Amr Moussa: Arabs must prepare alternatives to failing peace process

Your purpose must be to hatemonger, to hurl vitriol at the Arabs to convince readers that the peace talks should not be pursued by Israel. There is no other conceivable reason why you would charge that the Arab League announcement threatens violence. You know violence was not mentioned, therefore to claim it was makes you a liar. That same Arab League recognized the State of Israel and proffered a comprehensive peace plan in 2002 and again in 2007. They offered Israel full diplomatic recognition by all 22 members of the League in return for Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories. The US and the EU endorsed both. Israel did not respond: no comment. But you say Arabs know only violence. Israel has not experienced one single act of violence from any Arab nation in 36 years. You sound like a vicious Jew, and the likes of you have turned Israel into a rogue nation much despised by the law-abiding nations of the international community of nations.

If Palestinians were to unilaterally declare a Palestinian State, and Israel were to carry out your plans in response, without regard for international law, the UN, international criminal jurisdictions, and the international community, Israel will experience the wrath of the world as it has never before imagined. It will see the withdrawal of all US support, and without the US veto, Israel will be dragged before the Int'l Criminal Court in the Hague so fast it will make your head swim. No longer will there be US financial support, international loan guarantees, support in the World Bank, or the IMF. With the world-wide sanctions, divestments and boycotts that would follow, Israel would be completely isolated from the world community of nations, no imports, no exports, no international associations, no loan guarantees, no military support: and Israel would not survive such isolation. President may recognize a new state without congress, as Truman recognized Israel.

You are right: In Genesis 15: 18-21 God said as you quote. But he also said in Judges 2:21-23, IN THE FUTURE I WILL NOT EVICT ANY OF THE NATIONS THAT JOSHUA LEFT IN THE LAND WHEN HE DIED. Since you know that the Jebusites, who built Jerusalem, and by many historians and scholars are considered the forebears of the Palestinians, were there when God said that, God made it quite clear that Jews cannot claim all of Palestine. It follows that Jews have no legal title to any land outside the borders specifically detailed in UN resolution181, when Israel declared statehood. Israeli violation of UNSC 242, continued occupation of Palestinian territory, is a violation of international law. And, Jewish religious beliefs do not supersede international law. If international law had to conform to the beliefs of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Shintoism etc., there would be no international law.

If Palestinians were to unilaterally declare a Palestinian State, and Israel were to carry out your plans in response, without regard for international law, the UN, international criminal jurisdictions, and the international community, Israel will experience the wrath of the world as it has never before imagined. It will see the withdrawal of all US support, and without the US veto, Israel will be dragged before the Intl Criminal Court in the Hague so fast it will make your head swim. No longer will there be US financial support, international loan guarantees, support in the World Bank, or the IMF. With the world-wide sanctions, divestments and boycotts that would follow, Israel would be completely isolated from in the world community of nations, no imports, no exports, no international associations, no loan guarantees, no military support: and Israel would not survive such isolation. Good luck!

What have we learned from history regarding splitting a city? Yes, Jerusalem is important to many religions. It is my understanding that religious sites within Israel are open to all religions. If it is determined that Jerusalem is to be split between an Arab state and an Israeli state, will all the religious sites within the Arab state be open and accessible to all religions? This question is based on supposed statistics as to the limited number of people of other religions living in Arab areas; the limited number of pieces of literature from other religions found in Arab libraries & book stores; the limited number of people of religions other than Muslim serving in government in Arab countries.

Perhaps many of you see this headline about the Arab Peace Process and Jerusalem and don't even give it a second glance. Many would say...oh great! More problems in the Middle East...the Palestinian / Israel problem! What's new? Big DEAL!? Well perhaps you should understand that this is a very BIG DEAL! DO you want to know why? Well good I will tell you. Jerusalem is the APPLE OF GOD'S EYE. The GOD who has proven HIS influence through the ages, through the history, archeology, and anthropology of HIS people ISRAEL made some promises to a man named Abraham. They were unconditional promises to be held by GOD, that Abraham would have descendants greater than the sand of the sea or the stars in the sky...AND...(DON'T MISS THIS) that HE (GOD) would give Abraham and his descendants the land.. ...there's more...read here. http://thestrongwatchman.com/index.php/the-last-days/70-news-for-the-last-days/289-jerusalem-arabs-and-israel-decoding-the-matrix-of-lies

Yes Jerusalem is the oldest religion. But it does not have the greatest number of adherents, since it is exclusive to a certain tribe which originated somewhere in Ur or Haran. Christianity and Islam have billions of adherents, since the faiths are not based on a claim to a certain ethnicity. These two are the greatest religions today. Jerusalem belongs to Christians and Moslems as well. While the greater majority of Jews stayed away from Palestine since AD134, Christians and Moslems were building "facts on the ground"--the Church of the Holy Sepulchre AD335, the Dome of the Rock (which is the most prominent feature in panoramic views of Jerusalem) and the Al-Aqsa, 7th c. AD, plus many more churches and mosques built throughout the centuries. Thee are no relics of Jewish building except for the piece of wall built by King Herod the Arab.

Its all over, Nathan-Yahoo let all of us down making Avidgor as his buddy. Next, he is gonna start calling progressive queer like the American Christian call them. Bye Bye....I am going back to Russia before I burn under Moslem fire cracker from Iran and what not. Give them what they want of East J'salem and try peace

There is a clear shift in the Turkish position beyond their relationship with Israel; the military, which has always been a defender of secularism, is being marginalized; Muslim fundamentalism is taking hold; the time when Turkey was a country where, at the universities, the headscarf was at best unwelcome have passed. Erdogan's gestures to Iran and Syria predate the Netanyahu government's slights; Gaza is a pretext. Last year Erdogan slammed Peres at an NGO conference, Peres of all people. Unfortunate but a valuable alliance has ended for now because of Turkey's shift away from secularism; Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is rolling in his grave.

But the state of Palestine will exist on lands formerly known as Mandated Palestine 1947. I understand, Israel's plan as has been since her creation is to erase any Palestinian Arab history from this land, but it will be to no avail. It is not the Palestinian Arab's fault that the JEws were expelled and fled from Palestine 2000 years ago. You may want to take that issue with the Romans. In addition, Arabs were the most recent occupants and have the longest rule in the land (7th to 20th century 1300 years) compared to Jewish rule 1000 BC to 722 BC, 1948 to present. Sorry cousin, but we will never leave our historic lands no matter what your real estate diety teaches you.

If on the other hand the Palestinians, Arabs, and Jews (not the Turks or Iranians or other Muslims who have no claim on Jerusalem)want real peace then declair Jerusalem an open united city where Israelis and Palestinians each have their governments, where both the Israelis and Palestinians can live freely in any part of the city they choose and building in the city is a proved by a government department of the city. Where only police forces composed of Israelis and Palestinians is allowed to operate in the city with no military force from either side allowed in. I believe on these bases peace can be established, otherwise, look forward to war with terrible consequences to the Palestinians and Arabs but also grave damage to the Israelis.

Palestinians and their Arab brothers will never accept a peace settlement at present conditions. They think that with Iran's help they can destroy Israel, the Arabs are always grasping ar straws. I bet that the Israeli government and army are hoping for an Arab attack, The Arabs are diluting themselves thinking Israel is weak. They have no idea of Israel"s military power. If the Arabs force war on Israel it is certain that Israel will completly remove the Palestinians out of the west b ank, re-ocupy Gaza expelling the Palestinians into the Sinai, take control of Lebanon up to the Litani river and destroy Hizbollah at the same time and turn Damascuss into rubble. Yes Israel will sustain damage on the home front, but that doesn,t affect its military. I know that many pro Palestinians will say I'm out of my mind, however, stop living in a dream and face reality. No major power will come to the defence of the Arabs except verbally and there will be no boycotts of Israel if Arabs start war.

While I respect the feelings of Muslims towards Jerusalem as the third holiest city in their belief, the phrase "revered by Jews and Muslims alike" is deeply wrong. Muslims have Mecca and Medina first. We Jews were originated as a people in Jerusalem, out of where our Torah and our history past and present emmanates. If it weren't for Jewish history in Jerusalem, there wouldn't be any connection between Islam and Jerusalem at all. It's simply not the same. Lst but not least, we Jews ONLY have Jerusalem.

The first time they did this was 1948 when they rejected UN Partition and launched a war. Israel got bigger. The second time they did this was in Khartoum after they started and lost the 6-Day War ("no recognition of Israel, no negotiations, no peace"). Israel got bigger. And after preventing Abbas from negotiating, they think they'll just unilaterally declare a Palestinian State? Here's what will happen: Israel seals the Jordan River border, no Arab World contact with W. Bank; Israel shuts off all power and water and crossings to the "independent state", no commerce, and no shipments to Gaza; Israel annexes all Jewish W. Bank towns to Israel, leaves Abbas with the rest for his "state". Price of anything going in or out of "unilateral state" is recognition of Jewish Israel, full normalization, embassy in J'lem. Hmmm. That would work!

This is the point in history repeating itself only with an added twist. The league wants to once again come against Israel but this time they want to join with Iran to help them. This is a dangerous theme and one that has been on their minds since 48. Israel however is here to stay and has given much to appease these guys over a very long time. PErhaps if the league really ever wanted peace it would have happened. They will not divide or destroy Israel and should understand this.

I think that the current israeli government pushing the arabs to the corner and it left them with no option but to find other ways to gain their rights back according to UN RES 242 israel have to withdraw from the land that it was occupied in 67 .Moreover, I think that creating a de facto situation in east Jerusalem will not solve the but it will make it more complicated .

Totally irrelevent. That is up to the Israelis to deal with. The issue at hand is Israel-Palestine. If you want to deal with the whole arab world at once, I recommend you look at the Arab Peace Initiative. Normal peaceful relations with Arab countries (1/6 of the entire population of planet Earth) will facilitate talks on that sort of claim much more effectively than maintaining the subjugation of the Palestinians.

the present government has left behind the old turkey and the nation is now dominated by religion.israel cannot win in this situation. quite useless to scrape and bow to them.it is also demeaning.

RE: How about the Dome of the Rock building? Just so happens to be the oldest existing Islamic building in the world.. Hmm I guess that's just a myth. Lets not forget to mention Al-Aqsa Mosque. The first few months of Islamic history considered Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem to be the first Qibla (direction of prayer), as opposed to the Kaaba in Mecca. Both Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa Mosque, are considered to be the third holiest places for all denominations of Islam. In Arabic, the city of Jerusalem is commonly known as "Al-Quds", meaning "the Holy". "Muslims consider the land west of (but not limited to) the Jordan River to be sacred, as mentioned in the Qur'an." Yes it's not mentioned at all. "Danny" nice miss-information you're giving out, you illiterate tool. Now I'm not Muslim or care so much about it, but "Danny" is so full of BS that he should be addressed. So he can feel stupid for even opening his mouth and willing to say such stupid things.

1 those who hate iran more then they do israel. 2 and those who hate israel above all else like amr mousa.the latter is certainly not in tune with most arab leaders. the populace however want to strike at israel in any way they can.

Now that Turkey is engaged with the greater middle east, It is the best time to have a plan B. PLan A The Palestinians should wait 9 more months, if there is no improvement in the peace process, then the best option is to declare a Palestinian State with E-Jerusalem is its capital. Let the Arab World and the Moslem world Support your effort.All this has to be done peacefully but be prepared for the worse. Ask for the E.U. Russian, Chinese support. The U.S. will give indirect support and encouragement.But will not be between the first to support because of Congress. Israel will through a tantrum and go creazy. Plan be is to get Iran, Syria, Turkey and Lebanon prepare for the worse. The Jordanian and Egyptian population will boil and start street disturbances in support of Free Palestine. If Israel retaliate militarily, then plan B or extended war on all fronts and for many years, to be expected. The future is bleak. Stay Tuned.

Omar Musa is a small beurocrat that only talks and does nothing to advance the peace. He did not say a word when Olmert offered the west bank and east jerusalem and it was refused by Abbas. So now there is new reality.

they both dislike israel.akiva eldar is perhaps a mite more supercilious.

..will never stop from searching alternatives ! The arabs wants always to win one way or the other! They want to win when they talk and they want to win when they don't talk. Abass find it easy for himself not to talk and let others speak on his behalf. "Arabs must prepare alternatives to failing peace". One wonder if Amr Moussa expect this 'failing peace' can be other than 'failing'; if the other side 'abass', observing a moratorium on talking with netanyahu or any one else in israel ! ? Any why, abass will not be other than failure if he thinks by just keeping silent or by making conditions to start talking things will change to his direction ! May be because abass have nothing to say and can see that himself ! One expect Amr Moussa will be the one who will advise abass to talk and an the arabs need no an 'alternative' to be added to so many alternatives the whole world have seen in the many years in the past ! And blaming israel ! The only thing the arabs love !

if these responses are representative of the general Israeli opinion this will go wrong - u seem to forget that your land was giving to you - then the Arab countries attacked you and you acquired some more - this is a long time ago - Israel is doing well and have a functioning education system. Every thought that if u educated the Palestinian people that u would have better results from the meetings - U will never secure a greater Israel - and u must try and understand the outside communities better. U don?t have so many friends left ? and no, its not only our, mine, political correct attitude that ensures this ? u need a PR agent and provide the basis for long term peace ? cuz u are the only ones that can do it.

I always thought that Jerusalem was the apple of the Jews' eyes. Now I'm not surprised to find out it is also the apple of Muslims' eyes, and I'm sure that if had been called the "orange of my eye", the Arabs would have called it the same!~

"There has never been a peace process. There is only a process to dispossess Israel of its eternal capital city and then the rest of the land. The goal remains the same as in 1948. Anyone who believes differently is deluding themselves. I prefer reality."

The First Temple was built in Jerusalem 950 BCE. The Dome of the Rock was built AFTER the Second Temple 517 BCE on top of the Western Wall structure.

"The city of Jerusalem is known in Arabic as Al-Quds or Baitul-Maqdis ("The Noble, Sacred Place"). Jerusalem is perhaps the only city in the world that is considered historically and spiritually significant to Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike."

Where have you been since 2005. In 2005 Gaza was returned to the Palestinians. Since that time the Palestinians have continued to send qassams, mortars, and assorted missiles into Israel. Now they do it from a closer proximity.

... the Temple Mount is supposed to be one of the holiest of the holy for us...

the legal term "abandonment." WHEN THE ARABS STARTED THE WAR IN 1948, they encouraged their people to leave the area. In isolated instances only, were Arabs driven out of what became Israel. The majority of Arabs abandoned their property and were waiting for their army to slaughter the Jews, then they would go back. The ARABS DID EXPEL WITHOUT COMPENSATION ALL THE JEWS IN THEIR COUNTRIES, in some cases Jewish populations that had existed there for centuries. There is no right of return. The Arabs should accept the "Palestinians" as welcome immigrants, just as Israel accepted all the Jews that were expelled from the Arab lands. As for alternatives, if the Arabs were to try to attack Israel again, there would be the greatest slaughter of Arabs. Who do you believe would fight harder, a person dedicated to annihilating another, or a person fighting to defend themselves from annihilation? Go Israel!

But for Palestinians it means Capital and hope for future. Israel should respect that and should share it with them by determining the border for its own security.

Now that Barack Hussain Obama has clearly shown to everyone (including those who did not see it coming before his election) where he stands, all the reactions and crazy demands will appear as in this article. Jerusalem is very lonely today, but it cant' give up.

Failing peace process? This guy Amr Moussa must be delusional, naive, or sly as a fox when talking peace process. He, and his ilk know there will only be peace when Israel no longer exists. That being said, give them bupkas. That's all they deserve.

Logios - understandably. Having one's posterior placed on a low stool DOES have a destructive effect on once's disposition:)

And how about the Jews expeled from the Arab world? Will they be given back their properties? And will Europe give the Arabs their Al Andaluz (Gibraltar, Portugal and Spain)? And will Arab Syria and Iraq give the Kurds their one and only country and stop the occupation?

The apple of Muslims' eyes yet Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Quran. Interesting....

The peace process will fail, that is for sure, not because of the Arab League Israel has peace with Egypt and with Jordan, despite the ArabLeagues three No's: No peace with Israel No recognition of Israel No negotiations with Israel. the alternative is: Individual Arab countries can make peace with Israel. Israel will not attack peacefull Arab countries.Israel promises not to attack Iran, not Syria nor Lebanon,Israel will continue to defend itself. The Arab League will find a Location for an indepent and free Palestine, Israel promises not to attack that Palestine, Arabs feel honored that Israel wants to live in their midst.israel will do its utmost to coexist with Arabs. Peace no longer means Arab domination. Judaism and Islam are equally valid religeons.

meu amigo judeu brasileiro. The annexation of East Jerusalem was declared ILLEGAL by UNSC Resolution 252 (1968)of 21 May 1968 UNSC Resolution 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969 UNSC Resolution 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, UNSC Resolution 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, UNSC Resolution 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, UNSC Resolution 476 (1980) of 30 June 1980 And yet, Israel defies the International Community.

I took me only a second to do a search "jerusalem garbage site" to prove the history revisionist arnolds claims are false. Its not that alaqsa has been a garbage site, it was built on a garbage site. http://www.jerusalemites.org/jerusalem/islam/29.htm

"According to historians, it was a garbage dump, a dunghill for the people of Jerusalem. Umar, upon learning this was the site of the Masjid of Jerusalem and the place from where the Miraj took place, cleaned the place with his own hands and put his forehead in payer on that ground. The Masjid al-Aqsa was later built in that area. In 691 CE the Dome of Rock and a more elaborate mosque were constructed. Those were, perhaps, the first most expensive and expansive sacred monuments built in the history of Islam." Stop revising the history, a simple google search for "jerusalem garbage site" revealed that muslims cleaned up and built their mosque on that garbage site. This kinda proves the point that they feel this site is very important to them, that they would build a holy place on top of a GARBAGE site.

friend. i think israel must begin to think its relationships with turkey.

The Palestinians right of return to their homes in Israeli land and Israeli settlements in the Palestinian West Bank are the 2 most problematic issues, and so they must be played against each other- about half a million on each side. Based on the '67 borders, trade the settlements for the right of return and the 2 biggest problems disappear. Either the refugees are settled in Israel where they came from and the Israelis stay in the West Bank, or everybody goes to live with their own people on their respective sides of the green line. Too simple.

What didn't the Arabs and it's Muslim brothers not get over the last 3,500 years. Islam has tried so hard to ignore the Jews and their Biblical history that have enveloped themselves within a bubble of non-reality. What did Turkey do when they had Jerusalem, nothing. What did Jordan do when they had Jerusalem, nothing but destruction of infidel religious sites. What did all the Arabs do when Jews had Jerusalem, murder, invent international terrorism, boycotts, wars and religious incitement. Looks to me that, if Jewish Prophecies are true, the Muslims (and the rest of the world for that matter) have become so ignorant or just so arrogant, that they cannot conceive of what is awaiting their final assault for Jerusalem.

why divert the attention fromt the true, core problem? israeli unwillingness to return the west bank and east jerusalem and gaza to the palestinians is what is causing all the problems. mr neatanyahu with his net reluctance is adding more problems.

It is true that what as done to the Turkish ambassador was very bad but let's not forget the fact that much before this incident PM Erdogan had humiliated Israel on many occasions like in Davos, the NATO exercise and many of his speeches that are not published in the western press. Turks often talk about their national pride but they forget that other nations also have national pride.

The Turkish prime minister, maybe he forgot, but Meca and Medina are both the "aplle of the eye" of every Muslim, not Jerusalem. Jerusalem is holy to Muslims only because it is holy to Jews. They can love our city, but not have it.

A strategic alliance with Turkey was a goal of Israeli foreign policy since the days of David Ben Gurion. The common interest was danger from the Arab world, and nowadays also from Iran. The policy was successful, until now. Recently, Israel's Foreign Ministry took the extraordinarily stupid step of humiliating the Turkish ambassador (seating him on a "low" seat) for something minor. Now we see Turkey calling Israeli acts in Jerusalem "madness". So far, the Turkish government is refraining from breaking the special relationship with Israel due to their fear of the Turkish military. But the military is also full of Moslems and Turkish nationalists. They may end up getting disgusted with Israel too. Sounds like Netanyahu is going to leave behind him scorched earth.

I will consider anything Israel does in order to survive legit. Anything! As long as I do not have to personally participate. Except in my dreams ofcourse.

Its not hard for our enemies to successfully rewrite Jewish History when few souls seem to care or remember the facts.

Time to eat the carrot and dangle the stick,both in Jerusalem and Iran.

Encou-RAGE-ment to use violence as a means of getting what they want. They do not know of any other way and they have been this way for many years. Some say all they want is to return to the 1967 borders (before they attacked and lost the war in 1967). Only the terminally foolish believe this will satisfy them. Their insistence of the "right of return" makes a mockery of such gains as satisfactory. Ironically there is so much to be gained through peaceful coexistence but that is just not (currently) in their blood.

But who was stealing first it seems from 1948 to 1967. Before that it was British for a short while, then before that Turkish, before that even Christian and Islamic Crusaders and even before that the Romans stole Judea, its original name, and renamed it Palestine from the original owners the Jews during the Christ era. Looks like everyone was addicted to stealing Jerusalem.

No matter what Israel gives it will never be enough for the Arab Countries and the world. http://ralphsrant1.blogspot.com

A couple of years ago, Iran offered to share its nuclear "technology" with the Arab nations. Perhaps the Arabs are ready to take them up on that offer so that they can speak in the only language that the Likudniks understand.

Traditionally, Arabs, Turks, and Persians have hated each other intensely. It's so nice that Israel has brought them together in friendship and co-operation. Bibi the Peacemaker!

What about Cyprus,it belongs to Greece get out of there . People in glass houses should not throw stones .

Stop your insane paranoia please ! Year after year Israel's policy consists of dispossessing the Palestinians of their land, not the opposite way !!! What was the jewish population of Palestine back in the 40's ? where did the hundreds of thousands of palestinians living on that land go ? What goal are you talking about ? History tells us that hundreds of palestinian villages have been emptied and repopulated. Names have been changed. Thousands of palestinians living in Jerusalem, Haifa, Yaffa and the rest of the country lost their house and property. That's reality and israelis should think about it. Perhaps they will understand a few things, accept what they have done to the palestinians and move on. Good luck.

There has never been a peace process. There is only a process to dispossess Israel of its eternal capital city and then the rest of the land. The goal remains the same as in 1948. Anyone who believes differently is deluding themselves. I prefer reality.

not only will you not have any friends in arabia but they will be friends with iran....the EU is sick of you and no reason to change...no good deals, no special deals....no 'special relationship', so celebrate you get to steal little pieces of e.j'lem but that too a hollow victory because it will never really be yours....russia must be looking real good about now or it will very soon

May i, first of all, be reminded what their contribution to the so called "failing peace process" was?! Rockets, attacks, allying with nuclear Iran...Hello!

What a bunch of bull. Before the Israelis re-captured Jerusalem it was a neglected city. The Jordanian/Palestinians ( one and the same) used it as a dumping ground for garbage. The Jordanians desacrated Jewish religious sites and even used grave stone markers in the building of roadways. Yes.... the Moslem and the Christian world have ties to Jerusalem ...but do not give me the line "Jerusalem is the apple of the eye of each and every Muslim" It was not the apple of the eye before the Jewish people took it back and opened it up to all. Bethlehem and the Vatican are the heart and soul of Christianity Mecca and Medina are the heart and soul of Islam Jerusalem is the heart and soul of Judaism. As a race we Jews did not come from as aliens from another planet. We originated from somewhere and that somewhere is the Middle East. From Judaism came Christianity ...followed later by Islam. Judaism is the oldest of the religions and Jerusalem is our home turf.

So is Mussa going to support the families of the Palestinian workers who feed their families from the money they earn building houses for Jews? I agree that in "contested areas" of Jerusalem, the only building that should be taking place is for PEOPLE - not Jews or Muslims or Christians - this should cease. But in the West Bank, why not let - even encourage the building in the settlements? Why shouldn't Jews be allowed to live in the future Palestinian State?????? Finalize the borders and the problem is solved very quickly. Problem is, Netanyahu will not make the hard choices or prepare our people for these.

The hidden issue is Sunni vs Shiite dominance in the new Middle East. Abbas is nothing but a figurehead ever since he surrendered to Iranian proxy Hamas. The bigger issue is the Arabs vs the Persians as many Arab states - Lebanon, Syria - have surrendered to Iran. Assad, even if he wants to, cannot break his deal with Iran - he'd be a dead man. So there is more to the dynamic than the always used excuse of the Palestinians and Israelis. Neither the Arabs nor the Persians, the Sunni's or the Shiites care one iota about Palestinians. They are the sacrificial lambs. Time to wake up. In addition, what the hell does indirect talks mean? They've had indirect talks for over 60 years and still the Arabs want yield even a grain of sand. Israel should take this time to destroy Gaza. Not with bombs, but by turning it into a pig farm. Destroy their land without killing a soul. But ruin the soul and the soil.

All christian and muslim arabs should be made to leave West Bank and Gaza BUT.... A Giant 100 ft wall be built all around Israel. Every Zionist should move to this new greater Israel, Walled off and safe. That way they can feel secure and be left... to themselves.