Archeologist: King Herod's tomb desecrated, but discovery 'high point'

AD was used in the Julian and Georgian calendars beginning in 525 AD but not in usage in Western Europe until 8th century (the 700's) and still becoming more common between the 11th and 14th centuries. Portugal was the last country to adapt the system in 1422 AD. Prior to 525 AD, years were measured by the period of time in which a sovereign ruled - a system which was entirely regionalized (their king ain't MY king, so we have different calendars!) In Spain, it might be the "3rd year of Queen Isabella's reign," while at the same moment in England, it was it might be "14th year of Henry II's reign." Is that why people said, "Ok King, live forever!?" just so they wouldn't get confused over what point in time they lived?

I believe I am a direct decedent of King Herod. Part of my ancestral Tomb was recently uncovered in Herodium. My Grandfather was Wiiliam Homer Hearod Jr. son of William Homer Hearod Sr.. Due to a long Family dispute the name was changed from Herod to Hearod. Blame Christianity for this. I Believe my Family and it?s descendents have a stake in the Herod discovery. Please respond to this e-mail , as I am consulting a DNA Authority to perform DNA testing on any potential DNA that can be recovered from the tomb and it?s contents to members of my family.

b.c.e.- before the common era, and c.e.- common era.

The find of Herods tomb has significance in history. He not only had this but the Masada and is also linked to the Jewish temple. Hopefully they can find some information if it there regarding the precise location of the Temple Mount. Currently I am zeroing in on its exact location. Keep in mind the outside walls of the mount were left intact, and the writings of Josephus is proving correct that the temple itself was totally destroyed even its foundations uprooted leaving no trace of its existence. Now with our technology today, it is definitely on the southern part of the mount and the key is finding the ghiron waters which is on the bottom of the southeastern corner of the temple mount walls. Also the Muslims and or Moslems and or Islamics have no business being on this mount in the first place. It purely does belong to the Jewish people period. The temple itself is right under the current Mosque on the southern part and the fortress was also on the mount but north.

Actually if you trace Jesus lineage through his mother Mary, then you will see that he comes fromthe priestly line of david. It is a priestly line by label, and a royal line by blood lineage (being from the house of David). Many of the things you wrote toward the end ar true for the most part, but Jesus also fulfilled the scriptures written Him. When God does something, He does it right -- right from beginning to end.

the reason that jesus is not mentioned in this article is because he is irrelevent as far as facts on the ground are concerned.ther is,and never was any scientific,or archialogical proof that he ever existed. his name has never appeared in any of the texts written at that time,neither by josephius flavious or any other roman(or jewish) scribes of the time.even with all the texts of the dead sea scrolls jesus fails to get even the slightest mention.

hello, i have been recearching this bracelet , the new show on discovery channell the true story of noahs ark , noah was wearing an identical bracelet .i would like to send you pictures of the bracelet e mail thank you

it has been a long time coming

Have you ever considered the Native American claim that your country is occupying their land?

technically it is part of "palestine" it's 10 minutes from bethlehem in the occupied territories. on the top of the mount you can see all the illegal settlements which have been built since the capture in 1967. The Israeli flag flies high, but in any just peace accord this land must be given to a future palestinian state, with joint jewish and non jewish care for the site, which is so important to judaism.

you're an idiot. land belongs to land.

The current world population is 6,602,224,175. I am sure your 2 billion don't care what the other 4,602,224,175 of us think.

In the last 100 years, there have been countless discoveries, just recently the place where John the Baptist would annoint his followers, then the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Nag Hammadi Library, the gospel of Judas Iscariot. These are just some that I happen to be familiar with, unfortunately the public sometimes has to wait years afterwards to learn about the discovery.

Your God is so alive and already saved you with a sacrifice of the one who did not deceive, did not come to set up his kingdom but do you not see His kingdom was not of this world but the kingdom of heaven through your love of Him. Your creator/our creator walked with Adam in the garden as a Father who loves his son as recorded by your very own Moses the deliverer..he wants us to love Him with true love of the heart. I weep for the ones who's eyes will not see till they are fooled by the false messsiah. The true King has been here and He's coming back to save us from ourselves and to claim the ones who love Him. :)

17 The LORD your God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing."

Hey Paula, you are sooo right, it is that "still small voice", keep listening, praying, praising and rejoicing!! Must have been the same Censor here yesterday as at the article titled "To Fly Or Not To Flags". Two or three of my posts prior to the one regarding the advertisment were omitted.

proclaim He is the lord of lords...from the beginning in Genesis to the end of the book in Revelations...it was a roadmap of the Glory of God through His Son...all stories told in it was of Christs lineage and setting up of his First coming and the ending with His Second Coming and final judgement. The only thing is who is the lord of your life?? Who do you love? God is my first love! I have grown enough to know my forehead already has the mark of Christ on it...I will not bear the mark of the beast which will be coming sooner than you think..yeah! I cant wait!

I had that yard ornament for over a year and hadnt thought much about it but when I wasnt thinking it came to me through that quiet voice that I love you, I died for you and through my death the scars on my hand proves that your name is written in the Lambs Book of Life..you see you are written through the palms of my hands...so you see David...it was prophetic! Well that would be great but doesnt stop there...the next day I went to work and emailed my mentor and told her of the realization and she said it sounds like he came and sat down with you and spent time with you didnt he? and I almost lost it! that was what I prayed for!! do you think that is coincidence?? if you do then you are missing God...my Father knows me by name and He loves me...thank you the Great I am...I have seen many things like this ever since..you better believe because one day you will bend knee and proclaim Jesus is the Messiah and you will realize that both the OT and NT was nothing more than the

The truth and the truth has set me free! If you become a true Christian and love Christ with all your heart then you know without a doubt that your not blindly following a God that has no substance David...how can you tell me that the things that I have heard and seen are not real? You see God could be but not always in the earthquakes, wind, fire and anything else overwhelmingly powerful but in the small still quiet voice...for example, last fall I was upset and went out to my car to pray and I put on a cd by Celtic Woman with the song "You Raise Me Up" and I was praying for God to show himself...I wanted that big powerful showing and I looked around and up and down the road...I prayed that he comes and manifests himself and sit with me that I was so in need of the very presence of Him. IN my tears, I looked over and seen a yard ornament that looks like a rock and on it it had a verse from Isaiah that says that he has my name engraved on the palm of his hands...I was shocked...I had

he says, "I believe that the greatest evil in the world today is religion used for political ends. For the sake of life on this planet it must stop." I agree it is a great evil and to his follow-up sentence 100% Misusing the Word of God is in the 3rd commandment, before that is idolatry (putting anything or anyone before God) and before that, the first and greatest commandment, the greatest evil in all the world is putting other "Gods" before Him. Messiah said plainly, the Father is greater than I. Christ was certainly no accident. If His words were not the Words of the Father, who would even begin to supose they would still be so prevalent 2000 years later! Not to mention so life altering. One would have to be of divine thickness :) Anyone else catch that advertisement atop this talkback? Anyone read the book?

you cannot connect very well to the Spirit of God under the influence of the "spirits" in alcohol. I was young, early twenties, so I decided rather than chose one over the other, I would give each equal time. "To everything there is a season" right? A time to party and a time to stand before the throne of our Creator. And so I did. Partying I had no problem with. Standing before the throne of our Creator on the other hand posed a BIG problem. I could talk, talk, talk just fine. And when I was all talked out, having come to the conclusion that what I really needed to be doing was listening... Oh no, where do I begin?

There was a time in my life I saw clearly the effect my parents (one, a very zealous, religeous Lutheran, the other an alcoholic; as a result of the drowning death of their 23 month old child when I was just 8 months old) and childhood teachings (from them and others) had on me. I found myself with a Bible in one hand, a beer in the other and a blaring light shown through, the realization that, "Oh my God, I'm my parents!" I didn't want to be my parents. So my jouney began... Who am I?

"where faith replaced our doubts", no, where faith replaced reason. There's a prayer said long ago at Friday night services at a Hillel I attended years ago. The opening line was "Doubt is the handmaiden of truth". You'll notice that is the key difference between Judaism and the two more junior Western religions of Christianity and Islam. Blind faith, without doubt, consideration and reason, is the way to ignorance and excess. That you take the very self-contradictory text in the NT & OT and blindly choose to believe one interpretation of that text shows that doubt scares you. Faith and absolutism are what matters. That way lies jihad...

The King is coming

Our deliverer is standing by!!!!!!

Once we too were filled with doubt, with fears, with guilt and with shame to great to bear, for we were never meant to bear it. Feeling sure that if we admitted our guilt, justice would prepare our certain death. Longing to be right with our Heavenly Father, no matter the cost, we stood before Him laying all of our doubts, fears, guilt and shame at His feet. Our Father?s loving embrace was indescribable, purely divine. We were brought to new life, not even realizing we indeed had died, it was as in the twinkling of an eye. We were raised to new life, where faith replaced our doubts, Love replaced our fears, forgiveness and the ability to forgive replaced our guilt and gratitude and everlasting praise replaced our shame.

journal, which I'll share in my next post. In part for the sake of our friend Akram, as I sense he is being "called by His Name" [Word] Prayer has been laid upon my heart for him. Will you be my prayer partner in asking our Creator God to reveal Himself to our friend Akram Zekaria, that he may know Him and by knowing Him will know his own purpose in God's perfect plan. In Jesus Name, according to His Word - Amen

All we can do is give up our sins to the Messiah who came when this rotten king Herod was running crazy killing babies because he was afraid of the coming king..hmmm...wonder why? Anyway, keep God first...seek Him always...grow in the Spirit and you will be there to watch it all unfold when the Jews realize that Jesus was their Messiah because we will be at His side! YEAH!! :)

To believe that God has done this for us. To return to The Holy One of Israel, having died to self, that we may live to Him. As He lived to serve us, we will live to serve Him. (with great joy, not as a slave) It was fortold that the eyes of the Jews would be closed until the numbers of the Gentiles be forfilled. These are God's people, He will not lose even one. Some will be spared later day suffering and some will not. However, scripture tells us that "all of Israel will be saved". I would highly recommend listening to the video's Paula suggests to me in #423, pray and continue in the Word. Because you were right in that...therein are all the answers individually and nationally.

happen, has already happened". Here we get into, fate,destiny, predestiny and it all becomes very complex. No need to go there. The only thing we need to know is that when Messiah took on the sins of the world as OT scripture tells us He would, this was every sin of every man from the begining to the end of time as we know it. He knew you and I, every hair on our heads and every sin we've commited and may have yet to commit, as He hung there on the cross. Giving us OPPORTUNITY for salvation. Notice I did not say certainty of salvation. We have a part in it too. Conclusion comming

where by no means "days of rest". He took upon Himself the sin of the world and paid the penalty for it. OT Scriptures tell us, "without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin". This is the only thing NT Scriptures "added" without taking one iota from OT scriptures, and that is the forfillment of promised salvation, the shedding of the blood of God's own "lamb" He prepared the sacrifice for us just as He did for Abraham, when Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac. Will be continued.

Virginia. You made it beautifully in your post 431#. And I mean it. May I add: To follow the word of G-d is the solution for all problems; personal & international. G-d did not give us the brain to close it. For whatever its worth, all that came after the words of G-d through Abraham is enough. All that came later is crape, distorted variations on a holy thyme. That created only disention and conflict the antipathy to the main massage. It added nothing to G-d's massage. Only if they learn.. My posts 'God & Man' is just for that.Leave the crape; ungodly,descention and distortion. God doesn't need three days of rest !

Abraham discovery of G-d is like Einstein discovery of the fourth dimension. Both started with mental exercise. Everything is the result of pure mental thinking.All that Man achieved, big & small,harmful or useful started with pure thinking. Our ineer-self is the source of all Man's created. That is what Abraham did in his discovery of the monistic G-d. That is the superiority of the first monistic Jewish religion. Those dormant cells in the human brain are not there just to cure his body. They are there to increase his knowldge to higher understanding and to be trained for higher purposes, kowingly or unknowingly man uses his dormant brain cells to increase the knowldge of his own self. Like what he started doing since the very minute of his creation. The road is there. The journey started with Abraham who teaches us we search for G-d within us..Moses leaded the way..Jews are meant to follow..All the rest are still in the wilderness.

Check this out. http://livinginmyownworld.com/the-big-hug-the-old-city-of-jerusalem/ Cosmic gate about to be opened on May 21, 2007?

There is no contradiction. True, Herod died around 4 BC and true that Jesus was born before Herod's death. The culprit is Diogenes Exiguus, who was ordered by Justinian the Great to change the chronology from the begining of Rome to the birth of Christ. Diogenes made a simple mathematical mistake creating a few years of difference where there was none.

"Christians were first persecuted BY people of the Jewish faith." Wrong again. The first Christians were Jews, my child, thinking that Jesus was the old testament messiah. When they had to rationalize his death, that slowly changed, but for at least a century they argued about whether they should only prosltyze Jews or also non-Jews. As both groups were minorities, neither was doing much to the other. However, it's clear that Christians began writing very bad things about Jews while the opposite wasn't done. As soon as Christians came to power (Constantine) serious persecution was automatic. Read "Christian Antisemitism" and other similar studies before you spout non-supported nonsense.

Most of the world has been pretty stupid. It's too easy to think "if only the Jews are gone, the Muslims will calm down" rather than pay attention to history.

"last I heard Arabs live there." Well, duh, puppy. Read about a little thing called "jihad" "southern Arabia as their ancestors". How long ago? Does the record showing all of us came out of Africa make us all Africans? Because Greeks controlled Arabia for a time, does that make Greeks born there "Arabs"? The Nabateans were a people centered on Petra, completely distinct from the Arab of the time. That's clear from the records. "Greek": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabatea says "By the third century the Nabateans had stopped writing in Aramaic and begun writing in Greek instead." BTW: it also mentions "The new Arab invaders". Finally, so, if most Arabs' history here goes back so far, why'd UNRWA need t say a "refugee" was someone who'd only been here two years?

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Yes, I'm here! Seems not as many are supporting the true God these days nor will recongnize the Messiah...I find it sad ;(

all who are still with us. Akram, I hear you. And we can all be thankful that we ARE capable of "unlearning" and "relearning". Myself for example, I was raised to believe that Sunday was the Sabbath day. Upon looking to Scripture, I learned otherwise. And when the teaching comes directly from the Word of God, it stands. To "unlearn and "relearn" is not an easy process, one must Trust God, and "lean not on their own understanding."

His banner over me is LOVE!!! Hallelu Yah!!! Are you still out there?

Virgina,there is a lot of truth in your post. The fact is the 'ruler & rule' is a reflection of the Islamic tribal calture. We can see that today, most Islamic,specially in Arab countries, can't opt out of being ruled by leaders. It is either the people are too lazy to think for themselves and opt for change or it is the fault of the leaders who always try opression to control people through dependence. It is a calture that goes back long way in Arab social History.I can be right in saying the imperialist role in Arab countries encourages that for Romantic, imperialistic, easy domination purposes. The meoimperialism always used the policy of containment, once they started to use the policy of intervention and change they landed themselves and the Arab countries in the mess that we can see now. The Koran in some verses tried to change that. Mainly in a very famouse verse: Jugement is to be debated between you'.

"Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Messiah replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 Blessings, looking forward to part 4 Lost this thread for a while, thanks Rosner for keeping it active.

You may question why the Jewish writers wrote what they did in the Babylonian Talmud (3 mentions of Jesus c. AD180 not AD600) but I only responded to your flat mis-statement. You said there was no mention of Jesus outside the Bible (in other words, no mention of Jesus other than by his followers). I am glad you agree with me and the list of at least 9 sources that I gave you. Now that you have admitted that Jesus was a historical fact, the argument now is whether you believe who He said He was. We will not settle that discussion in this little chat. That is a matter of belief. I was only adressing your mis-representation of history. The data I gave you was fact not faith.

Amos.In my posts 406-411#I tried to show by its very nature Earthly Science is not qualified for the searh for God. Further more, one should consider the different rules and laws that control the other parts of the Universe.The Universal Sciences. God is not the creator of the Planet Earth only. All the Universe must be created by ONE GOD. One can safely conclude now, that the search for God can not be the perogative of Earthly Science like Evolution and other primative theories and hypothesis. Man always looked for his discoveries outside himself. Because, the first start of Man's search, was for tools to help him in his daily life. We can see that even in animals. The Search for God is Not like the search for tools; which is the main concern of Earthly Science. The search for God should start within himself; exactly what Abraham did. The first Monotheist that discover G-d that lives in him. (to be continued)

You know, when you see the trinity as the aspect of the One God, you can better get a grasp of the teaching. Aida

Actually, Herod didn't wash his hands. Pontius Pilate did. But this is the same Herod who lived in Jesus' time and who had John the Baptist decapitated, and killed all children under age of 2 in an effort to kill Jesus as well.

I strongly desagree with your opinion of the Arabs and their claim to the holy land. A Jewish presence in the holy land is well documented by almost all archaeologists since iron age 1. It was not until general Titus, at the end of the first century, conquered jerusalem and emporer hadrian ordered the dispersion of the jews that israel became known as "palestinia" and jerusalem was renamed "aelia capotalina". It was after this that beduin tribes bigan to move into the area. Furthermore Israel is not excavating under the temple mount as the arabs have controlled the temple mount since 1968 when general moishe dayan captured Jerusalem and then returned control of the temple mount to the arabs. It is the arabs who are building and underground mosque that are destroying evidence of both the solomonic and herodian temples.

First, there is not consensus as to whether or not Jesus was mentioned there. More importantly, lets assume you may be right. That Talmud can be traced to 600 CE. Is there any surprise that, 600 years after his death, when anti-Jewish persecution at the hands of Christians was an established fact, that writers of the Talmud might have referred to the man behind the movement? It wasn't precognition, it wasn't agreeing that he was what Christians claim he is, it would simply have been recognition of the cause of massive amounts of mistreatment and persecution.

"God must not be blamed for Man's deeds" 406#. On your post363# You blamed God for all the misgivings Man brought upon himself.What God has to do with that?The "primitive""holy books" you mentioned on 363# ignored the fact that God knew Man is not perfect(Genesis).If God wants Man to be perfec,He would have made him with 'perfect genes'.God clearly told Man he should be responsible for his actions.(Genesis). So,all that happend to Man is Man's responsibility.God should NOT be blamed,406#. You added:"OH I see 'holy books' reflect more the issues of the time'. So, what the 'unholy books' reflect,Amos ?Certainly the 'unperfect knowledge''Man's Ignorance'?Ofcourse it does. The fact that there is no constancy in the unholy books is a proof of that.Remember what I said 406# "because of its very nature science should be excluded from the search for God". It can't be otherwise.How could it be ?! The truth is Science changable and unreliable. (to be continued).

Ran out of space on the other answer. Here is a list of just a few non-Christian (pagan) references to Jesus: Cornelius Tacitus (AD64)- Roman historian Suetonius (AD90)- Roman historian Pliny the Younger (AD90) - Roman historian Lucian of Samosata (AD100) - Egyptian official Mara Bar-Serapion (AD75) - Syrian prisoner Thallus (AD52) - Syrian historian Roman Nero inscription at Lusitania (AD68) Babylonian Talmud (AD140) - Jewish reference Flavius Josephus (AD90) - Jewish reference No references outside the Bible? You need to study. Plus I suspect there will more discovered in the future especially if Pontius Pilate's writings are ever discovered.

I was hoping someone would bring this reference about Jesus being mentioned in Josephus. No one disputes the reference to Jesus in the writings of Josephus. Not one person. The only dispute is the reference "if you want to call him a man for he was the Messiah". The reference to Jesus is not disputed. The dispute is whether Josephus would call him "the Messiah". The 4 earliest known copies of Josephus ALL include this reference. Early Christian writers such as Eusebius (AD260) quote Josephus and they include the disputed passage in their quotes. Again, there is no proof that Josephus did not write this, only conjecture. The Babylonian Talmud includes a reference about Jesus. Pliny the Younger (Governor) mentions Jesus and Cornelius Tacitus (A Roman Historian in the 1st Century - The Annals of Rome) mentions Jesus being crucified in Judea. Don't forget. No one disputes the references in Josephus to James and John The Baptist.

You go girl! God bless :)

Clickfool, did you miss who I was talking about?? I didnt mention John...I was talking about the Son of God...Jesus...in what you quoted me on. He is not a lie...read the OT and find out that there was prophecy on His coming and death and ressurection then read the NT and find out it did come to pass.

Amos;Tough words though beautiful."We could go down the list in the Torah"Did you ever noticed the Torah has two characters God & Man ? You can only judge the Totah by separating one from the other.This is what you didn't do Amos. You put the shoes in the wrong foot.You blamed the father for the sins of the son. Also you can't treat this as a Frankenstien story.Then you continued saying"From evolution to the idea that god is a man in the sky" Besides the fact there is nothing called (up)sky,you made god looks a silly old man.As for evolution what this has to do with it?Darwin said nothing about Creation!Science is the re-correction of its old mistakes; much like the Arabian 'Onethousand nights & night';you end up where you start.Because of its very nature science should be excluded from the search for God. To sum up now:God must not be blamed for Man's deeds.God should not be searched through science. So,where is God and where can be found ? (will be continued)

be a berean[they didn't just believe anybody when it comes to spiritual matters-they searched and studied the bible for themselves]....warning against idolatry: deuteronomy 13:3 thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet,or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord you God with all your heart and with all your soul........is that a picture of [muhammad]....I may be wrong.

you would never understand what I tried to say....here's in 1 corinthians 2:14 but the natural man[non-believer] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,because they're spiritually discerned. ....have you not read my previous post-peter was not the first pope.he had not been to rome. ....in mark 1:30 but simon's[peter]wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.Jesus, is the ROCK of our salvation and not Peter.....1 corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, unto the jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks[gentiles]foolishness......who's crazy then,amos?you or I....I depend on my bible and read some good christians literatures.

He killed thousands of babies and Bethlehem and now they're celbrating his life like a hero. Hmmm...rings a bell. Well who knows maybe he can run for P.M.

Interesting... Isn't Palenstine a word derived from "Philistines", as in "land of Philistines"? Weren't they one of th groups that occupied the land as Joshua and tribes came into fight off their 'promised land'? Weren't those the people that God then said they should now get to stay in the 'promised land' as a thorn in Israel's side due to Israel's disobedience by not removing them right away (and instead inter-married with them). Aren't the Philistines there to test Israel as to whether they will truly live in peace with them like the Patriarchs had to do? Book of Judges 2 "Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel and said, "Because this nation has violated the covenant that I laid down for their forefathers and has not listened to me, 21 I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations Joshua left when he died. 22 I will use them to test Israel and see whether they will keep the way of the LORD and walk in it as their forefathers did."

we're not all God's children...being good won't get you to heaven either,killing to please your allah won't get you to heaven,but to your own paradise[not heaven].there is no sin in heaven. ......galatians 3:26 for ye are all the children of God...........here's the catch,snakie......by faith in Christ Jesus.if mother teresa...put her faith in good works and not in Jesus...she's not in heaven.God Almighty gave us a choice---some choose hell and some heaven.God is love,but He is the God of Judgment also.I think you're a muslim.

I find it very interesting to see that King Herod's was "discovered". According to Haaretz though, it was also discovered by a monk in the 70's, so what is so wonderful about THIS news? Obviously the place is well know to many and has been there for almost 2,000 years, and since it has already been visited, why all the uproar!

Congratulations to Prof. Netzer and his team for this great discovery. I was very glad when I yesterday saw him on the Spanish television, and I remembered the afternoons of the 1990/91 course attending his exciting lessons after the Gulf War in the Hebrew University.

the words you've shared with me. I am as dull has the next human being and need constant reminding, lest I forget. So thank you for that blessing. May God bless you too.

You are Loving God first, by exulting His Word here. If you are living by this Word, you are putting God first. Click, you are no fool in this. It is the Word that sanctifies the Name, not the other way around. In the 3rd commandment when God said, "you shall not misuse the Name of the Lord your God", this not only refered to the name we call Him, it also refers to His Word. The only right use of it is to bring men to Him. Not exult ourselves or our people. Or God forbid, prove our point in error as Satan tried to do in his tempting of Messiah. His Word is the "Sword of the Spirit" and we must be very careful in wielding it.

I hate to disagree with you, Virginia, but didn't Jesus: "If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen." (1 John 4:20)

love God. God is Love. And the source of all that is. When our relationship is right with God, it is right with one another.

worship the man and the "lifestyle" He lived. They worship the Spirit of the Father within Him. This was the purpose for His coming, to reconcile us as one with Him to the Father. In worshiping Him, we worship the Father. He said plainly, "I and the Father are one." and "the words I speak are not mine, they are the Father's who sent me." and "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through me." The only way to the Father is through the Father's Word. Yeshua/Jesus is the Father's Word incarnate. Like I said to Amos, ask and you will receive.

about it as our Creator does. And if that is the hope of Islam, there is real hope for peace. Our Creator knew the price of His gift of free will before He gave it. He knew some would choose to go their own way, He knew of the idolatry, suffering and violence, which He hates. He also knew their would be those, who of their own free will would Love Him and obey Him, surrender all that they are to Him of their own free will. This was more valuable to Him than the creatures (angels) He made without free-will. And desireable enough to endure the cost. God draws the love of man with Love, not insistance. It is written: "We Love Him because He first Loved us." 1 John 4:19 - Blessings - Ask our Creator to reveal Himself to you, all who ask, receive. Knowing Him is indeed our greatest blessing.

"I trust a God who loves all of us and wants to be good to each other as we would ourselves and calls us to Him through His Son`s sacrifice for our sakes" There's an interesting story about St John, the only Apostle to die a natural death (all the rest suffered terrible martyrs' deaths for their preaching of the Gospel, which is in itself a comment about a religion that is supposedly founded on a lie). It is clear from the history of the early Christian Church that St John lived to a ripe old age. It is said that at the very end of his life, as a Christian "superstar", he was constantly being asked by young followers for advice. By the end he had boiled it all down to one thing; "Love one another. That is enough."

"Why don`t you two get together " Things are moving fast, Kath. Her flight to London is already booked, and by Friday we will be very busy discussing the Palestinian position.

The concept of a God who consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit has always caused me problems, Harold. I still haven't reconciled this and probably never will. I can't see, for example, why an all-powerful, omnipresent God would need a Holy Spirit, and I have a feeling Jesus, who certainly existed, would be horrified to find himself worshipped. Curiously enough, Hindus have no problems with the concept of a Trinity. Chatting to some Hindu friends a while back I was surprised to discover that Hinduism is monotheistic, and Brahmā, Vishnu and Shiva are simply three aspects of the one God.

"So... are you from London? Maybe we can hook up to discuss your philosophy next time I`m in town." I'm always ready to discuss the Palestinian position with attractive ladies, Yael. Let me know the next time you are in time.

on Haaretz too? If they didn't post your BS, in their good and reasonable judgment, they decided it was just that. I am just gonna have make it a point to look in every day and point out whatever is the lie of the day flavor. It makes not one whit of difference what you are selling, truth is truth, and it is not what you can make the jury believe it is. Unfortunately for you, and those who think like you, the eye of the world is on your mess over there and they are weighing it in the balance, and it has been found wanting. Every time you tell somebody that the Pals are a mirage, it speaks of your mindset and it deserves comment. I hope right minded Jews take you to task and continue to point out, despite your hateful posts to them for doing so, that your views do not represent those of many Jews and as such you should only speak for yourself; the views are bigoted and lack any hint of veracity by any standards;the "ilk" must expose it. Regards.

I agree with u Edwin. People keep will try all their best to change the whole story.

out important facts for this poster. He apparently has no concept of cause and effect, poor lad. Regards.

Israelis would say, this is a undeniable "prove" (sich!) that Israel has a legitimate claim on west bank and East Jerusalem. What a clever and coordinative moves on the part of Zionist "scientist" and Israel government. WOW.

#300, so they must be messing with the numbering. I don't recall any "street" language I've used; perhaps we have a different view of what "street" language is. However, you and I have our stuff straight. You know me, if I get an out of pocket post, I certainly can be out of pocket. Feel free to comment on my posts any time. Regards. Ballistic.

We are ALL God's Children...Mother Teresa, a favorite child, Pope John Paul, a good man, WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN....as a Christian you must believe that God created A NEW covenant with man, through Christ, so that only through him, ONLY, can man enter heaven, no jew, no muslim, no one, can enter BUT through him...and you say? and wow unto those who send their brother and sisters to hell, as only god can do that...may they be cast out!

That's great Malka. I agree that your ancestors weren't trying to be politically correct in the 1800's, only anti-Christian. I would like to point out, we aren't trying to change your calendar.

Yes, it says the year of the lord, and year ONE is his birth...who's? Jesus. BC = BEFORE CHRIST This is the Calendar of western civilization, created by the Romans and numerically started on the day the Holy Roman Catholic Church deemed that Jesus Christ, The Messiah, was born. Although they were off by a few years. That's why Catholics (and 1500 years later Protestants) never have to stop an think when Christ was born, just check the Calendar...2007 years ago.

Maria Amos = Jew Jew = Atheist Atheist = Universalist Universalist = Christian Christian = Muslim Muslim = Judaism Judaism = Buddhism Buddhism = Hinduism The one big lie in the world, is that we are seperate, we are all connected. PEACE MARIA Good Night :-)

Kath, I'm not confusing the issue. If you had went back through all of the posts to find the two previous posts that the one you read was referring to, you would understand what I am "waffling" about.

The brief mention of Jesus in Josephus's works were added by Christian writers later on. Even honest Christian scholars admit this. There is no historical mention of Jesus outside of the Christian Bible.

You are welcome I guess.

But how are we to now what non Jews thought of jews except by reading the non Jewish sources? Are we supposed to read the Jewish sources? Surely Heroditus is as reliable as any other Hellenistic of greek source.Why all the doubts about this one? because he is not providing justifications for anti semitsm which is what are looking for in the ancient sources?

The authors name is William Dever.Enjoy!

#28 LinkMan, "Anno Domini" means "Year of the Lord". Period. In no way "Anno Domini" could ever mean "Year of OUR Lord". I'am Jewish too, and Jesus is not my Lord, but this system of date is conventionally accepted all over the world, included Israel where it is flanked in official documents by the Jewish calendar date.

Saddam, Assad, Nasser, and even the Hashemites were leaders for the Arabs. Herod built the greatest Temple in history. He put Judaea on the map. He increased the territory of Judaea threefold. He made it into an agricultural powerhouse. He built fortresses to defend the country against foreign invaders, including Arabs, whom he defeated. He earned Jews rights and privileges all over the Roman Empire. He was a bloody paranoid tyrant he massacred the legitimate Jewish dynasty, yes. But what did these Arab leaders do for their people? They drove them backwards centuries. They lost territory. They lost influence abroad. And on top of that, they all represent small minority groups with tiny power base. And to think Herod lived more than 2000 years ago!

They made Alexander the Great into a prophet of Islam(following the Jewish legend that Alexander paid his respects at the Temple). They call him al Nabi Iskandar. Do you think it's a problem to co-opt Herod as well?

One single historically acceptable reference for 1000 year period...

"St.Peter was the apostle to the jewish people" where are you getting these things? Jesus came for everyone, he ended the devision between jew and gentile and started a new covenant, Jesus was to be the rock where his Church was to rest, for all mankind...you really are crazy Maria, but you do make me smile. :) He was to be the first pope, the first head of the Church, the ROCK. :) And no Maria, I am not Christian...or am I? :) hee

Almah does not mean virgin, but also it cannot be a married woman. It means 'maiden', or 'young, unmarried woman'.

Islam's goal is to have the world realize god and submit to got, Muslim, he who submits to god, give up the material world that the west wallows in (US, Europe, etc) give up lust, all your money and focus just on god, submit to god. That is who rules the world in Islam, god. Modern day capitalism could never flourish alongside Islam, only a people who don't believe in god and flourish in such a materialist, hedonisitic world.

ishmail haniya told washington post a few years ago,"palestinians have israelis on the run now because they have found their weak spot:jews love life more than other people, and they prefer not to die. so suicide bombers are ideal for dealing with them."

The Koran, according to Muslims, is god himself speaking through the Angel Gabriel, the messenger of god, "we" is god and his angels, david, gabriel, etc.

what does it matter, messiah has come and from the looks of things will be back shortly. jesus is salvation, first for the jew then the gentile.

We could go down the list in the Torah about what it is wrong about. From evolution, to the idea that god is a man in the sky that dictates to man how to live, or that the seas were parted, or that Jesus was a virgin birth, if we can believe that then why not believe that Ganesh was born from Shiva? I mean a billion people believe this right? The Bhagavad Gita is way older than the torah and sanskrit is by far the one of, if not THE, oldest language on earth...so is the book right? What about the Koran? OH I see, "holy books" reflect more the issues of the time, of a primitive time, to use those books to guide modern life leads to people flying planes into building, or fighting over a piece of realstate despite the misery it causes people, or the extermination of a people because god dictates it so (here I am talking of the many holocausts written about in the torah, sucha s the people of Israel being ordered to execute everyone, and ofcourse the nazis, who's vision of the future...)

Despite the fact of when people started using BCE or CE it is not coincidence that they date that common era starts is when Jesus was born. Yes, jews have their own calendar but no one outside of Israel cares for it...the hindus, chinese and muslims have their own, but the numberical number that we all use is the one based on Christ and implemented by the Church. To deny it is silly, its like me coming to live in Israel and saying the year is not 5767 or that that year has nothing to do with Judaism...silly really, the whole world follows the western Calendar, and that Calendar was created by the Catholic Church, which is part of western civilization. PEACE

scared cow? I'm lost. I do know that the posts have been coming in a little off tonight, like not in sequence. Did I miss something?

not "over" the Jews. It reminds me of Clinton's, "It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is. But hey, sometimes the meaning of those little words matter. Haaretz thanks for posting my reply to Paula, now how 'bout my reply to Akram. Thanks. I appreciate you guys/girls. :)

Jake works very hard to ridicule the Palestinians by claiming that their name is derived from HEBREW. 1. Jake`s Old Ridiculous Theory: The name Palestine is derived the Philistines (correct), but the Philistines, or Plishtim in Hebrew, got their name from the word "Polesh" (invader, in Hebrew). Problem was that Polesh does not appear in the Bible, and in any case the name of the Plishtim appears in Egyptian reliefs (Ramesses III) in the 12th century, and derived from the Philistines` own language. Too bad. 2. Jake`s New Ridiculous Theory: The name Palestine (Herodotus) which gave the Palestinians their name is derived from Greek `Palaistos`, meaning `wrestler`, and is a translation from `Israel` who wrestled with the angel (biblical story). Did you know that the Jews were known as Yehudim, and not as Israel in the time of Herodotus? Did you know that Herodotus did not visit Yehud (Judea) but passed along the shore in a ship and received mixed up information? Did you know that that Herodotus` visit preceded the arrival of the Greeks in the area (Alexander the Great) by some 100 years and they knew next to nothing about the Jews? How about stopping the stupid fairytales?

are the jewish people/and true christians as well.when they misbehave He chastises them.He doesn't bother those who are not His own.I'm sure your mother or father won't spank your neighbor's children.

Tosefta Again I thank you and appreciate the "Information".I am a bit disappointed with today's discussions on the subject which is quite an important find,but not as important as the the "stele" which was offered by the two Jewish Philatropists.Who who are letting the Jerusalem Museum display it till June.It should stay in Israel.After all it was found in Israel.That is why I made a point of presenting a two part episode of it.Now,that is even more important to me,because it is a "find"you can read and is a tangible one representing the struggles of the, Maccabees and their Victory against the Greeks. I am off now.I always enjoy your posts even when I am not in total agreement with some of you views.So, please do not take offence when I act disproportianetly.Gosh,I feel tired and I make so many TYPO errors.Excuses are in order. dana is getting jealous for taking more notice of you.Why should I not!Difference of opinions notwithstanding.I do like you honestly.bye

"Come on .. EVOLVE the world 5000 years Old ?!. Amos. What is a YEAR Amos?Isn't Man's invention? Isn't that what you mean when you said 'a year'? What is a Light Year Amos ? Isn't an invention of science which means 186.000 earthly Kilo Mt.of earthly light speed/earthly second x 360 earthly days x 24 eartly hours x 60 earthly seconds.. What that tells us if we are talking about the creation itself ? Nothing. All these names,fgures,numbers,sums etc.. are tools of science. Science is always relative to erath, our earth. Go to any other planet and all these figures and sums etc.. means nothing. In another word our knowledge, relative to the creation itself is Zero. The 5000 years you mentioned relative to the creation is something that we don't know nothing about ? All we know, that you are wrong and the 5000 could be right.

of israel,are like an anvil against the koran. the rebirth of israel is proof that the koran and mohammed are incorrect. for this reason, there will always be tension between israel and islam.for islam to recognize the nation of israel this would be an admission that the koran and islam are wrong.when the islamic nations come against israel and jerusalem, God will judge them. this destruction will lead them to realize the bible is the Word of God,and the holy God of Israel is the true God.

Regardless of linguistic references there are actual archeological sites in Palestine which have been indentified as Philistine(both sites and iron sites).So far 30 to 40 and about a 100 of the latter.It is known that the Philistines brought iron to the region. Just as the jews did not disperse in their entirety from the region after the defeat in the 2nd century A.D. by the Romans,so the Philistines were around and were part of the conversion to Islam.

Jews started using CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before the Common Era) in the mid-1800s: CE replaced AD (Anno Domini, "Year of Our Lord" in Latin), BCE replaced BC (Before Christ). No offense to our Christian friends, but we have a difference of opinion on the meaning of "Domini". Our great grandfathers were not trying to be "politically correct" 150 years ago. By the way, we have our own Jewish calendar and the current year is 5767. Here's an interesting article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_calendar

there young lady,hope you didn't pick that up from me,lol.

of the naysaying triumvirate who now posts a like minded naysayer instructing her not to post me. Say Kath, I can believe you could even fix your mouth to call somebody "hateful", that takes moxie. What you hate is the fact that folks are pointing out your desire to slurp up all ME land on behalf of Israel (remember your stated desire for Jordan). Take a look in the mirror and behold hate. I stand for justice, no matter the recipient. You stand for apartheid and left South Africa when it fell apart and plopped down in Pal land attempting to convince everybody you have a claim and that an entire people do not exist. When you posted Israel deserves Jordan, it unmasked the ugliness in you. I hope posters take note of the hateful posts you send to fellow Jews who do not agree with you. You chide Connie like a mentally challenged child, don't talk to this one or that. Based on your Jordan post, it became apparent to me that you are a few skivvies short of a full gym bag! Stop lying!

CE=Common Era;BCE= Before Common Era. There was NO Cairo before about 800 CE-it was founded as a fort about 150 years after Mohammed died-as An Cairan. So Joe of Rammalah-therefore Ben Ezra synagogue you mention is incorrect. Besides Jewish synogogues only started around 100 BCE . Older synogogues found in Galile-Tiberias & Golan & jericho from BCE. Joe of Rammallah your knowledge of history is deplorable, and your statements of history very funny but sad. Nabateans were an east semitic people who moved west-they created their own culture absorbing Greek and Roman-like their architecture; and were a rich trade international people. Edomites[Iduwean] West semites not Arabs: Arabs east semites. Aramaic a west north semite tongue from around Babylon/Assyria

was the apostle to the jewish people,st. paul was the apostle to the gentiles.concerning Jesus......luke 24:14 and he[Jesus] unto them these are the words which I spake unto you,while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled,which were written in the 'law of moses',and in the 'prophets',and in the 'psalms' concerning me[Jesus]........Jesus was mentioned in the Old Testament as well.

already come to the conclusion that nothing is accidental. One thing we can all be certain of is that the one word we will never hear from our Creator is oops! Hallelu Yah! I really enjoyed your post and fully agree, open mindedness is crucial to growth. However it also must be used with extreme caution (prayer) as my mother used to always tell me, "Don't be so open-minded, your brains might fall out!" Regards back at ya friend.

I thought I was a mouth piece for the saboteur left??His name is William Dever.

they got their interpretation from the torah.if they got it from there..they really twisted the Word of God.muhammad was born in 570 AD.this is in their koran:surah 2:50 and remember we divided the sea for you and saved you.and drowned pharoah's people within you very sight....my question is ,who's "we".

1. "[Herod's] son was recognized as Jewish he could not technically be King because his father was not recognized as Jewish." - Efox Herod's family was Edomite. They were converted to Judaism many years before Herod was born. The Talmud tells the story of King Agrippa, either Herod's grandson or great grandson, who was reading Deuteronomy in public during Sukkot and began crying when he read "be sure to appoint over you the king the LORD your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers" (Deut. 17:15). The people said to him "Agrippa, you are our brother..) so he was recognized as King. (In any case, kings were appointed by the Romans, including Herod himself.) 2. "There is no Arab in him though it makes perfect sense that Arabs would be claiming as much" Actually, his mother was a Nabatean, a tribe from Arabia, who pushed the Edomites into Judea as they expanded northward.

go hand in hand with this type of science.

With that hypocritical woman who only comes here where ordered.You can bet your life,any time there is a controversial article she is summoned to appear,and she drops all the "chips" she is using for the games at Laz Vegas and with nothing to do and comes here to agravate us all.Israel and the Jews. I say,let her stew in her juice and do not bother with her kind.She is nothing but trouble,and the sooner she realizes that there are no Palis,the better for her ILK....

I assume you are looking for a book by William Dever (Changed his name to Dvir in Hebrew but writes under Dever). He has a book: "Who were the early Israelites and where did they come from", which may be what you are looking for. Very nice book.

"He granted it to his loyal Pastafarian followers, who will one day, return to their PROMISED LAND, and rejoice in our spaghetti wonderland we will create for ourselves". Unfortunately strife will invariably ensue between the Zittites, the Shellites, the Fetuccinites, the Macaronnites, the Gnoccites, etc over who are true spiritual heirs to the Great Spaghetti Monster, until Angel Hair himself comes to redeem them.

And recognized as such by Jews (and Romans). Thus "though his son was recognized as Jewish he could not technically be King because his father was not recognized as Jewish." does not make sense.

OVER the Jews.The Romans placed him there.His father was Antipater and Idumaen and his mother Arab.Marc Antony and the Roman made him King of Judaea His entire long reign testifies to his being a Roman vassal.Everything was done for the Romans. King of the Jews is therefore a misnomer.

triumvirate of naysaying apologists joining Kath and Lynn. What happened, did you run out of right minded posters to gnaw on? You confuse justice with hate and I am sure on your part that is intentional. You apparently hate the fact that me and other posters, including some of your brethren, are pointing out you and yours attempt to steal an entire country based on BS while slowly genociding its people. I have no idea why you bothered to post me since you know I am not a consumer of your principal product, which is BS. Well, sorry to say for you, it is not business as usual, new day, new reality. You asked about a bouncer job at the MGM and I put your name in. I am told you must be short, weigh at least 200 lbs, and possess a hateful disposition so I took the liberty of submitting your name based on your inquiries. Cheer up, there will be new posters to whom you can sell BS, however, it will be short lived. Have tea. Regards.

"Always add the word of God, our creator will". Virgina. I liked what you said here, above all I love the way you used the word 'will'.It reflect that G-d is the power behind action;and not a myth or a tablet of commandments.It is amazing how wrong Man seeks the truth !When the truth is under his nose.And that is not only in the natural world, but also in History.All you need to search with an opend mind. Faith is not blindness.Faith,is the'Result' of searching with an opend mind. Isn't that the same as the 'the scientific mathod' ? Study Jewish History with an open mind; with the purpose to search for the dialectics leading to the purpose of events; and you will come to the conclusion that nothing is accidental. Everything made to a certain purpose and conclusions. Just like in the Natural World. This how you plant the seed of Faith in you. Faith is NOT for the Common man. That is where all religions have failed. Faith is the engine of truth. Regards.

Golly day, Kath, why are you feeding this poor woman BS, which is what it is. No matter how much you wish for the Pals to disappear, they remain there, prominent like an unwanted wart on a woman's nose. No matter how she attempts to get rid of it, it gets uglier and uglier! Get a grip, will you? Try being truthful like Dor, a poster above. Now there is somebody who deserves respect. He is concerned about you disappearing due to exigent circumstances and not the Pals. Be careful wishing ill on others. Have you resigned yourself that you won't be getting Jordan as part of Greater Israel, as you stated in one of your posts? It must be the water there. Regards.

You can't dig a hole in Israel without running in to some piece of buried history and no where in the world is there more historical significance packed in to less land, but the revisionists with a vested interest in obfuscating the past will be at work here. They recklessly tore apart the land beneath the Temple Mount, Vandalized the Tomb of the Patriarchs and they will lay claim to this piece of History as well. Don't let them build a Mosque on this Dastard's Tomb. There is nothing holy about it, but History must be protected.

His conversion to Judaism was never fully recognized because he spent so much time wallowing in decadence and dining on fish that were considered unclean, though his son was recognized as Jewish he could not technically be King because his father was not recognized as Jewish. There is no Arab in him though it makes perfect sense that Arabs would be claiming as much in an effort to ban infidels from another historical site. The people from which his Mother Descended, have since been annihilated and almost completely replaced by Arabians, along with the original inhabitants of Southern Iraq, Byzantium and Assyria.

Hi Paula, Thank you. Or should I say, Thank God for you. "I truly love their God with all my heart" Their God will be my God and their people, my people too. I always Love to hear people who are able to unashamedly and without fear, express their Love for the Holy One of Israel. Bless you.

"His mother's chariot flipped over near Herodium, and Herod became hysterical until he realized she was only lightly wounded."

"order, reorder, disorder" every parent should know this one! And this can most certainly be applied to God's Word as well.

Having stood before the Western Wall countless times I can honestly say it is a most moving experience. Doubtful you would understand....must be something about the heat in Henderson. You know that ugly golden pimple that stands atop the Temple Mount...guess why its there? In case you are ignorant of these facts it is there because the arabs wanted to erase all proof of the Holy Temple and Jewish identity in the area. They behave like this...just look what they recently did to Josephs Tomb. No respect for anyone else...but of course you could never see this because you have arab propaganda glasses on...better to see with...but unfortunately you get a distorted view of things..I'm curious..don't you have better things to do in nearby Las Vegas than spending your time spewing hatred on an Israeli forum?I hear the MGM needs a bouncer.

Do the followers of Allah actually know of his history? He was the moon god! Do you think Abraham would worship false idols? I know not! He worshipped the great I AM...the spirit of the true God and creator of all living things. He passed his lineage to his son with his first wife Sarah named Issac. Issac was named by He that is all holy to father his people. So in response that the Jews were not the people that Moses led into Canaan is bunk. They were called Israelites...hello? Israel! I truly love their God with all my heart, mind and soul...I was friends with a Rabbi growing up and respected him...only difference is I love with all my heart their Messiah that for most Jews missed even though the all the signs were right before them in the Torah. Finally, I trust a God who loves all of us and wants to be good to each other as we would ourselves and calls us to Him through His Son's sacrifice for our sakes. He doesnt need us to perpretrate hate and violence.

why the Bible or any other scripture omits dinosaurs??? And then there are these findings. God is received by faith. No one has all the answers. Those who know God, don't need all the answers. Evolve? We must. No one could receive it all at once, we grow in His likeness through His Word. If you'd like to evolve, read it.

Was this guy a relative of yours?????

Museums in Paris, London, New York are full of Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Moabite, Judean Stella?s and records, written in stone, and thousands of coins, seals, and more, making your claim ridiculous. Unless you limit your term "Palestine" to the narrow strip of coast, between Jaffa and Gaza, where the Philistines really lived from 1200 to 600 BC.

"There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible,but in the end they fall,remember that always . . ." Mahatma Gandhi Yes, the Palestinians will overcome,not someday,but SOON !

I'm glad you mentioned Josephus because he also confirms (as other non-Biblical writers do) the historical fact of Jesus, James and John The Baptist. I cannot let you get away with saying the Bible is historically inaccurate without you supplying an example. Please supply one!

Pam Get a hold of yourself,and stop confusing the issue.There are no such people called Palestinians.Yes there were,and the REAL PALESTINIANS DURING THE RE-BIRTH OF ISRAEL AND THE BRITISH MANDATE "THE JEWS WERE CALLED PALESTINIANS"AND THE REST(NOT MANY AT THE TIME)WERE MERELY CALLED "A R A B S".SIMPLE AS:A B C.

the Koran teaches rulership of Muslims, while the Torah and the Gospels teach the rulership of God... Alone. God is Ruler and King. Man was NEVER meant to rule over man the way men interpret that they are. Should God set us to rule over men as He will many, it will be as a parent rules over their child. To guide, teach and bless. Not force, dictate and oppress.

Jesus (Yeshua), was not the biological son of Joseph. Every piece of evidence we have on the subject shows that Joseph accepted Jesus even though he was NOT his biological father. Joseph was chosen to be the earthly father of Jesus because of who he was as a person, and becuase of his lineage from David. If you study ancient Jewish ideas you would plainly see that his lineage could only be traced through Joseph, because the lineage of women wasn't seen as significant. Their children were never traced through them, so Jesus wouldn't have been either. Jesus did come through the line of David, but only through his "adopted" father. Jesus was fortunate to have 2 very significant ancestors.

As Christians, we aren't trying to force the world into believing in Christ by using the terms BC and AD. It is the rest of the world who is finding anything and everything they can to use against Christians. If we had a calendar that used terms such as BM (before Muhammed) or BB (before Buddha) I wouldn't have a problem with it (and this wouldn't even be a topic of conversation on this board or any other). That would only mean that people of that religion implemented the current calendar. Trying to change the terms is just another way to suppress Chrisitianity. Afterall, they aren't trying to change the year.

Christians were deceived to believe the laws of God were superseded. The eyes of the Jews were closed and unable to see God in Messiah. God Loved us while we were in sin. God Loves us even though we've been deceived. He saw the last days from the begining and still He came. And even still He Loves us and wants us to turn from our ways to His. We can all thank God that there is still time. How much? Only the Father knows. He wanted us to know, He wants none to perish. Look to Him.

Christians slaughtered Jews? Yes, wars were waged against Jews in the name of Christianity. However, Christians were first persecuted BY people of the Jewish faith. Yes, slughtered by them. They were stoned to death, pushed from temple walls, beheaded, any number of atrocities. In fact, they are still being persecuted by the millions today. Let's also not forget that when Jews come under fire now, it is Christian nations that come to your aid.

Great response! I agree wholeheartedly!

The Philistines (Greek 'Filistaioi') ceased to exist as a recognizable ethnic group around 600bc, when they were dispersed by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The word Palestine (Greek Palaistine) was coined by Herodotus in around 430 b.c., who wrote about the 'Palestine-Syrians' as being a circumcized people who learned the custom from the Egyptians (which the Philistines were famous for NOT being). Palaistine is etymologically derived from the Greek word 'PALAISTES', wrestler (the -ine is a Greek genetive ending). The name Israel in Hebrew means 'one who wrestled with God', in reference to Jacob's wrestling with a mysterious anthropomorphic being. There is a theory that the Greek name 'Palaistine' is just a translation of 'Israel' with only indirect reference to the once-present Philistines that lived on the coast.

assured you of Israel's destiny what's your problem? Why are you jumping up and down ? Or is it that you know that your Lord God punished you several times for unjust and immoral behaviour towards your fellow beings ? Remember you went into exile at least twice,and if you don't live at peace with your neighbours,maybe you are in deep trouble once again.

are the 'Romans' in Israel today!

Akram, very well said. I can follow what you were saying. I think someone misinterpreted it. I agree with you though. Jews have been persecuted throughout history, and it does seem peculiar that the downfalls of the governments who perpetrated those acts followed soon thereafter.

Howdy No Name; While I wasn't looking, some academics decided to change BC (before Christ) to BCE (before the common era or perhaps before the Christian era) and AD (ante domini = in the year of our Lord) to CE (common era or perhaps Christian era). I don't know why they did this, but I always use BC and AD because that is what I was taught in school and all references prior to the 1970's use BC and AD and not BCE and CE. I mean why screw up the Gregorian calender if you don't have to? Some academics go overboard in their attempts to be "politically correct" whereas they only wind up confusing everybody. Like the military says, "order, counter order, disorder".

Danite I tried the said gentleman only found one Dever,who is a minister of some church or other. No mention of the subject in question,no reference at all. Please tell me Danite,what is his first name? Then we may get somewhere. Greetings and Thanks

Lotsa times things don't go as planned. If ever there was evidence of plans awry, look recently at Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan. Man plans, but God plans too. At the present time, it appears as though man's plans and God's plans are not in agreement. Only time will tell whose plans are THE PLANS. The Pals are a strong people with a strong cause. No matter what naysayers say, I would not count them out, no way, no how. Justice always wins out without any input from those who seek to deprive others of it. Regards. Ballistic.

our comprehension. We must learn to invoke this power. It changes the hearts of man!!! The first step I have learned is... One must begin with their own heart.

To Toronto's Finest...I have to agree it is fantastic news. Now we need more discoveries there to tell us for sure. I'm hoping that will come soon. The rest of the posters here are off the subject entirely. This is not political or religous, it's science = anthropology/archeology.

When I was referring to archaelogical & written history, I wasn't referring to only Herod's tomb. If I were, I would agree that the statement wasn't accurate. The records indicate that the land Israel was built on was BOUGHT by Hebrews. I worded my statement poorly when I said they were the first ones there. What I meant by that, is that they were the first to inhabit Israel as a nation, and that it wasn't taken by force from Palestinians. By the way, I do believe that Native Americans and the Aboriginal people of Austrailia got a very raw deal. I DO NOT in any way agree with how their land was taken from them, no more than I agree with what the Palestinians have been trying to do for countless years.

expressed his pleasure at the beheadings,more pleasure than a new Camel. The other lesson of course is the meaning of Hudna to Arabs ever since. They must think the world is stupid.

Come on Virginia! "The character of the God of the Koran and the character of the God of the Bible are two different characters." Have you read the Koran? In fact the god of Koran is more alligned with the Torah, the old testament, than the god of the Christians, the New testament god and the old testament god are very, very, different. The Koran praises "the people of the book" but it says that they are wrong, much as the Christians believe...you would think that they Koran would warn against the people who follow jesus, if they followed the people of the book, they would STILL not belive in Jesus. On a side note, the god of the Torah, or the conception of god is a very primitive view of life and the world where there is thinking being that gets involved in world affairs (akin to pagan conception of old)...it was appropriate for people thousands of years ago...but today? Come on...EVOLVE the world 5,000 years old?! Well we already know THAT is FALSE.

IS THIS LAKSHMI A SACRED COW,THAT YOU DIDN'T PUT OUT MY RESPONSE TO HER A FEW MINUTES AGO? A SPECIALL PERSON,AN UNTOUCHABLE????? IF I SEE A RESPONSE FROM YOU,THEN I SHALL DECIDE THAT YOU HAVE AN AGENDA HERE FOR SOME AND AGAINST OTHERS..................

In case you have not noticed Israel has left Gaza,Sinai etc. While your brothers are talking greater Palestine you can all whistle. India and Israel have got a good relationship does that suit the greater Palestine plans? The Islamic republic from the river to the sea ethnically cleansed of Jews? YOU complain about haters. Look at what your brothers have on their OFFICIAL media.

Half Arab? Then why did Herod build a Jewish temple? Joe, you're insulting the guy after he put all that time and effort in building such a magnificent building and believe me, Arabs ( if any ) were running around in the dunes of Arabia, way-way- South.

Always amazes me how much non-Christians know about Christianity. I would guess that many Christians did not even know what AD means, however I'm sure they do appreciate the new light you shed on old Latin meaning. Anyhow I can appreciate and understand your explanation that as a non-Christian you're offended by being subjected to any lordship that you do not subscribe to. I'd probably be offended by my years named under anyone other than Jesus' Lordship from my viewpoint, so I sincerely do get it from your viewpoint. Net result for me is that the neutral "Common Era" timestamp I can live with in this world, so as not to offend non-Christian sensitivities, as long as I have the freedom to believe that I enter the "eternal now" under Jesus' Lordship.

FORGOT TO MENTION WHAT OUR QUESTIONS SHOULD BE TO THESE IGNORANTS,AND IT IS THIS:IF THEY PURSUE WITH THIS A FEW QUESTIONS ARE IN ORDER. WHO WAS THEIR KING? WHAT WAS THEIR CURRENCY? I WAS GOING TO ADD A FEW MORE THINGS.BUT!I KNOW THEY WOULD TWIST IT TO THEIR WAY AND CHANGE IT. SO,I REFRAINED FROM DOING SO. ANY

I don't hate Palestinians. I myself am a Sephardic Jew, of quite mixed blood, in fact I myself have some Greek, Bulgarian, and Palestinian Arab blood. I don't hate any human being at all and do see fault with some of Israel's policies. This being said, I do hate people who blow themselves up or send missiles to civilian areas. I particularly despise a parent who would send their child to blow themselves up... And I don't believe that any goal, independence, or whatever, justfies killing. Not to mention that Hamas's goal is to kill every Jew, both in Israel, and outside of Israel (according to their own charter), so for me what you call "hating" is simple self-preservation. In my opinion, it would be suicidal for Israel to withdraw from the territories in the current situation. Hamas would see that as a victory, no doubt, and continue with their war towards the destruction of Israel and the physical elimination of Jews from the earth...So unfortunately, I don't see a solution currently.

The Spolight is here to shine a light on dark corners and the things that hide in them.

2 corinthians 4:4 in whom the god of this world[satan] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, let the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.........allah is not god.history proves that before islam came into existence...the sabeans in arabia worshipped the moon god...who married the sun goddess, who gave birth to three goddesses.allah was just one of 360 idols in the kabah in mecca.the crescent moon is everywhere in islam.

Every new bit of info. and discovery related in any way to religion ignites the age old rivalry of religions.To be as passionate about assuming responsibility and genuine caring for this World and Peoples would accomplish much more Good than killing and destroying in the name of religion.Any religion.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. God may have given us dominion over the earth. But he is the owner. We are just subjects in his kingdom. This is God's vinyard, we are just tending it for him. We are all living on his time and his land. Be wise and give him all the praise for what you have.

Even if the majority came from outside Cannan, they came from the region anyhow and became as native to the land they inhabited for thousands of years as much as the Franks became the French and the Angles the English and Arabs from the hejaz became Palestinians.Enjoy!

B.Sarah Josephus even hardly mentions Jesus,ans I have in my possession a very old and and authentic book on the history of the Jewish Wars by Josephus,and there is only one line about Jesus that was probably inserted by the publishers without a doubt.Since I haven't rad many posts I don't know who made this stupid assertion.but surprised?Not at all.Delusional as always.They also on another forum(where you there?)when they said the same about Jesus being a Pal. So ridiculous as we all know no such people existed except when the Romans decided to undermine the Jews and changed the name,from Judea and Samaria and called it Syria-Palestina. I think the know,but still like to antagonize us here,deriving a perverted pleasure from it. Nice to see you here and keep it up please. Best of luck

Howdy Hal; The Hebrews started migrating from Ur, Sumer, Mesopotamia prior to 2200 BC to the Levant and to Egypt, but nobody knows why. This was before Judaism became their established religion with the advent of Abraham's "enlightenment" and subsequent commitment to monotheism. The Holy Land was populated rather sparsely by the Canaanites who were essentially southern Phoenicians and who had little if any relationship with the Arabs to the their east. The word "Palaestina" was invented by the Romans during the reign of the Emperor Hadrian in 135 AD and comes from the word "Philistine" or "Philistia" who were sea peoples of Greek origin, who inhabited the coastal areas of the Holy Land, and who had nothing whatsoever to do with the Arabs. What? Moses didn't cross the Sinai? Are you trying to tell me that Cecil B. de Mille was wrong? Awe, that's a shame. I liked that story especially when pharoah's army gets zapped by God in the Red Sea.

look for no other, YHWH Himself has redeemed those He will call to faith in His Word.

BC = Before Christ AD = Latin for (Catholic Church) "The Year of our Lord" Hence, our year (2007) corresponds with the birth of Christ. I have no problems going to Israel and saying its 5000+ according to "creation" nor would i demand anyone change it...even though we all know the planet and humanity is WAY older than 5,000 years old.

See my post 229,where I look into the question of the Philistines being in the region since the Iron Age.There are 30+ Philistine sites in Palestine.And at least 50+ iron sites(they introduced iron into the region).And ofcourse,we know from the Old T. that the Israelites battled with the Philistines.

God bless you my Aussie friend! Well put!!

Thank you Lord and Messiah of Israel, they have proven the New Testament true and Herod was after you!

If you read the Torah, in Exodus, G-d speaks to the Jewish people and announces the first commandment. Because of the power of G-d's words, people fainted and had to be revived by angels.

Is it because he is telling the truth?or is it that you still hope the palis will still be here and he does not think so?Well deah,I have a jolly good feeling they ain't going to achieve much and will stagnate and disappear in due time.Failing this scenario,they already have a country where their brethren awaits them.And that country is Jordan. Israel is GOD'S COPUNTRY THE COUNTRY OF THE JEWS GOD'S OWN.

certainly not the God of Abraham. Not the Creator. No doubt the word was direct, but from whom? The heart of the Prophet? Whose Prophet? Too contrary to be my God's Prophet, even only through the Book of Genesis. The character of the God of the Koran and the character of the God of the Bible are two different characters. It is no wonder the Koran warns its believers against "the people of the book" (These people could possibly lead them to the truth of the never changing God of Abraham-who Loves ALL He has made)

hello no name As I said above,I too was nonplused about this.Now I know better.BCE=Before the Currant Era,and CE is:Currant Era...presumably??? I hope I am not giving you wrong Info' Anyway,of course it is good news for the archeologist who work so hard and for years and years before they can uncover whatever has happened in the past thousands centuries,etc. I would have loved to become one,but never did. However,I substitute it by reading history. You sound sweet,I think you are a nice person,unless I am mistaken?(hope not) Nice to see You..

Your hatred for Jews and this Jewish state is retarding you. But check this out. Herod the Jew and his decendants were as you say occupiers. Yet they were here way before the present day Arabs. Doesnt that mean that the present day Arabs are the modern day occupiers? If they werent here before Herod, then they are occupiers, right? Then they must go.

I could have sworn that Jesus was Hindu! This is quite the revelation Ellen, have you confirmed this with the Vatican? Boy! Did we think the the Da Vinci Code was going to cause a ruckos! Now this! :)

that no man, no matter what his title could possibly save us from the Word of God. Only God can save us from His Word, with His Word, there is none greater. Read with prayer. Had Yeshua/Jesus been just a man, He would not have had the wisdom He did to even make up the claims He made. God is not the man, God is Spirit, the Spirit within the man. If one cannot see this, they should at least strive to get to the place where they are willing to accept that God Himself will be the Judge of us all. Each will answer for their beliefs. Yeshua/Jesus came not to condemn but to save. Our best mirror of Him is to point others to the Father as He did.

let's start from genesis 1:1 in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.and now let me take you to john 1:1 in the beginning was the Word[Jesus],and the Word[Jesus] was with God.John 1:3 all things were made by him;and without him was not any thing made that was made.1 John 5:17 for there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word[Jesus],and the Holy Ghost[Holy Spirit]: and these three are one.........joseph was not the biological father of Jesus.Jesus has no sin in Him[He is 100% man;100% God]Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus[virgin-she knew not a man].in luke 1:34,35 then said Mary unto the angel....seeing I know not a man?35....the Holy Ghost[Holy Spirit] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall "overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.there were gentiles in the line of the Messiah--Rahab and ruth[the moabite woman].

Clickfool I thought she was funny,then you come out with a reply and I am in stiches. Why don't you two get together and dance while twirling the "pastas" through your tresses...

What the devil does BCE and CE mean??? I have never heard of those terms. Which Herod are we talking about here? The one that had all the baby boys before 3yrs old killed? thanks...at any rate it is a great find no matter what anyone says...we should learn more from history...like no one wins in playing the game of war. Everyone loses especailly our young people not matter what race we are talking about.

"muhammad got his interpretation from torah,but he twisted God`s Word." Muslims believe that Mohammed received the Koran directly FROM god, NO interpretation there...the Koran is the only book that claims to be the DIRECT word of GOD. ,...and no, Maria, I know what you are thinking, I AM NOT MUSLIM... :) Jeez!

Ellen Say no more,you have put the finger on the pulse.Let me remind you though,that the hate usually comes from Israel's detractors,and the Jews come out in defence of their country,which after all it is expected. This is a very liberal newspaper,we have many more like Haaretz in Israel who are neither afraid or restricted to publish anything they wish and let the "talkbackers"in without any fear.You see,this is what we call a true democracy.Enjoy...............

"romans....who had perpetual hatred toward the jews/israelites" The romans did not really care about the jews or the little outpost in the east, very little food or wealth was coming from their. Egypt and what is now Turkey was much more important to them as a lot of the grain and taxes came from their. The romans were really indifferent about the Jews, they were one of MANY tribes througout the empire, in fact, they were more concerned with Gaul than anything else.

This discovery of Herod's tomb is one more historical confirmation that the Bible is true. Many Jews and Christians do not seem to realise that Jesus was a Jew who also suffered under the Herods. Jesus' teachings were all derived from the Jewish Scriptures. He said that the greatest commandment was "Hear O Israel....". It is phenomenal that the dating scheme used today throughout most of the world is based on the life of a Jew who lived in the land of Israel. It may not be an accurate date, but give or take a few years it is still based on the birth of a Jew! Some of you may be interested in our website: www.biblenews.org

umm interesting...if that is true...then Jews really are native to the area and not just some people that came from somewhere outside in Africa. I like that! (I just placed in my basket in Amazon) Thanks! Amos S.

Joe While I agree with your posts,I would like to know your secret in how you manage to get the responses out,without having to beg haaretz? I particularely approved the one you sent to Ramallah Joe.He writes well,but still clings to reading and getting misinformed by sticking to only certain authors like "Finkelstein"who is fraud-Jewish or not he is a bloody fool.Anytime you may encounter detractors of Israel,out comes references to Finkelstein.I sure would like to read what he says,and get an inkling of what his agenda realy is.Making more money no doubt.But,I call it blood money,and it stinks to high heaven.Wehave quite a few of his ilk,freedom of speech and all that. You said about the dangers of a tourist attraction is very apt.That isn't going to happen is obvious.They have yet to learn and live with each other,let alone be a partner for peace with Israel.Most unfortunate for them in this respect,until they realise this they are going to stagnate,stay there...

GW's Washington poodle!

Just because the PA and their cohorts are manufacturing historical inaccuracies, doesn't make it so. There is too much evidence to the contrary. Now where is your evidence???

the edomites[twin brother of jacob] who had [perpetual hatred toward jacob] of yesterday.mount seir and edom[these are esau's].and the promised land for jacob. the pioneer jews cultivated the land in the late 1800.when these jews from russia came back to their ancestral homeland-the land was uncultivated,swampy,and malaria infected place.

Unfortunately the Brits will never know the truth as they are boycotted form the site.

What I like to know.Is there any historical evidence of what Herod is said to have done, the murdering of the children.Are there any Roman witnesses?I just know tha he was hated by the Jews as they looked upon him as a Roman collaborator.

may be what bothers you is that with all the crimes committed against them by Israel they are still there, very much there.And the Unity Government is being increasingly recognised by many government around the world. Looks like they are there to stay.This,ofcourse, does not suit Israel's plans of a Greater Israel,does it ?

I have missed your "where is your evidence". Where is your evidence of a substantial presence by your people in that land. According to a recent program I saw about it on the History Channel, a rabbi said no real physical evidence of a SUBSTANIAL Jewish presence has been found and they are digging for it. His statements were a tad confusing because we see so many pictures of the 'Wailing Wall'. Is there any dispute about what that is? Regards.

muhammad got his interpretation from torah,but he twisted God's Word.

1. "Herod was an Idumian Arab who converted to Judaism." - Hal The Idumeans (Edomites) were not Arabs, although they were Semites, like the Jews. Of course, if you go a couple of millenia further back, you might say that all Semites came from Arabia. All this is before biblical times. Herod's family were Edomites, who were forcibly converted to Judaism some 70 yers before Herod's birth. Herod's mother was an Arab (Nabatean). 2. "Palestinians were in Palestine as far as the name Palestine existed, about 3500 years back." - Hal You may be referring to the arrival of the Philistines, about 1200 years ago. The name of the country as Palestine is only attested in the 5th cent. BC (Herodotus). 3. "Moses and the Israelites (not the Jews)never crossed the Sainai. There is not a single trace of Israelites in Palestine." - Hal Why do you accept the story of Israel going DOWN to Egypt but not the one of coming OUT of Egypt? Accept both or reject both. In any case, Israel was in Canaan AFTER the theorized time of the Exodus, as attested in the famous "Israel stele" of Merneptah (son of Ramesses the Great; no later than 1203 BC).

because He was risen from the dead.how could they find His bones-500 witnesses saw Him ascended to Heaven.

Please spare us from anymore of your stupid remarks.

during the exodus.don't leave judah[the father of the jews] out.don't tell me that they left him in egypt.[that wasn't mentioned in the bible]judah was an israelite[because he was son of jacob[God changed his name to israel].don't you know that palestine was judea?where do palestinians get their names?from the term "palestine".the romans changed the name judea to palestine "to insult the jewish people".the people who remained in judea during the romans rule were jews[and benjamite?].the lost ten tribes of israel-I'm sure will be reunited with them in end times because God will regather them in the land of israel.

Have you ever noticed that none of the profecies about the Messiah states that he would be a god or semi-god? Isaiah 11's Emmanuel is not a messianic prophesy, since the boy was a sign that within 65 years the Northern Kingdom of Israel would be conquered by the Assirians. The word commonly traslated as "virgin" in this text is "almaha", which refers to a young lady, either married or not. But the precise hebrew word for "virgin" is "betulah", which is strictly used in this meaning along the Tanach. If the prophecy was so, then most women would have stayed unmarried because one of them would be the bearer of the Messiah, and thus would be violating the commandments of multiplying. Yeshua of Nazareth is the Messiah, but he is a biological son of Yosef and Miriam (Mary). Otherwise King David would have been despised, since he was promised that his "seed" would inherit the throne forever. If it was the "Holy Ghost's" seed, then King David has nothing to do, since Miriam was Levite.

my email is Yael.solomon3000@gmail.com

Bravo Clickfool!

So... are you from London? Maybe we can hook up to discuss your philosophy next time I'm in town. Yael.solomon3000@gmail.com

Sorry, mate, I haven't seen any of your contributions before, so I can't tell whether you're being ironic or yet another of those paranoid nutters who've nothing better to do than blame all their own personal failing on the Jews... Could you tell me which, without being sarcastic?

post. It doesn't muck up the issues with extraneous, often untrue BS that apologists throw about to justify what is going on over there. I also read your post on Posner's blog, the one about Israel being vulnerable, and boy was that an eye opener. The post sounded like a conversation between an unclean lady and her handler at any suggestion that she might be replaced for a more economically viable and attactive lady. You have my respect for being truthful as that is a rarity amongst apologists. It is not clear what you want the US to do, although it is clear what your thoughts are about the matter. If all you lay out in both posts is accepted as true, doesn't sound like the US has very many options. Keep blogging. Regards.

I can't believe these comments are becoming so political and full of hate. They are very entertaining to read though. I'm Iranian and see if you can find anything like these diverse points of view in any media in Iran. Half the people here would be in jail by now and the site would be closed.

Where is your archeological evidence? historical? Where is that confirmed by outside sources.... Funny Josephus never mentions the Pals.....

"Where can I learn more about Pastafarianism and the men behind it?" I've heard about these Pastafarians. They're Italians who knot spaghetti into their hair, smoke dope and wear tie-dye T-shirts.

the jewish people own the land.no one can't change the Word of God[heaven and earth will pass away,but not His Word].God keeps His promise.His promise is everlasting.the promised land is an everlasting possession given by God to the children of jacob only.no invaders can claim this land-whether they like it or not,they will be defeated if they do.where are those who invaded the modern israel?they're all gone,but the jewish people are still here.they've tried to annihilate them since bible time.hitler thought he could destroy all of them.

Rhetoric does not count as evidence.

Hi, I'm an attractive 21-year-old woman living Manhattan. Where can I learn more about Pastafarianism and the men behind it?

Nice play on words there! No doubt this is a politicaly motivated "find" designed to further exclusive and triumphalist Jewish claims to lands to which they have highly dubious claims at best.

you forgot about raping their women ! How dare you not also tell everyone that the pals and arabs from morocco to yemen are suffering only because of the Israelis and all their conspiracies etc. and what about global warming caused by israel.... oh almost forgot, israel today giving USD 5M to Darfuris (muslims) Israel to become one of world's 10 largest donors to Darfuri refugees....must be another plot, conspiracy of the little satan....

to let out that they own the promised land.the only proof they had so far was outnumbering those jews who remained in palestine after the romans exiled the rest of them from their land.

Actually, Israel is mentioned in the great texts of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He, in all his Pasta Wisdom, granted this land NOT to the Jews, and NOT to the Palestinians. He granted it to his loyal Pastafarian followers, who will one day, return to their PROMISED LAND, and rejoice in our spaghetti wonderland we will create for ourselves.

I sent you a longer response to your question which didnt make it for some reason.So here is the short version.Dever takes the postion that most of the earliest Israelites were cannanites in desperate circumstances who fled the oppressive Egyptian Cannanite sytem in the lowlands to found a new society more in line with their intrests as oppossed to other who claim the majority of ancient israel should be seen as coming from outside of Cannan.This is a long and going dispute and Dever makes a good case for his point of view as well as giving an honest and good appraisal of the counter trends in the field.Reagrds

Herod was an Idumian Arab who converted to Judaism. Palestinians were in Palestine as far as the name Palestine existed, about 3500 years back. Moses and the Israelites (not the Jews)never crossed the Sainai. There is not a single trace of Israelites in Palestine.

The Holy Land is crammed with the most amazing historical sites. The interest on Talkback in this story shows that tourism has the potential to become the biggest industry in the region, for Israelis and Palestinians alike, if there was peace. The absence of peace and goodwill is a crying shame.

"that will bring more tourists to Palestine". - Sure, if your vacation plans include being kidnapped, tortured, and shot in the back of the head. No doubt, with Iraq and Iran, future spring break American studends will flock to Palestine, to witness on site such attractions as filling up babies with bombs, hanging gays publicly, and training for suicide bombers. On a more reasonable note, anyone with a brain understands that there will be no independent Palestinian state in the next 50 years. Palestinian autonomous territories will remain the poorest place in the world for at least a century. Already most countries in sub-Saharan Africa are way richer than Palestine. At the rate they are going, they will soon surpass Haiti. The crime rate in the Palestinian territories, is one of the world's worst...The reason, I believe, is the avowed goal of Hamas, and many Palestinians - the extermination of the Israeli people, in the first stage, and the extermination of world Jewry after.

Less than 10 years later,in 169/168 BCE,the next Seleucid king Antiochus 4th Epithanes-best known from the story of Hanukka-and his armies entered Jerusalem,massacredits inhabitants,robbed the Temple treasury,and desecrated the Holy of Hollies. The appointment recorded on the "stele"appears to mark the beginning of Greek/Seleucid intrference in Jewish religious affairs,which eventually led to the outbreak of the Maccabean revolt 167 BCE.The Helenistic inscription from Israel,said James.S.Sneider,director of the Israel Museum,"Itcontextualizes the Second Book of Maccabees and provides an independent and authentic source for an important episode in the history leading up to the Maccabean Revolt,whose victorious conclusions is celebrated each year during the Jewish feastival of Hanukka".The eight-day celebration commemorates the rededication of the Temple after the Maccabee'victory over the armies of Antiochus 4th over 2,100 years ago. P/S Haaretz please put out.Thanks

"Is another Jewish Talmudic plot to fool the goyim afoot here? What do you think?" The innocence of all these believers is going to be massacred, I think.

who had perpetual hatred toward the jews/israelites.he was pro-roman , the son of a man from idumea[edom].the roman senate made him king and gave him soldiers to seize the throne.as a friend and ally of the romans' he was not a truly independent king;however, rome allowed him a domestic policy of his own...

Herod was a deeply unpleasant and cruel man, by any standards, who murdered his wife, some of his children, and other family members as well as many others. However, there is no evidence whatsoever apart from "Matthew" to suggest that he massacred any children in the way you describe.

...Israel. But that does not mean that they can claim it today. If their claim is good, why not the Turks, Syrians, Italians, Greeks...all these nationalities, and a few hundred more,who have also lived there

Dear Sirs, could we please see some pictures of the fragments of the coffin of the king? I understand it was of a rare type in its day. with thanks and compliments, aage hauken, o.p.

get no fight from me. I Love Him, whatever He says...goes. I am looking to the day when I am among only those who feel the same. And looking to the day I know He rejoices over His own without anger or sorrow. This is something we should all be praying for. If only we wern't so busy seeking our own happiness, we could seek God's happiness. Then our own would just be.

fetched.Remember that the Philistines(mentioned in the OT) were in that region for a long time.There are approximately 3o + Philistine sites in Palestine.They are peoples from the Iron age and they introduced iron to Palestine.The Greeks and Romans west of the Levant called it the land of the Philistines(Palestina). Now, if you look at the sacrophagus of Herod it was obviously built in Greco Roman style.This style has ;many features borrowed from the ancient Philistines, who persisted for a long time in Palestine and eventually like many of the other tribes converted to Islam in the 7th century.

the edomites,the modern palestinians belong to edom[the modern jordan].you know how the edomites were/are -they wanted/want the land that didn't/doesn't belong to them.the muslims want to rule the world,but they can't politically according to them.

We have lots of evidence, including the archeology...over and over again...ancient synagogues, ancient graves - everywhere Around israel. Where is your proof????? Historical? Archeolgoical? Legal??? We even have a famous historian from the 1st century...Josephushttp://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/index.htm Rhetoric does not count as evidence.

Have any of you read of the recent 2,200-year old Greek-inscribed stone block that provides unique insight into the background to the Maccabean Revolt has been inveiled at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. The newly deciphered stele apparently came from the area between the Judean Hills and the Mediterranean.it was uncovered years ago but its historic content was unknown intil recently. It represents new information about Heliodorus,who,according to the Second Book of Maccabees,received orders to seize the treasure in the Temple in Jerusalem,but was driven from the sanctuary by miraculous appearance of a fearsome horsman acompanied by two mighty youths.Documents a correspondence in ancient Greek between Heliodorus and king Seleucus 4th,ruller of the seleucid Empire from 187/175 BCE,in which Seleucus announces the appointment of an administrator to oversee the sanctuaries within the province that included the Land of Israel.Conti,P/S Haaretz put out time consuming work...

This is great for the Pals, this will bring more tourist to Palestine when a state is established...this place is way deep within the territories