Barghouti: Shalit abduction achieved what no dialogue could

They get family,Red Cross etc visits. What have Israelis got when captured by Arabs.? Mostly death,some pretty barbaric,proud? Are you going to bds?

No peace ever was not a great government for the Pals to elect.

... own sake... otherwise he'll remain in the clink forever...

A NYC court decided that not, and Time Magazine had to pay for defaming Sharon.

Begin did not kill "innocent civilians", neither Shamir. Sharon was not responsible for any "massacre". Any more questions?

What you write is lie. You don't know anything about the history. Anti-Semitism is shameful.

Baghrouti is the worst kind of filth. A man who has been sent to life in prison for murder, shows no remorse and encourages more acts of murder.

Yes, Hamas will "stop their killing and renounce violence once they are liberated". So what should they be liberated from? From Gilad Shalit? There is not ONE ISRAELI LEFT in Gaza, beside him, since 2005. Do you mean that they will renounce violence when they are liberated from THE EXISTENCE OF THE JEWS? They made that pretty clear in their chart, announcements to the press and general behaviour (e.g. Shooting missiles to Israel's civilian population for 3 years after the disengagement). I see you got it all figured out. I guess you must be a fluent Arabic and Hebrew speaker, a diplomat, a counter-terrorism specialist, and a gentleman, then. Lucky us.

Weren`t you supposed to throw us to the sea and create your Palestinian state? The tragedy of the Palestinian people is that they never read the real situation and take responsibility and believe fantasies. Look where your violence really got you and maybe once in your life reach the correct conclusions.

This is where he belongs. This guy is not a Nelson Mandela. He is a little gang lord turned rock-star, ONLY because he's in jail. Once outside, he will do exactly as he predecessors: steal his people's money, lie in the face of everyone, and go on with the "I deserve this, I deserve that" attitude. In 1991, Palestinians were amongst the only Arabs to support Saddam. When the allies humiliated the Iraqi army, they were in such a disadvantageous situation... Israel could have done whatever she wanted to achieve peace (aka non-war), on the best terms possible for her. Instead, we brought this slimy Arafat - imax shmo - and got stuck in 14 years of little irrelevant games. I hope this will never happen again. Barghouti is responsible for the murder of dozens of Israelis. He should rotten in jail. If he's popular, he can run for the jail's X-factor or something.

He killed like a Hamasnik, he plans like a Hamasnik, he speaks as a Hamsnik... it's time to recognize him for what he is.

and destruction. Hamas got well over 70 seats in the elections with a platform of no peace ever. All this could have been avoided by the new elected government of Palestine acknowledgeing Israels right to exist in peace.

Abbas threatens to resign - Israel gets a little scared...so they throw Barghouti's name as a possible release in order to put the pressure back on Abbas. All you have to do is read the news of the past month and this is the logical intelligence move on Israel's part. No one is being released - it's just the government playing games with captives again.

I guess what I meant was that the Palestinian terrorists (or for that matter the ones we see now in Irak killing thousand of civilians), use the killing of civilians as the "primary weapon" to achieve their goals even if those goals are justifable. Whereas with organizations such as the Irgun or Mandela's the killing of the civilians is only a secondary unfortunate consequence of brutal force on "military" or "symbolic" targets. I know the line there is VERY fine, but nevertheless, I think there still is a line which for me matters. By the way, thanks for your kind words. I do enjoy exchanging ideas with people such as yourself, weather we agree or not on some issues!

the guy is in prison spending several life sentences, and yet he's able to get press releases out? dumb move on the part of the prison services.

Well, you must admit that if we free 2000 convicted terrorists for one innocent kindnapped Israeli soldier, then 1 Israeli is worth 2000 Palestinians. Hamas has spoken, not me. Thank you Hamas for clarifying the matter.

CONTINUED FROM BEFORE ... are not military strongholds, Have they ever called to warn a cafe, bar, nightclub, or other CIVILIAN POPULATED place prior to blowing it up? Has the Mainstream Palestinian foiled Palestinian terror? Yes and No, depends on when nowadays we do so cooperation between the two but this is disappearing in attempts to unify. Back to Irgun, Did the Irgun exist after 1949 war? No they were disbanded by Ben Gurion contrasted again by Palestnian militias, who are well entrenched in parts of the government, for example Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or we could discuss lebanon where we see even greater entrenchment. Your turn to unspin yourself Natalie, I wait eagerly for tomorrows edition of what the serpent typing fingers of natalie Durson have to say.

So what's it today, oh I see, "Groups such as Irgun and Lehi, which were led by future PM`s of Israel were are violent and bloody as any terror group you can name" Ok, so let's take the infamous King David Hotel Bombing and contrast it with every other Palestinian Terrorist attack. Was this attack, directly against Soldiers or civilians? King David hotel was a British Military Strong hold Did the Irgun, under Begin, call the hotel to warn them? Yes 3 calls were made, indisputable evidence was agreed to be shown, in 1979 when Britain reviewed and found that yes 3 calls were made, all ignored Did the Hagana, the Mainstream Jewish Army ever try to prevent this attacks as they thought them immoral? Yes, An earlier attempt by the Irgun to attack the hotel was foiled when the Haganah learned of it and warned the British authorities Now For Palestinians: To Whom are their attacks predominately target towards? Civilians, coffee shops, restaurants, night clubs etc.. TBC

THANKS !

I have seen peace being made---I Voted for the Good friday Agreenment---are you aware of the signifigance of that---or should I ask ---are you aware of it???. I am quite sure two countries can make peace---but what you miss is that it takes two to rumble. Israel is not very good at the rumble. Incidentally you might do well to study how we made peace and pass it along to some of your buddies on this TB who seem to think there is no one to make peace with???. Work on them---I am already living the benefits of peace. Best wander a little further WJ you taint learning much, judging from your posts.

irgun were tutored by the ira in tactics and their experience in ireland from 1915 onwards were repeated in the mandate. as to the killing of civillians the british shelled many arab villages during their rule. your account of deir yassin is wrong !!

"The west bank and gaza have never been considered occupied territory."el jefe So does the ICJ and the EU and the USA and the Arab League and China and Russia and ---well just about every one else. Oh did I mention the Israeli High Court of Justice--- Read case#2056/04 Beit Zourik V Israel in which said court ruled the West Bank to be "held Under Belligerent Occupation by Israel. Now how do you explain that el jefe--given that the sovereign of a territory cannot also be the occupier. Take your time in San felipe--stay out of the Sun.

These two groups never had more then several hundred members. They were hated by the mainstream Zionist leaders, who fought to curtail them. Terrorism has always been the Palestinians main tool

wow, Israel really is a sucker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks_during_the_1930s#List_of_Irgun_attacks_1937-1948 As I said--Irgun/Stern/Lehi were terrorist groups as shown in the above link. They planted bombs in open markets.Threw Grenades at Arab Buses to mention just two examples. Menachem Begin and Yitzak Shamir were leaders of these terrorist gangs and you guys made them your PM,S. You were brainwashed my boy---. Dont talk about Palestinian terrorists--they learned their trade from your founding fathers. Now go read the above link---and then come back to me.

I said he was a terrorist read before u accuse. it it was war against the brits thats normal to people to die they weren't civilians soldiers die in battles its normal. it was a victory and nations have right to celebrate victories. I'm turkish citizen not israeli so hesnot my prime minister. its normal that he attend there cuz he is coming from ırgun ideology of Betar... and hes in the party which is continuation of Begins party. difference between hamas terror and Irgun terror= one aim civilians does not establish their state and doesnt care of their people(hamas) one aims majorly military targets. to achieve a state not leading their civilians to misery and gaining money over them. Irgun never targeted brits in britain and never targeted brit or arab civilians in europe. they re not angel but at least made the good decisions for their nations for the good of their nation. hamas and fatah just makes terror for enforcing their tyranny they dont wanna establish a pal state

"Be as biased as you want, but you can`t change facts. The UN descriptions of occupied territories do not apply to gaza and the wb." The International Court of Justice, the UN and every country on this planet say Gaza and the West Bank are 'occupied'. You can't change facts.

when you say "Irgun/Etzel were small fringe organizations that did not have more than 1000 memebers and were not supported by the Jewish communiity in what is now Israel" you forget that members of groups like Irgun and Lehi were later elected PMs of Israel. In fact, today's Israeli government is lead by Likud, an ideological descendent of Irgun.

#17 (Brad) said: "Prior to that violence there was tremendous progress and much less suffering. Of course, the Pals will do what hurts them the most." This is true of every single movement seeking end to oppression. Take the civil rights movement. Before the civil rights movement there was oppression and suffering. During the civil rights movement the amount of oppression and suffering felt by blacks increased multiple-fold, as the the systems of power fought violently to maintain the status quo (just like in Palestine). Whose fault is the increase in oppression and suffering? Is the fault of Martin Luthar King and Malcom X? Or is the fault of the segregationists? I tend to think it's the latter since they actually performed the acts of oppression. To claim that Palestinian leaders are responsible for the oppression of Palestinians by the Isralei government is perverse!

The west bank and gaza have never been considered occupied territory. They were never part of a palestinian state, nobody ever recognized Jordan's claim to them ( I think one country did, but essentially nobody). The Geneva conventions say all sorts of things, your quote probably applies to the Golan, but certainly not to gaza and the WB. Those areas were UN protectorate and have been held in limbo, first by Jordan for 20 years and then by israel for 32 years. The Geneva conventions says lots of neat things. If some group of terrorists is hiding within a civilian area, you can drop warnings and then open up an air bombardment 40 minutes later. Like the Jordanians did. Be as biased as you want, but you can't change facts. The UN descriptions of occupied territories do not apply to gaza and the wb.

Not Marwan Barghouti, the FATAH strongman with blood on his hands who is in an Israeli prison. Mustafa Barghouti, the leader of a non-violence resistance movement, and Palestinian Patriot. He is the Palestinians' Nelson Mandela. May Mustafa Barghouti be elected president.

Impeccable please educate Labhras and others. Did Begin kill innocent civilians? How about Shamir? Wasn't Sharon responsible for the massacre of civilians? Think again before you make these one sided and distorted untruths.

In the past I voted for Labour Then Kadima. When will we finnaly get it into our heads that the Muslim world and any Palestinian leader will never quite till we all rest in peace. Me they convince after 60+ years. I am really sorry for those who dream that peace is possible. Illusions makes their day.

Keep in mimd Barghouti refused to mount a defence at his trial [ many believe Israele show trial] He actually learned Hebrew in Israele prison and spoke to the court at his trial. that and the fact he has spent time in Israele prison makes him popupar and gives him credibility. Once realeased he will probably unite the palastinians. I believe Israel should take a chance and release him, Roll the dice and hope for peace. Abbas is a good man and a man of peace, He wresteled with Arafat for control of Fatah becaues he wanted to rein in the militants and stop the rockets. that said he does not and may never have enough support to get the job done [ make peace] I think Israel shoul take a chance Realese Barghouti get Gilad home

So Labrahas - as I do not wish to put words in your mouth, please further explain why you believe that Gilad Shalit is not a kidnapped person but POW. even though, as you agree, he was kidnapped following Hamas peoples tunnelling under the Armstice line and capturing him. I'd love to hear your explanation of this. As well, one thing to note would be how you quickly jump to say that the Irgun and Stern gang did it so it is ok for Palestinians to do it. what would be your views then should, G-D Forbid, Israelis decide to go into Cafe's in WB with bombs strapped on themselves and kill innocent civilians, would you decry it just because Palestinians had done in it in past? or would you stick to your morals and beliefs and condemn it for a disgusting act that it would be. Amazing how your first reaction was to say that two wrongs make a right, but pending your answer to the above we may see a conflict, and if so how do you reconcile. (no words in your mouth, I leave them for you)

I applaud your honesty. Most people on message boards don't fess when they've erred. As for Mandela's regrets, I must point out that it is never the primary goal of any liberation movement to kill civilians. It wasn't the primary goal of Irgun, the Stern Gang, the IRA, the ANC or the PLO. And it's not the primary goal of Hamas and Hezbollah. Killing is just a means to an end. Begin wasn't proud of the Dier Yassin massacre, but he said that it was necessary in order to achieve his goals. All liberation movements stop their killing and renounce violence once they are liberated. When killing is the primary goal, then we're talking about genocide, not terrorism.

Your posting is one of the most adequate postings to be found in this Talkback !

If what you say is true why the celabration of the 60th anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel. Attended by Netanyahu. It was bombed by the Irgun not the Haganah. Maybe they had more support than you think . looks like today they are considered heros.

Your current prime minister Bibi Netanyahu attended the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel The British were livid The ambassador to Tel aviv protested

...hold the same point of view as Naturei Karta, quote: "Israel is not created for biblical reasons or religious reasons. its impossible to create for religious reasons because judaism forbids a state before the arrival of the messiah!" - how do you combine that with the rest of your posting ?

Barghouti is an Arab who is fluent in Hebrew and understand the Israelis quite well. He is much more popular than Abu Mazen in the West bank and Gaza, the man who can unite the two parts, and the two factors, so what else do we want as a Partner. All past Freedom Fighters do have blood on their hands, remember ours??? couple of them end up as PMs.

Please do not put words in my mouth, for example, have I exclaimed anything to the following:" "kidnapping" the enemy is aginst the law---you had better return those 10,000 Palestinians you have in Israeli Gaols---which is against the 4th GGC FORCIBLY TRANSFERRING PROTECTED PERSONS TO THE TERRITORY OF THE OCCUPIER." to say that this just? NO, SO DON"T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND I WONT PUT WORDS IN YOURS. Now This was, if youve ever read the transcript of the Barghouti case a critical issue in his arrest. Perhaps I agree that this is unjust, have I said anything to the contrary? NO, I will address your next post in a momentarily

Ben, the Irgun pioneered the tactic of setting of bombs in crowded areas like marketplaces in order to have the highest amounts of casualties. The Irgun and the Lehi also perpetrated the Deir Yassin massacre in which over one hundred Palestinian civilians were brutally slaughtered. This was a village that had signed a peace treaty with neighboring Jewish settlements.Hamas and numerous other paramilitaries adapted their tactics. Stop drinking the Israeli Kool-Aid.

My apologies Bryan. I checked on Wikipedia and you were right. Mandela did cause civilian deaths. But from the text in Wikipedia one simply reaches the conclusion that Mandela felt very bad about those killings and that he regreted them. Also, civilan killings were never the prime objective of the terrorist operations he undertook. They were unfortunate side effect of the terrorist attacks on South African symbols. But most of all he recognizes that what he had done (i.e. the killing of civilians) was morally wrong. That is exactly what is missing from Barghouti and other Palestinian terrorists. They see killing civilians and suicide attacks as heroic and they will never recognize that they are morally wrong. For me that makes all the difference in the world between a Mandela and a Barghouti.

"The "Palestinians" in Israeli POW camps are soldiers and can be held until the war ends." You just made that up! There are no such POW camps, just jails with Palestinian prisoners accused of belonging to Hamas, or of throwing stones, or of nothing at all (administrative detention).

Irgun/Etzel were small fringe organizations that did not have more than 1000 memebers and were not supported by the Jewish communiity in what is now Israel. Hagana was the mainstream ressitance organization that faught Arab murderers (what else is new) and was close to 100000 strong and was supported by the vast majority of Jews. In fact, HaganA faught with them nail and tooth. Ben Gurion destroyed them after independence. VIVRE LA DIFFERENCE DUDE! To ignore that reality and mentioned Irgun like a broken record (for your propagandist reasons)is like saying that the American Communist party is a mainstream widely-supported party in the US. Wake up dude; truth hurts.

You have obviously not learned much from being in Ireland. If the North and South can make peace, any two peoples or countries can.

Barghouti has been in an Israeli jail long enough to be part of the solution. If he has developed an understanding of how to deal with Israel fairly, he will be important to both side.

So after that logic, on 9/11 the business and military headquarters were attacked... Does this mean that these were military targets and therefore not acts of terrorism either? Or does the religion of the bombers play a role?

There is much contraversy over when and if warning was given. But you say even the british admit that there was a warning and they ignored it. Talk about blame the victim. You say it was military headquaters . When Timothy Mcveigh blew up the Alfred P murrah building ,was it an act of terrorism Do you think it would have made a difference had he given a warning a few minutes before. Your Current prime minister attended the 60 aniversary of the glorius event of the carnage of the King David Hotel I guess one mans terrorist is another mans hero

Labhras, what the f@#k are you doing in Ireland? Probably sitting on land that belongs to someone else. Put your money where your mouth is and go back to your brothers in the Middle East. Law only works when there is peace. "Palestinians" refuse to make peace with Israel. They attack Israel. That is war, whether they wear a uniform or represent a nation-state or not. Where was international law and UN charters when 5 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948? The "Palestinians" in Israeli POW camps are soldiers and can be held until the war ends. The Germans and the Japanese realized they were beaten in 1945 and unconditionally surrendered. They lost some of their land and have since become countries that are both democratic and developed. You "Palestinians" should learn from the Germans and Japanese. Unless you are TOO STUPID.

wonder how long till Israel looks like Colombia?

Barghouti will be as the next PM in good company. Begin, Shamir and Sharon have been very successfull serial killers too before becoming Israel's PM. Barghouti is only following their bad example.

When Mandela was arrested, he was plotting to blow up a passenger train. Mandela himself admits that he was involved in terrorist activities. Even if you don't believe me, you should at least believe him.

Naive, He is at end a terrorist. He has Jewish blood in his hands. Show me an example in history which a terrorist was freed and make a viable peace. If a relative of yours was murdered by him I wonder what would you say. Aby

It is not very often that I agree with Palestinians, but he is right. Thanks to the Israeli policy of exchanging terrorists for soldiers at ridiculous ratios (talk about disproportionate response!) HAMAS and other organizations are more likely to capture more Israelis in the future. As for Barghuti, I feel conflicted over him. On one hand he is a terrorist. On the other hand, so was Arafat and that didn't keep Israel from talking to him. Bargouti is not a good boy like Abbas, but the Palestinians will actually follow him. The way I see it is that Israel has a choice between Fateh under Barghouti or HAMAS. Which one is the lesser of two evils?

KDH was British Military HQ for M.East....... it wasn't a disney resort hotel full of tourists.

Abbas does not want Hamas to win, before he has successfully installed his successor, that's why the elections have been postphoned. But he may remember to always be careful what he wishes for, for he might get it!!

do leopards change spots?

UN is the most useless thing that human kind have ever created Israel didnt grab any land they won it after a war just like France who won Alsase loraine after WW2 and jordan lost it just like Germany who lost many land of his historical land and moved 100 km to the west. Thats the only proof needed after that if the pals want independent they can fight for it which they do. if they really want a nation can force isr to negotiations and declare a state in there. and yes im a zionist too just like u can be an Irish who wanted a nation before. Zionism: the ideology which aims to create and a state for jewish people and improve it. Israel is not created for biblical reasons or religious reasons. its impossible to create for religious reasons because judaism forbids a state before the arrival of the messiah! and in WB and Gaza before the egypt an jordanian occupation there were jews living in that land who were massacred or forced to move out. so israel has right in WB and Gaza.

Unfortunately Barghoouti is correct. Israel has to be very careful. If it completely caves in to the terrorist demands, than it can expect more kidnapings and terror from their enemies. Nothing succeeds like success.

Israel should have a death sentence for extreme cases of murderers. This would put an end to the idea that they could be released in the future via some trade with terrorists. I know it sounds extreme but the enemy takes advantage of the weak democratic PC rules of western mentality.

un charter 1945 ratifies san remo/1922 mandate READ ARTICLE 5 unscr242/338 ratifies again the land as israel 1979 treaty with egypt /1995 peace treaty jordan ratifies again land as israel !

There is a stench of 40 plus years of agression and brutality. So lets not be too disengenuous. I do have to admit that you have come a long way to where you are today. I hope for people like you that peace can be the outcome--however distasteful the demands are. You at least are willing to try.

had never had any sovereignty over any peace of land. Of course they should be given some land to live on, since nobody wants them as the citizens.

You said what I have been wanting to say about these comparisons of Bargouti and Mandela. The latter used a non-violent way to free his people. The latter has the blood of at least 35 people on his hands, including a Greek Orthodox monk. Isdrael needs to have a deaath penalty for serial killers.has

The nation of Israel was built on the back of Jewish terrorism. Groups such as Irgun and Lehi, which were led by future PM's of Israel were are violent and bloody as any terror group you can name. In the end, the Jewish terrorism was rewarded, the nation of Israel was founded, and the terrorist leaders had their careers assured. Perhaps it is their success with terrorism that makes Israelis so militant. Israel loves the idea of feeding other terrorists a dose of their own medicine, but Israelis choke on it when it is fed to them in turn.

Obviously, Israel thinks it would be a brilliant move to release Barghouti, who has strong creed on the Arab street, as a foil to Hamas, who can drain away their legitimacy as an alternative Palestinian movement to Fatah. Of course, the last time Israel did something this brilliant was helping develop and nurture an alternative movement to Arafat & Fatah 30 years ago for the same reason. It was called Hamas. Brilliant!

"First of all Begin and his group did not target civilians but the British military." Maurice As I poinetd out to Eli---google Jewish terrorism Irgun Stern. When you find it ---if you bother---repost. "But what is revealing in your remarks is how you bring back back the issue to "Jews" and not "Israelis", showing exactly where your arguments originate from : a deep hatred for Jews!"Maurice. Gee I only did what you all do when you claim that it is anti semitic to prevent "Jews" from living in the occupied territories. We only prevent Israelis?????. As a gesture of generosity on my part I will allow you te prove to me that Irgun/stern was other than a Jewish Organisation. Poor effort Maurice---but noo surprise---when short of an answer---pull out the old Anti semite card. It is all bent on the corners and scratched beyond recognition Maurice--you over used it.

I stopped supporting Israel after they released Kuntar and the other terrorists for the 2 mutilated bodies in Lebanon. Now, here they go again, releasing hundreds of the world's worst killers in exchange for one soldier. The United States has lost thousands of our bravest in the War on Terror while Israel is willing to surrender everything for the sake of one prisoner. Israel is so weak and pathetic in these matters; is the country truly run by old grandmothers who can't see beyond the life of one beloved boy? You fool yourselves into thinking you are great warriors, you do fight but then you surrender everything for nothing. The bad joke continues.

"Barghouti: Shalit abduction achieved what no dialogue could." Yes, there is a certain logic to that, for sure. And throwing every Arab out of the West Bank and Gaza would achieve what no dialogue could do either. I suppose there's a similar logic to that, too.

And the unfortunate truth for those interested in furthering the cause of peace is the imprisonment of Barghouti which has been primarily for politically motivated rather than for military or criminal reasons. Were he to become a president (like Mandela), Israel would be maneuvered to be under tremendous political pressure to deliver on its (thus far false) claimed desire to see a 2 states solution to the conflict.

There is no one in the region who has completely clean hands. There are those who send others to commit terrorist acts, those who commit the acts, and those who support them via election and violence. Then there are those who condone brutal occupation with all the trimmings, war that kills hundreds of civilians, and the governments that support it. I'd say that given that landscape Barghouti is no worse than any one else with whom we've had to do business in the past. It's time to clean house and start a new chapter between Israel and the Palestinians. Even with Barghouti's support of hostage taking as a strategic positive, we must hold our nose and release him. If he is indeed the one person who can unite the Palestinians and bring them to the table with Netanyahu, I'd say its a no-brainer. It is what it is.

Who cares what is he saying ? The bloodstained savage should never see the daylight .

anything that supports your claim that Israel has sovereignity over the West Bank Gaza or East Jerusalem. Being honest ---you cannot. Oh the bible dont cut the mustard So back to where we were---land grabbing zionist non peace seeker?????.

as long as Arabs have leaders like these scums Israel has nothing to worry about. cuz they choose violence and Israel is very good in responding to violence. Isr should begin to worry when they will have a real leader like Ataturk or Begin.....NOT..... cuz after the good leader they will surely choose wort leader ever and screw everything up like the situation in turkey

out on some jimmied up pretext ---just like the kangaroo court that convicted him in the first place for the same reason. Israel has no room in their expansionist plans for possible peace makers.

You state: "But of course terrorist laws do not apply to Jews---right Eli???." First of all Begin and his group did not target civilians but the British military. The Hotel in question was being used as military headquarters by the British. Civilians may have been there but the hotel was informed that it was going to be attacked so that any civilians may be evacuated. All this does not compare AT ALL with the indscriminate attacks of the Pals on the Israeli civilians we have seen over the years. But what is revealing in your remarks is how you bring back back the issue to "Jews" and not "Israelis", showing exactly where your arguments originate from : a deep hatred for Jews!

I am "an unapologetic land grabbing zionist who does not seek peace" with land stealing murderers.

Yes, Terror pays, especially when Israelis think each deal will bring peace. Oslo, camp david, gaza... and now building freeze

Please don't insult Mandela by comparing him to Barghouti. Mandela never killed innocent women and children in terror attacks on CIVILIANS. His resistance was against the South African military and security forces.

so civilized eh? so deserving of their own state huh? rather than take a page from ghandi's book, they have for over 50 yrs elected to go the path of violence, murder, killing, torturing, incitement to genocide etc...what a wonderful neighbour..what a display of responsability for the world ...and yet, many many people and countries turn a blind eye to this decades old policy of savagery and bestiality...one has to ask...why is that? could it be anti semitism? do we support he underdog no matter the transgression? is this what obama is about? support and outreach to the muslim world no matter their transgressions? hmmmmm....ya think one of his grand speeches about the need for reformation in the muslim world is due? or are his teachable moments only reserved for israel and the jews....hmmmm....

He has 2 options: Released to Gaza of if in the WB, he is subject to rearrest if there is any violence what so ever. Any Jewish blood spilled, he get wacked. My guess is that he will be a solid citizen.

It is obvious from his own comments that, if released, Bargouthi will choose the same path as Arafat, which would bring nothing more that more misery to the Palestinians.

Yitzak Shamir and Menachem Begin had, during their terrorist careers, been responsible for far more terrorist murders than Barghouti. That they ended up Prime Ministers of Israel, and one of them signing a Peace Treaty with Egypt should be instructive. We live in a messy world and modern nations often - as the USA did - originate in terrorist actions. As Israel did. . .

so what a worst person like Arafat who planned 'massacres of children and adult civilians not only in Israel but in non war zones on people who has no link to israel except being jew' had it. Obama who has done nothing had it. u see the evolution in nobel peace prize before it was people who killed people who get it now people who has done nothing but talking about it got it. after i hope it will be people who has done real good for peace will get it=the real reason for peace prize.(not really sure about it im not an optimist:(( )

what will you war mongering zio's do if peace comes in spite of you and because of barghouti?

1)King David hotel was an english military headquarter i dont know if they were civilians but headquarters was called and warned before the attack english didnt believe it. its very weird that in a military base there re such many civilians. if they work there they re military... even the english confirm that they were warned. the bomb was put in the archive part of the base to eliminate the name data of jews in Irgun and other terror groups. the aim was not to kill. even the brits confirm it. 2)he was a terrorist ure right. but not in todays definition... they didnt aim civilians but english military targets. the Lehi group separated from them because they werent that hardcore. 3)Albert Einstein not Einstien! 4)he was wrong in that he wasnt a nazi he didnt try or wanted to kill all arabs. and if he wanted he could have done it in one or 2 weeks like jordanians massacre of 10000 pals in 2 weeks. 5)not liking others doesnt make u nazi or racist. hating others with no reason does!

He/she who hides behind a number. Be honest ---you are an unapologetic land grabbing zionist who does not seek peace.

or the west bank. Get real---you think the IDF can drop by Gza when it pleases and create havoc and then go home to tea in safety. You think the war zone begins and ends in Gaza the west Bank. Where do you get your logic from???. If "kidnapping" the enemy is aginst the law---you had better return those 10,000 Palestinians you have in Israeli Gaols---which is against the 4th GGC FORCIBLY TRANSFERRING PROTECTED PERSONS TO THE TERRITORY OF THE OCCUPIER. You need some lessons in law --Eli---you are making your self look somewhat silly.

or the west bank. Get real---you think the IDF can drop by Gza when it pleases and create havoc and then go home to tea in safety. You think the war zone begins and ends in Gaza the west Bank. Where do you get your logic from???. If "kidnapping" the enemy is aginst the law---you had better return those 10,000 Palestinians you have in Israeli Gaols---which is against the 4th GGC FORCIBLY TRANSFERRING PROTECTED PERSONS TO THE TERRITORY OF THE OCCUPIER. You need some lessons in law --Eli---you are making your self look somewhat silly.

Is the suffering of Pals brought on by violence. Prior to that violence there was tremendous progress and much less suffering. Of course, the Pals will do what hurts them the most.

Mr Barbar is right! shalits capture led to operations in gaza and destructions like cast led which showed hamas they cant achieve anything with their policy which forced them to cease the rockets! and talk to Israel. in an other way: Hamas forced itself to talks with isr! by the way everyone knows that it has always been hamas who refused talks with isr. so by capturing shalit they didnt force isr to talks... The real enemy is inside us. whats pals biggest enemy Their own leaders. cuz criticizing others is easy but its painful to see our own mistakes. the only way to defeat israel is to defeat their enemy within and unite in which they seem to be the most failed nation in this world: see middle east how many divided little arab countries...

"So Barghouti Believes That Terrorism Works -"Eli You seem to forget names like --Yitzak Shamir.Menachem Begin, both memebers/leadres of the Irgun /Stern terrorists gangs. But of course terrorist laws do not apply to Jews---right Eli???. Try a little balance Eli---it might get you some credibility. If in doubt--google Irgun Stern terrorist acts Read and learn---then balance your posts

Barghouti is the one man who can unite Hamas and Fatah and speak with authority for all Palestinians and that is precisely why the Isrealis will never free him. He has the potential to be the Palestinians' Mandela.

Years earlier he blew up the King David Hotel killing 92 innocent civillians and committed other acts of terrorism including hanging British soldiers.When he cane to America to campaign in 1948 he was called a natzi by Albert Einstien.

... Addition to the PA with ideas like that. Let's examine, Shalit was kidnapped he is not a POW. He was kidnapped inside the 1949 Armstice lines and not in a combat or warzone. Barghouti has just stated that yes, Kidnapping Israeli Soldiers does force a dialogue because Israel will negotitate for one body, dead or alive. Very Astute Mr. Barghouti, it seems that you will be taking the Arafat road. Well once thing is starting to become evident to me. If Barghouti wins we might not have the moderate people expected, no, we might see a replay of the French Revolution. It began Radical, moderated itself and then came the Jacobins and the heads started rolling. Arafat, Abbas, Barghouti, fits the bill, well we'll see

Israel on Alleged Charges. This is why tens of thousands of palestinians rot in Israeli Dungeons, a number by far exceeding all of the Israeli casualties and number of attacks since Israel's inception.

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Unity of the Palestinians is what can be expected. If he achieves that very difficult task then Israel has someone it knows can deliver on any agreements. That gives Israel comfort as well and would seriously help peace negotiations. What is your suggestion? Continue with the current status quo and let both people continue to struggle indefinitely? p.s. to all those mentioning Barghouti and blood on his hand, look to Israels founders. Things move on, it is part of the process however hard to stomach.

"Marwan Barghouti - originally arrested in 1976; released; a leader of the first intifada; arrested and expelled to Jordan; allowed to return in 1994; became Tanzim terrorist leader in 2000, overseeing many terrorist attacks involving the murder of some 35 Israelis; arrested in 2002" In jail he has continued to speak out for armed resistance--- Barghouti style (as head of the Al-Aqsa Brigades) which means terror. To his anti-racist credit he has not just murdered Jews but also a Greek Orthodox monk.

do we have to expect from the leadership of Marwan Barghouti? Unfortunately the article does not even try to give an answer. What are the strategical implications of a more hawkish Fatah leadership? Good old violence leading to nothing for the Palestinians? How innovative! I hope he will be a real leader. May his role models be Sadat and Hussein. Inshallah!

I wonder how the Greek Orthodox community feels about his possible release? As for him becoming President of the PA I find that humourous

All Palestinians ought to be free in good faith, and Israel should have no right to hold any of them, that would have been the first item in peace negotiation. Israel imposed such condition on Arafat and the PLO. So why not agreeing on reciprocity instead of highlighting superiority and bias?. Marwan is a genuine patriot, and he would clean Fatah house from Abbas and his inept group. Releasing him would be a huge step toward equity and hope of real intention to seek a lasting peace with the Palestinians. The Isreali right is now unchallenged and if wise, it can inch toward reconciliation based on justice and not on stealing Palestinian lands and imposing terms bu force. Depending on the corrupt side is like the SLA saga.

Barghouti is the Nelson Mandala of the Palestinians.

Freeing Barghouti is in the very best interests of Israel - in giving the Palestinians a 'strong-man' candidate (which Abu Mahzen is NOT) - a reasonable alternative to Hamas. There is much room for discussion about the 'price' Israel will pay for the release of Gilad Shalit. But history is full of precedents in which enemies freed captive leaders with blood on their hands, in order to reach a viable peace. Will our leaders not learn a little from history?