Arab states unanimously approve Saudi peace initiative

That descendents of German Jews killed by the Nazis have the right to return to their ancestral homes. Not so. When I went to Austria and visited the home where my cousins had lived, I was told that Jews never lived there. Polish Jews trying to return to their homes immediately after the war were killed. Even as recently as 1980s, descendents of Polish Jews were told that Jews had never lived in the towns that their families came from and the town records documenting their families ownership of the lands had been destroyed.

you can't be more right!! Exactly as you've stated. Hamas and Fatah are the exact reasons there is no peace. Israel is the reason for one democracy in the ME. Hamas would go for Israel first, then USA and the west. IF they could, which they can't, even w/ Obama.

looky who's jumped on the "i'm-a-racist-can-you-tell?" bandwagon. good old ben jabo in shining colors! i hope you're a woman ballistic!; because i love you! hell...i love you even if you're not! you know you got 'em running when they have to fall back on their basic predjudices to attack you! which also explains their ignorant views concerning the palestinians...and i can imagine just about anyone who isn't a jew. and luckily... those with their mentalities only number a few they represent no one; least of all the jews that they ARE satan's litter they cannot elude hiding their inadequacy with the poison they spew... among all races and nations and creeds... there lurks hidden vermin such as these... for all their claims; they're judged by deeds... futile and lame; they're the devil's seeds... keep 'em running, ballistic! and ben; i'd asked in my last post if you let others think for you. don't bother answering: this post of yours already did.

The saudi peace plan is a plan to destroy israel. In 1967 and 1973 they tried to destroy israel militarly - they failed. And now arab peacemakers promise peace in case israel does withdraw from territories conquered in the last war.., and in case Israel soes open its borders to millions of palestinians. In other way : They recognize Israel if Israel stop being Israel and does get flooded by millions of palestinians.

it's only an ARAB consesus, doesn't allow for Israeli input. It's not a "Consensus" when it's a one-sided arrangement, forcing Israel to return to '67 lines. Those very lines were the ones Israel was at when she was attacked in '73. Acceptance of refugees, by all means, Jordan is Palestine, house them there.

on this other talkback... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/842503.html sighhhh... i'll have you know i spent alot of time... searching online... finding a good source... to enlighten your mind... cuz i love you, of course... and want you to see the light...

that's why Jesus said that in John 8:44 ye are of your father the devil(a liar,murderer,etc)--we people do all these(break the ten commandments all the time-you would say,I've never murdered anybody,but if you get angry with someone without a cause you already murdered him or her)...nowadays, christians are acting like satan's children,aren't they? we ruin our testimony,that's why people doubt our christianity...

now how could i forget that ben, when you and a few others keep repeating it monotonously over and over again. do you ever think for yourself; or do you always let the 'jewish virtual library' or someone else think FOR you? and reading this post, for reason it suddenly dawned on me why you and your fellow (*ahem*) thinkers always use the term "arabs" and never the "palestinians" when you do so. can't believe it never occured to me before because once i caught on...it so obvious. but hey; about the great news. isn't it wonderful that there is a consensus among all the arab countries to accept israel and recognize her? everything that israel has claimed it wants for the security of its existence is being offered, and all she has to do is what has always been "the right thing". the reasons for her aggression... oh ummm...i meant to say defensive posture... have will be removed if she agrees... no excuse not to now...right? i think we should celebrate, ben...shall we? salud, ben!

don't you?....you see even these pharisees(religious leaders) didn't understand Jesus.. what He meant..john 8:43 why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word...as I told you,Word of God is spiritually discerned...you did not even understand the verse I gave you..in galatians 3:26...if you're not a true christian you're still in bondage of sin,it doesn't mean I am sinless...I still sin, but God gave a promise to us, christians..it is found in 1 John 1:9... I'll take you to--romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.(slave to sin-I became free when I became a christian)..proverbs 14:12 there is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof. are the ways of death..psalm 51:5 behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."..romans 5:12 werefore,as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin;and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:....

Typo: should have been "Satans Child", all else remains the same. I'm rather glad that your mommy was able to identify the father, in so many instances that can't be done. You want a cite for Hebrew Slavery, GOOGLE "JEW IN EGYPT", tomb carvings.

Why shouldn't I have repeated what Jesus said and I gave you the cite. What is Jesus talking about and why? Don't give me another cite, what is he talking about in that cite. He says Satan has children. Well, if Jesus didn't lie, who are those children, and, more importantly who was Jesus talking to when he said it and who did he say it about? If you wanna talk bible, let's talk bible. I am not ignorant of what is in it and what is not. Be fair! You say you are and have been a bible student and if you are gonna proselytize people, you need to forthrightly answer their questions, and there are many thinking people have. God gave us minds to use. So, deal with Jesus talking and then we can go on with what you now cite. Was Jesus talking out of his head talking about Satan or his children or what? Regards.

My Dad is Eddie; who is "Stan"? I thought you were not 'speaking' to me, so what brings you around a day late? Now, whenever were YOUR people slaves anyplace? Send me a cite for enslavement of YOUR people. You will have to talk to Barry Goldwater aka as Danite about this slavery stuff. Look over this thread and see their posts that I responded to. I guess, according to you, they have 'hangups' as this thread is about you and the Pals. Send them a message and tell them black slavery is not on the table as it would be most appreciated. You and yours are hung up on the horrors of the holocaust since you and yours from Europe and the USSR were not slaves anywhere, just as Sadat told CNN. "There is no history of BEGIN'S PEOPLE EVER being enslaved in Egypt". Arabs and Jews financing the slave trade both engaged in it here in the US and around the world, so what? Post Barry and Danite for me after you read the above and then post me as to who is hung up on what. Regards

irgun leader begin stressed his desire to avoid civilian casualties. in fact,the plan was to warn the british so they would evacuate the building before it was blown up. three tel.calls were placed, one to the hotel, another to the french consulate, and a third to the PALESTINE POST, warning the explosives in the king david hotel would soon be denonated.on july 22, 1946, the calls were made. the call into the hotel was received and ignored.begin quotes one british official who supposedly refused to evacuate the building, saying:WE DON'T TAKE ORDERS FROM THE JEWS.as a result, when the bombs exploded, the casualty toll was high:total of 91 killed and 45 injured. few peole in the hotel proper were injured by the blast.for decades the british denied they had been warned.in 1979, however, a member of the british parliament introduced evidence that the irgun had indeed issued the warning.the officer who overheard the the conversation(warning)immediately left the hotel and survived.

or just regualar crimes.........remember jews are just like us.........but suicide bombing,hijacking,bombing for no reason---are not normal....is this the one,lakshmi:MYTH:THE IRGUN BOMBED THE KING DAVID HOTEL AS PART OF A TERROR CAMPAIGN AGAINST CIVILIAN.....HERE'S THE FACT:the king davil hotel was the site of the british military command and the bcid. the irgun chose it as a target after british troops invaded the jewish agency on june 29, 1946, and confiscated large quantities of documents. at about the same time, more than 2,500 jews from all over palestine were place under arrest.the information about jewish agency operations, including intelligence activities in arab countries, was taken to the king david hotel.a week later,news of massacre of 40 jews in a pogrom in poland reminded jews of palestine how britain's restrictive immigration policy had condemned thousands of death.irgun leader begin stressed his desire to avoid civilian casualities. to be continued...

undergrad and professional degree, how about you? You are either a poor typist or poor speller, which is it? My degree included philosphy courses on the way to the BA and that fact is what tells me what the rah rah posters, like you, are pushing is BS! Besides, I am a woman, and your calling me illiterate is clearly a case of two pots calling a kettle black. You are squatting on Pal land; that is factual. What you are pushing is the BS in attempts to justify large scale theft by usurpers! Push it to your illiterate friends. Regards.

Will Israel accept the hand of Peace?Unfortunately,Israel today lacks a visionary Leader with a long term interest of its people.Israel is governed by politicians who are only keen to preserve their chairs in the senate. Middle Eastern political dynamics are changing rapidly,to the disadvantage of Israel.Treating Palestinians as subhuman beings similar to the old South Africa, depriving them of their basic human rights and killing innocent civilians on a routine basis applying the flimsy excuse of defending Israelis no longer carries weight with the international community apart from some members of present US Administration. Peretz/Beilin must force an early election with a peace now platform,accepting the Arab Peace Plan in its totality with the proviso that the refugees issue must be settled in a manner that will preserve the Jewish character of Israel.I believe the Arabs have made a genuine attempt at peace but fear Israel will resort to its old trick of dissecting the agreement

if you're not a born again christian--you are one of them.................................. read galatians 3:26....for ye are all the children of God --------here's the catch------ BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS(I DID NOT SAY IT).you really want to go deeper and deeper that only God can answer some of your questions...jews are just like us with sinful nature...if we were alive during that time we might do the same as well......Hebrews 11:1,3..now FAITH is the substance of things hoped for , the evidence of things not seen.through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear..................ABOUT PROPHECY read the books of daniel,ezekiel,and revelation.I'm sure you bible has reference---for example:hebrews 11:1---references are:romans 8:24,2 corinthians 4:18...it seems to me you're well-educated....I'm not well-educated, but I love to read books.

You are a perfect example of Stan's child. An overwhelming bitterness that your tribal leaders sold your ancestors to Arab traders, for export and slavery in the new world. Jews were sold into slavery long before you were, however, it didn't or doesn't take up our every thought. Do you really think that by kissing up to the Arabs that they'll refund the passage money paid for shipping your ancestors?

How can one teach a prejudiced man some logic?Impossible!!. Perhaps u should go in for a degree in Logic either in a math dep't or philosophy dep't. Then some 5 yrs from now w'ell talk again. I want u to remain stupid; dont take my advise!!

Read John 8:44 with Jesus talking to the Jews; he tells them that they are liars as is their father Satan. Why would Jesus say that in scripture? God has children and Satan has children doing respective work for each. It is rather presumptuous of you to say you have the sole line as to what will happen, however, when it does, we will all witness it. If Jesus accused the Jews he was talking to as being like their father, Satan, and a liar, what are you talking about? Gee, if you follow the bible, follow it. No need to go to other people's interpretation of it, is there? Again, who were the sons of God and who were the daughters of men? What is mankind? Man is an absolute term, so why would you need to talk about a "kind" of "man"? You need to study a tad more I fear, but I would like to hear your explanation for any of these questions. Faith is not a substitute for common sense when something written for your benefit cannot be explained to yourself in your own mind, is it?

the true christians won't see that when it happens...they will be raptured before that war.yes,gog and his allies(russia and muslim countries)will invade Israel and are decimated by God(see Daniel 11:40-45;ezekiel 38-39)....muslims believe in the prophecy of gog and magog, they appear to be totally ignorant of the fact that all nations in Ezekeil 38 that will be destroyed by God are muslim nations today, with the exception of russia.

Since your posts consistently blame the Palestinians for violence,but make no reference to Israeli violence one has to assume your partisanship. Saying you had a good personal relationship to Arabs is like people who say they have friends among blacks but deny them civil rights. And oh,how about saying that the attackes on Jewish civilians will end when the Occupation ends? Or are you incapable of thinking that Muslims can also be peaceful ? I have seen too many Israel supporters pass the buck when it comes to Israel.Until you come out and say that Palestinian violenc will end when the Occupation ends you'll remain a partisan,in my book.

matthew henry's commentary--just type it in,it will take you there....I only use kjv.

HE will come when you least expect it.when someone wants to rob your house,he won't call you,get ready,I will rob your house today....If Jesus gives us exact date and time when he comes,let's say tomorrow at 12 midnight,oh I still have few hours left to party or something. read these verses...1 corinthians 15:52;1 thessalonians 4:16,17.... acts 1:11 which also said, ye men of galilee, why stant ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.....................

I thought you were a serious student of the bible. I am reading the same one you are reading and my question about sons of God and daughters of men may be found in Genesis 6:1. After you look at it, explain that to me. Regards.

during or before the flood.these people were destroyed....you know what,questioning things like this won't get you anywhere....why don't you just believe and have faith in Him....you will understand the Word of God if you have the Holy Spirit in your heart...because the Word of God is spiritually discerned...1 corinthians 2:14 but the natural man(not born again christians) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.... ....I thought you're a mormon when you mention sons of god and daughters of men----mormornism embrace the teaching on: that they will become gods,that lucifer and jesus are brothers;eternal marriage.......you see satan is real---he can blind people so that they will believe LIES....he's very busy because he knows his time is near.you see in this world in our generation:christians are minorities---we let satan win and let down our HEAVENLY FATHER.

sons of God.....are you a mormon or something? and your prophet is joseph smith?

to 21: Typical american Moron. (Small a big M)Eat any good books lately? As long as its in the US of A's interests to stir things up in the region there will never be peace. The sooner Israel dumps the "honest broker" and makes peace locally with its neighbours the better.

Stolen, hardly, conquered YES!. Arabs had a chance for a state in '48, they chose to attack instead. Again in '56, '67 & '73. I would like to see you go to a casino, place a wager, lose and demand your money back. You might try to, but any normal person wouldn't. Arabs are demanding a return to '67 lines, then why in the devil did they attack in '73 when Israel was at the '67 lines?

Israel's nukes are probably a reality. Enemies nukes, at this point in time, are a dream. If push comes to shove and Israel has no alternative, the end result will be devestating.

Hamas may have provided social services but it was first and foremost an armed gang of fanatic islamists intent on killing Israeli civilians. They were heard on video chanting and vowing to regain even Tel-Aviv, after Jerusalem, Haifa, Acco etc. You make them out to be a peaceful, harmless lot. You probably do not speak Arabic and do not know them well enough.

Danite? No matter, yes, failure to accept responsibility for anything, no matter how readily apparent doing so would be appropriate and crying wolf all the time appear to be something taught and handed down. After a while evolution just chucks it right on over into the genes. How else can you account for a whole people who cries antisemitism (which includes Arabs) to each and every criticism, written or spoken? Victimhood has become a way of life, apparently.

"respect a smart thief", I thought you were gonna talk about zionists stealing Pals country, but instead found out that it was a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Regards.

they make perfect sense to me. You beg the question as to whether God can make a mistake or change his mind. Changing one's mind and mistake are attributes which are mutually exclusive of god's attributes, aren't they? Perhaps God didn't change his mind about incest because the bible says the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair. So, who are these folks existing who saw Adam and his children since they were supposed to be the first? The universe in billions of years old, so where does the bible and "mankind" come into play? In fact man is millions of years old based on fossils found. How do you account for that? Regards.

believe in the bible? What I don't believe is the literal interpretation many give to it like Jonah being in the belly of a whale. I am also not an antisemite, which, by the way includes Jews and Arabs. I do believe that a war will take place in the ME, according to the bible, it will be Gog and Magog, yup, they will fight a mighty war. You apparently are one who muddles up antisemitism and justified criticism of bad actions by Israelis whereby you throw them together as though they are roughly equivalent;they are not. I use the word "heathen" to encompass those who profess to believe in God, however, their actions are not at all consistent with any of the teachings of the prophets; hence a heathen. The survival of the Jews, and their eventual expulsion from nations of the world at one point or other, had little if anything to do with what you are talking about. I am sure you are well aware of the charges underlying their expulsion and had little to do with scriptures.Regards

Hey, just ignore my posts to Danite and Barry Goldwater, who are the same person. Seems they have been throwing american blacks into the blog as a diversion from the Pals issue. It really has nothing to do with the threads. However, I do agree with your statement. There were also many indentured servants. Regards.

There is one big factor that both of you seem to overlook. Taking back millions of Arab refugees is far more of a risk to the large majority of Israelis than the rejection of an Arab plan demanding the right of return. Compensation yes in some cases, but to admit such large numbers would be tantamount to suicide. I'm sure most sensible people would agree, especially if they realise that just as many Jews were expelled from arab countries.

many events in the Bible are literal and you have to take it literally unless it tells you otherwise.Joseph was sold into slavery because his family didn't like his dreams and they were filled with envy and even went so far as to kill him,but because of one of his brothers the killing didn't happen.God meant it for good even though his family meant it for evil. Yes, Jonah was in the whale's belly for three days and it was a picture of the Lord Jesus Christ. God has many holy and divine attributes and He can withhold divine judgement because of His love, but never take it for granted. People married their own family members long before the law of Moses came to protect against incest. God never makes mistakes and you can't prove that by your unbelief. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it useless as God will be true and every man a liar. You also can't wrestle with the scriptures because it will lead to your own destruction.

between Palestine and Germany will take a thesis to explain.But here's one point: Hamas,was a social service movement before it came to power and Palestine is under Occupation. And 2 wrongs don't make a right.Since the claim is that Israel is a democracy the criticism stands.No democracy today has a Law that inscribes inequality,whatever the social attitudes.

what you are suggesting.Not just Israel and Big Brother who can bomb people back to the Stone Age. Forget your infantile fantasies.Grow up.Respect the Rule of Law.The U.N. system is still prepared to accept you back.Otherwise,there will be a strong move to suspend you until you return to your senses. In case, you have not noticed,Israel has become a pariah state in the world community.Get real.Grow up.

I can't not say how wonderfully musical your name sounds to me! And, on top of it, is your very nice post! Best regards S PS - I am sorry I can't use my name too. This is because I live in Israel and need my privacy.

Despite your sympathy for the democratically elected Hamas (Hitler was also democratically elected, but that didn't make him any less of a tyrant and a monster), you surely would not want the Israelis to conscript arab citizens and make them fight their brothers across the green line ? I would agree that Arabs in Israel may not be equally treated as Jews but there has been progress and things will only change for the better when there is peace. Have you considered how Jews were treated in the Arab countries ? Were they allowed to work in Government or join the army ? No, they were made to leave.

Hi. Sorry, I have not seen any response. Did I miss it ? As indicated in another post, my main comment on the Arab peace plan is : it will not be easy to discard it because it complies to all UN resolutions.

You are definitely right. The Arab league makes a peace offer that conforms to all UN resolutions (and which was even suggested by Israel in 1967). The Arab countries agree on the issue, which is exceptional. Hamas will have no choice but to join later (at least they do not oppose it now), including for economic reasons. The rest of the world considers it a good plan to end the conflict. The game is on Israel's side. If Israel rejects the Arab plan, she will bear the responsibility. There will be another war.Israel knows she cannot win all the wars, and she cannot afford to lose one.

hosting under medias coverage one by one all arabs states with no borders with Israel , and evaluate the chances of peace treaty with each , Such Israel move could neutralise the radical position that Arabs states collectively foster against Israel when they gather , such Israel action could neutralise arabs states collectively adopted threat of wars if no peace , Such Israel action could signal to arabs States as a whole that Israel cannot accept in principle Saudia initiative in its current format as refiled thru this Ryadh summit, Such Israel action could signal to arabs States as a whole that Israel is searching for ways to peace without arabs threats of war , that Israel isn't ditching the peace movement but rather searching for ways to build it , it is a legitime Israel right that cannot be denied and neither rejected , it is a valid , legitime Israel right to do so , If arabs states refuse , it is an other matter , but it cannot be said that Israel ditched ways to peace

ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TOO THE RETURN OF THE IDF IN LEBANON???YOUR POST SAYS IT ALL, UNTIL YOU ARABS GET BLOODSHED OUT OF YOUR HEAD YOU CANT EXPECT ISRAEL NOT TOO DEFEND HERSELF,LAST SUMMER WAS CHILDS PLAY COMPARED TOO WHAT WE CAN REALLY DO TO YOUR FAVOURITE BUDDIES THE HEZBOLLAH!!!

This test is irrelevant because you can use it for many existing countries, from Lebanon to Bosnia and from Bangladesh to Burkina Faso... BTW, Charles Martel was no friend of the Jews. I suggest that you read more about him. I can give you a author's name.

Hamas "has no problem" with the parts of the Arab peace plan that liquidates Israel (the right of all Palestinians to immigrate into Israel) . They "only" disagree with the very existance of the state they are making peace with. This is utter drivel. Saudis and Arabs in general, can't be friends with God and the devil and expect Israel to bear the consequences. Moreover, they say to Israel: "take it or face our warlords". It's the Arab world which doesn't want peace yet, because ultimately and fundamentally, they fail to recognize the right of the Jewish people to have a Jewish State in its historical, original land.

He was the enemy of the Muslims and the Jews, a figure of the Spanish reconquista. Why do you use his name ?

Quite telling your: "Yesterday the most important newspaper in Switzerland had as title : "Arab League renewing its offer for peace in exchange for land to Israel". Tomorrow there will most probably be the head- line: "Israel rejecting or at least ignoring the Arab league" offer. What should the average Swiss (European) reader think about that?" What can we Israelis, and Jews in general, expect from titles like that in Switzerland's media?? Fair handling? Or, just congratulate the few Dinos who are not antisemites and understand our plight?

Israeli arabs can enroll in the army,and some like the Druze get drafted,an elite IDF unit comprising of Druze only had the highest Hezbollah body count last year in lebanon,and to your suprise they also vote, an arab village nearby had a turnout of likud as the party of choice!so take your apartheid in your backside!

In fact, it does no such thing. The resolution does not state or imply or "order" any particular sequence of actions by either side.

1. "Haniyeh of Hamas abstained in the vote." 2. The Plan calls for "a just solution to the issue of Palestinian refugees". 3. "Javier Solana, urged Arab states Wednesday to be flexible in their land-for-peace offer to Israel". 4. " he (Solana) called the Arab initiative a general concept that has to be developed. He urged the Arabs and Israel to deal with the plan as a starting point in negotiations rather than a take-it-or-leave-it proposal. The important thing is to get the negotiations started. In any negotiations there are changes in positions, because negotiations are like that," Solana told... 5. "Arab League chief Amr Moussa urged Israel to accept the initiative rather than ask for changes." What transpires? Hanyeh's abstaining denies the entire ultimatum. Therefore a counter proposal is possible. If Hamas doesn't accept it (as a basis for negotiations), and Hamas still represents Palestinian people, then we go ahead with our lives and they with theirs.

Sorry Brad,old darling but we all know that the Jews WERE NOT there first and left quite a few times didnt they ? Nathan.

to be honest, I was not expecting such a negative response, as if nobody wants peace. They all want to the worst case scenario. All the years we have seen that Egypt and Jordan have kept their end of the bargain, so one would therefore assume, that the other Arab states would do likewise. Finally, it comes down to one simple question do you want peace not? All the news that were nationals of other countries have the right to return there whenever they choose, they get compensated for the land they left behind. Why should it be any different for the Palestinian refugees?

relegating Israel to the aushwitz border, right of return, which is the destruction of Israel- and partitioning of Jerusal-em. WHAT A ABSURD JOKE!!!!!! This is not negotiation, it's the reiteration of the same thing, the attempt to destrooy the jewish state, through ceremonial deplomacy and empty promises.

Hey Ballsy-istic Did I read you right? Were you espousing that jews are genetically inclined towards victimhood? From your posts I take it you're African American. Wow! Watch where you sling those pseudo-scientific theories. If there's nothing else that Jews and African Americans have in common then it's the fact that they've been victims of shitty pseudo-scientific racist theories - like yours. I think you better slow down there, cowboy. Someone might think you're an anti-semite.

As you may have noticed, this type of software doesn't have very frequent upgrades. That's because it's a cheaper version of the ultra-RRW model, which originally was not even compatible with our lynux-based operating system (universal bating-capable). For the more recently released advanced version, see the kathy poster, now in beta testing. Not bad, ha? We are evolving, you know and got plenty of financial backing for out R&D operations. Them left-wingers better get some reinforcements - that old-fashioned 'reason' software is so passe!

is terror industry in line with Islam martyrdom schools of thought , Pals failure to rise to today's challenges has put their Mideast's part future at risk , consequently pals exodus with Al Aqsa Dome of the Rock stones back to Mecca is an open table option , Olmert's failure to adopt such option should be viewed as if Olmert has ditched Zionism movement operations , Consequently Zionism train of human and economic development is hindered by Olmert , Subsequently , Olmert same as Abbas is using pals as human shield for Olmert's own midget interest guided by Olmert's shortsightedness , who has ditched Zionism movement operations , hinders Zionism train of human and economic development ,

As you may have noticed, this type of software doesn't have very frequent upgrades. That's because it's a cheaper version of the ultra-RRW model, which originally was not even compatible with our lynux-based operating system (universal bating-capable). For the more recently released advanced version, see the kathy poster, now in beta testing. Not bad, ha? We are evolving, you know and got plenty of financial backing for out R&D operations. Them left-wingers better get some reinforcements - that old-fashioned 'reason' software is so passe!

Would you please use your influence to get FM Livni and other Israeli diplomats to use "comply" instead of "respect", "honor" or other weasel words in describing the Palestinian commitments made in past negotiations. It's typical ME to renig on yesterday's agreements. So, keep their noise to the previous agreements with "comply" and not "honor", "respect", etc.

isreal better start thinking hard and fast... cuz this is hard to justify if you pass... an offer of peace and complete recognition... as long as you return what you have stolen... that's like everything israel "claims" that it wants... PLUS forgiveness for the crimes of its past! what more could anyone ask? time to play your cards and show your hand... your bet's been called; will you play or pass? don't be surprised everyone... if israel CREATES an incident to sidestep the proposal offered here...

So while the Jews are dying by the thousands eh? Well, lets make things plain. If the Israelies decided, by tomorrow morning, there would be little left of the entire Islamic world. And by the way, there is no legitimate peace treaty being offered. As to the Arab world taking what is rightfully theirs, that certainly doesn't include Israel or Palestine. The Jews, my dear were there first and never left. Those who could stayed to guard their birthright and the bulk that left, left involuntarily. Sound familiar. The truth is the PALS are squatters and the Arabs the most imperliastic and hegemonic peoples that have ever roamed on earth. Israel is just another place to overun. Kiwigirl, your the racist and so, so uninformed or are you just another example of deception &/or self deception that the Arab world has mastered as an art?

Maybe you should read Ezekiel Chpt 38 and 39 to understand more about the situation in the middle east. Yes,I believe a greater war will come in the middle east no matter how man tries to make peace. As a heathen and a Jews hater you will want to know how "some of the Jews" will perish in this greater war we call " Armageddon". But in this war Israel will suffer great losses but Israel's enemy will be totally wipe off. Off course, Ballistics, you will not believe the bible,but don't you want to know how" some of the Jews will perish (133,000 or 1/3 of the people of israel in modern day translation)" in this war but ultimately the God of Israel will still keep the rest of them. Ever wonder why,a small nation like Israel could survive all these years with all its enemies surrounding them and a "burdenstone' to the world??????? You are a smart person,figure it out or maybe it's very difficult for an intellectual mind to understand!!!! Regards

and peace on arabs terms equal Saudia initiative wich is for Israel to be democratically ruled under Arabs billion majority meaning Islamic dhimmis laws since secular Islam doesn't exist , So what happens when Arabs loose war, past experience shows that arabs keeps on coming back and threaten of war if no peace and peace on arabs terms equal Saudia initiative cause arabs think thet can win war , So why is it when Arabs armies and terror groups unite in war/terror against Israel , no one say disproportional use of force , no one speaks about violation of human rights , And why is it when Israel defend itself against Arabs armies and terror groups united in war/terror against Israel , Arabs and Co. shout disproportional use of force and violation of human rights ect... and make sure to abusively adopt a series of UN resolution taken against Israel ect... and yet despite worldwide condemnations everyone surely was glad with IDF operation against Iraq-Osirak and Entebbe hostages rescue, , Arabs-muslims -sunnis surely were glad that IDF punished shiite-nassarallah-hezbollah and yet they all say hezbollah won , but they say nothing to Siniora who let Hezbollah rearm and they neither say nothing to Siniora about jihadism upsurge in Tyre-Lebanon , , ,

Sara,you are wrong. Israel and US are the only countries that dare to stand up to Islamofacism/terrorism. That's why you are still free to bash Israel/US today!!!!!

Hey, I looked at that poll, but it is not new; that 5-1 figure you cited is based on a very small pool of folks (less than 1,000) and is almost a year old. Is there one for 2007? If what you are citing is from 2006, and given the small sample, the poll may or may not be useless; esp with new peace plan. Regards.

After you attack a country in order to annihilate its people because you disagree with the first UN resolution that started it all, you lose your right for call yourself a victim and there is no turning the wheel back. Hey, we will try to cut the Jews? throats and destroy them because we oppose the UN partition resolution, but if we lose, we will be able to call ourselves victims and go back. IN YOUR DERAMS! There is no precedence to this. Aggressor countries knew that they will pay a price if they lose. Period. Germany lost a quarter of its territory (occupied by France, Baltic republics, Poland, and more) and they lay no claim to it because in every other place in the world this is the way it works. In the Middle East Arabs can try to kill you and ask for everything to go back as if nothing happened ? or they will kill you. In all your examples the victims did not try to annihilate their neighbours.

I take my hat off to the Saudis. They pulled off a swift one on the diplomatic community. They created a unity gov't under whose cloak many Jew hating countries will do business with Hamas. They r advertising themselves and all Arabs, including Hamas and Hezbalah , as peace lovers. And they get even a nice Jewish guy like T Friedman to recommend it. But it is treachery, without a doubt.The only thing that might be true about the offer is their threat of war. Dont be surprised if they try one jointly in the near future under the banner of rejected peace by Israel.

1. You say: Israeli Arabs are not allowed by LAW to enroll in the army. They ARE and many DO (voluntarily). 2. You say 2 million Israeli Arabs. Just 1 million, give or take. 3. You say Hundreds of thousands killed. You are off by a factor of a hundred, whatever you mean there.

Plus, Panama is a beautiful place (and my place of birth), so it's not what I would call sad. "Organizations" reserve their work for refugees, which I am not.

Have respect for others even if they disagree with you. You have a right to your own view and support whichever party you may like but others do not necessarily agree with you!!!!

Israel has succeeded in uniting the Sunni Muslims and may even succeed in uniting the Sunnis and Shia behind a peace plan that Israel will have to treat seriously because the rest of the world (other than the US) will also treat it seriously. Even the US will have a hard time being too negative about the Saudi pace plan. So now what is Israel going to do? If Israel walks away, then basically it is saying we don't need any friends and bring on the war. The war will not happen immediately but it will happen and Israel will lose. The IDF knows this so maybe they should let the Israeli public know. Israel no longer has a weapons advantage nor does it have enough trained army to hold off an Arab attack for very long. The last option is nukes but that is just suicide as Israel will get nuked off the map in return. Checkmate Israel.

Are you kidding SA? It is the double standard of the Palestinian destroying peace EVERYTIME they blow up or kidnap an Israeli. Give me a BREAK! GOOD JOB Israel, for not giving in to these jokers. Quit being soft and stay the course Olmert. Plant a tree!

what will he look like? Bible says he will come as a thief in the night; that sounds like he will be undercover working his will, and given what is going on, he may already be here unbeknownst to us, right? Regards.

I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the bible. Look at the story of Joseph; his brothers sold him because he was a favorite and rightful heir of his father; of course, you know the rest of the story. Do you believe Johah was in a whale, or was he swallowed up in a country and circumstance? Hey, what happened to that other question you were gonna answer, which is "does God change his mind?" You said he permitted incest; then decided against it on account of birth defects. Perhaps he changed his mind about the holy land. Can God make a mistake or change his mind as you indicated he did with incest? Regards. Ballistic.

Camp David: "Barak offered to form a PALESTINIAN STATE initially on 73% of the West Bank (that is 27% less than the Green Line borders) and 100% of the Gaza Strip. In 10 to 25 years the West Bank area would expand to 90% (94% excluding greater Jerusalem)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_2000_Summit Taba: "The two sides agreed that in accordance with the UN Security Council Resolution 242, the June 4, 1967 lines would be the basis for the borders between Israel and the state of Palestine." http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/1/Israeli-Palestinian%20Joint%20Statement%20-%2027-Jan-2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taba_summit I watched this myself on TV. Are you really going to lie to me to my face? Oh yeah, I also met Dennis Ross (yes, the architect of Camp David) once and he doesn't agree with you. Stop spreading lies about my country and my people.

Also, NYT headlines have often been in error. What matters is what Einstein really said, not what the Times headline said.

Many were stolen; some were sold; you are absolutely right. However, you understand that sometimes your own people do not do things in their own peoples interest, right. What other fact could underlie Jewish financing of Hitler? So we all recognize shortcomings of our own and move on. Regards.

...if they are good in one thing it is that they would do anything to appease their masters in Washington & "Israel" in order to hold on to power.

it does not encompass right minded Jews; just those who think like you. As far Jews here, well, they are not brainwashed zionists and recognize you will have to unarse the land. In the meantime, they live their lives without nail biting. There are loads of Jews here who live with everybody else including Moslems. Didn't you read the Haaretz article which indicated Nevada Jews are not 'religious'. In fact, given the numbers here, there are few synagogues as the article pointed out and they are not heavily attended. This is sin city, dude!!! When in Rome, do like the Romans do.

See # 517, #530 and # 563.

Dear Swiss (Dino), I do appreciate your balanced and diplomatic positions usually, but I have to say that I am surprised at the conciliatory tone you adopt today in favor of Israel: the Saudi plan is a recall of UN resolutions and International Law. Why should this be negotiable? It is the lack of justice that pushes people in making what they believe is their own. On all sides.

There is no Right of Return for 20 million Germans to their homes in Russia (was E. Prussia), Poland, Czech Republic (was Sudeten) from which they were forcibly removed, AFTER WWII in 1945. There was no such condition put on Poland or Czech Republic when they joined the EU. Not even to pay compensation for the land, for well known reasons that apply equally to the Arab side. They not only started the war against Israel but also forced out all Jews from Arab/Moslem countries, with more in numbers and property then Pal refugees (who mostly left due to war threats from Arab armies).

"Are you referring to the rebel provinces of Judea and Samaria?" Hmmmm. Rebel Provinces? It's a novel argument, but can it hold water? Maybe. IF the modern State of Israel can prove prior sovereignty over them at some time in its existance. Let's see.... State of Israel, established 1948. Nope...not seeing sovereignty over WB or Gaza at independence. War of 48-49. Nope....not seeing Israel establishing sovereignty during that fighting. 1949-67. Nope. Most definitely not. 1967- . "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war". Sorry, Jeff. Can't see any time when THIS modern State of Israel ever had sovereignty over the Gaza or the WB, so there is no way they can possibly be "rebel provinces" of THIS state.

on a rather shakey premise, doesn't it? What makes you think Israel can chug along with the status quo? Peace with Egypt and Syria (but not their populations) is paid for by american tax dollars. Well, I don't agree with you that the situation will remain at the status quo, nope, cause when US leaves Iraq, and she will, whole different ball game. Better go for peace while it is offered. Catch that peace train. Regards.

What kind of "thinking" can underlie a demand that Israel first agree and then negotiate? What is there to negotiate once there is agreement. If the concept is agree in principle to territorial concession, some sort of East Jerusalem capital for the PALS and some sort of just solution for the refugees, then fine. Says so but be mind tha agreements in principal are guidelines, not agreements and hence need to be negotiated. Why don't the Arab States agree to Isreael's plan? Permit the creation of a peaceful state on historic Jewish lands where PALS & their goods can pass through Isreali territory. Then, after everyone has agreed with that plan, one can negotiate. There is another very serious problem of logic in the Saudi plan. The pay-off for Israel is peace but Hamas, the governing authority of the PALS refuses to accept the Saudi plan and at the same time is formally committed to the destruction of Israel. And, given its conduct, this is more than a formality.

Boy, Hannah is right. You are a brain washed desperate zionist. However, yeah for the mexicans; they are coming in, however, no nuclear war is contemplated nor are they sitting in the middle of 1.2 Arabs, big difference nor will oil be interrupted. Yeah for the Mexicans, you moron. We've never had a "mexican" I saw on here; they are too busy making an honest living. Get some help, why don't you? I'll tell the Mexicans to send you a UHaul coupon to move your junk sooner than they will be using it.

for Arab League/ Saudia initiative that plays with words in palace halls " , , , would a clue be that Olmert vows to oppose Homesh Istaelis-Jewish protest ,

This is nothing. They demand that Israel go back to where it was before they attacked her. They also demand that Israel fix the refugee crisis that was created by repeated Arab aggression by absorbing an huge Arab population, thereby commiting national suicide. Of course the Arab community agrees to this. Especially since half of the PA abstained, thereby claiming it agreed to nothing when it starts slaughtering innocent Jews. Again.

"We are at a crossroads, it is either we move towards a real peace or see an escalation in the situation." , , , Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal response to Olmert's painfull concessions policy , , , "If Israel refuses, that means it doesn't want peace. Then [the conflict] goes back into the hands of the lords of war." , , , Arabs response to Olmert's request about 1948 UN 194 = we all want to F...U first, say yes in principle than we talk price , , , Olmert's response to Abbas for Shalit kidnapping = 100M$ Thanksgiving gift , and Shalit is not release , , Olmert's restraint policy = response to pals weapons smugglin' and pals quassams rockets , , pals intimidation threats works against Olmert,

Whatever are you talking about? Overcome lumping hatred for Jews with hatred of their despicable behavior vis-a-vis the Pals. Haaretz does you and others a service and BTW it is a German-Israeli newspaper. If you wanted it to post only posts of congratulations between zionists on their complained of behavior, you should not have sold an interest to the Germans. It the BEHAVIOR, OCCUPATION that is complained of. Sadly you are one of many who feels ANY criticism of zionist terrible behavior is antisemitism. You guys have killed any viable response to an overused, every day charge. Israel's behavior will continue to be criticized; get used to it. Regards.

Are you joking? That's it; it must be a joke. Some humor is needed. Regards.

The Saudi proposal and as worded including a just resolution of rights of pre-1948 Palestinian residents, IS the success of the Zionist effort, and should be unequivocally accepted and adopted. It is simple. The only logic that would conflict with it is the logic that "all of the land is Jewish", which is both ludicrous from a civil perspective and ludicrous from a religious perspective, as the wording in Torah of promises of the land are consistently conditional on "keeping my commandments" and never unconditional. And by "my commandments", the assertions refer to the primary 10, and NOT whether one turns on a light on Shabbat.

For over a year you've been chanting some mantra about how it doesn't hurt for Israeli and Palestinian leaders to sit down and talk. Of all people who should be doing cartwheels--

you don't want to be left behind,do you?ballistic.....literally speaking-the promised land still belong to the jewish people.you have head knowledge of the bible,but it's not in the heart.don't worry about the jews.you'll be accountable for yourself.God will deal with them.don't tell me that if you see HIM face to face----and say to him---your own people don't believe in the MESSIAH so do I.someone already planted seed(the Word of God)in your heart...sadly,it didn't go to the good ground.it's not too late,isn't it?bush and condi are compromisers.remember:isaac was the promise one(son of the freewoman)---not ishmael(son of the bondwoman)--------(has spiritual meaning).the WORD OF GOD is really powerful,isn't it?----it offends people.

Washington, Jefferson and Minutmens was a terrorist group, with judeo-chritian roots.

Howdy Sara; There are about 1.4 million Arab Israelis and about 0.25 million Palestinians (mostly in East Jerusalem) who live within Israel proper. It is not surprising that there are different laws for the Palestinians who hold permanent residency status in Israel because they are foreigners (i.e., they do not have Israeli citizenship). Of the Arab Israelis (who do have Israeli citizenship) about 75% are Muslims, 15% Christian, and 10% Druze. Theoretically, all Israeli citizens have equal rights under the law. There are some exceptions, however. The biggest one is the mandatory draft at age 18 for both males and females into the IDF. Israeli citizens who are Muslim or Christian or who are divinity students or who are unfit for military service are exempt from conscription. Jews, Druze, Circassians, and I think Bedouins are not exempt. Anybody can enlist in the IDF including foreigners, Muslims, and Christians if they meet the requirements (being young and able to speak Hebrew helps

The Lords of Wars hijacked Mideast peace , Martyrdom schools of thought = The Lords of Wars , A conversation between 2 graduated students from Martyrdom schools of thought , A: lets go see movie , B: Nahhhh , don't want to , A: lets take a walk by the sea shore , B: Nahhhh , don't want to , A: lets go browse the mall , B: Nahhhh , don't want to , A: lets go to a concert , B: Nahhhh , don't want to , A: lets go to war , B: OK , , , Welcome to the 72 years old virgin heatlh care rehabilitation center

Many among the gulf states are terrified of the shia influence. Bahrain has a majority shia population. Their major concern is to reduce friction and to curb the shia influence. They are threfore trying to put their differences aside by embrassing hiz and hamas, and even the secular assad whose regime is responsible for the murder of pm hariri, a friend of the saudi king. They have nothing to lose, and everything to gain by putting forth this plan. Superficially, it presents them as peacee advocates, but as we all know, they have conceded nothing. They hope to placate their extremists, satisfy the palestinians, and yet also play the conciliator in the eyes of the western world. By the way, have you noticed who is absent today?

The beauty of having an ambiguous policy is that you never have to be responsible for anything related to that policy. And given the trust that generates amongst interlocaturs,perhaps there is NO responsibility taken for anything

If Einstein did not say the things in his New York Times Letter to the Editor, I apologize. I was merely quoting from an original Dec. 4,1948 New York Times letter which was given to me in 1953 by an Israeli historian when I took a course called 'The Analysis of Propaganda' in college. After researching on the Internet, I found the same article on: http://www.rense.com/general59/ein.htm It is identical to the one that I have in my possession in which the headline reads: Einstein Letter Warns of Zionist Facism in Israel.

First, if Arabs can criticize Jews, so can Jews critcize Arabs. I don't call every Arab who disgrees with me a racist. That's the cheap argument of a loser. I stand on my argument that Palestinians send other Palestinians on suicidal death missions and don't discriminate which Jews they kill or how they kill them. I also stand on the argument that the Palestinians try to delude the West into thinking they are offering a peace with a Jewish state and a Palestinian one when they are offering no such thing.On a personal basis I have lived in Israel and Canada and never had a bad relationship with any Arab whether at work, school or socially.

Are we to believe that the debauched Saudis, who refuse to allow any religion other than their own death cult to be practiced and who are THE purveyors and financiers of global terrorism (including 9/11) will be allowed to determine your future? Despite our governments appeasement of this deadly snake, Americans know who our enemies are and the Saudis remain on the top of the list. Their "sign this-or War" threat ought to be delivered to them to reform their hell-hole nation or lose their oil fields (and terror money) under occupation. Stop playing their games and prepare for battle- they don't want peace, only your destruction. Now that the terrorists have a government (and an address in Gaza), tell them the next time they fire their junk rockets at you it will be considered an act of war and any land captured from this point on will be kept- forever.Time to put someone "mean" in power like your defense minister or Netanyahu. ps-no,I'm not Jewish-sorry to disappoint you bigots.

but also to anti-Semitism, and they should be punished accordingly.

End Int'l blockade = maintenance of terror representation and infrastructure

You misspeak at every chance you get, yup, you do. Who do you think sold those slaves in Africa to the buyers? Yup, good old blacks, ballistic, yup, good old blacks. How about do some good for your own kind and leave the Israelis and the Arabs to themselves. Yup. yessirree you should.

"If you are so sure that "Palestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history" " And who is claiming that, Charles, except the zionists who want to put it up as a straw man so they can nock it down? People like you, for example. The USA has only existed for a few centuries. Germany isn't even that old. My own country is only a little over a century old, and the State of Israel has only been in existance since 1949. They all came about as a result of acts of self-determination, Charles. The Palestinians have that same right, and the fact of near-on 60 years of continuous occupation does not extinguish that right. The Palestinians can have a nation because the land is theirs, and a Palestinian State is what they want for their land. And the State of Israel can no more take that off them than the Kingdom of Jordan could prior to 1967. Simple as that, really, and your history quiz has no bearing on that reality.

Dear Sara: Thanks for your comment. It just confirms to me that critics of Israel have not idea what they are talking about. You are wrong in every statement you make. Arabs can buy land anywhere in Israel proper. (On the other hand by PA law it is a capital offence for a Pal to sell land to a Jew. Do you know what capital offence means? Death.) Arabs do not serve in the iSRAELI army because they would be placed in a situation where they would have to face brethren Arabs. They do not want to serve in the idf. And there was no ethnic cleansing. I know you are surprised about this one. That is because you (and many others) believe Arab lies. The Palestinian refugees are there from many causes but the main one is that they were asked to leave by the Arab governments to help their war effort. Please go get an education.

The Herut was disarmed as you say, but only after they won their freedom from the British. Perhaps it's freedom that Hamas wants. Also, the Herut party formally merged into Likud in 1988, so the adherents of Revisionist Zionism are alive and well. And lest the less educated Israelis and other readers of Talkback forget, Menachem Begin, a leader of this early terrorist group, was elected Prime Minister.

initiative says about Hamas " "They have ditched the movement of martyrdom operations - for a government that plays with words in palace halls," , , , Hamas quick to issue a statement of reassurance says " "We will not betray promises we made to God to continue the path of jihad and resistance until the liberation of Palestine, all of Palestine." , , , Abbas support the Saudi initiative and says a sea of peace that begins in Nuakchott and ends in Indonesia , he just conceals that Mecca deal put him under Hamas rule , , , at the Riyadh summit, , Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal says "If Israel refuses, that means it doesn't want peace. Then [the conflict] goes back into the hands of the lords of war , , , Osama Bin Laden's deputy Ayman al-Zawahri couldn't be more satisfied , no muslim has ditched his martyrdom operations , muslim 72 years old virgin's principal of Islam martyrdom schools of thought rules high ,

The series of meetings that Condie set up specifically exclude making progress towards peace. At least that's how I read the article. They'll discuss forms of governance and debate Jefferson vs Machiavelli, I guess.

Thank you very much, dear Gina. Regards, Cipora

By demanding that Israel committed demographic and economic suicide by accepting the "right of return" of those who willingly fled Israel as well as other non-starters, the Saudis are trying to appear as if they are actually doing something while giving nothing in negotiations. This is move by the Arab League to placate the West but give no real offer to Israel. Even as a starting point this "plan" is non-workable. The Road Map stipulated Palestinians crack down on terror groups in return for concrete Israeli steps. Palestinians have done none of it, just the opposite - the terror groups are the government, so any Israeli moves are futile since the other side's promises are empty.

"Oslo times, Israel provided the PA with weapons, trained its police officers, collected taxes for it and recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people. " And now withholds taxes, shoots PA policement, and refuses to talk to the PLO. Gosh! So much for the importance of prior agreements! "They also offered them a state in Oslo and Taba with recognition automatically implicit." Haha! "automatically implicit"!!! WTF is THAT? Israel did NOT offer statehood at Oslo. They offered semi-autonomy, and a *promise* that in the future (now the distant past) they would sit down with the PLO for final status negotiations. Same at Taba, only - so sorry, Arafat! - Israel took some of that promised autonomy back. But - heh! Cheer up, Arafat! - they still promised those final status talks. Real Soon Now. He went to his grave without Israel ever *actually* getting around to those promised final status talks. That the thing about zionists; they are all talk.

Howdy Vijaya; I didn't lose my temper. It's around here someplace. Ah yes, I found it. It was in my desk drawer underneath some miniature American flags. I'm not contemptuous of the UN General Assembly or of the International Court of Justice either, but they do not have the authority that you would ascribe to them. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was passed by the UN General Assembly and not by the UN Security Council which is why most countries simply ignore it. The biggest violators of the UDHR are communist and Islamic countries and not Israel. You still have not provided an international law which specifically states that all refugees from any armed conflict whatsoever have an "absolute" right to return to their places of origin after the cessation of hostilities. If such were the case, then there are hundreds of millions of displaced people who would like to know about it.

here? is there some purpose to allowing the overt Jew hatred from all those who post daily here under one, two and sometimes three different names ? What's the point? Is there some redeeming value we Jews are missing by this daily barrage here. We already know what they all think and they know what we think so what's the point except giving hope to these SOB's that they might change our minds and agree with them that we are cheats, thieves, murderers, terrorists, fascists, liars ? And now it seems you feel the need to post some of them a dozen times or more on a single thread. Its time to rethink this policy or perhaps just change the name of the newspaper to the Muslim Brotherhood Press so it all makes perfect sense.

...genocide,segregation, war crimes of unbelievable proportions, etc. Only a recist would point a finger at Islam while ignoring the (mostly Christian) slave trade involving millions, the genocides in the Americas and Africa,THE Holocaust, Rwanda,Bosnia, Srebonica, the devestaion of Iraq. Yes, Peter embrace the non-Muslims. Where will you go when THEY feel that you too are a threat?

the return of the ambiguous Saudi Peace Plan from over ten years ago! What's Abdullah Hussein doing bashing the USA? Hey Abdullah! Knock it off! Don't you know why you still sit on the throne?

No to the Peace plan? Then I guess the whole Arab world will have to take by force what is rightfully the Palestinians land. When your people are dying by the thousands you may wish you had taken this very reasonable peace plan. Palestine will settle into a type of democracy when they no longer have to line up at checkpoints, get beaten and shot for no reason, are able to export their goods and grow their economy, and build homes that will not be torn down at whim. Don't say you weren't warned. This is a chance to negotiate but the rabid racists on this forum are just the type to get you closer to war!

When Hamas first appeared as a charitable organisation (as it still is today)Israel tacitly supported it as a viable opposition to the PLO, and it's corruption. The Law of Unexpected consequences has come back to haunt Shin Beth. That is one problem Israel can't combat, both Hamas and Hizbollah are basically dedicated to social services, and they deliver....sure they often get off the track and dabble in militancy, but that is the way of the world.

Americans oppose giving land to Palestinians by a margin of 5-to-1, according to a new poll conducted by McLaughlin & Associates for the Zionist Organization of America. Add me to this list. In fact, I favor taking the Temple Mount away from the hands of those that say all infidels must die. Don't play ball with religious murderers! DOWN WITH ISLAMO-FASCISM!!!

the model and inspiration for bin laden's suicide bombers who hit the world center and all other suicide bombings and shootings since then is arafat and the so-called palestinians. giving them a state of their own will only enable them to really go after what they believe is theirs, namely: the entire region of palestine,including the kingdom of jordan. yes,they covet jordan as well. they tried taking jordan away from late king hussein. remember? he repelled them.there never was a palestinian state or a palestinian nation.in fact there are no PALESTINIANS.these are ARABS living in a region that, historically, has been called many things, including palestine.but there is no palestinian people.they have the same ethnicity, the same language, the same religion, the same culture, the same cuisine,etc.as all the arabs.the terrorists are not freedom fighters fighting for their palestinian independence. they are simply arab terrorists.

Greek cities unanimously approve Trojan Horse initiative. Arab states unanimously approve Saudi peace initiative. Greek cities unanimously approve Trojan Horse initiative. Greeks will not compromise. Troy must accept Trojan Horse.

A fake quote with no backing. Einstein seriously considered an offer to be President of Israel.

just recently as the government of Palestine. Their charter was there for all to see including the Pals and their syncophants. Herut was disarmed,get the difference?

If you are so sure that “Palestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history”, I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of "Palestine:" 1. When was it founded and by whom? 2. What were its borders? 3. What was its capital? 4. What were its major cities? 5. What constituted the basis of its economy? 6. What was its form of government? 7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat? 8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation? 9. What was the language of the country of Palestine? 10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine? 11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and try and find the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against other world currencies on that date. 12. Have the Palestinians left any artifacts be

I think people are just fade up with this on-going dispute. It is about time that both sides accepted the other sude?s right to co exist by their side and move on to build a better future for their future generations of both peoples. I think the Arabs led by the Saudis and Egyptians are serious about stricking a permanent peace deal with Israel. I hope Israel responds favourably. I reckon if the Jews and Arabs worked together they can transform the region into a great economic success. Ibrahim

When Saudis will give up Mecca Israel will give up Jerusalem. Salam

Saudi Peace yeah right! Help America fix Iraq.

They are not allowed by LAW to enroll in the army or to hold property except in certain locations.In today's democracies by Law ethnic minorities are guaranteed equal rights.Not in Israel.That is why it is not a democracy. As for Arab survival,this was not something Israel had planned for.Have you seen the recent state sponsored poll about whether there should be a 'transfer' of the Arab population? And I hope you are not denying that the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians did not take place.That would be a denial and a revision of history.'

Stop listening to all the crap coming out of their mouths. If they're really so interested in peace let them show it through *actions*. Israel withdrew from the Sinai desert. Israel withdrew from Lebanon. Israel withdrew from Gaza. The Arabs have repeatedly said they wanted peace but in actuality started wars. Let them keep talking until they're blue in the face. Until they *show* they want peace their words are meaningless.

You people are NUTS! You have no clue to histical facts! or an understanding of Islam! Get a clue you clueless!

Your two points are lame: they send naive people to their deaths.I hope you remember that one of these naive people was a paralysed old man sitting in a wheel chair which Israel dropped 3 rockets on from 3 planes.You don't understand their concept of Martyrdom because you only understand killing other people by people armed to the teeth and sitting in armoured trucks or dropping cluster bombs from airplanes on innocent people.You understand WAR and COLLATERAL DAMAGE,inflicted on other people.You do not understand someone killing himself/herself. As for deluding the West with promises of peace,you make me laugh.Does the West even know how to spell the word ? Let's face it.You are a refined racist,neverthless a racist.

Howdy Deborah; "The offer is there and it is now up to Israel to agree if it wants any hope of peace." Israel rejects the "generous" offer because it entails the destruction of the State of Israel via the infiltration of 4 million hostiles into Israel. "Israel cannot keep fighting wars" Why not? She has no other place to retreat to and if the Arabs keep attacking her, she has no choices but to fight back or surrender and she isn't going to surrender before a few million Arabs have been martyred by nuke first. "Occupation is immoral and unsustainable and something has to give." Are you referring to the rebel provinces of Judea and Samaria? China occupied Annam (North Vietnam) for over a thousand years between 111 B.C. to 906 A.D. An occupation may not be sustainable forever, but some occupations have lasted a lot longer than some countries or enpires have. Rethink your peace proposal!

just getting in. I will look at the poll, however, I won't bother if it is a Fox poll, although their last one was the same as the BBC one; I guess they could not fudge it. More than 60% of the americans are against the war now, many not before, and Congess by majority is against the war even though they voted for it. I guess your point is the glass is 2/5ths full and not 3/5s empty. I dunno know if Bush's veto can be overriden, but he has serious problems. Americans want OUT! OUT! OUT! Repubs are leaving Bush worrying about 2008; but he still has Barney (not Laura)!

I can use my own dialect and my language.....guess them--------magandang gabi....nanu nang oras?----bla,bla has meaning to you eh.hey forget it........................

and you are destructive of other peoples' property and infrastructure.You create thousands of refugees.You are the champion DEATH DEALERS. You call it WAR, oh yes COLLATERAL DAMAGE. When other people respond to this barbarism you call it TERROR.

Both Cipora & Mark Lincoln used the word 'ambigiuty' in their respective postings 14# & 179#. Isn't that the key word the coflict orbiting arround ? Ambiguity ! Erase Ambiguity from all this jabberish talk and you will find the sterling truth. But how one can do that ? Here,could be a flimpant suggestion. The West Bank & Jerusalem according to the principals of 'land for peace';those who lost the land should have it back like the Golan should go back to Syria; 'The West Bank and Jerusalem' should go back to Jordan. What the Palestinians have to do with it any way ? So, why Israel on the principal of 'call their bluff',test the water;and add a little bit of ambinguity; offer this land back to Jordan on the conditions that there should never be a Palestinian State on that land for ever.And the question of a Palestinan state will be burried to enternity ?Time to call their bluff and bury the idea of a Palestine. Palestine is a bluff & an ambiguity time to call the bluff.

You rely on the bible; okay. However, heathens do not rely on the bible, and the heathens involved will settle this one way or the other, without input from the bible UNTIL AND UNLESS Jesus returns. Course Jews know he will not be coming back. So, you preach and excuse us heathens, many of the posters included, for arguing the merits of the claim. The present day Jews have NO claim on the land, none. There may be some whose DNA descendants are from the Holy Land cause Jews and Arabs lived there PRIOR to a large influx from Europe and Russia of folks saying they were Jews. This has to be sorted out. The bible says descendants of Abraham will inherit, for those believing the bible. Descendants refers to a bloodline, not a simple, "hey I am a beneficiary". Let the heathens duke it out and you keep on preaching. Bush is not relying on biblical accounts for his Arab meeting, nope he is not. BTW, Christians say Jews must accept Jesus or perish, so what are you saying here? Regards

3 Enough of by now `blind & deaf` from both radical Islam scare within & Arab world long standing propaganda finally paying of enough dividends today, EU crowd showing signs it is ready for almost any Arab world `spin & bait`. 4 Another US president`s historic attempt at being the one to democratize ME. once that is achieved, there are ample pretexts could be found at any convenient time in the future to renege on any promises, `dress it up, pull the wool rug over world eyes once again,& try to blow up the gates`.

Peter hello I said you were wasting your time for the simple reason that this sara(lower case)is not a Jew and we know of the many who come here with spurious names.She difinitely is one of us,otherwise how can one account of her distorted and denigrating posts on the Israeli Governement and what she seems to imply in all the rantings in her posts. I just read one of hers and it was sufficient for me to form an opinion.I don't waste my time reading posts that are false and inacurate. Best wishes and advance Hag Sameach.

so who did God tell that to, you? Gpd apparently passed by Paul who says he is nonexistent. So, what are you selling and what is Paul selling? Paul says he has rights in the Holy Land as a squatter from Europe/United States, what is your claim?

Could have not state it any better. It does not take the genius to figure in the nutshell the situation behind the scenes here. Why such a strong push from the Arab world on 02 initiative of all things, 5 years later all of a sudden? So much had changed since then yet the initiative is strictly adhered to word for word with no changes allowed. Because they believe it is time & the best opportunity provided to see through the grand design part of `setting shop at the Israeli gate` with simply bunch of promises & no deeds that otherwise would have had to be insisted on, jeopardizing or greatly postponing the work of the `Israeli suffocating machine`, in addition to their own `Iranian threat` scare that can not wait much longer: 1 The very challenging & ominous for everyone threat from Iran 2 US `graceful` hold or exit strategy in Iraq, if US can persuade the Arab world on her image of an `honest broker` (there is one & only one course of actions US can take in order to do so).

What is up? Got your post; why do you use that cite; there are many sites under Google and I don't know if the Jewish Virtual Library is a reliable unbiased site, but I will look, along with other sites which pop up. Regards.

Now that the Saudis and other Arab countries have embraced a new peace initiative,all Israelis can go home and breathe easier.Jerusalem as the Capital for palestinians,and pre-sixty seven borders. How about the Israelis and the United States initiate their own plan.To the PLO,HAMAS and other terrorist groups.Lay down all your weapons once and for all,or we'll bomb you back to the stone age !Comply within 24 hours.

Forgive me for not being clearer .. because the Arab League inherently has no interest in true peace, it is incapable of offering a peace treaty. That was the intent of my post. Have a great day!

Where have you been? The Palestinians could have had peace and a state back in 2000. As soon as the Arabs offer the compromises necessary for the security of the Jewish state, negotiations will take a very favorable turn for the Palestinians.

they support the destruction of israel. what else is new? who the hell cares what they support. they will never have israel. to hell with them all.

Your post doesn't make any sense. What about Farrakhan and what has he to do with gangsta rap? BTW, guess who owns the majority of the record labels producing it? Bingo!!! However, I don't buy any or listen to any, too old.

I'm astonished and amused by the hysterical frenzy of frightened warmongerers rushing out to discredit and dismiss this peace move that is backed unanimously by all the Arab states, apart from that moron Gadaffi. Does this mean the situation is getting a little too hot for comfort for all the racists and warmongerers out here? Are the double-talkers about to be exposed, for saying if they wish for peace with a genuine partner, while actively undermining and discrediting the peace partner at every turn? And what's all this fuss about refugees, someday they will get themselves compensated for what was stolen from them, one way or another. Better injustice is recognized, compensation and a citizenship solution is reached peacefully, than later paying the price in eternal bloodshed, misery and suffering.

barry goldwater and I are two different people.

the HERUT part only. "The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism." Where did he say ISRAEL was fascist? Cheap shot,telling the truth,instead of trying to twist somebody else's words would serve your ideology much better.

from you. Have you been packing? The issue here is you and yours stealing an entire country. Any response to that? Don't worry about my employer; he is a-okay and said to tell you to haul arse back to the green line if you wanna stay there. My boyfriend says the same thing; exist within the green line. Yup, they still fly the confederate flag in the South. In SC, there were not too many Jews where I lived and those that were there changed their name, denied they were Jews and talked worse about their own than anybody else. Now, about stealing that country, do you have a UHaul reserved yet, cause I do believe you are gonna live to see that promised land, yup, with your cousins right next door. All aboard!!!

on both sides. No one is perfect. Don't pat yourself on the back.

They talk the talk, but look at their actions. They supply billions to fundamentalist madrasas throughout the globe. They enslave their own people. No opposition is tolerated. Just a start. So Israel should deal with these purveyors of peace? Hell NO! These Kingdoms are what should be dismantled. They deserve, their tormented people, deserve no less.

What I said is that Jews in large numbers financed the slave trade. So what is your question?

Farrakhan? I don't listen to gangsta rap, so I am not sure what question about it I could answer. When did you ask me anything about Farrakhan; I certainly would have answered had I seen it. So, what is it? As far as you and Barry, he only shows up if I show up, yet you are on for other posts and he appears. Coincidental, not hardley. I was off a couple of days and didn't post and I went back and saw not ONE post from the imbecile Barry. Nope, not one, and your writing styles are the same and give it away. Either you and him are posting Fake Ballistics, however, the opinions are so far from any I've posted, I don't even deny many of them, like the one to Yaakov; he knows I would never post anything like that, nope I would not.

A new one created by the Brits'as usual. It was during Churchil's time that Saudi was established,and is a relatively a new country.They are doing fine,while the oil lasts.Once that dries up,back they go to their tents and camels and become beduin travellers as before of not so long ago. The damn Brits' created Jordan,Kuwait,turned Iraq into a kingdom(was only called mesopotamia).Created Pakistan to the misery for India, and we see the result now. They tried their best with America,but sooner rather than later were pushed out in disgrace. Those Brits'have a lot to answer for. We have Lebanon as well,but that was the French who decided to create it to their discomfiture nowadays no doubt. So,all in all we do not need any Saudi sheiky to tell Israel what to do or accept. he who doesn't like can LUMP IT,AND IT WILL NOT BE ISRAEL.....................

why do you think that Palestinians should not go back to the homes from which they were driven by zionists in their lifetime, while allowing Jews who claim they had ancestors who lived in the region three thousand years ago? Certainly Middle Eastern Jews who can trace their families back to Palestine have every right to return, but European Jews have homelands in Europe, and they have less right to live in historic Palestine than do the real semites: the Palestinians. A Jewish state will never survive if it wants to become a democracy. Israel exists, and it is to be hoped it will continue to exist as a state for all its people. No chance of a separate state for Palestinians, since Israel has alresdy stolen most of their land. So it will have to be a single state for all, with a Jewish minority. Israel had lots of chances, and blew them all.

He had Brother Malcolm killed. He is garbage!! After Malcolm X made his hajj to Mecca he came back changed and challenged the Nation of Islam and Farrakhan's violent teachings. He died because he knew they were wrong.

Howdy Vijaya; You said, "Palestine`s struggles will not have been in vain." That's fine; just keep your sleazo-scumbag, Palestinian, terrorist jerks and all of the so-called Palestinian refugees and their descendants on the Palestinian side of the security barriers until hell freezes over. Selah! --Pharoah Jeff

The times are changing and the pendulum is swinging. 43% and climbing in favor of going into Iraq. Gallup and PEW polls today. LOL I TOLD YOU SO. That's twice!!

Israel is starting to panic now that the entire world sees just who is resisting peace. It has always been Israel that squelched any attempts by Palestinians to negotiate a just settlement. There is too much hatred in Israel for "Arabs" and too many zionists who refuse to accept rights for Palestinians, claiming all of the land belongs to Jews by some mythical divine right. One only need read the venom spewed by crazed settlers and their supporters who use violence and racist epithets against Arabs that would never be tolerated if used against Jews. Israel, your ship is about to sail. You better get on board before it's too late. Free Palestine!

You make up the rules just like your president,as you go along.The rest of the world,especially in the U.N. system go by the Rule of Law. The Human Rights Commission which supervises the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, has found Israel guilty of political assasinations of political opposition figures and a long list of crimes against the political life of the Palestinians of whom the Hamas Movement is an integral part. Why did Hamas declare Jihad against Israel ? Because it knew that it was dealing with a lawless regime since the last 60 years and continuously so to this day. At the end of the day,Israel has become a pariah state in the family of civilised nations.Best for israel to recognise this and move forward and respect the Rule of Law.

Hamas refuses to accept the Arab Plan.

when I first started reading these talk backs I was shocked by the racism and the abuse and the tunnel vision.You can understand what the Palestinians are up against.But there is hope.If you get past the propaganda and get to read the proper literature the hope will return. I can recommend Dr.Khalid Hroub's Hamas: A Beginner's Guide. Dr.Hroub is writing from Cambridge and although not a Hamas supporter has done a remarkable job of explaining the movement. From these talkbacks you will understand how important it is to inform yourself from reliable sources.Good luck and yes hope will triumph.So will Peace and Jusice.But we have to work for it.

Bangkok,Bali,Baghdad and everywhere else the bombers and decapiators are at work spreading world Jihad. They want to rule it all. At the next meeting of the collective spread the word they can forget Israel,their Islamist charter dreams and get back to doing what they do really well,killing Moslems. How many so far this week?

If one choses to cite Mark Twain's comments from 140 years ago, perhaps it's a good time to refer Talkback readers to Albert Einstein's Dec. 4th, 1948 warning in the New York Times, that Israel is creating a Zionist, fascist state in Israel. The URL is: http://www.rense.com/general59/ein.htm How prescient this genius was.

Since you are so contemptuous of the General Assembly try the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.art.13,para 2, art,12,para 4 respectively. A word to the wise.When the chips are down and the game is up it won't be even be 10 years for israel, and then is when Israel will come to the General Assembly and the Rule of Law. Now, do hit the books.Ta ta and good night.

"But he called the Arab initiative a general concept that has to be developed. He urged the Arabs and Israel to deal with the plan as a starting point in negotiations rather than a take-it-or-leave-it proposal." In other words, the Arabs should make further concessions. Or is Solana holding open the possibility that Israel might give up something more? Kind of academic, anyway. The Israelis may go to a conference or two, but they feel they don't have to make peace, and in the last analysis, they don't really want to. So they won't.

Well, pardon me, I haven't had any dealing with Panama. You better buy the yen, hadn't you. Sorry to hear about all your family issues. Perhaps one day you can afford to make the trip. Do they pay good in Panama? Better for you to wait a bit anyone until things settle down. Hopefully, there will be peace some day in our lifetime. As far as contradiction in my logic; I don't know what you are referring to, however, nobody would give 1 whit about the issues over there if the US, its reputation, blood, and treasure were not tied up in the fiasco in the midst of 1.2b Arabs with potential nuclear war. Congress wants out; voters want out; time to bring ours home. Regards.

Hello, Gina, I am not sure how to interpret your post. It is the take it or leave it part that negates this as a peace plan. They are saying that if Israel does not accept this proposal as it is, she will face interminable war. Therefore, the proposal is not really a peace proposal, but an ultimatum. Since the proposal as it stands is not acceptable to Israel, she is put with her back against the wall. Add to this the fact that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are maintaining their previous positions. Add to that the stand on refugees. This is diplomacy with a gun pointed at the head. I am certain that they knew perfectly well when they formulated this plan that it would be impossible for Israel to accept it as is. Regards, Cipora

is getting a little daring Using words such as bla bla.I think I like this new emerging persona.

All the pretty words in the world won't lift the boycott.

You will get there, it's in your heart.

...time is running out. The offer is there and it is now up to Israel to agree if it wants any hope of peace. Israel cannot keep fighting wars, Occupation is immoral and unsustainable and something has to give. Some might foolishly believe that military power can continue to save the day but the world is sick of the backlash from what happens in the Middle East and we want to see a peaceful solution to Israel/Palestine. There is no reason to stall on this proposal, any chance of peace is worth pursuing and the terms are reasonable except to those who want it all their own way and choose war over peace. I want peace for all the children of Israel/Palestine and the surrounding countries and this is the time to press forwards towards that goal.

to fit in with his(extreme) left wing ideology. Why are there 2 million Israeli Arabs with Parliamentary representation etc.now? If ethnic cleansing was the Israeli policy surely 60 years would be long enough to carry it out. Especially as Israel has beaten the combined Arabs in numerous wars.

Alicia Everything you say in this post is something that I hated to hear as I grew up.Since my whole family have been living in Israel I knowledge through them.Ever since as you point with the abandoning the Sinai where so many of our boys died is just one of the many concesions that was made.Why to this day puzzles me.Was it pressure from the U.S? I'll bet it was.Because who else could have been the culprit? That is why I only trust our people and nobody else.Providing our dear leader Olmert does not fall into the trap. This latest is such ludicrous arrangement that it doesn't bear even thinking about! That creepy Solana:What the hell was he there for? The audacity to give advice to the Israelis is beyond belief.I have just finished reading about the whole Saudi family in the "Middle Eastern Quarterly I subscribe and they send me the informative articles.It is unbelievable and I will have to read it. A long and convoluted affair.They are into

PollingReport.com. March 23-25, 2007. 56% say Iraq a mistake, 43% say not a mistake, Gallup Poll.

Their elected government refuses in writing to recognise ANY UN resolution concerning peaceful coexistence with Israel. A ROGUE NATION

That the Palestinians use any terrorist method they can think of - even if it involves sending their own naive people to their death? That they try to fool the Western World with false visions of peace? There, I said it.

Then you are living in the same deluded la la land that your cartoon charatcer hero is in.happy trails.

They started this whole mess by refusing to live in peace side by side as mandated by the UN. Now the Hamas charter specifically excludes the UN or any other negotiated settlement. YOU complain about the UN do not make us laugh.

because they are not squatters. They are a proud state called Israel.

second time in a few days you are getting your ass kicked by Ballistic. You must be a glutton for punishment. Messing with her is putting all your dirty laundry on the line ain't it? It appears so. You either need reinforcements or let it alone. It is heart breaking to see a man get the mess kicked out of him by a woman. I repeat a few days ago and today man you are no match for ballistic. Better to let that one alone. I am enjoying the back and forth though.

What site have you ever given to support any statement. Google it yourself, then you might believe me. I don't believe I have made a misstatement to you as of yet. Differences, yes, but never a lie.

You are confused.barry Goldwater and I are close allies on certain subjects, namely showing up the vicios israel haters like you for what they are.You mentioned Jewish genetics I asked you a question about farahkam and gangsta rap culture, no answer?? You can give it but not take it?TYPICAL

Right of Return for 20 million Germans to their homes in Russia (was E. Prussia), Poland, Czech Republic (was Sudeten) from which they were forcibly removed, AFTER WWII in 1945? There was no such condition put on Poland etc. when they joined the EU. Not even to pay compensation for the land. For well known reasons that apply equally to the Arab side. They not only started the war against Israel but also forced out all Jews from Arab/Moslem countries, with more in numbers and property then Pal refugees (who mostly left due to war threats from Arab armies).

They are very clever. The Arab plan also goes that way: give them all the territories, Gaza and Judea and Samaria, and the right of return, that is to say israel proper.

Are there no organizations that would sponsor your move to Israel? I find it rather sad that you "missed the boat".

Howdy Cipora; There have been too many responses on this topic for me read them all much less respond to very many, but I always read your posts. Yes, the "Arab peace initiative" should be called the "Arab ultimatum". The trouble is, I don't know what the "or-else" is. If Israel rejects the Arab ultimatum, then FM Saud al-Faisal threatens that the conflict "goes back into the hands of the lords of war" as if it wasn't there already. I don't think that the Arab League is going to do anything except to provide financial support to the PA as they have been doing all along anyway. Israel should just ignore the Arab ultimatum and continue with the status quo while keeping a close watch on any aggressive moves by the members of the Arab League. I think that their veiled threat is hollow, but they have been incredibly stupid in the past so watch out.

...I hope they will make it through later. Good night.

Most people proclaiming that they're "AMERICANS" aren't. Israel has recognized Palestine, it's called JORDAN. Problem is that Arabs want two Palestines, the one they already have and the second that they're trying to steal.

israel is not the occupiers they are the host. and since saudia arabia is so large a land mass maybe the palestinians should move to arabia. let israel have their g-d given land and let the palestinians move to their cousins house (arabia) "viola" PEACE

nice(not)so the arabs agree to live in peace, IF Israel agrees to give up lands won by the spilled blood of other Israels, against the Arabs? and divide Jeusalem into two separate capitals, and/or states? Will this be like East and West Berlin? Both sides guarding the wall? I don't see the Arabs allowing shared rights on the Temple Mount, even though the Israelis have more claim to it, then the Arabs. I thought God gave this land to Abraham and his descendents? Sounds like one for the Arabs(less for Israel)...

How could that be? It is impossible. These Arabs would have had to unamimously rejected the Quran to offer Israel/Jews/Zion/Zionists permanent peace. The entire fabric of their history, teaching, politics, diplomacy, & warfare has been AGAINST the sovereign state of Israel. And, NOW you think they've changed? Good luck. If they didn't burn the Quran, then nothing has changed! Selah!

Panama has been using US Dollars since 1903 thank you. That's why many Americans and Canadians are retiring there now. As for why am I worried? We Jews are one people and Israel is our national self-determination after 2000 years of exile. We always worry about our brothers, not to mention that some are related to me. I wanted to make Aliyah, but my grandmother (may she rest in peace) asked me to stay here because they were worried so I 'missed the boat' (my grandmother was dying of cancer at the time) - I don't have the money. Why am I not allowed to care anyway? You don't criticize the Europeans or Arabs on this forum for caring! But then again, given the way you express yourself about Panama, I don't think you seem to be aware of contradictions in your own logic.

As I wrote to 407 Billy Jack(do read his fine comments) there is a time for everything. Peace and Justice will prevail and Palestine will have played that historic role.Palestine's struggles will not have been in vain.

Hope they can explain their faux pas. BTW, a little off topic, when the Brits requested the position of their sailors, the co-ordinates which were sent to them by Iran showed they WERE in Iraqi waters. Iran later revised them to show they were in Iranian waters. Clowns!!

Jimmy Carters A-word gets a new meaning. Are some inhabitans of Big-Palestine, call it Big-Israel if you like, better than the others?

Then the solution is the one-state solution. As a Jew, it may be hard to swallow, but it can finally make everybody happy.

your mexican ass kicked again.you and your mexican beggers aren't going to get a square inch of us land.it just a matter of time until the individual states make the landlords and business owners responsible for you illegal mexicans and the funny part is, when you have no job,you will be forced to go back to the land you and your mexican brothers have raped and ravaged until there is nothing left.we,the u.s citizens won't even have to pay to have your sorry ass shipped back.were not going to let you scabs come to america and ruin it,like you have your own country.if you guys want american imperalist,come on up and get you some!you bastards come to america and live 20 to a house and expect us to do the same,but it's not going to happen,boy!

In fact, I tend to agree with Gaddafi, for once ! He did not attend the riyad meeting. To him, the only solution for the Palestinian cause is the establishment of a two-nationality state called "Isratine".

A rag tag band of guerillas defeated the much vaunted Israeli army. But then,some people never learn.Hizbollah might yet hand them their 6th defeat ! Jeff Northridge thinks Israel will last another 60 years and then what? Living in Peace and Justice is what Israel has still to learn.Maybe,it will take those baby steps at long last since Big Brother is showing signs of dropping his buddy. Stealing Palestinian land,abusing the Arabs,these are the only things that they have learned so far.Not to worry,Time will teach them some lessons.Already has.

were slaves and your folks weren't. You should be charged with welfare fraud! Fact of the matter is there are MANY MORE Caucasian people on welfare than nonwhite. So, google that bright light! If welfare stopped tomorrow, white folks would be dying and desperate en masse. What have you got against poor white folk?

Miss Rice implied that a settlement to the Arab/Israeli problem could be achieved before Bush leaves office. This "push" may be the Bush Administrations only chance to save what is left of its "Foreign Policy" and escape from Iraq. A US politician compared it to Nixion's attempt to change relations with China to end the Vietnam War . Hopefully, Israel will not suffer S. Vietnam's fate.

palestinians.jordan was the only arab country to welcome the palestinians and grant them citizenship(to this day jordan is the only arab country where palestinians as a group can become citizens).king abdullah(grandfather of late king hussein)considered the palestnian arabs and jordanians ONE PEOPLE.by 1950, he annexed the WEST BANK and FORBADE the use of the term PALESTINE in official documents.after the 1948 war, egypt controlled the gaza strip and its more than 200,000 inhabitants,but refused to allow the palestinians into egypt or permit them to move elsewhere...........the arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem.they want to keep it as an open sore,as an affront to the UN and as a WEAPON against ISRAEL. arab leaders don't care whether the refugees live or die....by RG

Where did you see this poll, on Fox News? Send me to a cite; if it is Fox, forget it.

Stop lying to yourself man, you and your army murdered 1000 civilians, most of all children and women, of course they were some fighters around, hope 1000 israli civilians will die soon, sorry it is awfull but not more than killing an innocent and denying it. You are spreading your hatery with this unhuman acts believe it or not i was not against u before this war, now i just want to see the devastation in your homes. Best wishes

whining about that. Many were lost in those sturdy tanks you had. Course your brave IAF could bomb at will, no friction there. However, Hez was a step up from the Pals, wasn't it, cause your brave IDF rolls in Pal land with tanks and F16s to trounce them. Brave lot you are, yup, brave lot. Kill em from the sky with those gunships, pretty handy in an open air prison. However, Hez gave you lumps, yup, sunk 1 ship and according to Olmert, those tanks being towed smoking were death traps for your soldiers. No water, food; boy, did you plan for that yourself? It wasn't exactly a regular 'let's trounce em' weekend with Hez, huh. So you got frustrated and just leveled all the infrastructure for all the world to see and you wonder why you have no allies except Dubya, yup, not a one (except Micronasia). Biggest PR disaster zionists ever had!

So their lyes the problem.The question than is who did god really talk to,if at all.I remember a preacher telling me god loves you no matter what"as long as you belive in christ".When i read the old testement,it reads like a book void of understanding of the rest of civilization.It is about a small group of people on a small tract of land.It has nothing to do with me,im the gentile the goyim.Yet you want me to march with zionist through the streets of canada in suport of israel.WHY?Who are we to you,do you want from us what you do not give to us.Your understanding of god is not mine.Yet zionists scream for the world to help,based on 2500 year old writeings that talk of god in a burning bush and people living in fish.About a god that would not permit a dog to bark against an israely,but killed the first born man and animal of every egyption.Every story is about how great and loveing god is to the jewish nation.The rest are pagans and goyim.World fillers if you will.

'cos they are trying to get out from under the military boot of the Israelis? why don't you come out and say so ? Then the Palestinians know who they are dealing with.

Your view of Hamas as being "a little fanatic" brings into question your pro-Arab bias and views of the happenings of the world around you.You are an ignorant person of questionable lineage, whose understanding of modern Middle Eastern history is limited to the copmic books.

Howdy Vijaya; I didn't say that all UN resolutions are useless, just UNGARs. UNSCRs are much more serious because they do become part of the body of international law, but even then, there are degrees to UNSCRs depending upon whether they are passed under Chapter 6 or Chapter 7 of the UN Charter. There is no universal "absolute right of return of refugees" declared in UNGAR 194 since it applied only to refugees (both Arab and Jewish) from the Israeli War of Independence of 1948 and it was only suggestive and not mandatory in nature. There are many other paragraphs contained in the nonbinding UNGAR 194 which were rejected or violated by the Arabs including the paragraph concerning the protection of and access to holy places. You still haven't provided me with an international law which provides for a universal "right of return" of refugees from various conflicts around the world. I'm waiting with baited breath for you to produce it.

one in the same; same misspellings and misuse of words. Same small letters to start sentences. Cut out with the BS. Now here you are carrying on a conversation with yourself. Say, I will borrow some Prozac and send it on over!

over there. Is there anybody in the neighborhood association you and yours haven't trounced? I do believe your general undesirability as neighbors is the stated reason why Arabs want you out, isn't it?

"But Hamas is the problem that blocks progress. " That's laughable but then again, don't let facts get in the way of good propaganda. Where was Hamas 40 years ago? Where was it 30 years ago? Where was Hamas 20 years ago? Where was Hamas 10 years ago? So now they finally win at the ballot box ONE year ago, thanks to Israeli policies and provocations, and it is they who are "blocking progress"? Like I said, this is laughable but I also know the Zionist Zombies follow this line of reasoning--or lack of. First it was Arafat who Zionists used as a panata for decades and now it's "Hamas". This shtick has run it's course, Israel will reap what it sows. It's rejection of peace is an act of war. Israeli's have short memories but it's not our fault many are zombified beyond any recognition. Hamas is not building illegal settlements or occupying Tel-Aviv. Get it? It might one day if Zionists keep up with their madness but as I type this post, ISRAEL IS THE AGRESSOR,OCCUPIER AND UN LAW BREAKER!

bargain. Our banks don't accept shekels from Israel or whatever you use in Panama, coffee? How about factoring in blood lost in the madness? Got any price for that? Hey, what are you doing in Panama apologizing for the squatters. Are you squatting over there too? No, Moises, thanks for the offer. We americans will keep on paying Israelis welfare and let our Katrina victims float their own boat. However, if the Israelis returned our total contributions, we could house our own real life victims and then it would make some sense. Why are you worried about Israel from Panama? You can't be too worried or you would be there. Regards.

apache helicopters,all the military hardware of a military occupation, bulldozers(one village was rebuilt by the tent dwellers 5 times),siege,starvation,but they are still around. That's what Israel and the 'civilised'suits can't stand.

Would several issues be so much of realm of possibility such as: Next, much more massive stage in the emboldened Israeli Arab incitement for some kind of exclusively Arab laws, cessation or autonomy within Israeli proper. So called moderate Arab communities by now standard `practice` of condemnation text & shoulder shrug continue under `out of our jurisdiction` banner if `occasional` terror from the constantly formatting & mutating rogue groups or clans persists. I can go on & on, there is so many clever ways to really renege or simply bypass all the current promises if desired, which I am sure every one the Arab world will try to `dress up` & use to the full extend, the more so the more Israel is betrayed, retreating or suffocating.

about our trusted "ally". Will solar power run your planes and tanks needed weekly to trounce the Pals?

Gates says on MSNBC headlines there is little if any likelihood of war with Iran cause US is already in over its head. A just solution is what is needed and I hope will happen. However, a lotta land will need to be unarsed. Regards.

If I was to play a devil`s advocate and examined what would have happened had either of the plans materialized. I have no doubt that if Israel had their peace plan go through, they would have been so thrilled there is nothing short of total security breach that would have stopped majority of Israelis & her government on going along or assisting in every possible measure to see the most viable, prosperous Pal state. But I also have no doubt that if Arab initiative came about in its entirety, even with the limited refugee return, the peaceful end solution would have ended right there & then . Would several issues be so much of realm of possibility such as:

ARE THEY NOT SUBJECT TO APARTHEID . WHEN YOU SOLVE THAT CESSPOOL COME AND LECTURE US AGAIN

Here is one and only kind of true hypocrisy, the term being thrown so loosely around so many times. We have an Israeli `security barrier` peace, more so set in motion vs. Arab initiative `recognition promises` peace. Both supposedly have in mind identical end result: two nations in peace side by side. The difference between them is the first guarantees Israeli security & Jewish identity because it is firmly in the Israeli grip (I understand an absolute no-no for the Arab world although it does not threaten within the Arab world either the security or majority one iota, except maybe major overhaul to the Arab propaganda machine). Yet it was soundly rejected, violently rejected, & yet everything went on as there was nothing out of the norm. Now only the ` rooted enemies of peace` dare to reject the Arab initiative, although technically other than `maybe yes, maybe no` promises, it does nothing more than allows the Arab world to set off the `time bomb` on the Israeli slow `suffocation`.

Since you come down on Israel, Where do you come from. That may explain your distorted views. Those that post and can't even list their home country makes me want to say your from a Arab country and just posting

"Never in history has a peace initiative been presented as an ultimatum' Never in history has the Arab League presented a peace plan.

flushman/yimri etc. Dot you ever tire of being a pleb/para/site. Regards

They may outlive you and outlast you.With all your military hardware you haven't been able to defeat them.

Yes, they surely do. It is the doublespeak that confuses the reality of the situation. They sure as hell can't have both. Economically a disastrous demand on either one. Which is what they are betting on.