Bedouin mayor urges IDF to limit arms issue, after soldier kills comrade
IDF soldier shot in chest by comrade in Be'er Sheva mall as shoppers looked on; second soldier arrested.
By Haaretz Service and Yanir Yagna Tags: Be'er Sheva Israel news IDFRahat mayor Faiz abu Sahiban on Sunday urged the defense establishment to limit the distribution of army-issued rifles to soldiers from the Bedouin sector, after a soldier was killed by one of his comrades during a spat at the Be'er Sheva mall.
"I am not against joining the army, but the fight today between two soldiers that led to the death of one proves that there is a need to reconsider the procedures of weapons-carrying," Sahiban told Army Radio.
The IDF soldier sustained critical chest wounds in the incident at the food court in the Negev mall, following an altercation between the pair.
The wounded soldier received emergency treatment on the spot, and was later hospitalized. He subsequently died of his wounds.
The soldier who fired the shots has been arrested, the Magen David Adom rescue service said.
The Negev District police chief, Brigadier General Avshalom Peled, told Army Radio on Sunday that, "The soldiers knew each other, and perhaps were even friends."
"We received a report about the gunfire at 11:45 A.M., and the forces arrived after about a minute" he told the station. "We found two soldiers, of an ethnic minority; one of them was seriously wounded and the other was holding a gun. The suspect was taken away for questioning and did not try to free."
Peled said that while police had initially feared that the incident was a terror attack, they quickly realized that it had been criminally motivated, Army Radio reported.
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The Be'er Sheva mall. |
| Photo by: (Alberto Dankberg) |
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Even if he was an Arab, he still be dead.
The 3 Palestinians have been implicated in terrorist actions in recent years. If you read the full B'tzelem article it says the "IDF MAY have executed unarmed Palestinian militants" the operative word is "may". B'tzelem doesn't know and you don't know. The IDF does. Australian police are your problem mate, you should apply your energies over at home.
call me, what ever you want, Zelkha. You`re changing your statement and then call me obtuse. Question of style, I guess but we`re not here to discuss that. You took PART of the Haaretz article to support your argument. ok. Would you allow me to do the same ? Here we go: Quote "According to B'Tselem, in two of the three cases the troops behaved as if they were preparing for an execution, not an arrest. Relatives and eyewitnesses told B'Tselem that the two were unarmed and did not attempt to flee, and that the soldiers weren't trying to stop them, but rather shot them from close range" Unquote But I realize, this doesn`t matter, because Australia has an "uncontrollable Police Force"
I will take away the word "suspect" as these terrorists were highly skilled militants with weapons at their disposal. IDF soliers shot at the wall, they did not surrender so therefore lost their suspectibility. Only obtue as yourself can see the fine line between this event and yesterday's soldier's murder because of an argument. I read that in your part of the world (near Sydney) a mentaly ill man was shot dead in front of his family because he was wielding a knife. You have an uncontrollable police force.
Zelkha, you wrote yourself, what the difference is: one man shoots another, in front of witnesses and gets arrested while a SUSPECT (your words) gets shot dead and a pregnant woman gets shot at & injured. The difference may not be all that fine after all...
It was just about time for an incident like this to happen. Off-duty soldiers shall not be allowed to carry weapons. That's why there is on-duty police. Although this time "only" one person was killed, the potential for a bigger tragedy is higher as long as off-duty soldiers wander with machine guns.
What's your point? They happened to have been Bedouin. Jews kill each other too. So?
The difference is that is a criminal case, wheras the Nablus incident involved terorists who randomly murdered an innocent civilian for the sake of it. It will be dealt with by the police, whereas the other incident involved the army. See the difference?
"Brings to mind the scene in the movie Lawrence of Arabia. . ." - shtarka Seven Pillars of Wisdom, the book, was better. Though both were works of fiction.
... make some kind of anti-Jewish statement, and did not bother reading enough of the article to formulate it correctly. A common trait of the TalkBack denizens.
The "fine difference" is that in one case the shooter had a specific victim and posed no danger to anyone else and in the other the shooters' target is an entire people and they posed a clear and present danger to anyone nearby who didn't share their race.
let alone a "fine difference". Why don't you share it with us.
Brings to mind the scene in the movie Lawrence of Arabia when 1 arab kills another arab in Lawrence's army during a heated argument. Lawrence soon learns the killer is Gassim, the one he saved by going back into the Nefud desert and dragging out after he fell off his camel. Gassim must be executed to avoid intertribal warfare, as is Arab custom. Lawrence gets his pistol and shoots Gassim at point blank range. He keeps firing at Gassim becoming increasingly obsessed and crazed until he runs out of bullets. Later Lawrence admits to General Allenby in Cairo that he is concerned because he actually enjoyed it.
You tell us, what is the "fine difference" between soldiers shooting terrorist suspects that are armed and idf had to shoot in self defence and 2 (Beduin) idf soldiers drinking alcohol and arguing about money (eyewitness accounts, plenty people in the mall at the time confirm this)and one loses his head and shoots the other. I can't see the "fine difference".
They both believed in the same thing...or they were Russian? Or both...
It is sad indeed. I do not know the details of what exactly happened, but a temper is certainly a bad thing you have. One family lost a son, another will have their son locked away for years!!!
what if both of them were jews? come on guys....jews does those things too, we're not above good and evil.
OK, guys (girls ?) I was not precise enough in my comment, point taken. What I tried to bring across, was the fine difference between the shooter in this case and the suspected shooters in Nablus SAturday morning. The fine difference is...... you know what it is.
The soldier killed and the soldier who shot him were both Bedouin serving in the IDF. There are actually quite a few Arabs serving in the IDF.
Most probably the same thing... Israel is free world and only democracy in the crazy mideast!!
There is a clear difference between a terrorist and the soldier: The soldier wasn't on a rampage to kill as many people as possible - he was in an altercation that got out of hand. If he'd gone on to shoot more people, then it's likely he'd have been shot himself.
Gorm, don't be stupid. A soldier was shot dead, and this is the point were we have to feel very sorry, it was one of our children. It's not the moment to think about if it was an arab or not. Why don't you put things in the real perspective? I'm sadness and i think in his poor family.
So, the shooter was arrested ? What would have happened to him, had he been an Arab ?