Ayalon touts population swap in peace deal

The problem is he wishes to Split the israeli arabs and take them off the responsibility of the israeli state. and instead use them as a "chip" to legalize settlement expansions. what does Palestine get in return ? nothing because the Israel-arabs in the north are split off westbank with connection while west bank is made into even MORE of a cheese cake with settlement expansions. instead of stopping the settlements hes trying to legalize them. the israeli-arabs in the north will be surrounded with walls and security like in gaza as they no longer are citizens.

Stephen, The GA 181 only legitimate borders argument (promoted only by Western Anti-Zionists) has been overcome by events a long time ago. The ICJ in their advisory opinion against the 'wall' had to define 'occupied territory' in order to make their legal argument. They defined 'occupied territory' as EJ,WB and Gaza and specifically denied that any territory within Green Line Israel was occupied. In addition, they specifically excluded Green Line Israel from obligations under the 4th Geneva Convention and limited their obligations only to 'human rights' which all states are required to follow within their sovereign territory. The Arab judge was outraged at the (Anti-Israel) opinion and submitted a harshly worded rejection of Israeli sovereignty over any territory. He was ignored (with the exception of CJ, Johnboy, Indrajaya and Stephen of London). Your argument is tired and long overcome by events (OBE). Yawn.

All, CJ imagines that Israel's boundaries are only those in GA 181 rejected by the Palestinians and the Arab States. She forgets that numerous UN SCR resolutions regard the 1949 armistice boundaries as within Israeli sovereignty. This was made clear in UN SCR 242. In addition, UN SCR 1515 recognizes the Roadmap which calls for negotiated boundaries 'based on the 4 June 1967 lines'. The ICJ decision (hardly Pro-Israel) refused to declare any territory within the Green Line 'occupied territory'. This so upset the only Arab judge that he posted a dissent to the (Anti-Israel)'advisory decision' claiming that most of Israel proper was also 'occupied territory'. Everyone ignored him (except for CJ and Johnboy, of course). I expect to hear long and boring treatises from CJ and Johnboy on how Israel is not a recognized country and isn't protected by the UN charter. Yawn.

David Plane, Ayalon's statement was in response to MK Tibi, who twice stated that he could never be loyal to Israel. Ayalon's statement appeared to be off-hand and not a statement of government policy. I saw the exchange on CSPAN. It was at a conference of Israeli and Palestinian journalists. Maybe, they should have referendum of Palestinian-Israeli communities along the Green Line. If these communities vote to stay in Israel proper, a swap (at least of these territories) would be off the table. If they vote Palestine, that would be a logical swap with the major Jewish settlement blocs. Either way, I support an agreement 'based on the 67 borders' with equal exchanges of territory. However, I think that the 'no man's land' should not be automatically be considered Palestinian. Nor should the 'corridor' between Gaza and the WB be given to Palestine without territorial compensation. (equivalent corridors could be granted to Israel - perhaps along the Jordan river

All, Hussein said" What a Chutzpah, swapping stolen land for another stolen land you did not own to begin with, why not return the Jews the Zionist lured back to Morocco , Egypt and Iraq and bring the Palestinians home owners , after all they still hold the keys to their homes." After which Mikael from Europe says,"The map is clear, everybody, except some fanatic, accept the 67 border." Obviously, part of the problem is that many Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims consider all of Israel 'occupied, stolen land'. I agree that there should be an Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 border with swaps of land. The key to peace is still in the wording of UN SCR 242 "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area (including Israel) and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force"

All, I saw this exchange at a meeting of Israeli and Palestinian journalists in the Knesset. It started when Tibi (in his speech) said that he could never declare loyalty for Israel. An Israeli journalist asked him what loyalty oath he could agree to. He repeated that he could never be loyal to a Jewish Israel and implied that he could not be loyal to any Jewish majority state. Ayalon retorted that since his (Tibi's) community is on the Green Line, they could choose to switch to Palestine (without moving)and that these border communities could be exchanged for Israeli settlement blocs. Tibi retorted that the last in should be the first to leave. I took that as advocating expulsion of the Jews from Israel proper. Indeed, he was angry but his response was impolite and racist. The issue on the exchange was not the basis of Middle East peace but Tibi's refusal to have 'any loyalty to Israel'. Apparently, both were speaking off the top of their heads.

CJ, Here is what UN SCR 242 says, "Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both of the following principles: ... (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integral and political independence of every State in the area and the right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" UN SCR 242 is also the basis of the Road Map, UN SCR 338 and UN SCR 1515 which recognized within Intl Law the two State solution and a future state of Palestine living in peace along side Israel. Consequently, recognition of Israel is required by International Law and is a requirement of the 'fulfillment of UN Charter principles". CJ, your ridiculous 'International Law' bears no relationship to the real International Law.

Jordanian rule had never been exercised over all jordanian diaspora - should they be stripped of their citizenship too?

If that was the case the deputy FM would refer to those broadcasts, don't you think Eve?

You think Israel can make it without US aid. There is some question in my mind whether that is so, especially without our protection in the UN. However, I think it would be interesting to watch what happens when Israel, which is already having problems with its budget, has to do without the few billion dollars a year we supply.

There is no defending this idiot. But he is not playing to you, he is playing to his core vote, and that is what makes him so dangerous to the State of Israel. There has been recently talk of a campaign to delegitimize Israel. There is no campaign just a reaction to Ayalon's utterances of a complete and utter madman. These are dangerous times for Israel.

'When `Dr.L.Brnd` (of all people) says someone`s too extreme, you know they`re too extreme.' There is another interpretation of Dr L Brnd's remarks: that Ayalon is not 'too extreme', but rather, 'too soft'. In other words, perhaps our good doctor really means to say that no part of Israel 'proper' (within the Green Line) should ever be surrendered. It's hard for me to imagine too many Israeli politicians to the right of Mr Ayalon (whose fellow political traveller, by the way, is Avigdor Lieberman - both men being members of Yisrael Beitaynu). MV

The point that I tried to make is that the modern palestinians are descendents of jews that lived there 3000 thousand years ago. The law of return should therefore be applied to Palestinians in much of the same way as to the jews. Personally, I like a binational state. One state two ethnicities and two languages. It worked in Canada, Switerland, Belgium, Bosnia, why not in Palestine/Israel? Everyone is equal and that removes the stigma of the palestinians being oppressed. It will kill the exteremists on both sides. It might take a generation but it will work.

Back to 67 lines (not Borders)is only a first step. The day Hamas modifies its charter... So far they have even gone back on their declaration to UN that their aim was not to hurt Israeli civilians. They again say that IT IS their Aim, along the lines of their charter.

After the Turkish ambassador messy affair I would not not classified Ayalon as a Brilliant Diplomat.(Just to be polite) MK. Tibi in his decleration Says he does not want to expell anybody from the country. There is no difference between Ta'al and right wing Jewish politician. Everybody want to expell everybody. Tibi everbody knows you. Aren't you just (not to much) a little fascist.

'I think Israel sees this now too, and despite his family and political connections, Ayalon will be quietly sidetracked and made ambassador to Botswana or something else relatively harmless.' My. When 'Dr.L.Brnd' (of all people) says someone's too extreme, you know they're too extreme. Like hearing Madonna denounce someone for being too sensationalistic. It also reflects well on 'Dr L.Brnd.' Although I still disagree with just about every idea he appears to have, it has to be admitted that he is capable of some intellectual discrimination.

I have shown using the website of the premier Jewish newspaper that there is another version of events to what occured than the one Ayalon is describing. And there is a significant difference to what was alleged to have been said by Ayalon, which would be a crime and what the person has admitted that he said which wouldn't be as it is in the Koran. As I said in my post the thing was videotaped, and we will see whose version of events is correct.

Have you ever heard the term rezoning? This is when a city or municipality changes it?s boundaries. People who lived in city A are now live in city B. It happens all the time whiting counties. Not so much between two countries, although there are also many examples of that. What the residents have to say in case of rezoning? Noting.

..Ayalon, the non-diplomatic diplomat, and deputy to the settler/racist Lieberman.

Why wouldn't Palestinian Israeli want to be part of Palestine, considering how horrible Israel is to them - and they wouldn't even have to move.

Every so often an Israeli politician brings up the idea of moving the border (NOT moving people) in a final settlement so that a number of Arab town end up on the Palestinian side of the border. It's great fun becuase it exposes the hypocrasy of the Arabs who continually whine about Israeli society/discrimination etc but when given an opportunity to escape this horrible place always seem to object. They know what a great thing they have; citizenship in an open society; no responsibilites, service on their end - and they get to walk around with a chip on their shoulder all the time - great deal

Khaybar implies slaughter the males and Sell as slaves the rest, while Itbah juat means slauaghter (ALL JEWS). And 3 witnesses (Arabic speaking) heard the latter, according to YOUR suggested website.

the people living in the triangle dont have to move only the triangle will be part of palastine, so will the people be palastinians. so nobody have to move.

in the most great metropols of this world, you have 100 to 150 differents nationalities, living peacefully side by side. Israel itself is the best example: From Adjerbeidan to Zambia.

They stated that they are staying PUT. If Mr Ayalon like swapping , he should do the honour to go.

A condition of talks since day 1 has always been the PA must recognize Israel as a jewish state. It was a condition then and its a condition today The arabs recognition of Israel as a jewish state is essential because if the palestinians say on the record they recognize Israel as a jewish state its kills their right of return fantasy and it legitimizes Israels right to exist in the eyes of the arab world When they recognize Israel as a jewish state they can't come back later and say Israel is Palestine. Whats wrong with allowing alliyah? All sovereign states have the right to decide their own immigration policy. Israel has chosen to give jews an automatic right to emigrate to Israel. Non jews are allowed to emigrate but they must apply through different channels and they just don't have an automatic right and they don't get the financial benefiit package. Israel does have to specify its a jewish state if its going to kill all these ideas of binational state ideas & right of return

we were here , and HERE WE STAY. Those who came last should be the one to get out FIRST. (I think this man should be made an FM, hehas more brain than some) Mr Ayalon should politely ask Pres.ABBAS if he would allow the settlers to become Palestinians Jews in the New State odf Palestine, than trying to swap Arabs on the Israel/Palestine Chess Board.

Arab descent? The Jews are a NATION, by tradition, language and culture. It is a much older tradition than Palestinian, by thousands of years.

Arab descent? The Jews are a NATION, by tradition, language and culture. It is a much older tradition than Palestinian, by thousands of years.

SAettlements are build on ILLEGALY acquired Palestinian lands, ALL Settlements are therefore ILLEGAL in the eyes of the world communities. LEGALLY, Israel should be on the Legal side of the Partition of the "Palestine Mandate" which is 55% not on 78% up to the 67 borders. The poor Palestinians accepted THIER LOSSES, and even Hamas say that they will stop all violence if Israeli armies go back to the Green Line 67.

In Gaza, and Ramallah. So neither Hamas, nor Fatah, represent the Palestinian nation?

They are citizens of Israel, arent they? Slowly we come to the beef!!

Mr. Ayalon tells us what might be done, but the Bulgarians did exactly that in the mid '80s. They transferred some Ethnic Turks back to Turkey without asking anybody. There were were a few oy veys and not much more. Granted the Turks, for their part, transfered some Greeks over a border to create a Turkish Republic of Cyprus. That gets page three in most newspapers, if at all. Israel, of course, is at the center of world affairs, the main attraction of the international "circus" and whatever we do is . . . depending on what side of the fence you sit.

Iran is an Islamic Republic, and many other Islamic countries does it. Israel does not have to say IT IS A JEWISH STATE everybody knows it,this is the ONLY country in this World that encourage a distinct RELIGIOUS(Jews) group to do ALIYAH to Israel. Is a Christian, or an ARAB can do Aliyah?Of course not.

I don?t have a record of Palestinians converting to Judaism. If that is true then I would be interested to learn about it. Those who argue that Jews should pack their belongings and leave the country shouldn?t be surprised to hear the counter argument that Jews lived in Israel for thousands of years. There are strong historical and archeological evidence to prove that.

I think Israel sees this now too, and despite his family and political connections, Ayalon will be quietly sidetracked and made ambassador to Botswana or something else relatively harmless.

He should get an honorary doctorate in Stupidity

When Ayalon talks of territorial contiguity, then what's his magic solution for one contiguous Palestinian state, with a land corridor between Gaza and the West Bank, as originally proposed in UNGAR181.

Not that it would fit the Arab Islamic nationalist ideology, but, after WWI the Greeks and the Turks fought for a while until they agreed to a population transfer. It was painful, but anybody hear about wars between Greeks and Turks lately? Oh yes, that little matter of Cyprus. Ah, but then the Turks did a little population transfer of their own that resulted in the Turkish Republic of Cyprus alongside the Republic of Cyprus that share Nicosia as their capital. Still, I am not sure that the Arabs are as "reasonable" as the Turks. Maybe cuz' they refuse to admit they conquered the territory a long time ago in contrast to the Turks who realize the land really belongs to the people who lived there, regardless of how the Turks and/or Moslems who learned to "love their land". Oh yes, I recall the Bulgarians expelled a "few Turks" in the mid '80s". Who cried about that?

Israel's so called Foreign Ministry is full of second rate, kite flying chancers, who wouldn't recognize a cohesive foreign policy if it bit them on the ass. In terms of International Politics and national behaviour, Israel aligns itself with banana republics.

A population transfer was always one of Israels plans from as far back as the original oslo agreement. No Israeli government was going to let an opportunity to get rid of a large chunk of the countries arab population pass by. There are only 3 political groups against it 1) The arab parties 2) The far left -- Yossi Belin, Yuli Tamir etc 3) The nationalists who are against giving away anything. Other than that the vast majority of the political institution would be in favor of any scheme that involved shrinking the countries arab population. The vast majority of Israels jewish population wants to get rid of the arabs so the number of objectors outside of those three groups would be minimal. Get Obama, the palestinians & the arabs in Israel right now used to the fact this is demand the government will make. Jordan has been stripping citizenship from palestinian citizens because they want to stop the Jordan paletinian state idea and nobody says anything so why not Israel?

These postings tell us the same old story: Israel never intends to give any land, water, air space, etc. back. It hopes that the world will soon forget all, and it can keep what it has taken and occupies illegally. It hopes that gradually it will strangle, trade or otherwise cleanse the remaining Pals like "vermin" and retreat into a Zionist cocoon all safe and sound. The longer it obfuscates, as such as Ayalon continue to do, the more impatient the world becomes. Green Line is the bottom line. Get used to it firsters.

Change all pals, and arabs, to Jordan.

Why would the Israeli Arabs live, they don't pay tax don't serve their country. They have freedom of speech. Sucking benefit. Just like here on Switzerland. Never integrate.

Really ?? Am not aware of this. A far as I know, we went to war against Iraq and are still at it. And THIS is the deputy foreign minister ?? Seat himj on low stool until his head clears up ! David

Here is one of the studies. There are at least three more that have the same conclusion. http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~duraid/stolen_science/The_Origin_of_Palestinians_and_Their_Genetic_Relatedness_With_Other_Mediterranean_Populations.pdf It would be nice if Haaretz would have a report on this. I think that it is worth while. By the way, the group that performed the study is from Spain, neither arab nor jewish.

#61 A) source for your figures.. thx, much appreciated. B)Temporary citizenship for refugees. C)Results 1 - 10 of about 1,530,000 for criticized jordan stripping citizenship #62 "Israel`s actual Sovereign territories" Indeed :// Provisional Government of Israel May 15, 1948 "..the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law." // http://tinyurl.com/yjgh5lj

No. 69. Are you delusional? "Arabs came here 100 years ago to work in Jewish farms". Genetic studies show that palestinians are the original inhabitant of the land of biblical palestine. They converted to Juadism first and then the majority converted to christianity soon after Jesus' birth. After the arab arrived in the sixth century, many of the christain palestinians converted to Islam. Genetic studies show that eastern jews and palestinians have identical DNA polymorphism. THAT IS, THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE, (at least as far as genetic origin goes)

issues. Political parties can change, they are elected by only a part of the people. Representation in matters of statehood is done by a body that represents all the people. (See East Timor or the Jewish People's Council '48) "Abbas wont talk." He's not there representing Fatah in negotiations over statehood "Who would want to live under either `leadership"?" In Statehood, they wouldn't be, they'd be represented by a provisional Government until elections for a State Government under the State system of Government. See the founding of Israel as a good example.

But they don't. Their goal is to destroy Israel. Ayalon is not talking about "expelling" people but about moving the border. The people in these Arab villages will live in the "Palestine" they already have allegiances to.

"I am not saying that Israel wants to get rid of Israeli Arabs, but we know from experience that countries are divided based on demographic lines" I am not saying Ayalon is a racist, but we now from experience that proposals like this mostly come from people that end up in war tribunals.

"what nation?" Was East Timor a 'nation'? Indonesia was forced to withdraw! Non-state entities can have territory. During the British Mandate over Palestine (not British owned, but protected by the British), Palestine had territory. What remains now that Jordan and Israel have been carved off is NOT Israel, NOT Jordanian, but Palestinian. Israel defined it's actual boundaries. It has never legally annexed any territory. What lies outside of Israel's actual Sovereign territories is NOT just up for grabs. Education is quite helpful in understanding the true nature of the situation. Here, try some..http://wp.me/pDB7k-il

... like a sort of 'nature-reserve' (=shmurat-teva), that folk can visit at weekends, and show their kids what genuine Israeli-Pals look like, a near extinct species... preserved only because the Pope once visited there and delivered direct blessings upon them...

with wisely reasoning people on both sides, this article shows, that solutions are possible.

I don?t see that happening in the US. In the US the Native Americans lived longer than the new Americans. In Israel the Jews were there for 3000 years and the Arabs arrived the last 100 years to find jobs at Jewish farms

axel , take off the blinkers, travel the wolrd and youll actually write a post that makes sense!!

Begin used the peace treaty with Egypt to start building the illeagal settlements on a massive scale. Even though their was a clause in camp david for self autonomy for the Pals, Beging ignored it because he knew a treaty with the largest and most powerful Arab country [Egypt] would allow him to build the illeagal settlements

"Jordan stripped couple of millions of Arabs of their citizenship" ... after no Jordanian rule over them had been exercised for about two decades!

The idea itself is not outlandish, but certain provisions have to be made for the Arab Israelis, so as not to deprive them of their rights. 1. They would be able to keep their citizenship (just like Israelis who move overseas keep their citizenship). 2.As citizens they would be allowed to cross the border to utilize health care providers which will be better in Israel than in Palestine. 3. The rights of their children to Israeli citizenship is something that has to be considered. Since the PLO is not really that interested in a two state solution, they will not agree to anything that doesn't force them (the PLO) into agreement and thus, they will use the complaints of the Arab Israeli citizens to justify not reaching a two state solution.

"Israel`s actual Sovereign territories"

The "international community" accepted it.

http://www.undemocracy.com/A-RES-181(II).pdf It's the only document that defines the legitimate borders of Israel today, so let's hope we see the deputy FM agree to a populations transfer to those...

but who do not identify with the State of Israel, who do not support the State of Israel, and who call themselves Palestnians should noe be surprised that DEputy FM Ayalon suggests that they, together with their towns and vilages, be trafes for Jewish towns and villages in the West Bank. Arabs living in Israel who DO identify with the State of Israel should continue to have full Israeli citizenshp rights, and deserve equality with other Israelis.

Here's one... and it's still valid. http://www.undemocracy.com/A-RES-181(II).pdf

"countries are divided based on demographic lines, and a good example of that is the former Soviet Union" No member of the former Soviet Union is ethnically uniform. Estonia for example has a 25% minority of Russians. Belarus has 11% Russians and 4% Poles.

A person is a human being. A person is not the same person as his ancestors. Nor is a person the same as some other person who happens to believe that earth was created exactly in the same way that the first person thinks.

The guy doesn't think at all. How do you expel your own citizens? One of the mistakes of the War of Independance was to leave such a large Arab population within Israel. It cannot be undone now.

without the consent of the concerned individuals. Arabs with Israeli citizenship are not bound to a specific place of residence. Stripping people of their citizenship in order to expel them is a human rights violation. Israel won't get away with it.

Truly sickening to hear this so-called Israeli leader abdicate everything that makes a Jew Jewish. Instead of being proud to have an Arab population as Israeli citizens, he would send them away. Lebensraum for Settlement Jews. The idea of giving Palestinian land--rightfully theirs anyway-- to Israeli Arabs--as if they are Palestinians--Israelis who are to be exiled from Israel-- is a concept rotten to its core, utterly antithetical to the Torah's commandment to treat non-Hebrews living among us and with us, as neighbors equal under any law governing our lives.

why give pals anything. they choose the path of jihad and it has failed them. Would the arabs be giving jews choice if they won the war ? such hypocrites arabs are

Only a viable, peaceful palestinian state, the two states solution (greater settlement blocks could be kept trough territory swaps), would bring peace. That will help isolate the very extremists who use this conflict to initiate violence.

Amazing... completely against the basic tenets of Judaism. BTW there is no Demographic threat in Israel's actual Sovereign territories. There is only a demographic threat in the territories Israel has illegally acquired. (which ain't in Israel!!!) http://wp.me/pDB7k-jS

"Oh yes, sanctions "worked" on Iraq! About half a million children died as a direct result. Is that what Israel wants for Iran?" Israel certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

I too think this guy is outrageous. However, just by a statistical fluctuation kind of thing he might have a good idea from time to time. The idea to keep part of the Palestinian population exactly where they are, but to transfer control to the future Government of Palestine is OK with me, PROVIDED the Palestinians have a choice and can vote on it.

The Deputy Foreign ministry of the State of Israel has no understanding whatsoever of concepts of citizenship. Are the duo Lieberman and Ayalon and all the Israeli politicians who do not understand that in 21st century defining citizenship along racial/religious lines is acceptable only in semi-feudal Muslim countries the true face of Israel?

Let Israel withdraw to the 1967 borders. No swap or land exchange needed.

Israeli propaganda isn t free speech

ivar when did they undo the straitjacket for you to type ? what stolen land ? jordan from the mandate ??

along with raging lunatics screaming occupation. Utter nonsense, albeit popular with the anti-Israel crowd and their supporters (including decent people who misunderstand this conflict and the players).

Ayalon prepares his nation for more peace process hell with no peace in return. It is time for Israel to say NO even if it means dropping US aid. Somethings are even more important than money, namely survival.

borders have to be defined anyway. ayalon is not speaking about moving people from one to another place but just talking about borders... and each border will be called on one site palastine and the other site israel. when the triangle falls in palastine as automaticly the arab and jews will be palastines. when parts fall in israel the arab and jews will be israelis. so nobody moves, but a border has to be made anyway. after all the idea of the border is creating a possibilty to live in peace with each other so the border can be opened. this is a very constructive idea from ayalon.

and by the way even if Israel does that there will be no peace. Fool me 20 times, shame on you!

I hope you are an Israeli citizen and at the same time not an ex-pat. You speak wonderful sense. It is people like you who need to lead the apathetic Israelis who think like you but do not have the will to make themselves heard (and I don't mean just on an internet blog). Likewise another frequent poster, Esther from TA.

However it is about time for Israel to wake up and to show sincere desire to end it's unjust and illegal occupation to prevent further loss of innocent lives on both side.

Peace is quite simple in ME. Israel just move out of occupied, stolen land. If Israel leaves the Golan heights, it will be peace with Syria, as it was peace between Egypt and Israel, when the stolen land was returned. The map is clear, everybody, except some fanatic, accept the 67 border. There might be some minor swaps but the claim is clear and accepted by the International Court. Why is this so difficult to understand or accept?

What a Chutzpah, swapping stolen land for another stolen land you did not own to begin with, why not return the Jews the Zionist lured back to Morocco , Egypt and Iraq and bring the Palestinians home owners , after all they still hold the keys to their homes

the fool who wrote that politicans have a habbit of standing when making a staements in the UK. This was not a politican this was a person who was cursing and yelling at the deputy FM and stated slaughter the Jews big difference.I agree with ayolan it should be looked at further why not other areas in countries have it set up that way to keep the intergrity of both nations i would agree . bye the way it troubling to see as many haters of jews on an israeli web site news service making anti israeli and jewish statements in here thank g-d you don;t speak hebrew on don't see you in there.

... as quickly as Aluf Benn's did... ... lefty 'bleeding-hearts' promise to be more circumspect...

In 1938 the Germans won Western acceptance of the ethnic Germans' "right to national self-identification" in the Sudetenland, and the Czechoslovak state lost this territory until the end of World War II. In 1945 the Sudetens were expelled from their homes--ALL of them--with not a lot of tears shed on their behalf for their pro-Hitler sympathis and actions. Many Israeli Arab politicians, not to mention the loudmouth leaders of the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement, spout treason on a daily basis to the State of Israel. Residents of Umm el Fahm should consider themselves lucky if they become citizens of an Arab Palestine with which they so identify without moving an inch from their homes. Israel is the Jewish National Home.

the pals can't decide who speaks for them. Hamas, terrorist # 1 or Fatah, terrorist # 2. they each should show up for their own funerals. Neither one contributes to any pals welfare or future. Abbas wont talk,( unless it's the media) and Hamas can't stop talking. ( threatening). Who would want to live under either 'leadership"? This charade is the life blood of this 'movement.' Their financial backing seems more profitable than the peace the pals should be seeking with Israel who's in command.

"He added, however, that the swap would not include cities such as Nazareth." Naturally, Nazareth is far too valuable and lucrative a tourist site to be entrusted into Pal hands...

that we the Public are never told the truth about anything. Israel survives on false information and I will survive, more healthily not taking anything that's written here seriously.

No one will be taking the Israeli Arabs' homes or lands or kick them out of their homes. Have you read the article at all?! the proposal is to give Israeli territory which is occupied mainely by Arab Israelis to the future Palestinian state. These people will stay exactly where they are only instead of belonging to a state they say they don't identify with, they'll be citizens of the future Palestinian state. From their point of view - what could be better, since they have always said they are first and foremost Palestinians. or maybe suddenly Israel has an advantage or two compared to a state of their brothers and sisters?

... interesting to know how PM feels about this domestic policy rampage...

The arabs of Israel should be asked if they wish to move to Palestine when it is liberated.In my opinion Danny Ayalon is being racist again,Iam sure if arab israelis wanted to be palestinians they would not need any help from Mr Ayalon.No wonder this man is heckled anywhere their is an oppertunity

MP Tibi is absolutely right: who arrived last should leave first, which would imply that all arabs leave as the Jews where in Israel a couple of thousand years earlier.

http://www.undemocracy.com/A-RES-181(II).pdf

Dear Editor: Only D.Ayalon was very discipline,active, patriotic, and emotional during Turkey attacks from state TV and PM R.Erdogan against selected jewish people, self-defence army and Israel. Top leaders of Israel refused to commit one-self by expressing an opinion. Jewish strategic leaders won 1967 war for peace of future geration. No any small piece of land to give up back to potential agressors. Please do not make Gaza mistake again. D.Ayalon has to remember history. Nothing-back. Sincerely, Vladimir

Israeli Arabs are Israeli citizens. Your 'trading fantasies' is just another attempt at legal expulsion, Mr Ayalon. But clever. Demanding that people 'accept' your right to define yourself as a jewish state is similiar to demanding segregation as a viable and moral political policy; jewish by blood! Beyond comprehension, the ongoing pretense that the state of Israel does not exist. Mr Ayalon, the State of Israel does exists, Sir, since 1948, and it's not going any where. Enough of the distraction, the racist fantasies: the problem is the same: the occupation, colonialisation, subjucation and humiliation of others. It's up to Israel to finally accept and be satisfied with their state, and cease coveting the properties and livihoods of others. Please end the occupation.

In the Old Testament, Moses made it a sin to move boundary markers. In the 20th century 90% of today's citizens of Israel immigrated into the land of Palestine, and set up housekeeping largely disregarding their Palestinian neighbours, in the land since time immemorial. Palestinians have announced their willingness to accept the West Bank and Gaza, 23% of their Palestinian land, and relinquish 77% of their total to their new Jewish neighbours. The Arab League Peace Plan of 2002 guaranteed it. And Ayalon proposes that the stolen land of the West Bank, the settlements, are no obstacle to peace?

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Ayalon is given to exaggeration and outright lies. What reasonable person would take him seriously? Settlements in the West Bank are the major impediment to any final status peace agreement, plain and simple. And he knows it. Iran is NOT a threat "to the world", but prepared for any eventuality from Israeli aggression in the region. Oh yes, sanctions "worked" on Iraq! About half a million children died as a direct result. Is that what Israel wants for Iran?

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Ayalon is given to exaggeration and outright lies. What reasonable person would take him seriously? Settlements in the West Bank are the major impediment to any final status peace agreement, plain and simple. And he knows it. Iran is NOT a threat "to the world", but prepared for any eventuality from Israeli aggression in the region. Oh yes, sanctions "worked" on Iraq! About half a million children died as a direct result. Is that what Israel wants for Iran?

the saudis have been funding all manner of incitement not only against israel, but also against the christian west.

... particularly that bit about Israeli Arabs helping the unborn State of Palestine...

is desperately trying to spin his way out of the now infamous naughty chair incident. Where he was foced to apologise to the Turkish Ambassador not once but twice and has beeen a laughing stock ever since. The desperate use of a heckling incident by Ayalon (a tradition in the UK when a politician stands up to speak, don't like it don't come). To the extent that he is misrepresenting what the individual said, and the power he has to ensure a prosecution underscores this. Here is a report of the incident. http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/27084/oxford-student-i-didnt-mean-kill-jews As the incident on video we will see who is lying.

"He added that if the Palestinians want Israel to accept their self-determination, they must accept Israel's right to define itself as a Jewish state." If that is the case than i would like to see a law that says that Jews are only allowed to live in Israel and deport them all from America.

actually, the guy shouting was in oxford. i was there.

that settlements are not an obstacle to peace!Just like eating the pizza while negotiating on how to split it is not an obstacle to an agreement??

please explain, why israel will not accept a nuclear iran and why the world must accept a nuclear israel. israel is responsible for several wars in the past, contrary to iran, which has never attacked the neighbors during the recent past.

How long have Jewish movie producers and directors, as well as Israeli production houses like Golan Globus been vilinizing arabs in the movies portraying them all as evil terrorists just to embed it in peoples minds? Please spare me your victim story. Suck it up buttercup. The incitement is the result of your own actions. The world told you via the UN to pull back to the 67 lines and you refused. Stop playing everyone for idiots. End the occupation and take your settlements, settlers, Jews only roads and walls with you.

What is attacking Israel is the occupation, it eats the state from inside. The occupation is the reason why Israel's image has drowned worlwide over the last decade. No citizen in the West understands why Israel is occupying Palestinian land. Peace can only come if the interest of a few, extremist settlers are forsaken in the interest of the majority of Israelis who live in Israel. Negotiating will allow Israel to keep the big neighborhood settlements anyway, so why postpone peace for a few outposts?

what nation?

Surely if settlements aren't an obstacle to peace, then suicide bombers and rockets aren't? What a load. Already he's paving the way for transferring Israeli Arabs from Israel into Palestinian bantustans with his talk about demographic splits and a Jewish state.

If governments are supposed to be held responsible for every action of their citizens there's going to be a bit of a problem agreeing to any kind of peace deal. Someone who reaches a position such as deputy FM can't possibly be stupid enough to actually think that some guy yelling something at him is the same thing as the Palestinian government attacking him. I'm sure Danny Ayalon doesn't want to be held responsible for every stupid thing said or done by an Israelite, he's got enough trouble handling his own mistakes.

A peaceful protest against Israeli government policies with nothing in it against the Jewish people.

A Sovereign or non-sovereign state is considered ?recognized? when the majority of the International Community of States grants recognition. Recognition of statehood is not mandatory. // ..in the view of the United States, International Law does not require a state to recognize another state; it is a matter for the judgment of each state whether an entity merits recognition as a state. In reaching this judgment, the United States has traditionally looked for the establishment of certain facts. The United States has also taken into account whether the entity in question has attracted the recognition of the International community of states.// http://tinyurl.com/y8ewves/sovereignty-state-non-state-entity/#staterecognition Israel is being run by folk who're ignorant of the law and who purposefully place un-necessary obstacles in the way, there will never be peace

You are far too late (200 years?), you won't get through with this.

I'm sure the Palestinians are glad to hear that Ayalon is willing to transfer all the settlements to Palestine. Hope he's willing to include all the water and other resources too. I thought for a minute that he was going to say that Israel was going to keep the settlements and that Palestine could exist only as Swiss cheese cantons with Israeli troops controlling their borders and population movements forever. Maybe he could start by transferring a few Billion NIS as a down payment on the back rent due.

Oh for heaven's sake Ayalon top whining. Right-wing Israelis like you spend half their lives inciting against the Palestinians, trying to destroy their hoeps of statehood and generally oppress them. At least do it like a man, not a little cry baby who goes running to the press the moment the Pals have the temerity to play you at your own game.

Of course they are. A) They're illegal! B) They're built in territory illegally acquired by war & never legally annexed by Israel!