Ambassador to Germany: Israel wants to boost NATO ties, may one day join

These beggers on the street offered civilization in 50 years more than your Arab countries in last 1500 years minus Algebra that came before Muhammed. Last time I chacked no American soldier sacrified his/her life for Israel, what other support has higher value in your intellect? Money? Arabs hold 2/3 of global resources their cummulative GDP does not add to that of Germany. SHAME on YOU!!!! i.e drip irrigation was invented in Israel so your people could be fed with minimal resources available and have no more pathetic excuses how they are so poor and underprivileged.

Mr. M, Tell me what are the Palestinins? My dad is a palestinian born before 1948? What is their language? what happened to them when they had first intifada in 1969, in Jordan? How is it that all the Islamic symbols in Jerusalem are built on top of Jewish ruins? - that solves the question of who was there first 1 It's probably because the Jews just decided to take their relocation packages and high salry offered by the Romans,Syrians, Turks and left Jerusalem. To make it more clear to you in US using own example: if the Indians rised an Army and took over their land would that be a fair situation? Indians = Jews.

Thats a fact. So stop having delusion that you are superiror race. With out US military and civilian aid you are beggars in the street.

Isreali nukes are good for nothing. You must agree. It has been already proven. So get rid of them and only then your calling Iran to be free of nukes will be legitimate.

Virtually you have already wiped out the legitimate palestinian state. You don't allow it to have independent army, no independent foreign policy. You will control its border. Imagine Iran meting the same to you!! You will start crying aloud no doubt and loss of humanity from this planet. But its ur benovalence when you transfer the seige mentality on the palestinians! You think its divine right! What a logic!

You sound exactly like her ,monotonously anti-Israel.Except she's supposed to live in Ramallah while you're camping it rough in Raanana.

Dear "Swede" - NATO is the LEAST of your wories. You'll have your hands full when the 15-20% Muslims in your dear country will reach and pass "critical mass". You already feel them just by looking at the hundreds of mosques popping up in your friendly neighborhood and at the weekly clashes your police has with their friandly mob. Time will soon come when you'll run BEGGING to the Danes, Norwegians and ... why not, NATO! Don't preach about the toothpick in other's eyes when you can't see the pole in your own!

I am not sure whether to read this as a compliment or yet another Anti-Semitic "Jews Rule The World" remark. By looking at how EU, UN and some indoctrinated Leftist American fools like Mr. Higgins here have been licking Muslim a***s for decades, I don't grasp how many idiots are still around claiming that "Jews rule the world". I guess that even if they would feel a Muslim doing them a favor from behind, they would still rationalize how this was Israel's doing. What a pityful bunch!

OK mr "Avi" (ahmed) from "Ra'nana" (Ramallah). Your post was a perfect waste of bandwidth - full of slogans you learned at the Mosque or at the Communist Party meetings (today it is almost the same thing). What a great way to show off your imbecility! I wonder what your REAL name is so that all your neighbors and friends know how enlightened you are.

You know not of what you speak. Until John Kennedy's presidency, Israel received no weapons or military aid from the US. Israel won its War of Independence in 1948 and the Six-Day-War of 1967 on its own. ISrael also won the Yom Kippur War of 1973 by itseld, this time receiving an emergency shipment of American weapons. You seem to be suffering from the typical anti-Semitic delusion of the all-powerful Jew.

Lets get real. Israel is wholly protectd by America already and has been through it's 50 year or so history. Even without a formal defense treaty, America would come to Israels defense. So lets stop this crap. Plus without U.S. aid Israel would have long ago been pushed into the sea. American Jewry and pro Israel lobby groups have every senator and congressman in their pocket and they dare not offend Israel in anyway lest they be targeted to be booted from office. This is a damn fact and it is not anti semitic. It is cold fact. So lets stop the bull. Israel does not need nato or nato protection. America does it carte blanche and otherwise

Avi-what you said is ignorant! Read the (true) history books, not some fabricated view of history. Israel ONLY exists today because of their superior strength over their bullying and murderous neighbors, and because of the miraculous blessings of G-d. Israel was born using only a handful of arms and overcame great odds to survive. It is the JEWS' birthright to the land Israel occupies, including Jerusalem. The act of giving ANY part of this land away (as recently debated), violates G-d's law. Even if this giving away of Israel was allowed by G-d, it would be a GIFT, not a payment of extortion. Remember, it is NOT the Jews who repeatedly vow to kill another race, nor do they silently allow members of their own race to commit heinous crimes against humanity, with little or no condemnation of such acts!!! WAKE UP YOURSELF--it is Israel's survival that demands military superiority, not a bloodthirsty desire to exterminate others--such as the motives of her foes.

The person claiming to be AVI is neither Avi nor from Ra'anana. The style and content of his postings is similar to that of a "BRIAN" who also claimed to be from Ra'anana (and who disappeared after I proved that he was an impostor), and I suspect they are one and the same person. This person has also posted on another list today, where he used stereotypic anti-Semitic expressions, thus proving that he is not Jewish at all, and therefore not "AVI".

it's completely intelligible why you want to replace them by Israeli ones. But Sweden doesn't want it,we have always felt threatened by the NATO and don't want to end up being occupied by Israel. With you Dutchmen,we could deal hands down

This would be a mistake for Europe and the USA, because the costs outweigh any benefits. Israel is in the Middle East, not Europe, therefore it is up to Israel to learn to find/make peace somehow with its neighbors.

I'm not sure it is all too good an idea. Israel's membership in NATO would meen giving up it's right to independently decide on it's own security needs, brcause of some NATO rules.

why r u so naive? it must be nice to wake up everyday w/ such naivite and innocense

for Israel to join NATO. After its final borders are set, of course. And I don't mean unilaterally.

NATO is an obsolete institution...the soviet union has gone...why keep NATO? It restraines NATO countries from acting unilaterally and there communal defenses are much to be desired. It's essentially an outdated European institution.

I wonder what kind of a lavishly free life style you are living in Israel? You are a sickening result of too much freedom, yes, there can be such a thing, we are also seeing Arab parlament members in Israel preaching it's distruction, Israeli keneset members gave advise in the open to Arafat as to how to hurt Israel, and even traveled to Lebanon and helped Hizbulla. This is a country surrounded by regimes that would have executed anyone of the above persons without a second thought. So, Avi your ass is protected in Israel with jewish blood, in my opinion, it is beeing wasted on your likes.... Hertzel

Holy head up the crack AVI..what have you been smoking? Israel is the cause of the middle east problems, Israsel has been threatening its neighbours. Of course I forgot..it truly is Israels fault. Its Israels fault Ahmedinijad the loonie leader of iran got elected and threatens to wipe Israel off the map. I forgot it must hav been an Israeli speech writter for him. Clearly Avi, you are an idiot trying hard to be promoted to a moron. I think you are close to getting your promotion

It would be a good idea for Israel to be a member of Nato, whether as a full member or affiliated. Nato's structure is such that an attack on one is an attack on all, and this would enable Israel to be more secure. Especially if and when a two state solution is established. However, Nato should also invite Egypt and Jordan and perhaps Lebanon, therefore there will be a block in that area of the world where their defence will be tied in with Israel. This would act as a buffer against a potentially nuclear armed Iran.

There is no sense trying to explain history to anti-Israel and anti-semetic people. People focus on their self-interest, or emotions and biases, and not as much on reason when they make political judgments. So we must focus on our self-interest, be strong, and continue our struggle for our national rights, which very few in the world have ever or will ever acknowledge.

It is curious why Martino raised the issue of Israeli membership in NATO, a prospect that has been kicking around for years, and one in which Israel itself has no apparent interest. Possessing a nuclear arsenal makes Israel more capable of defending itself than most of the NATO-member states. And, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer's negative response carries no surprises. The EU members of NATO have been following a policy of neutrality, for better or worse, with respect to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, that would be compromised with Israel's admission to NATO.

Arabs are not dogs, this is disgusting thing to say! 2000 years ago type of history argument is kind of stupid! Let us stop teaching people Law or even the laws of physics and evolution and judge and decide on everthing using our ancient history and religious books and documents? No one with a slight knowledge of history does no know about the suffering of the jewish people. Other nations have suffered too. For example, the Shia have suffered a lot and perhaps that is why I am finding similarities between the attitude of Iran and Israel! May be it is a good idea that all countries in the middle east get nuclear weapons and at the end annihilate each other?? what is the use of such fanatics!? Let us all grow up and acknowledge eachothers fears and the right to a decent life. We have no other way. We do not want Europe to defend anyone, we need them to promote peace and test their weapons elsewhere!

Dear Sir You do yourself and your people and mankind a great disservice. Germans not more than 60 years ago used the same language to dehumanize people of the Jewish faith which resulted in the holocaust. How cruel that descendants of those very same victims should now speak this language of hate. Be careful Sir, your actions and language are anti-Semitic for it attempts to legitimize genocidal race hate. Shame on you!

Dear Sir You do yourself and your religion a great disservice. Germans not more than 60 years ago you?re the same language to dehumanize people of the Jewish faith which resulted in the holocaust. How cruel that descendants of those very same victims should now speak this language of hate. Be careful Sir, your actions and language are anti-Semitic for it attempts to legitimize genocidal race hate. Shame on you!

you should all get your act together and stop pissing off the rest of the world, stop moaning about your rights when you infringe others and learn something from the civilized world, 1.violence does work when the other side does not listen 2. tit for tat violence is a sign that you need to sit down and talk 3. it won't be easy but you can compare those who refuse to Iain Paisley .. and they should be beaten down by both sides (if that fails then an international judge, who is not a American, should sanction their imprisonment as they are acting against the community at large. It ain?t that complicated !

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Palestinian Arab fascism is traced back to 1920's, when they commited ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Jews and killed handreds. During WWII, Jerusalem mufti Hajj Amin al Husseini, a close friend of Hitler, was one of the leading architects, if not the leading architect, of Hitler's Final Solution (despite being less well-known than Adolf Eichman). He also organized a muslim fascist brigade in Europe, which hunted Jew in Europe, killed, and sent to Nazi death camps. The mufti was also the man who mentored Yasser Arafat, the leader of the PLO. Thus, PLO has been a fascist organization from the beginning.

I would really like to see Israel join NATO. But I doubt that this would hinder any lunatics in e.g. Iran to bomb Tel Aviv as soon as they get the bomb. But it would hinder all other nations to attack Israel like it happened various times before. Some of you might say now that we cowardish Europeans wouldn't dare to come and help you, but we would if we did not want to render the alliance useless. (what nobody wants). Furthermore, let Israel join NATO would set a sign that the West stands firm and together. How was this saying? Together we stand, seperately we fall?!

BRAVO FOR AVI , THE ISRAELY POLICY TO CONQUER MORE LAND TO SOLVE THE ZIONIST PROBLEM , ON BEHAVE THE PALESTINIAN EXISTEND , THE ENTYURE SISTEM IS THE PROBLEM

why dont you go and live in gaza instaed of living in raanana and talking like an arab.

Avi, Frankly you should re-look at history. Especially From 1949 to 1973. Yor ignorance does not make you right.

It'd time for Europeans to stoptheirtheir Middle Ages Anti Semitism. Even the Catholic Church has recognized Israel as a modern democracy trying to live a safe life. They have to recognize theArab and other Musilem nations as what they areagressors.

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Avi. You're one confused individual. Jews fleeing Russian and later German butchers escaped with their lives with the help of world Jewery and purchased land in Palestine. Your ancestors didn't show up on the shores with guns and attack poor innocent Arabs. That's the Arab lie that apparently you've heard enough times that you have chosen to accept it as fact. The victims who choose to attack Israeli civilians and terrorize the rest of the western world are rabid animals, who have been dehumanized by Islam. The proper solution in dealing with rabid animals is to put them down, not to try feed them snacks so they will come to like us.

Just a note regarding Helm's pretty much accurate comments. Let's not forget that "Palestinians" are a recent creation and never existed before the 1950's. They are an amalgam of Fertile Cresent Arabs more than half of whom migrated to present day Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank during the last 100 or so years as the Jews made the place more attractive and after 1948 the U.N. Handouts made it even more attractive to call oneself "Palestinian" to collect welfare.

It is amazing that none of the Arab countries or people in Palestine recognize that although Israel has the bomb and is constantly attacked, it has not used it. It is clear that Israel, will onjly use it as a last resort. Could the same be said of the Arab states? Wouldn't it be easier for israel, instead of sending soldiers for raids, to just send planes and bomb everything with cheap bombs instead of using missiles to be accurate? The entire situation is tragic, and I regret every loss of life, specially of innocent children Israelis and Palestinians alike. I do think Israel shour retreat to it's 1967 borders. But it is also fair to say that Arabs started it in 1948, they should make the first move in showing that they want peace......

Classical (pre-"Enlightenment") Judaism has always (if you know otherwise, please cite for me examples) been opposed to making treaties with non-Jewish entities. To the point where the Rabbis taught that Abraham/the-Jewish-people were punished/suffered for making a treaty with the Phillistine (Palestinian?) AviMelech. The prophets berated the people and kings for putting any faith in other nations (Egypt, Assyria, Aram, etc.), and using those emotional supports to strengthen their hearts to turn away from G-d, rather than correct their behavior. If nations of the world understood the relationship of the Jewish People (what does Chosen mean?) to Creation, they would, of their own volition, send armies to protect the Kingdom of Priests, the Holy Nation. Of course, there will be those who will label this belief as the rantings of a religious fanatic/zealot/extremist, because they cannot bear the ramifications of this idea. Nevertheless, our history bears witness.

The State of Israel is a political entity based on reality. The State of Palestine is a state of consciousness, similar to halucination and self-delusion.

Pablo B: "Palestine" is not, as of yet, a state. Additionally, Israel has never threatened to wipe the nascent state off the map. What then, is the point of your remark? That Ahmadinejad's words and policy mean nothing? Jews, to you, are obviously expendable. You are free to your opinion, but, you should also expect that your unwholesome instincts will be publicly pointed out.

the palestinians never had a state in this area. they are a new "nation" which was created mainly because the surrounding arab states wanted to create tension in this area of the globe. an antagonistic movement to the one of the Jews coming back home - finally after 2000 years of exile. Don't kid yourself Pablo! The Jews are those fighting for their rights here...

what a predictable and ignorant comment. Israel wants a palestinian state more than anyone. We have seen over and over again that the palestinians won't accept the existence of their own state unless it comes with the elimination of israel. And hamas' recent statements reiterate that. Israel will accept the rights of palestinans to coexist, the palestinains will not and that is the fundamental difference.

I don't remember anyone threatening to end Palestine's existance. First of all the State of Palestine doesn't currently exist, I hope it will but not with Hamas in charge. But trying to wipe you off the map? It's not like the Palestinians had their own land before 1967. Egypt, Jordan, England, the Ottoman Empire, and I think the Mamelukes whoever they were - when have Palestinians had their own land? Since we left Gaza. If giving you your first bit of independance is the same as trying to destroy you, it's no wonder we don't have peace in the Middle East. And it's just a few decades ago that Palestinians were trying to 'throw the Jews into the sea', but we don't hold that against you.

Italian Defense Minister Antonio Martino: "The state of Israel is the only state whose existence is called into doubt by others," Except of course the State of Palestine....

Wise up folks,Israel is the cause of Middle East tensions,and the ME nuclear arms race.Israel doesn't need protection.It needs to act peacefully towards it's neighbours instead of threatening to bomb them all the time.Israel has been an agressor since it's beginning.It is time to make it wake up and change its ways.