Barak: We must crush IDF refusal with an iron fist

#10 isn't mine In comparison to other armies, Israel's is the most moral, show me one, just one, that has higher standards If you wish, we can discuss yours and see what we can dig up about yours

Encless streams from drivel from someone who has never been anywhere near where the action has taken place ""You can`t stop the metastasis without excising the cancer." Just more nonsense from someone who told us that America is a Democracy, not knowing that the land he lives in is a REPUBLIC What an expert, LOL

After all, it's what he has built his entire political career around; talking big and doing nothing, and then blaming those around him for why his Grand Plan didn't work. And all the while it is because he doesn't actually have a Grand Plan.

Three cheers for those soldiers who refuse to oust citizens of Yisrael from Yisraeli soil! May YHWH turn on their heads those who insist that these soldiers must turn on their brothers and sisters and remove them from HaAretz that He Himself gave to the descendants of Avraham, Yitzchak, & Yisrael and NOT repeat NOT to the children of Ishmael/Edom! As He told the Fathers, those will be blest who bless His children, and curst who curse them, and doesn't that include those of their own Yisraeli rulership who thus curse their own people? Soon YHWH will make clear to whom He has given this land, such as by fulfilling the Word that He gave us through the navi Ovadyah, an Edomite who became Yisraeli BY CHOICE, and to whom YHWH in turn gave wonderful foresight to see what is coming both for Yisrael and Edom. Blest be the Name of YHWH and also His eternal Atid Lavoh! Amein!

Israel sometimes ends peaceful demonstrations quite violently, and that includes "right wing" demonstrations. There is an anti-democratic attitude among some of the left. The uprooting of settlements may be the government's plan for "peace", but nobody really believes "peace" will ensue.

Well it looks like there will soon be hundreds of empty jail cells when the government releases Arab terrorists. Perhaps the IDF patriots will be jailed in those empty cells. It is beginning to look like the government does not know their own true enemy!

What the world desperately wants to know, Mr. Ronen, is how do we root out the nest of terrorists in Tel Aviv?

Mr. Barak: clearly you have discovered that it's much easier to threaten and crush your populace than the Palestinians and Iranians. Way to go!

No army describes itself as 'moral', except Israel's. It means nothing, but obscures 'immorality'.

and NEVER, should the twain come to meet! israel's funding of these schools was a mistake, and for it to continue funding them would be an even bigger one. these schools are essentially sowing seeds of ideological dissent within the idf. the primary loyalty of their students will be to the ideological values preached by the schools. but it may actually be too late for ANY action to curtail the damage. between the numbers of these students, and settler recruits in general, these publicly declared guarantees of insubordination are just the tip of an iceberg of identical sentiment that lies silently dormant within the idf.

Charge and try a few for mutiny, which is an appropriate charge, and exact the maximum penalty for mutiny under Israel's UCMJ. Carry out the sentence publicly, pour encourager les autres.

"You can't stop the metastasis without excising the cancer. Israel cannot end it's disease without removing the settlements and settlers who spread the cancer.

Can you mention any army, just one, that's more moral than the IDF?? Remember Mei Lai, Abu Graib? Then talk

There are several ways to treat it To refuse service in the fact of combat, would in some armies be treated as mutiny, requiring execution or imprisonment upon conviction Other armies would toss the bugger out as unsuited for military service The Israel army consists of conscripts, who can opt at the end of their first service, for duty in the Tzava Keva, where the pay is better as are the bnefits

Israeli army exists to fight against the state enemies rather than its own people, especially those who are on the front edge of defending integrity of historical Jewish lands. It's not those soldiers who refuse to obey immoral orders would bring the collapse of Israel, but those politicians who use the people's army to do police job.

Netanyahu needs to find a new Defense Minister to avert internal disaster in Israel by Barak. It is time Leftism stops crusading ethinic cleansing of Jews living in Judea and Samaria. If Barak thinks he can crush IDF refusal to do ethinic cleansing of Jews, he must be living in Mars.

Mr Boston, you have your facts skewed. In April 2002, the IDF rooted out a nest of terrorists in the Casbah in Jenin. The Casbah is not the refugee camp; the camp is adjacent to the city of Jenin. The area in question was about 100 by 100 meters; the aerial photographs are clear. This operation followed a spate of suicide bombings, culminating in the Park Hotel massacre, which occured on the first night of Passover. Do you remember how many people died that night in the hotel dining room? Some survived the Holocaust, only to be ripped to shreds by a cowardly suicide bomber, dispatched from the Casbah in Jenin. Dr Samantha Power of Harvard, denigrated Israel, calling the operation a massacre; the wonderful UN found no evidence of massacres etc. So much for the BBC, Jeremy Bowen, Ola Guerin and the other barking dogs. See what the Lebanese army's indiscriminate shelling did to a camp in northern Lebanon in 2007- they left a hulking smoking ruin, and you remained silent?

Religious freedom and an end to racism are the two big problems that Israel faces. Both of these matters are bound up one with the other. Many US Jews do not want to immigrate to Israel because of their suppression of religion. The Islamic countries also have this problem. Religious freedom and racial tolerance should be the rallying cries of all those in the Middle East and the world who want Peace in the Middle East and in the world. The US has many problems, but it has set the standard for the rest of the world in religious and race relations. Islam and Israel would do well to follow this example--then Israel wouldn't have such military needs.

He botched the Lebanon war and cut short the Cast Lead war in Gaza. He is demoralizing the army with his immmoral destroying of Jewish homes and expulsion of Jews. Barak, go home

He should show the same initiative against drunken soldiers (in uniform), shouting in line #60 busses, on their way back to the basis in the Negev. Alcohol is the real problem of society.

If and when a settlement with the Palestinians ever comes, those settlers who are willing to evacuate voluntarily should be compensated generously. Those who stubbornly refuse to evacuate shhould be allowed to remain - under Palestinian rule. That will be a win-win situation: No more messianic extremists in Israel, less money to pay out in compensation, a decline in power of the religious right.

and NEVER, should the twain EVER come to meet! israel's funding of these schools was a mistake, and for it to continue funding them would be an even bigger one. these schools are essentially sowing seeds of ideological dissent within the idf. the primary loyalty of their students will be to the ideological values preached by the schools. but it may actually be too late for ANY action to curtail the damage. between the numbers of these students, and settler recruits in general, these publicly declared guarantees of insubordination are just the tip of an iceberg of identical sentiment that lies silently dormant within the idf.

Kinda flies in the face of free speech, moral choice and democracy doesn't it? You have to earn the respect of an individual that you want to fight for Israel. Enforcing it will simply be the IDF admitting that refusal is a problem for them. Paying bonuses/rewarding people to enlist will only encourage the crazies to join and since the IDF PR image is a bit dented, having a few nutters fighting arab kiddies in the name of the IDF won't do ISrael any favours.

They got no problem bulldozing the homes of Palestinians families or desroying the entire refugee camp in Jenin, rendering 1000's homeless, but their conscience will not let them evacuate a few dozen Jews from outposts that even Israel recognizes as illegal.

Before all else, cutting funds to yeshivas must be a sine-qua-non to put the relationship between the state and the religious parties and institutions on a new footing. Next, no government should include religious parties. Third, violators of the law, civilians and soldiers alike should be jailed as criminals. Unless Israel becomes a law and order state, it future is murky.

If IDF refuse to take orders means the end of the state of Israel. I say an apple is distroyed by its own worms.

Ehud Barak should reserve his "iron fist' rhetoric for Israel's real enemies as well as for the children of his rich Tel Aviv neighbors who shirk military service altogether or use their parents' connections to spend their army years as disk jockeys in Galgalatz or xeroxing press releases in the IDF press office.

If Barak actually wants to solve the problem, he might try something novel. Crack down on the Settlers who have been permitted to do anything they want for decades. It is that lawless attitude fostered for decades that has led the Settlers and their supporters to believe they have the right to ignore any and all laws.

...Ehud Barak has accurately stated his intentions, it might have been better for him to have edited out his speechwriter's "crushing" and "iron first" references (thereby driving the folks he's about to deal with into an EVEN DEEPER DEFENSIVE CROUCH). On the OTHER HAND, if this was only intended to serve as classic heroic posturing...well, hey, man, then the genius who wrote it should get a nice fat raise!

armies are for confronting enemies. police are for internal affairs. but israeli leaders are oblivious to this. these young kids have more brains than the ministers and cabinet members, and botjh sides know it. luckily in israel people make fun of the leaders enough so that no one really takes them seriously. kudos to the courageous few, whose numbers are growing. and good riddance to their liberally-lost colleagues who seek to escape the army and israel - good riddance to them.

Israel needs to stop placating these cults. Anything short of cutting off funding to any hesder associated with insordination is likely to be ineffective.

is enshrined within The Human Rights Charter which Israel is a signatory of. Israel also claims to be a western style democracy. In which case freedonm of speech allows people to call for refusal of orders. The illegality comes if a member of the Armed forces refuses to carry out a direct order. Barak threatening to use an iron fist reminds me of Ahmedinijad's threats to the those who protested the results of the elections. The real problem is that Israel has allowed the Settlers to becoe a state within a state. This is what needs to be addressed, unfortunatly Netanyahu relies on those who represent them in the Knesset to ensure his name remains on the PMO's door. Consequently nothing of any consequence will happen and Israel will continue to implode from within. With the Intelligenstia and those with a second passport leaving Israel in ever greater numbers as they realise the jig is up.

Recently a rightest group rewarded two soldiers with $5000.00. Let that be the monetary standard of fines for refusing orders. This will accomplish making the rewards go underground and thereby also their publicity. Part of the motivation for the latest occurances must be the reward, so make a fine match the reward, and take it out of soldiers pay, which, until it IS paid, they remain in the brig. My guess is that word of this will spread like wildfire and put an end to the motivation. Also, the Knessest should immediately implement a law calling for fines to organizations or individuals promoting insubordination in the military. Typically these sorts of fines should be five times the average amount, as ameans to make the risk extremely high and cancel out all the publicity associated with it. To the whiners and crybabies who are not going to like this idea, let me suggest that this is not about settlements, but about insubordination in the military which is another matter.