At least 37 fatalities as London rocked by series of blasts

Veronika, let's agree, that the disputes between the westies and the osties can only be resolved by those who are in the middle, be haAretz. As long as either westies or the osties can't see that they seem to be confined to be punching each other below the belt line. Also as long as we, mihaAretz, who are completely in the mentality or way of life of either the westies or the osties, we are unsuited to be the judges between the east and the west, so we get the punches from both.

because the great democratic powers did not react when the terrorists started to engage in terror, this became possible. The arab countries should have been made aware that if they will finance and help terror they will be bombed out of existence. Now it is to late.

Hilary's post which mentioned the variety of voices which goes to make up any culture was surely written by a dewy eyed thirteen year old girl who has just come home from school. "This is what teacher said so it must be right". Variety of voices in the Muslim community?? Complexity and variety of human culture?? My ears hear not a single whisper of pity for Israel's victims of terror in the entire Muslim commnity of London. However I do admit there is always great concern amongst Londons Muslim leaders to diminish the reaction against their congregation's acts of violence. Hillary's posting is a prime example of political correct naivity at it's best

By the way, where is this strange Katarian (?) journalist, that usually has nothing to do except to dispute in talk-backs. Normally he just lives in this dialogue windows. But where is he now? Isn't he a coward that doesn't know what to do? Of course, he tries to show himself just, moderate, tolerant etc. etc. muslim. To the "western" readers. And this situation creates a problem to him. He cannot openly support the terorist, because it would be the revelation about his true face for the Westies. But he also cannot protest against the terorists, because it is not his image in the Arabic world, among the Osties. And what do we see? A usually I'll-better-die-than-keep-silent hides somewhere, because so many of his beautiful words have turned into sh...t today. And his behaviour is very typical. There are so many so called islamic "thinkers", or "moderate", or "liberal" etc. (in Europe, at least), who behave today in the same way. Too ready to talk, when it costs nothing, when you can critisize Israel in the web-site of Haaretz (what a brave heart!). And too coward to say what do they really think, when it becomes really hot. Disgusting!

It appears you've misinterpreted what was posted, and appears that you're letting - as we all do - emotional (i.e., irrational) reactions take hold of our logical faculties. SH wasn't doing anything but what she claimed: making a mere objective observation. (Maybe the people were celebrating a birthday, who knows.)

just a little history lesson.39-45,hitler tries to dstroy the jewish nation and fails.48 the arabs try to destroy us and with a little israeli ARROGANCE the arabs fail.56 they try again and with a little israeli ARROGANCE they fail.1967,1973,and so on.SO JONES LOOK WHERE A LITTLE ISRAELI ARROGANCE GETS YOU.SO ON BEHALF OF THE ISRAELI NATION I APPOLOGISE FOR THE ARROGANCE ,BUT LOOK WHAT IT CAN ACHIEVE

Poor Europeans in thier hatred toward the US and especially toward Israel they still do not understand what it is all about. Naive Germans feel themselves safe: they are not in Iraq! Madrid and London are parts of the EU? Who cares? Germany is not in Iraq! Naive idiots! They still believe Bin Laden is interested in Iraq! It's terrible, but when it will come, to France, to Germany, to any other EU country, the Europeans will be very surprised. Again. Just like people in London: "How could it happened? We love our muslims, we are so tolerant, we even hate Jews, we do everything to please the moslem world! What has happened today, was impossible!" Remember the bus blown up in Israel, that Israeli activists had brought to Haag to protest against the "Fence-trial"? This bus in London is such a sad and extremely expressive symbol of the poor stupid Europe.

What really happened in London? No sooner than the British capital was rocked by horrific bomb blasts, the BBC came out with headlines like "London Rocked by Terror Attacks" and questions like "Did you witness the terrorist attacks?" and statements like "Police suspects terrorists behind the attack". This may seem quite unremarkable, if not for the remarkable use of the word "terrorist" that seems to apply in Britain but not elsewhere. For example, in a perfect show of double standard, here is the BBC 'timeline' of very similar bombings in Israel of attacks against Israel, which nowhere refers by name to terror, terrorism or terrorists. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1197051.stm). Interestingly enough, the BBC 'edtorial guidelines' (applicable only in certain parts of the world so it seems) say this: "The word "terrorist" itself can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding. We should try to avoid the term, without attribution. We should let other people characterise while we report the facts as we know them." So, what really happened in London?

I just was about to write something of this kind to this antisemitic m... f...er. Thank you, David.

What stupid audacity to say such things! 40 innocent people were killed, and 300, also free of blame for anything, were wounded, many in unspeakable pain. None of all 340 had anything whatsoever to do with Israel. What the writer of that letter is saying amounts to, "Just say that you couldn't help yourself because you had Israel on your mind, and then anything is all right." In other words you can shape morality to your pleasure. How about if I go kill some unoffending man and say, "I couldn't help it. the Arabs made me so mad I had to do it." Among sensible people with any grasp of morality that kind of defense wouldn't fly. That writer is so debased he should seek help to become a normal, moral person.

I've never heard such load of bullocks before! This is the fault of religious islamic extremism, not Israel.

to smith, it is attitudes and rabbish thinking like yours that make today's events seem pittyfull, if not justified.... it is your arrogance ,and naive ,that brought you such a doom 's day event. and i have a feeling ,that unless you start standing up to these bastards, you're gonna face this situation again. israel has nothing to do with moslems hating your guts... it's pure old fashioned excuse for impotence....

Diego asked "How can you judge an entire religion for the acts of fanatics?" I would concede that you can't judge an entire religion by the actions of fanatics, but you CAN judge an entire religion by their REACTION towards their extremists. Where are the real protests in the Islamic world to their fanatic brethren. I'm not talking about verbal condemnations by leaders - but rather collectives of Muslims rallying and saying clearly "This is wrong!" and actually DOING SOMETHING about it. I don't see it and THIS you can judge a religion for.

I feel ashamed that another Londoner should spread such simplistic, selectively unrepresentative, and negatively stereotypical images of muslim jubilation at terrorist attacks. Incitement of racial hatred is a crime in Britain and such comments are calculated to provoke such responses. I would like to read on here other reports about or from the Muslim community giving a more balanced picture of the variety of voices that goes to make up any culture - whether it be Muslim, Jewish, Christian etc. People who refer to any religion such negatively simplistic collective terms lack the ability or mental capacity to appreciate the complexity and variety of our human cultures.

throuout recent history it becomes more and more evident ,that there's a real war going on. it is between the free progressive west ,and the decrepit ,backwards societies of islam. only a radical ,desicive actions ,to reduce the mass immigrations of moslems ,and a real blow to their respective economies9 nationalzing all the oilfeilds in arabia ,just like kissenger proposed during the '73 embargo), will diminsh isalmic terrorism.

Will Al Kaida get what it wants? A carefully worked out strategy by that (small time) "grandmaster" of chess Bin Laden has laid out a plan to destroy nations economies and provoke massive responses from those he has chosen to attack. He has worked out in his tiny mind, we are doomed if we respond and we are doomed if we don't. IE its heads you lose, tails we win. As far as dear old England is concerned There are so many Moslems here that any meaningful response is impossible. We have a wonderful tradition of laisser- faire and left wing politicians such as Ken Livingstone to thank for awful situation we are in. Next stop for the no 88 bus from London Bridge, blow me down if its not Mecca. ALL CHANGE!!

Jones , you are just a big and large ass hole

OK JONES .THIS I WAS WAITING FOR .TELL WHAT ELSE IS THE FAULT OF THE JEWS?I SUPPOSE IF YOUR HONOUR!!(FEH!!)BOUGHT A PORK SANDWICH AND YOU GOT A BELLYACHE .ITS THE FAULT OF THE JEWS.JONES REMEMBER HITLER?WELL SO DO THE JEWS?AND AS YOU AND YOUR ILK HAVE REALISED THE JEWS KNOW HOW TO DEFEND THEMSELVES .NEITHER YOU OR ANY OTHER JEWHATER CAN DENY THAT.SO YOU JUST GO AWAY AND STEW IN YOUR HATRED AND LEAVE THE WONDERFUL ISRAELI NATION ALONE.

i stood outside edgeware rd undergound station this morning and witnessed scenes that no human should witness. this world does not need terrorists, willing to end life in this manner. they have no respect for christians, muslims, hindus, jews, seiks, buddists; black or white.

7# - Blaming others will not help you when the time comes...

How do we rationalize the irational. The sad simple fact is rationality is a whore it will and damn near anything can be rationalized. Take a look at anti-judaism and the sudo science of the later 19th centry "Race Science" and how it quickend anti-judaism and renamed it anti-Semitism. How does this posting say anything about london? Simply this so long as you have anyone person who feels that he/she has a reason to A,B,C.... then he/she will react in such a way as to effect change, or with most terror attacks lash out at those they feel are to blame. Question then becomes, how do we respond? after all even Stalin could not keep out all decension in the FSU. Ones religion is a choice that is not necessarly at fault for these acts, a caveat here is that one way to rationalize the irrational is through the supposed words of g-d. I wish that i could answer the ultimate question, how to fight terror. The reality is that it is far too dynamic. Like rats we cant kick those we suspect of terror out of our countries. Like a Hydra we can not kill all that we fear, for each down an unknown number raises up. I would hazord a guess that there is no rational answer to terrorizm.

Why are the same people "militants" when they murder in Israel, "insurgents" when they murder in Iraq and "terrorists" when they murder in London?

IT IS TIME THE BRITISH MUSLIM LEADERS STOP BEING TWO FACED .ON THE ONE HAND THEY CONDEMN ,BUT IN THEIR MOSQES THEY SLAG OFF THE WEST AND THE JEWS ,AMERICANS,CHRISTIANS AND WHOEVER IS NOT A MUSLIM .BRITISH MUSLIMS;DON"T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.

Israel and its arrogance has been the source of all the world's problems and instability; we are paying the price for Israeli racist and colonial war in the middle east!!!!

The U.K. has a long history of being attacked by terrorists, Don't forget until fairly recently the biggest problem was the IRA. And like them we will defeat these terrorists in the long term by political means, yes we need to be security conscious but we do NOT need knee-jerk reactions that will play into the hands of the terrorists and hand to them the victory over our way of life that they are seeking to achieve.

How can you judge an entire religion for the acts of fanatics?

Time and time again, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw denounced Israel?s policy of targeted killings as ??unlawful, unjustified and counterproductive.?? To stay faithful to that ideal, Britain should not target any terrorist but rather appease.

As a veteran eastender I have lived for several years amongst an almost exclusively Muslim population of Bangladeshis in the London area of Tower Hamlets. After 9/11 I saw groups of Bangladeshi youth spontaneously rejoicing, letting off fireworks and playing loud dance music and laughing raucously. Today, I visisted hang-out areas and saw scenes of jubilation. Although these Muslim youth are growing up in London they don't feel much for the UK, they grow up with so much hatred against the English Christians in their heart. They are constantly being told by their imams that the UK is immoral, evil, anti-muslim, racist and that it is their Islamic duty to fight the Christians in the spirit of Jihad. Just my narrow insight.

Today is indeed a sad day but it may wake up the British authorities to the many fundamentalist radical islamic groups openly operating out of london. those such as al-muhajiroun ought be banned. definition: "a hard-line extremist Islamic group in Great Britain who support bin Laden and other terrorist groups"

Jules, wouldn't it be nice to see the moderate Muslim community come out "en mass" in an organized peaceful protest against the terror that their extremists bretherin are perpetrating on the world? I hope I live to see the day! What just occurred in London is appalling and a cowardly act of mass murder.

These Muslim Jihadist terrorists with their hateful, murderous tactics, cannot expect to: "Win the hearts and minds" of the World or create admiration for, or converts to, or amply condone their unknown(?) fanatical, erratic reasons... may have just put the nail in their causes' coffin. Because time and time again, their heinous actions: Murdering of innocent civilians, in countries that allow them to practice their religion and afford them "civilized" opportunities, should by now cause some sort of worldwide indignation and backlash, that says to them: You will never succeed...we (the world) see that your intentions are to create disharmony in the world, NOT harmony; and your inherent bloodthirsty methods are in direct opposition to what the world would justify or condone...And shows that you are Universal OUTLAWS! And you will fail miserably in your attempted goals, to the detriment of your fellow Muslims. STOP now, it is useless to continue in this manner! You are creating dislike, and mistrust for your Muslim religion and brothers. This is no way to carry your Muslim bretheren forward.

These bombings cannot be simplistically blamed on Allah,as that is far from the case. However Muslims worldwide must be prepared to unearth the perpetrators of these horrors who do so falsely in the name of Allah.

HOPEFULLY THE GOVERNMENT OF BRITAIN STICKS TO ITS FOREIGN POLICIES AND CONTINUES ITS SUPPORT IN THE FIGHT AGAINST TERROR.

These attacks occur because the world is expedient towards the Moslem World. Many Moslem immigrants leave their countries of origin for pastures anew in the West. They bring their baggage of frustration with them. Many fail to "make it" in the West and vent their frustrations on their adopted countries. Israel had been suffering from terrorist attacks for many years whether it is suicide bombings of innocent people, strategically placed homemade pipe bombs and so on. The reaction of the West while condemning these vile acts of terror against innocent people had also been apologetic towards the "poor frustrated Palestinians" under Israeli occupation. They all tried to find a psychological reason for suicide attacks and perhaps justify these attacks in a back handed way, blaming the "occupation" and its ramifications. They never realized that this attitude would boomerang onto them as well. Many of countries who had been easy on Moslem immigration en masse are now reaping the fruits of their tolerance, as many mosques had become havens for terrorist activity. No country is immune from Islamist terror today. The West in its hunger for oil and fear of the oil weapon being used against them had a laisez faire immigration policy toward Arab immigration. Can a "valid psychological reason" be found for these cruel attacks that occurred in London?

I offer my sincere condolences for the victims of this purely evil attack. Let us bring the ruthless perpetrators to justice, root out terrorism in all its forms and seek to make future generations aware of how dangerous religious fundamentalism, particularly islamic fundamentalism is. Let us pray that the murderers responsible for this and the countless other jihadi terrorist acts are caught and punished.

Another Islamic terror attack! When will the fanatics of the "religion of peace" ever stop their terror? Yet they accuse Christians and Jews of being "crusaders". Look who is doing all the terror in the world-Muslims. Name the places: Israel, India, Great Britian, pretty much all over the world it seems. That list goes on and on.... All in the name of their false idol Allah, the moon god.