERATIC DEMONSTRATION BEFORE WE CAN EVEN BEGIN TO ADDRESS IT as victory. Not that I want to be pessimistic,but being cautious is a better proposition...

Lynn, since you already got a "healthy" beating from ballistic for your first sentence, I think I will let you get away with it for now....:) However, I fully agree with you on your second point, namely that their Arab "brothers" have (ab)used the Palestinians for far too long now as their "pand". One really has to wonder what made them change their mind (fear of Shia dominance in the re- gion...???). Actually I wonder what made Double U and Condi change their mind, the whole thing sounds almost too good to be true, doesn't it...??? Will be interesting to see how the candidates for the U.S. presidency (Democrats and Republi- cans) will react to Annapolis. Already any statements out there...???

Hello, Tosefta, Hamas suggested a cease-fire, true; but it also was (and is) unswervingly commited to the destruction of Israel. I would therefore think it impossible for even the most liberal Israeli PM imaginable to negociate with a PA dominated by Hamas and its violent philosophy (and I say that as a strong and long-time advocate of a two-state solution). No, the US Sec'y of State is correct in her approach to the problem. Thanks to Ms Rice's diplomacy, Hamas now finds itself even more politically isolated than ever; and it will either need to drop its rejection of Israel before getting left completely out of the peace process - or face an eventual forced reunion of Gaza to the West Bank, by an internationally-recognised Palestinian state under Mr Abbas' leadership. Kind regards.

with that tan....I prefer my WASP ancestors to the Negroid race, but to each his own. I do notice a lot of people of color bleaching their hair blonde and then there is the Michael Jackson syndrome where all Blacks wish to look white. Oh, and in case you don't know, colored use sunblock also.Between the corn rows tends to burn.

Sir/Madam, Since no factual corrections of my prior post were in your response I presume we are in agreement. As you may know ancestors of contemprorary Jewish People were from Africa - Egypt- and their leader Moshe lead them from about 400 years of slavery to liberty. They received the book - the very important one - all contemprorary Western Civilization is based on it as well the Islamic World - it happened about 3.4 thousands years ago. Jews were opressed people through almost all their history - Babilonians,Romans,etc. Still their contribution in development of arts and sciences were/is out of proportion. I stop here for the moment- please correct me if you feel to do it. Then I'll move on...

W.Anchor Quite right,the ones who will suffer at the end of the day,will not be Israelis but the palis. And they can both bleat about us Zionists as much as they like. Coward did you say?Heavens even worse than that,blathering from their arm chairs,miles away and would not dare,or have the capacity to put one of their own in danger for sure. What a load of shower they both are...

Jews are indigenous, Bullface, although many lived in Europe for centuries. All semites are Caucasian though all Caucasians are not semites. All blacks are Negroid are from Africa. Egyptians are not Negroid and there has never been a civilized, educated tribe to have ever evolved there. Have green tea, it may help your myopic brain from free radicals.

for the Abb(ASS0 quote

"say all you want, but 100% of my predictions have come true," Thanks for the laugh clown.

not the same as the English. Right on Peter. As usual speaking in arabic in one sentence,then translate it into english means something totally diferent..We are used to this kind of speeches and have done so for generations..Sully does not understand,or want to...

I love "black". Black is the presence of all colors, while "white" is the absence of all colors. You cannot get black from white, but can get white from black. Poor ole Pope John ALWAYS prayed to the black Madonna and there is a black stone ensconced in a wall over there in Arab land. The word "doomsday" is not in the black vocabulary because we innately know that we have always been on the planet, long before you were a gleem in your daddy's eye, and we will remain on the planet as the original man on the planet. Who said so, your archaeologists who go to Africa, not Europe, to find the original man. Jensen just affirms their findings with science. Sniff it up. Black is beautiful. Say, do you own stock in a sun tan company? You should as it is a booming business, what with whites down in FL and elsewhere trying to obtain a color they secretly admire, but say they hate. Have that tea now. Post me soon. Regards.

Wow, the thought of compromise and peace really seems to upset her. Oh well, better Linda exploding than bombs and shells for generations and generations.

Jay And I say to your list the same "hardi har har" So it will be as usual,back to the blackboard.

1. Abbas is not the leader of the palestinians (The pals elected the terrorist group Hamas. Abbas is not respected there). 2. The pals bring nothing to the table (except their demands). 3. An independent state is not the true goal of the palestinians (The absence of Israel is).

What is a "colored" newspaper? Haaretz? Well, I guess you just ran out of your usual BS to post to me. You should learn never to let your mouth sign a check your arse can't cash. As far as Africa's problems, well, they are not juggling nukes over there yet and are not advocating whacking another whole country because they are paranoid. It is a case of indigenous Africans fighting other indigenous Africans based on relgious beliefs. What is happening in Pal land is we have a non indigenous people killing off the indigenous people, which is quite different, although admittedly what is happening in Africa needs tending to. It certainly won't result in another useless war on behalf of Zionism with nukes in tow. Have tea. Regards.

I hate to burst your bubble but no one has moderated or changed their agendas since at least 1993. I quote Abb(ASS)in what he said at Annapolis. If you can detect any change from Camp David in 2000 that you must be a hell of a detective. I can not. Hamas is still shooting Qassams at Israel. As for Tosefta he would not know his axs from a hole in the ground and as Fox says he may be a Syrian plant here and definitely an Arab. AS For the kidnapped soldiers we want them back and as for PEACE only a FOOL would want WAR over PEACE. But what the Leftist Humanists advocate is not PEACE but perpetual WAR with Israel doing all the giving. The peace of Bush.Elmer Fudd, Saudia and Abb(ass) they can have it and I want nothing to do with it. Suicide in slow motion is still suicide. Show me any speech by any Arab leaders where what you are saying is what THEY actually said and not what you think they said. As for the USA- No one will push Israel to do anything that they do not want.

...they get almost no coverage in the media. They can't compete with the big media outlets which trumpet the Zionist, and Christian zionist platforms. What's wrong about using the terms Christian and Jewish? We saw their lobbies at work yesterday in Washington. They do not want Israel to give back ANY part of Jerusalem. They did not state this yesterday, but you can bet that they also don't want Israel to yield even one inch of the occupied territories.

At least I do not go to a "Colored" newspaper and print lies and distortions. I like your obsession with Zionist Christians and Jews as if it is a bad thing. It is clearly a postive movement and maybe you should focus on helping the AIDS in Africa and try to help the people of color from a genocide at the hands of Muslims. Or keep wasting your low-paid time.

Here's what PLO Exec Ctte member Zahir Muhsein had to say about the existence of a "Palestinian" nation: The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=2822

I've been reading and have not seen many of your posts lately. Have you been on vacation again? I see you are being 'gnawed' on as usual and as usual you haven't taken any wooden nickels. I will follow you and Equalizer off and on while at work. Bets are you will come out on top of yet another bigot trying to get you to stop posting. Some never learn. Keep up the good fight.

What flavor of zionism are you talking about? What is wrong with zionism in general. What is so different about zionism that makes it bad, but Islamism or Arab nationalism so much more the better? What point are you trying to make here. You certainly don't make any sense to me. There is nothing wrong with zionism. David

..about Israel or the ME peace talks, all he is interested is arab support againast the nonarabic Iran the US's mightiest enemy in the gulf area, and therefore a treat to american energy-oil-access it cannot tolerate. For Israel this makes Mr. Bush a dangerous man, more so as she does not seem to have a strong PM to adequately protect israeli interests. Mr Bush is and will further undergo israeli interests as he sees fit to it and as the influence of arab oil will ask for in washington. Israel will gett one peace dictated instead of what she should have done a few decades ago, but didn't because of her own ignorance and arrogance. There may very likely arise a day when the right-wing fraction will wish they had heard more to the liberal and left wings, but by then it may very well be to late.

I believe you and I have had this conversation before. You may call Jews participation a "secondary" market, but they profited greatly from financing those slave ships, the most famous called the "Jesus". Admittedly Africans were involved, yup, they were and so were Zionists involved under Hitler causing and allowing the needless demise of millions of Jews to get to Palestine. All is well documented in "The Secret History of Blacks and Jews"; "51 Documents:Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis"; "The Transfer Agreement". There are snakes buried in all people. Regards.

Has anyone read the story of the British teacher arrested in Sudan for her class naming a Teddy Bear as Mohammed? This type of crazy Islamic reaction should serve as a warning to Israel not to give up its defensable borders in the Annapolis summit. Israel can make every sacrifice that the Palestinians request but still one day some innocent mistake will happen; a teacher with a Teddy Bear or a Newspaper with a cartoon and the Islamic world will react with hatred and violence. Let our Islamic friends enter the 21st Century before we insist that Israel give up its defensible borders.

Well, every now and then Equalizer likes to go off on a personal rant whenever problems with Zionism are exposed. That is his right, just as it is the right of anyone who wants to respond. Just ignore those posts; he will tire. He has run out of plausible excuses for bad Zionist behavior from Florida. Regards.

Wake up. You have had too much I am superior training. Yaakov Sullivan, as a convert, is more attuned to the tenets of Judaism than you and most of the God denying Zionists over there. I do believe Moses told you that converts are Jews. What you don't like about Yaakov is that he was taught Judaism well and much to his credit, he lacks tribalism, and consistently points out large gaps between the tenets of Judaism and the lack of its practice by Zionists over there. Strange you would dig way around to bring Jesus into the mix. He condemned Jews at every turn in the Holy Bible, said they were not the children of Abraham, but of Satan, that their dad was a liar and so are they. He does praise Judaism, its tenets and those who practice it. Judaism is respected by all religions, issue here is those Zionists who are godless hiding behind and sullying the good name of Judaism and its practicing Jews. From your posts, you are a 'hider'. You have no heritage. Regards.

22 HUGE Arab countries. 56 Muslim countries. One tiny, global jihad embattled Jewish state. There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Jewish Bible, not once in the Koran. Muslims ALREADY HAVE an Arab Palestinian State. In 1922, Britain illegally gave 80% of JEWISH Palestine to Muslims. The area became Jordan, giving Muslims an ARAB Palestinian State on JEWISH land. The new racist Arab country was ruthlessly cleansed of Jews.

Sir/Madame, Just to remind: Africans started gthe primary market of slave trade. Apparently your ancestors were goods. No single Jew participated in these barbaric operations. Jews could participate in secondary slave exchange market but much much less than say Arabs and others. Do you want to correct me? Please do Then I'll move on...

"let alone Al Qaeda" Those last people you mentioned slaughter Muslims on a daily basis.

bible thumpin and snake handling. Trash is trash, nuthin to be dun bout that.

Both of these bigots are ranting about off topic stuff here. What gives with that?

telling another sovereign country how to handle the land of Jews and Christians. Jesus did not walk in these lands to have the likes of you and Bullistic try to have that heritage erased. Go back to your tenement in the Bowery and I will live in my Southern plantation.

Not wanted? Hah, I guess you and yours know a lot about not being wanted, eh? Blacks can return to any part of the planet according to archaeologists and geneticist Jensen as we lived all over it except in the caves and hillsides of Europe where you and yours were crawling on all fours, clubbing your women in the head, not cooking your food or burying your dead. God felt sorry for you and sent you an Egyptian, Moses, to teach you how to do that. Yep, the homies in Africa finally got smart and ran you and yours out of there parasiting off of them and their resources. Speaking of dusty lots, you and yours are trying to make everybody believe you had one in the Holy Land when history shows you only had a cave or two in the Caucasus mountains, hence Caucasians. Don't forget one of Adam & Eves brats went to the land of Nod to get a wife. That's very interesting as we are told they were the first on the planet.Blacks have always been on the planet and will remain, unlike you.

I guess this has taken the cake on this site. here we have a white hooded neonazi that represents the worst strain of the so called race that calls itself white. Just because you live in a trailer, Equalizer, and have no ground to scratch except concrete, that bitterness should not be taken out on those more intelligent than white hooded neonazis.

And let God sort 'em out!!!

Michael the peace you are looking to and hoping for is a false peace that will bring sudden destruction. False peace is coming. The Muslims will get their seven year 'hudna' but will be followed by utter devastation. Israel and the surrounding territories cannot be compared to the Balkans, South Africa or elsewhere. It is a unique situation that will have an extraordinary outcome. Jerusalem, Zechariah so many years ago told us, would become a "cup of trembling and all who came against her would be severely hurt." You do not even have to be smart to see these events coming to a boil.

I bet someone is squatting on your dry patch of land with the thatched roof, Ballistic. You have the right to go back and be with your people and I cannot imagine why you would stay where you are not wanted.

Another successful outcome of Annapolis was the suggestion by the Saudis for Israel to begin diplomatic talks with Syria and Lebanon. This is also a good suggestion and shows the Saudis support of Israel and its existence, etc. There's no doubt in my mind that the Arab countries fully understand that Israel must have the assurances and security to its existence for any agreement implementation in the future. The dedication and commitment by all the parties present in Annapolis is not small endeavour and quite serious this time around. The process of compromising is difficult for everyone given the past. And lastly Gabe, I want to tell you that when I expressed to an aunt of mine in Israel this past summ to maybe stop my efforts to advocate for peace, she said not to because for the sake of the future generations, despite the loss of her nephew, Sgt. Nimrod Cohen who was killed in the beginnings of the Second Lebanon War on attempt to retrieve the kidnapped soldiers by Hezbollah.

To put every peace hater`s mind at ease, I will bring VERY strong indications that the Annapolis conference will fail. Indeed, one of the indications rises to the level of a mathematical proof. So here they are, going from the strong to the stronger, and then the strongest: 1. Everything Dumbya Bush touches is doomed to failure. This is his track record so far, so the probability of success is very small. 2. Both the Israelis and Palestinians expect the conference to fail, and as ia well known, "Vox populi, vox dei", "The voice of the people is the voice of God." The probability of success is shrinking before our eyes. 3. The Gematria (numerical value) of Annapolis written in Hebrew of course (aleph, nun, aleph, etc) is 238, the same as the Gematria of the name Rachel. According to Kabbalistic understanding, this makes for a strong connection between the two. Now, the matriarch Rachel died ON THE WAY, before reaching Israel/Jacob`s destination (Gen. 48:7). What more do you need? I REST MY CASE!

Imagine what would have happened had Israel and US had the good sense to work with the Hamas Unity Government after its formation. Gaza of course would not have been detached from the West Bank without Hamas needing to fear a coup. But there would have been far better positive consequences: 1. Hamas suggested a cease fire in the West Bank (in addition to Gaza). In return, it pledged to impose it on the smaller terror groups. Abbas also made the pledge. Had this been done, Hamas and Fatah for the first time would have shown an ability to suppress terror. This is important for Israeli confidence in a peace deal, which now is non-existent. 2. Hamas was moderating its stand all along (as a result of international pressure), and started talking about the two state solution as their final objective. They agreed to Abbas negotiating with Israel and having a referendum on the deal. With Hamas having finally agreed to the 2-states, there would have been little danger of missiles from the West Bank. This is what is killing the real peace prospects today. In short, by bringing Hamas into the process, there could have been a realistic peace agreement, while now it can be done only in Dreamland. It is not too late. At least the Egyptians claim that this will be the basis of negotiations. The Arabs should insist on it. What will help is that the Italian Prime Minister already suggests this, as well as some British MP`s. If Rice has a brain, she should pressure Olmert to encourage an Abbas-Hamas reconciliation. But we know that this is beyond her imagination.

HI, I agree that the nature of the US system, where lobbying is so important, is a poor arbiter. Our system is not currently set up to reflect general will or even equity. It reflects more the ability to marshall capital in the name of your cause. However, I dislike your use of the words "Christian" and "Jewish". Both religions have variety in their political spectrum and beliefs in the United States. It may not be equally represented in the media and political system, but their are liberal Christians and Jews that recognize both Muslim and Palestinian rights. I suggest reviewing Peace Now, Jewish Voice for Peace, and some of the writings by Rabbi Learner. Also, review the Catholic and Episcopal positions on the conflict. And, lets not forget the Christian Peace Maker teams.

I don't know if I constitute the label as a "Leftists Humanist" poster here, but I can tell you I espouse to social justice and both capitalist and government sponsored enterprise - essentially a Centrist. But back to Annapolis. What's different now in peace endeavour is the fact that this current administration is committed to deciding when and who's fulfilling the obligations of the Road Map. Rice said, "Failure is not an option". The U.S. means business. Israel will have to freeze settlement construction and dismantle outposts. The Palestinians will "dismantle the terrorist infrastructure" and by this it can be accomplished in various ways, not all necessarily confrontational with Abbas. But as Tosefta repeatedly suggested,(no one listens to him I don't know why) if the assertions that Hamas moderated etc. are true, then there should be efforts to unify in their political sphere. But a definite committment to absolutely no more violence or incitement is the key ingredient. Con't

The Bush administration is very weak in the art of dipomacy, as is well known. Their approach is typically non-diplomatic, aka bullying. Example 1: If people do not follow your baseless dictates, invade, or at least heighten the threat. Example 2: Talk only to your friends. Your enemies "know what they must do" before you talk to them. The result of this approach is to create and enhance conflicts, not peace. Diplomacy comes in when it is necessary to extricate the bully from the consequences of his actions or inactions. Since the Bush people don't have a traditional understanding in diplomacy, they must introduce some innovations of their own. Annapolis is one of the greatest diplomatic innovations in recent times. Have a big party for the launch of negotiations, instead of for their ending and signing of a peace deal. Clinton had a big party in 1993 when the Oslo agreement was signed. Bush must have a party when negotiations supposedly begin (although they actually started a few months ago); if he waits for their ending, he will never have the party, because his diplomacy is so wrong-headed that it tends to fail. See my next post.

The sun probably won't come out in your neck of the woods tomorrow, & a storm's forecast for the weekend! With any luck, the River Ouse will burst its banks & at the very least, flood out your phone exchange. I live in hope that one day I can read a Talkback minus the BS of Clicky et al, even if due only to technical issues. Dream on..... Back to thread: if these talks manage to achieve an end to violence, then surely positive backing by everyone should be encouraged?? The usual suspects of course will disagree....

Hey, America could never repay blacks for several hundred years of free labor building this country. Of course, you and yours double dipped by financing large parts of the slave trade. Blacks worked for free, fought in wars to support you and yours, so now what is the problem? The only drain is that my people are still owed and you and your people won't let go of the taxpayer ninny you have had your mouth locked on for 40+ years all while saying you are sovereign. Yeah, right, sovereign when it comes to stealing Pal land and killing them and a welfare cheat when it comes to sucking down US money. We were 'invited' to the US while you and yours just plop down with your toothbrush wherever you so desire, much to the chagrin of indigenous people. Nobody but nobody outdoes the Zionists when it comes to begging, Germany, Dutch, US on and on. Yup, you and yours are the queen of the welfare whores. Sniff it up. Regards.

you showed you love. I showed my love. *** Good Night :) in friendship, you always smile :) in love, YOU ALWAYS WIN :) me ? dont worry about me ! as long as you dont forget me :) Atilla Karagözoğlu

Around, and after 1948, one million Jews suffered violent RELIGIOUS Jew cleansing from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, farms, homes, hospitals, schools, businesses and bank accounts of the Jews. Most Jewish refugees fled to Israel where the religious terror war against Jews NEVER stops. Cruel Global war is waged to subjugate every nation under Islamic sharia law - it is unacceptable to Islamists for Jews to have self-rule in TINY Israel. The 1948 Jewish refugees and their descendants who make up about half of Israel's Jewish citizens MUST be compensated in land and finances! See: http://www.theforgottenrefugees.com/

'Expansionist' Israel can fit withing any Arab country, but lebanon, many times over. Stop repeating that nonsense like a zombie.

"Israel and the Palestinians will begin final-status negotiations on December 12, Olmert and Abbas announced " The sun'll come out Tomorrow Bet your bottom dollar That tomorrow There'll be sun! Just thinkin' about Tomorrow Clears away the cobwebs, And the sorrow 'Til there's none!

Is this about the Jews and the Palestinians, or did they have to fly to the US in order to figure in a show to improve the image of Bush? In these times of climate change one should not take aeroplanes frivolously. Therefore I hope Bush will also think a little about the Jews and the Palestinians. If he does that, I can live with his show.

There is no happiness under the sun for the three legged creature? You seem to be an exception to that rule! Joy to Ya!!

Atilla Atilla loves Tali Tali *** Tali & Atilla *** readers ! look at above names HOW LOOK LIKE SAME :)

As I hold up the staff, you make me laugh. As I bring in my Sheave [sp] joking is what you heave I Love to imitate the preacher, as just Love you, you three legged creature!!! :)

I am always reading you. Always, Atilla. Always. Somethimes I forget where I am because of thinking you. Dont worry atilla ! your love is an honor for me. I heard you married. and I heard you are a muslim. AND YOU STILL HAVE A HOPE ABOUT ME ? Atilla atilla :)

lady, r u crazy, who started what war and stole whose land prior to 1948, the first jewish settlers r the ones that started the terrorist activity to burn, scare, and start choas in the region leading to the full out invasion and creation of a terrorist state that will be later be called Israel. even upon creation of this godforsaken country, who thought they did not even get enough land, which was the bigger half if u ask me, and invaded some more on the palestineans, and lastly, who has been standing in the way of a just end to this conflict for the last 50 years without offering the left over palestineans that survived the "ethnic cleansing" that u speak of, that has not ended since the creation of this god-forsaken country........

think pozitive...live pozitive. EVEN ATILLA THE HUN COULDNT KEEP THE WORLD THAT LONG ! who the hell you are :) okey I apologise for last words. *** why I talk nonsense ? to make you feel better ! yes. in fact ! I am very very intelligent and very powerfull busy man. well ! I feel that way :) *** So ! you want to feel happy ! write to me. and see how this little man deals with life. *** THIS MORNING I RECIEVED AN E-MAIL FROM A JEW I NEVER MET. SHE/HE TOLD ME "I LOVE YOU" you know how I responded ? I said I love you too. I AM NOT POOR THAN ANY OF YOU ! YOU LOVE ME ONE I LOVE YOU TWO. YOU LOVE ME TEN TIMES I LOVE YOU 100 TIMES :) see that ! you cant catch me :) I dont want anyone say to me that JEWS HAVE MUCH LOVE THAN ATILLA HAS :) easy...easy :)

You have been a drain on American to the tune of welfare billions. Black pot calling the kettle black?

Long after Bush has retired to Crawford Israel will be held responsible for your number one super lawyer Olmert. lot like drawing to an inside straight? Good Luck Texas Holdem

lady ! I like you. you know why ? because you always talk about The God ! thats nice lady. But ! not enough :( you dont say anything nice about me ! okey ! now, go ahead and write a poem to me ! sure here on haaretz. Lets see how you love a human who also created by The God ! these days I recieved roses two times from ladies. DAMN ! ITS GREAT FEELING :9 from now on ! I wont go behind any lady. I want they follow me to show their love :) and I started ask ladies around me to light my cigarette with lighter. its also great feeling that a lady holds the lighter and light it. love Atilla Karagözoğlu :) ohh ohhh ! such a happy man I am :) I hope nothing bad comes into my life. I dont like this going. everything is going just fine. haaretz ! please lets readers to attack on me. maybe this keeps bad luck away from me :) *** so ! so waht :)

The inalienable rights of Jews to the Biblical heartland must not be violated! No one is demanding Muslims surrender THEIR top religious areas of Mecca and Medina! In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza, ethnically cleansing all Jews and in 1948, Jordan invaded Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem, ethnically cleansing all Jews. In violent opposition to G-D, Muslim Jordan destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. When Israel won the Arab war of aggression in 1967, Jews returned to the areas of their ancestral homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Anti-Israel propaganda DECEITFULLY calls Jews' legitimate return "occupation". Jewish ownership of the land, homes and buildings stolen from the Jews in the 1948 Islamic invasion must be restored! Jews have had a continuous presence in physical and spiritual homeland Israel for 4000 years.

Since Bush doesn't know how to make war, he is trying his hand at making peace. Unfortunately, he picked the wrong war and the wrong peace.

At the end of the day, insincerity will be exposed, as will every heart. Think on this when attempting to "keep 'em friendly"

I am sorry. I am very busy today. But my mind at you as always :) *** dont worry about ANNAPOLIS its also very interesting name ! anna : its kind of anne (mother) in my language ! polis : its police in my language ! So ! lets add two words : MOTHERPOLICE it still has no mean. I am talking non sense, right :) *** okey...okey :) I said I miss you. somethimes I believe I AM SAVING YOU. somethimes I believe YOU ARE TAKING FRESH BREATH BECAUSE OF ME :) I said somethimes, relax :) *** I looked my own news papers today ! there was nothing about MOTHERPOLICE ! ** you are my life, Israel I love you more than I love Tali ! what :) okey that was lie. I love Tali more than you :) Hey ! dont get upset ! she is a nice girl. I wonder does she ever read me ? *** I am doing great works these days. *** haaretz buddy I got a new news site :) but my love to you ! never go down ! WHEN WE LOVE, WE JUST LOVE. Yours Atilla :)

...This thing is more about Iran than anything else... You can't have it both ways: isolated Iran and peace at the same time, or make peace because the threat of Iraq. Make the real PEACE like what Rabin did. Other threats would automatically irrelevant in this regions, not Hezbolah, not HAMAS or Iran, let alone Al Qaeda. Remember one thing, Rabin made real peace, when Israel was still on the top of her military performance, long before she was defeated by Hezbollah (2000, 2006). Now, if Israel want PEACE, it means many things: Iraq, Iran, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and other b.s. alibi. PS: say hello to your "IDOL," HANOI DANE. LoL.

My prayers are with you people and you people alone. I agree with what Haaretz said yesterday. This thing is more about Iran than anything else. That was probably the only reason that Saudi Arabia attended. But if we, in the USA, and Israel have any real Arab friends, we need to keep those Arabs alive and and friendly and gain some more. I ain't for Shmegegedon. Yo!

The only one who gets 'pestered' in the US/Israel relationship is the US. Zionists come each and every year with a bigger and better begging cup and then park their collective arse on the left US taxpayer ninny. They have a lock on the left one, and the beggin cup is a separate gig. Put all US tax dollars and giveaways in Condi's purse when she comes. We could use it here. Stop 'pestering' the US to do your dirty work in Iran. It was stupid enough to do it in Iraq with catastrophic results. Yes, the US should stop 'pestering' you by showering you with US funds and arms and leave your arrogant arse high and dry. I do agree with your post, but you neglect to indicate that the 'pestering' should go both ways. You leave the US alone and she leaves you to your fate. Regards.

"Pals have been a burden on the world for far too long"---Hah, what a statement. Boy is that a case of the black pot calling the kettle blacker. The burden that Pals have been was occasioned by European Jews plopping down on their land after they played their last fateful card with Hitler and "Israel" was founded on the ashes of the holocaust, like Linwaithe aptly said. The burden is the Zionist mouth of you and yours on the US taxpayer ninny for 40+ years. Gee, the Pope says the Pals must return--I guess he doesn't read his Bible as you and yours being 'chosen'. Nobody can EVER accuse you of lacking chutzpah, nope, they cannot. You certainly have cajones for making that statement. Gee, you provide the laugh of the day. Zionists cause a problem and then point to the problem they caused as a problem. Who has been run out of every country they've lived in en mass? The Pals, no, the Zionists. Have more of Paul's mushrooms. Regards.

Wish I could spend all day talking about Him. Our God is an AWESOME God!!! He Reigns and is always at work. That's where I need to go now. Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, and peace to all God has created!

Because that is how I use "Indy". "Most probably none of the people involved in this conflict is in the GOD`s side" Only the Peacemakers: "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for THEY will be called the Sons of God" Messiah "Probably God already sick and tired to see us, a failed creature, killing each other, and claiming themselves as children of God, chosen people, ummah,and other b.s claims." If we are "failed creatures", What would that say about our God? Our God does not get "tired", He does become "filled with greif" [sad]. We may not understand all, one thing we can be assure of...God is teaching His children to Love as He Loves. This my friend, is an uncomprehendable lesson without Him. Be on the side of Peace [according to His Word] and He will direct you.

Russia and Saudi Arabia are acting intelligently in pushing forward a peace accord between Israel and Syria, and consequently Israel and Lebanon. Even if the Pally issue is more complex, the more peace accords the better, and this should not deter us from normalizing with our northern neighbors, as this will permit Israel economic relations with the Gulf States, more internal security, credibility with Russia, as well as more political and economic basis in future negotiations with the Palestinians, easing them too. The Peace process with the Pallies will ease, if we have peace with Syria and Lebanon first. There is no reason to postergate it.

I do like the picture at the top of this article; Condi looks particularly good in black! The World definitely needs more women leaders/politicians, just so long as Hilary Clinton is not involved! UN emblem should be pink, wars would be a thing of the past, & we could all do knitting & Tupperware parties!! There is, of course, a problem: given the status of women in Muslim society, I don't think its likely to happen any day soon. Oh how cross the Arabs were - not just beaten by the Zionist enemy, but lead by Golda Meir as well!!!!

...is asking the UN to keep the coalition troops in Iraq, an extension... ...til 2008. That's you "forgot" to mention. What a selective fact. They are using the US resources, to save their own and Iran.

Love the part about getting over ourselves. I have always thought God was nondenominational.

Just think, economic developement, markets opening up, and peace with issues resolved. Not everyone will like it, but who wants to be in a state of constant war and turmoil.

?But to achieve that does not depend on the Arab and Islamic position by itself, but requires meeting this position by a reciprocal strategic willingness that would basically lead to ending the occupation of all Palestinian occupied territories in 1967, including East Jerusalem, as well as the Syrian Golan and what remains of occupied from Lebanese territories, and to resolve all other issues relating to the conflict, especially the Palestinian refugees question in all its political, humanitarian, individual and common aspects, consistent with Resolution 194, as emphasized by the Arab peace initiative and the participation of sister states that host refugees and carry huge burdens in this regard.? ?Here, I must defend in all sincerity and candor, and without wavering, the right of our people to see a new dawn, without occupation, without settlement, without separation walls, without prisons where thousands of prisoners are detained, without assassinations, without siege, without barriers around villages and (inaudible).? We need East Jerusalem to be our capital and to establish open relations with western Jerusalem, and to ensure for all the faithful from all religions their right to exercise their rituals and to access holy shrines without any discrimination and on the basis of international and humanitarian goals.? I DO NOT SEE THE NEED TO FIGHT TERROR, THE NEED TO DISMANTLE MILITIAS, THE NEED TO STOP QASSAMS. I DO NOT SEE ANY COMPROMISE BUT THE WELL WORN OUT DEMANDS OF ANOTHER ARAB TIN POT DICTATOR. AND WHERE IS THE RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL AS A JEWISH STATE .I DO NOT SEE THAT EITHER. AND NOTHING ABOUT LIBERATING GAZA.

Abbas is the first Pal statesman to realize it. Frankly speaking, the Pals have been a burden on world society far too long. The Arab States and their insistence on the Pal refugee status has gone on long enough. Arab states have USED the Pals miserably.

One can only hope that this initiative will be a good kick in the teeth for Hamas. What would be most effective, even more than US or Israeli intervention, is for people in Gaza to see themselves just how life in the West Bank will start improving for their fellow Palestinians if this takes hold, and will realize they had better shake off Hamas if they want any better future. Hamas will continue shooting itself in the legs until someone else gives it a more lethal blow. I don't believe it would survive a peace process on either internal or international pressure.

the arab palestine is jordan ! no one is stopping them from living there ! they have no rights in the remaining mandate of 1922 or the san remo conference of 1920 dispensation to a jewish state by international treaty !