Algerian minister: Sarkozy in power thanks to Jewish lobby

I thought Algeria was decolonized? I guess they are still reading Max Regis's newspapers and Edouard Drumont in Algeria. And the current political climate in Bab el-Oued hasn't changed much either between the OAS and FIS. So much for decolonization!

Europhile you should know that there is a very interesting number of arab immigrants that are fade up with their own community, and just want to work and lead a normal life as french citizens. These people voted for Sarkozy !! The number of jews in France is not that significant to elect a president but I assume your fantaisies just reveal a very healthy antisemitism. As up today no cure has been found for your disease ..SORRY!!

Europhile, you're ignorant. 1. US policy is nOT steered by "Jewish lobby". USA has often gone against Israeli interests - forcing Israel from Suez in 1957, forcing Israel to release Egypt 3rd Army in 1973, forcing US to end Leb war in 2006, forcing Israel to accept Euro monitoring at Rafah (which allows arms into Gaza), ..... 2. Genetics show Jews have had little genetic mixing inEurope; while some assimi in France Germany UK, mass of Jews were in east with little mixing. See Hammar, Natl Acad Sciences.

You are very correct. And of course who among the self proclaimed defenders of the oppressed even care for the Kabyles in Algeria.

"the row of Arab appeasers `ruled` France before Sarkozy" It sounds like Neo-con-speak. Unfortunately your remark sounds as subtile and delicate as Sherif Abbas's views, although in another direction. As far as hatred and simplistic views are concerned I am not sure that you may lecture anyone.

TO # 24,well said.I thought I was reading my own post! I've been saying similar things for a long time.If you go back on my posts,youl find a partner in thoughts.I'm trying to educate them.

Algerian in Chicago accuses me of misinformation about the repression of Berber (Amazigh) culture and language in Arabian occupied Algeria, but he is in total denial; this kind of denial comes from the fact that Arabs and other Muslim Occupiers love to point the accusatory finger of occupation at others just to alleviate their own guilt at taking over other people's cultures and destroying their traditions and making something that was beautiful into something that is Arab. "Half the population are Berber who despise Arabic, while half the Arabs prefer French to Arabic." http://www.mideastnews.com/ALGERIA8.htm Please look at this website (amongst many others) for the truth about Arab repression of Amazighs in Algeria and all N. African countries.

I have to admit that your answer is much better than mine, which I wrote prior to reading yours.

He did not deny saying it. Antisemitism because there is no such thing as a jewish lobby in France. It has always been an argument from extremists to prove that jews control France (and the world). French jews (like americans) vote like their countrymen/women, and usually are more to the left.

Hey folks, what I we taking this failed state seriously for? Why? I remember travelling to Morrocco during the glorious Algerian civil war. Woooooooooo....scary indeed. Anytime the word Algeria came up, there was an erriness, a spooky residue of organ music, a "don't go there" sign strewn across the foreheads of the Moroccon taxi driver. Algeria has only recently seen its civil war, 250,000 dead Algerians, not a French soldier in sight. Algeria is upset with France because after kicking the French out they have been incapable of producing anything but Algerian immigration to France. Today these North Africans are showing their peculiar creativity by shooting Fench policemen, setting fire to cars and libraries, & generally sucking out of the French coffers whatever they can. We should point our fingers at the Minister and laugh. BTW as minister of veteran affairs, who are the vets, are they civil war vets? Algeria humiliated, by itself, is jealous of France!

And now I am sitting in my office,planning how I will control the next elections in the USA,Spain and Ruanda-Urundi. As a break in my delicate work,I decided to have a look at your comments so as to get a few moments of laugh.

Algerian resident community in France!

Phillip, I read the arabic ORIGINAL interviewin "El Khabar", it was mistranslated in "Le Figaro". But even if he said that Sarko was brougt to power by the jewish lobby (which is wrong), where is anti-semitism in that? 1) Because this is the expression of a disdain for pluralist Democracy, treated as equivalent to "Jewish power", a very old far right argument against Democracy. Usually "Jewish bank" was used instead of "industry". This is the only one novelty. 2) Because it is a delirious and irrationnal overestimation of the influence of Jews in French society and elsewhere, a typical feature for antisemitism (and lack of education). You are not even able to realize it. It says a lot about your common sense.

Hey I was talking to Lynn, explaining that you don't know half as much as you think you do. If you were less bombastic Dino, we might be able to talk to you.

Saying loud and clear upfront that he supports Israel or would do things subtly behind the scenes.? People elected Sarkozy knowing his stance on Israel. The haters cannot cope with the French electorate accepting that. Yes L.is a hater and not very bright.

Phillip, I read the arabic ORIGINAL interviewin "El Khabar", it was mistranslated in "Le Figaro". But even if he said that Sarko was brougt to power by the jewish lobby (which is wrong), where is anti-semitism in that?

Lynn, I'm sorry to tell you that you are a typical example of someone who has a victim complex. I just said that we shoul "criticise" jews because most of them are supporting Israel which is for me a new and crual form of colonialism: replacing a whole people by another because of historical and religious believes, this is a summum of religious extremism!! this is my opinion. Just tell me where is "hatred incitation " in all this? OK, what about the refugees? 4 millions, including those living in Gaza & west bank, they wanna go home, it's a universal right, can someone please tell me why Israel refuses their return? If you'll say that it's because they will disbalance the demographic situation this is not our problem because we are not zionists and we don't believe that Israel is a state for jewish people only. Solution: allow the refugees to return back home (it's not their mistake if their ancesrals embraced Islam, and the Moslems did never expell jews, talk to Rome), Thanks Haaret

Re: Jewish Converts; I actually have some information around. It may be in an almanac. I'll look for it. Like I said; either Algeria or Libya.

Not only is he a "Sherif",is he also "Abbas's cousin? Sarkozy brought to power in France by Jewih lobby (INDUSTRY) Saddam Hussein brought to power in Iraq by devout Muslims (via TERROR) The Taliban brought to power in Afganistan by devout Mulims (via TERROR) I.Haniyeh brought to power in Gaza by devout Muslims (via TERROR) Stalin brought to power in the USSR by fanatics (via TERROR) The Kmer Rouge brought to power in Cambodia by fanatics (via TERROR) Of course we all know that modern fanatics obey Allah's commands:enterrement/stoning women to death,lash women(teddy bear or not),enslave women and killing/torture of grown-up is the norm. Children learn in classroms hatred, martyrdom,upon command, slaughter their own sisters (accepted ritual) The above is a sad comment on the future of civilization in the 21st. centuty.

I found out that it was pointless to discuss with Linthwaite. He has a deep hatred for Israel but not only. He is also a bitter antisemite, and takes his sources from extreme-right web sites claiming that Sarkozy is a mossad agent. Of course he will find credible all the hateful propaganda that would explain why some do not think like him.

As Moroccan, I'd rather not comment on Algeria and even less on their government... but so what, here we go: France and Algeria have a very difficult relationship because of colonialism and the ensuing war; tensions that seem to flare up again every now and then. Most recently, there was a discussion in France on the merits of colonialism, and this must have upset a lot of Algerians; very understandably may I add. I'd guess that this remark by M. Abbas was just a clumsy stupid way for them (or just him personally?) to retaliate. If at all, it was much more directed against France and Sarkozy in particular, than against Jews. That's absolutely not an excuse for antisemitism, but hopefully it puts things back into the right perspective. Okay, enough advocatus diaboli for now.

I agree. God Bless Australia!

Hello Cipora, Sorry but my previous answer for you was not printed, I have just noticed. Too much of `dangerous` for this waters radical Islam impact on Europe blabbering I guess. Just to reitorate one thing: obviously my `French Jewish Lobby` remark was tongue in cheek.

The Jewish Lobby in France??? What the hell are these idiotic Arabs talking about?? The French have always been whipped cowards throughout history. During WW2 they collaborated with the Nazis. Surely the majority of Jew hating Arabs, rising AntiSemitism and violence against Jews and non MUslims has anything to do with Sarkozy's election?? Surely the mere fact that the French are fed up with the stranglehold that the Arab world has on their country and their culture has everything to do with his election. Its about time a leader came into power that can stand up to the Arabs!!! Go Sarkozy

Circulated before an election. As opposed to saying that LeFigaro said.Can you tell the difference?

You are correct, the jews chose to leave Algeria. Actually Boumediene Called on them to stay saying there were original algerians as being there before the arabs. Still a substantial community: You are pushing a bit. When I was a cooperant in Ghazaouet ( VSNA 1982-1984. there were only 8 jews in Oran (the second largest city in the country). All of them very old people.

Why is this not treated more seriously by the mainstream media and so-called 'progressives'? If anything comments by Muslims are given a free-pass and always dismissed by leftists as understandable in the context of Israeli Arab conflict. Of course the reverse situation is blown way out of proportion by the same individuals. Reminiscent of the way the left's disgusting behavior when the Nazi's were just coming to power.

Dear Co-frog. You are right that there is no such thing as a jewish lobby in France, because this is not the way french politics work. In the US it is a different matter, as the system is based on lobbies (probably origined in the individualism of the US society). The jewish lobby is not something exceptional it is one lobby among all others, including arab and muslim lobbies. Every group or even line of thought can be a lobby. I had a friend who was an environmental lobbyist.

You should read the interview again because you are wrong. He clearly said that Sarko was brougt to power by the jewish lobby. He never mentioned Israel, and of course the real issue is that demand that France apologize. In turn I would ask Who is going to apologize to the 200000 killed since 1992. At least hal;f of them at the hands of the governement.

You are correct. When I lived in Ghazaouet (VSNA) between 1982 and 84, there was no such anti-french hatred. Furthermore many people claimed they were missing the jews as they lostb of lot of their own culture with their departure (music, gold craftmanship). True that some jewish cemeteries had been descrated (like in Ghazaouet) but not by the town inhabitant (who actually cleaned it up, when I mentioned my shock and outrage after discovering it). This new affair has more to do with the inability of the corrupt algerian governement to start an economy for all despite the richness of the algerian soil. It has especially to do with the ridiculous demand that France apologize, while crimes were commited from both sides during the independance war. You are right Algerian were talking very proudly about it and at the same time had no resentment toward the french people. This minister should also apologize for half the death inflicted by the governement during the civil war from 1992.

and anything Arabs say is gospel

I fully agree with you (though I do not share your dislike of Sarkozy). Of course as you know the real issue is the algerian demand that France apologyze for the colonisation and the independence war where atrocities were commited by both sides. He forget to ask his own government for the atrocities commited by all sides in the civil war that started in 1992.

And what does your message have to do with American support for the democratic freedoms exhibited in Israel, and its aversion of those who support terrorist murder of civilians?

You are perfectly right, though many french jews still voted for Royal. Many like me changed their voting traditions and voted for Sarkosy, for exactly the reasons you mention, that is the necessity for France to change. The very vast majority of reactions for that Algerian minister, both from politicians of all boards and simple citizen shows total outrage and is perceived as an insult to France.

And a proud alliance it is!!

then we all would have been spared WWII. Yes?

for reporting an outright lie to their Jewish readers. Smacks of yellow journalism!! Inciting and causing hatred.

Le Figaro is a verifiable source. You might not like what is there but there is an accusation that Sarkozy was involved with Mossad. If you read my posts I have only just said that they were allegations which if seen by a minister of an Arab country would be taken as fact. Which would explain what this particular person said and why he said it. Obviously you would rather I didn't mention what is a report in a respected french paper about a French President.

""Helped to stamp out Howard the Bush puppet!"" Bush puppet? The very first thing Rudd said when he proclaimed his victory on Saturday was to reassure the US that Australia will always honor their alliance with them.Not a word about pulling out Aussie troops from Iraq. After all Blair&Gordon Brown are also labour and that doesn't stop them from being best friends or -in your opinion- Bush's puppets

only in his mind....but I like him despite his insufferable conceit on occasion.

are the aboriginals not an occupied people ?

Zionist plot! Just like everything else.....:roll:

No the Arabs are not trying to take over Australia ,yet. Although Hilaly and Abu Bakr Bashir have talked about it and a Melbourne Imam had documents seized showing he wanted to wage Jihad on those who do not accept the Koran. There have been various Islamic terror plots here. So its coming. Remember after the Bali bombing Abu Bakr Bashir the spiritual leader of Jemmah Islamiyah said we should all convert to Islam and Australia is part of their Pacific Islamic state. Keep up the denial for them!

"The average woman is born into near slavery, leads a life of drudgery, and dies invariably in oblivion. This grim condition is the stark reality of half our population simply because they happen to be female." ?Findings of a 1985 Pakistani governmental commission investigating the status of women in that country

Palestinians watch video recordings (which they purchase) of other palestinian boys who are interviewed before they kill themselves. Palestinians find it very interesting watching young boys talk about their coming suicide. Palestinians love it.

Palestine: two state solution- Israel and Palestine. On veut pas etre plus royal que le roi(We don't want to be more royal than the King)as they say... Israelis and Palestinians have to sort it out themselves.

from a very highly dubious source. It has been picked up and embellished by Iran and the usual. Can you just once be honest enough to admitt what your "sources" actually say.Can you actually ever quote truthfully from verifiable sources?

My wife heard from her relatives in Australia that after the recent election in Australia, that they wish to come to America. I can't say that I blame them, and we are prepared to assist them as much as we can.

Then along came the Arab colonialists. The leader of the Palestine Liberation Organisation was President Arafat,an Egyptian. In 1948 the Arabs attacked Israel to steal it all.That did not work so it was ongoing terror instead. Do you remember any calls for a Palestine on the West Bank and Gaza when it was under Egypt and Jordan.?Now all of a sudden it is part of Palestine.

Please give facts and figures of who owned what? What is your definition of Jewish?

Helped to stamp out Howard the Bush puppet! Aren't we lucky not to have an occupation such as Israel in Australia - other wise we too would have anarchy.

not to be petulent, but the Swiss have now got their own share of Islamophobia. Non-integration into Swiss society has caused a certain change of attitude in the Swiss country. Muslims having a great deal of problem with the seperation of church and state and Swiss law. (swissinfo.com) The minaret issue has now become a political issue. Also the fear of Muslims becoming too prolific has reared its head with the Swiss as well. And, I never said the Swiss weren't a Democratic country, just less so then they were.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/11/386648.html http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20071012.FIG000000291_les_etranges_accusations_d_un_cybercorbeau.html You could also google Sarkozy mossad

So these Arabs who are stuffed full of anti jewish and zionist propoganda are going to be shown on these television series pages from Haaretz admitting that the Jews run everything and are responsible for everything. To prove their claims are true. You know the programmes. The ones denying the Holocaust, the ones showing as fact that Jews sacrifice young kids for their blood. Even showing the socalled apparatus used to do the deed. That very successful Egyptian series from earlier this year. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Yep I agree with your teachings, lets just provide the idiots with all the propaganda they could ever wish for. A jewish website agreeing with anti Israeli propaganda. That really is intelligent.

briton, What a lie! Algerian Jews were not expelled from Algeria.They opted for French citizenship and left Algeria in 1962 with the other french "pied-noirs" on their own will. After Algerian independence and in accordance with Evain treaty (between France and ex-french Algerian colony),the Jews and french"pied-noirs" had a choice to either choice Algerian or french citizenship.They opted for the latter and most of them left. You misinformation does not help to build bridges and understanding between people.

Check him out(one gal to aonther)I'm sure you're not too old for that!Besides,did I not once tell you that I am a voodoo doctor from Timbuctoo?Lots of doctorate,but no patients! H. hey,I thought you were referring to old Karl.Thanks for the compliment.Moi,me win Nobel Prize,man! But,maybe your problem is you've forgotten what it is to be young.When were you at Oxford,some hundred years ago! read old karl again,now there's someone who is forever young,and try some other reading from your dusty bookshelves.Add some new ones.James Petras is alive & well. Good luck! You might even find a beautiful terrorist yet!

While at home the extreme socialist Greens are still whistling in the wind pretending they are an environment party.

T0 # 114 I'm trying to teach you all. Thet say we control the stock market,the world economy,the weather,the Tsumani(according to the Indonesian) say of oourse it's us.All this & more .That;s not anti semitism. That shows how stupid the rest of the world,with there billions can't do what we can do.Ha! Ha! Ha! Wait you....there's much more to come.I'm teaching you gradually,bit by bit how to counter the other side.

Hitler is said to have had a Jewish great- great-grandmother who became pregnant while working as a maid in a Jewish household. (Wikipedia) Kind regards.

So if the Jews are so successful in lobbying everyone as well as they all have all the money in the world (in addition to being only 23% of all Nobel Prize in science Laureautes worldwide and 27% in the US), why Moslems would not outsmart them? Why don't they create their own lobbies, make lots of money and be as successful? Why do you guys always complain and play victim?

France elected President Sarkozy because France felt that he was the best man to lead France. The French have had many different leaders, and they vote according to what they consider to be their interests. I am sorry to see that people in Algeria do not see it that way.

"The Jews( i love `em)" Do you? Why are you declaring it? Is there anything you wish to assure? "just read the defamatory posts on these pages and tell me you don`t find plenty!" I haven't counted them. But after three years blogging at Haaretz I can safely say that for every chauvinist Jew (in the French sense), there are five pathologica antisemites propelling their poison back. "I guess Fortuna, you will just choose to see what you want at the end of the day. Prejudices are hard to get rid of." Cipora talked about France. I talked about France and I lived there. So don't call "prejudice" where there's experience.

Celebrity or celebrator....??? :)

I think I'm starting to agree with you. I try to reason with anti-Semites but your so right - its just impossible! Their argument is ALWAYS comes down to THE SAME: "You can't prove they don't, therefore, they do" You can try and say, "Okay, but why are you singling out Jews then!? Why are you saying Jews control this or that because it can't be proven not so? Why only the Jews!?" But it never works! They are usually blinded by stupidity rather than anti-Semitism, but of course the charge itself is always originates with anti-Semites. Now I'm just going to wave my hand and say, "Yes, Jews control and are responsible for everything. Anything else?"

I understands that Haaretz tries to bring balanced information. That's not nice what you are writing about Muslims.

# 130 you made one mistake and thatis on the contrary tell everybody & the more the better.

Those are just for starters. . .! H.Does anyone know who your Jaberwoky is?Either now or in the future. I rest my case.

Hey guys hhat's the matter with you all.Don't you kwow any psychology?If they say he is in power,thanks to Jewish lobby, say yes that's true so what,if they say the Jews have so much power that they control the finances of the world say SURE it's us.What else? always agree to whatever outrageous thing they come up with,like the Tsumani being caused by us,JEWS, that;s fantastic,see how powerful we must be. Put fear & awe into their hearts.The other stupid way,,,of belittling them & trying to talk logic with them ,never worked! For hundred of years that apologetic approach failed completely. I'm trying to teach you.

Gina, guess which country is more "democratic", Switzerland or the United States....???? Ask 100 Americans and 75 will say Switzerland. Ask 100 Europeans and 99 will say Switzerland. Ask 100 Arabs and 101 will say Switzerland. Right, Gina...??? :)

What I love about such amoral thinking as actually believing the United States congressmen support the nation of Israel solely because they're under the influence of a *gasp* Jewish lobby in the US, thereby giving Arabs and Muslims in the US a "boogieman", is that now the American Arabs and Muslims who support Palestinian Islamic murder of Israeli civilians won't have much to do except whine and complain. Force feeding them your antisemitic hysteria, Swiss, only sets them back, keeps them from making necessary changes to alter the sympathies of the American people, keeps them marching with "death to Israel" and "F the Jews" signs, Keeps them marching at "peace rallies" with Nazi paraphernalia, keeps them burning US and Israeli flags, maintains the status quo of their spokesman blaming "the Jews" for Palestinian murder of Israeli civilians, and most salient of course, keeps Israel square in the favor of Americans. Thanks again Swiss, and to all your moral relativists in Europe.

I just can't decide whether it's Dino Walt or Dino Mearsheimer.

As has happened in Australia last week-end. Good news, eh Peter!

I have to laugh. Unfortunately the good Jewish guys are called traitors or Jew haters. In the UK 2 prominent members of the Labour Friends of Israel (David Abrahams and Jon Mendelsohn) are in deep sh*t. Possibly bring down the Labour Party. These are good friends Israel needs to recruit for immigration.

Of course our lobby elected the President of France. We also elected the chancellor of Germany, the Prime Minister of England, the Spanish king, Putin,the Prime Minister of Japan, the presidents of Peru, Chile and Argentina, King Abdallah of Jordan, and what's his name, the Iranian maniac, and many others! But don't tell anybody!

May the United States always support free and democratic societies and always reject the morally corrupt thinking of Europe which excuses deliberate terrorist murder. !!!

Lynn, trust my word: Jewish control of French politics is crap. Jewish control of British politics is crap. Jewish control of Swiss politics is crap. Jewish control of American politics is crap. AIPAC control of U.S. house and senate and most U.S. presidential candidates (not the state department !!) when it comes to issues related to the ME conflict, is THE TRUTH. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it....:)

The Jews of France are not that powerful. First of all, they are less than 1 % of the population. Second thing : they are not very rich and in power positions like some American Jews (in average, french Jews are not much richer than the other French people). They have a representative institution, the CRIF (Conseil Représentatif des Institutions Juives de France), but that's not actually a lobby -unlike the AIPAC, that is a true lobby in America-, even if it sometimes meets (about once a year) the political leaders, just like the representative institutions of other religious groups do. About Sarkozy : he is not that much close to the Jews. He is close to France,and above all close to the people with big incomes and/or properties. He admires the abilities of Israel, and respects its rights, but he also supports Palestinian rights.

tough some twisted figures, thanks for reminding me what my ancestors never quit claiming: in those days, we both people lived in (almost) perfect harmony. too bad a frustrated war mongering ex boumediene/ fln battle-jim speaks up! en tous cas, vos interventions sont source d' espoir. merci.

Come on guys, I just read the original interview of this minister, I'm not defending him (he's still ignorant for me), but he just said that Sarkozy is pro-israeli because his matenal grandfather is jew. Is it an insult to say that someone has jewish origins? Where is the anti-semitism in all that? Sarkozy himself said that he's a friend of Israel and is proud of his origins. Now, any Moslem who says the word "Jew" is accused systematically by anti-semitism. But in the end of the day, zionist jews took the land of another people who was reduced to refugees, took its ressources,.... Is it not time to criticise them??

Sarkozy came to power by the votes of the people-he won an election. That is what happens in democracies such as USA, UK, Israel and France. The Algerian minister should not be blamed for failing to understand that, since his country, like most if not all Arab and Muslim countries, is a dictatorship. They may have elections there but not honest elections. The ministers' antisemitism is no surprise either since his country expelled all its Jews and looted their property. His statement should open the eyes of the civilized world to the essential importance of justice for the Jews of Arab countries.

The protocols of the elders of Zion make it perfectley clear that they do.

So there is no mention anywhere by anybody that Sakozy is a sayan for Mossad then. No mention at all that Sarkozy has worked as a secret agent for Mossad. So if I was say an Algerian minister with access to the internet I will find nothing which mentions Sarkozy and Mossad in the same sentence. There was no great change in France's policy pertaining to Irans alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons either? Bury your head in the sand Mitch. Afterall ignorance is bliss.

NOT just your distortions as have done so often in the past like the planned demolition of Churches in Jerusalem. Where are the articles that say what you say. You have made 2 statements here to day URL's please.

Well, Algerian Minister is more than correct. I was in France and I saw the situation with my own eyes. There are no chances there as really all are occupied by the jews by the laws and policies.For the Muslims the greatest disappointment about France is that French development were highly contributed by the Muslim's wealth since the colonial time but things are totally controlled by the Jewis and unfortunately French power and politics are being used against the Muslims now miserably.This is the point of the Muslims and Algerian Minister is no difference in his opinions than the common muslims.I admire him to have the courage to tell the truth and reality!!!

@Utagawa: Stop your misinformation. What Occupation? You must live in a different planet!. Algerian society is made up of ethnic Berbers, who are either 1.)"Berber Arabophones" and define themselves with the Arab culture/identity or 2.)the Berbers who still speak their native laungage, Amazigh. The french language and culture influance has boundery between most Algerians. If you insist on your misinformation, it's your prorogative.

You made a statement care to explain how you arrived at that

France does not have a Jewish lobby. The accusations by Algeria stem from their general paranoia and hatred, especially since Sarkozy has decided to crack down on riots in French cities and mainly suburbs. Indeed, he was elected in large measure on a platform of law and order. His more pro-American stance is also bothering the Muslim leaders. The remarks by the Algerian minister is pure incitement, based on age old antisemitic canards, and is unacceptable discourse in the international arena.

Please keep spreading ugliness and lies. That will insure the constant state of war around the planet.

call it Jewish conspiracy or blame the US. Wouldn't it be nice if the Muslims just say once in a while, "we have made many mistakes, goes for Europe as well. After all, the whole ME mess was created by Europe to begin with.

@ Yosemite: Based on my reading of history books, What you said should be exactly the opposite, ie: The Jews of Algeria were originally Berbers who converted to Judaism before the Muslim invesion of North Africa. however, most of Algerian Jews "prefered" to identify themselves with the Jews of morish Spain who left Spain after the "Morros" and Jews were expelled from Spain(15th centery?)...

Srkozy is in power because of free elections. He won, dimwit.

"For Algerians, language is inextricably bound up with the conflicting visions of their country's identity. Half the population are Berber who despise Arabic, while half the Arabs prefer French to Arabic for daily communication... The crowds, carrying banners declared, `We are not Arabs,' and chanted anti-government slogans in Berber and French." http://www.mideastnews.com/ALGERIA8.htm

What the article says is that the French police is investigating what group or individual is behing the sending in March 2007, the week before Sarkozy's election, of a forged, anonymous email alleging Sarkozy's ties with the Mossad during the early 80's. Nobody ever seriously suspected Sarkozy of anything, except perhaps the usual suspects at the Tehran Times, Al-Ahram, Pravda and all other purveyors of conspiracy theories. A far cry from your characterization that "Le Figaro reported that french police are investigating Sarkozy`s alleged links with Mossad". In fact, just the opposite since french police are inclined to believe this was a right-wing agitprop move.

@Sarah,Algerien indipendance is as important to Algerians as is Israeli Independance to Israelis, make no mistake about it. No one in Algeria ou anywhere should tolerate Antisemitism. Most Algerians are of Berber descent, so they do not have a hangup about jews or others. This love-hate relationship between Algeria and France is partly to blame for this unfortunate incident.

It's funny to hear anti-semites claim the Jews control US, France, Russia, the stock market, even the weather!

http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20071012.FIG000000291_les_etranges_accusations_d_un_cybercorbeau.html There you go the report from Le Figaro as requested. Which is what i originally posted that Le Figaro reported that french police are investigating Sarkozy's alleged links with Mossad. Which is what this is all about.

Why do you happen to read only Jewish writers? Karl Marx, Noam Homsky, Norman Finkelstein? What fascination do you have with Jews?

"After independence, all the Maghreb countries to varying degrees pursued a policy of "Arabization", aimed primarily at displacing French from its colonial position as the dominant language of education and literacy. But under this policy the use of both Berber languages and Maghrebi Arabic have been suppressed as well." And it's not only the language that's being suppressed; it's the Berbers (Amazigh) themselves. After the Arab invasion and occupation, Berbers were forced up into the mountains, and even today, they have very little voice or representation in Algerian and Moroccan Arab governments; they are definitely "second class citizens" which might be a contradiction in terms in Arab occupied countries where there are actually very few "first class citizens" unless you're talking about people in government or with a lot of money. Talk about OCCUPATION!

Chris, stop bullshitting everyone on this board. The item you refer to is from the Indymedia site quoting the Tehran Times and Al-Ahram about a story purportedly published by Le Figaro. Again, give me links, dates, anything tangible or is it just rumors and disinformation? Methinks you are getting a bit confused from reading too much creepy stuff from the "Truth Movement", see what I mean? Hey, I just Googled Linthwaite & Mossad and got 249 hits. Are you hiding something from us? You naughty, naughty boy, Chris!

Salaaam Lackshmi. I am a cuddly little Teddy Bear named Mohammed. I used to play with the children at a school for girls. We had wonderful times together, except for that one time when Fatima, a rumbunctious child once tore my ear off. she didn't mean it, & we continued to be friends. There was a lovely teacher who spoke Arabic in a weird accent. But she was kind, and made sure I was clean. Now I have heard that this kindly woman is to receive a punishment for naming me Mohammed. Forty five lashes for adopting little ole moi. Lackshmi I am sure that you have a good soul and care about the innocent. Can you please write a letter and plead for this kindly woman to be freed. Thank you Lackshmi, I am sure that you are as distressed as I am.

Read all that stuff at Oxford when I was a kid. No, I much prefer Jabilovsky's, "Book of the Undead" especially the chapter, "You can be the cleverest man in the world and still be a Shmuck"

bigotry, incitement, hatred, paranoia These are the sentiments that are propagated non-stop in the Muslim Arab world. Hello Cipora, Non-stop against the Israel/Jews allright. Over 60 years of that crap constantly brainwashing pride & honor of Islam everywhere & supported by growing armies of `born` into anti-Semitism, far left & socialist lunacy concept, or cultivated in the early youth or teen development, one must imagine the haight & religious fanatism the hate had reached if the Arab leaders can not control the urge on the international stages. The simple question begs to be asked: where was the `French Jewish Lobby` when the row of Arab appeasers `ruled` France before Sarkozy? How powerful that hate is if the most simpliest, common & fully understood (the simple hand shake) things became so convoluted in the Arab world vs. Jew, & how ignorant so many are to ignore or dismiss it in straving to peace.

What do you mean "It is not secret that the Jewish guests of France were strongly behind Sarkozy". Guests? These are fremch citizens with full democratic rights that did or did not vote for Sarkoszy and nothing else. What are you trying to insinuate? As for your greeting "Cheers to all of my avarice friends out there!"... Get a life Pedophile, throw away your Svastika, go south somewhere with your boyfriend and enjoy life! Sieg Heil! (Antisemitism is like pornography: I can't define it but I know it when I see it)

Rhe Algerian mimister cantbe all wrong after all the Jews in France did get the French to make questioning the holocaust a crime and th questioner jailed. The Jews did get the French to compromise on the French credo Liberty Equalilty Fraternity. If the Jews can get the French to jail people who do not think as the Jews want them to, they can make the French do anything - even give up French and learn Hebrew.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/11/386648.html There are many sites which comment on the Le Fgaro story. As I stated earlier all you have to do is google Sarkozy mossad.

...So my best guess is that the Neo-Nazis will attack Muslims in Europe in order to start something... Yossy, since your long sentences need alot of energy to understand, while this is about at 00.09 AM/Nov.30, and I'm a little tired, I need your permission to take a little nap. Yo.

Do you have a link to share, some proof, anything at all to support your allegations or did you grab it from the talkback colums or even perhaps your favorite media source, http://www.revisionisthistory.org/ -- the world's leading Holocaust denial Web site...

I demonstrated that about 2-3 months, ago when I predicted a miltary aircraft flying over a Western City loaded with nukes. I wrote about it on Haaretz one month before it actually happened. An American aircraft was mistakenly loaded with live nukes and flew over three American cities before it was detected. That is well documented. Now some of this may be highly evolved perception but nevertheless, I have tried to predict the next great act of Islamic terrorism and I have to say I have been stymied. Possibly, I have been looking in the wrong direction. Now you should know who Hanoi Dane is because I have pointed that out several times. He is currently touring Europe attracting a lot of Nazis to his appearances. He talks a lot about North African emigration to places like Spain. Now you should also know he is a friend of Syria and Iran. But when he says North African, he means Muslims. So my best guess is that the Neo-Nazis will attack Muslims in Europe in order to start something. Yo!

I find it offensive. I don't like Sarkozy at all, I find him stupid and racist, but this Algerian minister should either quit or clearly apologize. Otherwise Sarkozy must postpone or even cancel this travel. I suspect the scope of this declaration is to cancel this travel and to create problems for Bouteflika.

...Look at Kadaffi and tell me that guy`s not a Jew... Probably that was the reason why he stopped Libya's nuclear program a couple of years ago and soften his attitude toward Israel. And, agreed to pay compensation to those victims of LOCKERBEE airline bombing. My God, Yossy, why didn't I think about this before.

Look at Kadaffi and tell me that guy's not a Jew.

These talkbacks are worthless and are dominated by people posting virulent antisemitism. Hope you're proud of yourselves.

Sarkozy is 1/4 Jewish.

according to which Sarcozy is considered a Second Degree Mischling, due to his Jewish grandfather, and is therefore unfit for any role in gentile society.

The French people have finally realized that the huge Muslim population in France is extremely dangerous. They have started to notice a trend, that all problems in France stem from the fundamentalist Muslims in their midst. France will not become another Muslim state under Shariyah law. If you want that government, go back to the oppressive state from where you came, maybe then you will appreciate what it is like to live in a Western society and stop acting like such animals. When they start acting like human being they will be treated as such, but until then I think all forms of torture should be used to make sure we find every sleeper cell. They will not get away with anything if we don't let them, if they don't like it, let them go home!

having gone through the process several times !Take my favourite Western philsopher,for instance.Much as I adore him,and much as I am deeply impressed by the tour de force that is Das Kapital(all 6 vols,I may remind you) I have differences of opinion with him.He is a humanist in the greek 'Man is the measure of all things' mode(can't immediately recall the name of the greek).This is both androcentric & homocentric.Neverthless,Marx remains my first love,but subsequently have gone much further in my thinking.Hence my view of the jewish Lobby is a well considered position based not on just one or two articles or books.And I take the ZioCon very seriously.Much as I admire both Chomsky&Finkelstein(NF'sdashing good looks to boot,unlike my first hero,who certainly was not good looking!)I concur with Petras.Read the exchange between NF & Petras.I cannot recall the site I read this but it is an interesting exchange. About the greek,same person whom Plato criticises.The name will come back to

Let's cut the racist vs PC exaggerations, OK? First, it is true that high crime emanating from Muslim neighborhoods helped bring Sarko to power. Two, there probably were over 50,000 cars burnt during the riots and couple hundred each day since then. The person who said it was 400 plus needs to recheck his sources. Jews voted for Sarko, but the French want/need/demand(!!) reform of their retirement pension system which is on the verge of bankruptcy. The French want a more free-market economy with a reformed labor code which makes hiring/firing of staff extremely PAINFUL! The French want/need/demand him to clamp down hard on criminel!! Foreign policy (Israel, the US, etc.) played no role in the election. The Jews have their place in France as do Arabs and Black Muslims. But people are SICK AND TIRED of being bullied by thugs who call you a racist every time you object to their increasingly violent behavior. The Algerian Minister of the Mudjadeen can straight to Hell!

First a wee note to Yesemite; mate, you are wrong! not all jewish algerians converted to islam! and if you are a jew yourself then you should know your history because 'the jews as you said who went down there to north africa' were actually expelled from judea over 2000 years ago. secondly,sarkozy has been democratically elected to save a country run by strong unions, still living in the dark ages of market reforms, unable to do anything about the huge rise in racism anti-semitic attacks. his election win has nothing to do jewish lobby if there is one in france. renaud.

...Maybe that Minister is Jewish too!... And all of the sudden, those smart Jews became stupid idiot when they converted to Islam, weren't they, Yossy? Thanks God, Einstein wasn't converted to Islam. LoL.

he was elected. What do you think?

There are excellent precedents for the Algerian Foreign Minister's perceptive and objective remarks, and we particularly recommend that he re-reads "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" and "Mein Kampf" The Jewish lobby was most successful in engineering Adolf Hitler's rise to power, leading to countless million of deaths, including - and this is the really really REALLY cunnning bit - many of its own people, thus cunningly disguising its inexorable rise to power under such leaders as J. Stalin, Mao Tse Tung inter alia - all obviously Jewish rabbis

That is because Israel does not want peace. On account that if there is peace then the ready supply of American taxpayers dollars will dry up. Sarkozy was employed by Mossad at the behest of a project drawn up by Begin, who envivaged a number of Jews in influential posts throughout the world who would be willing to help Israel. In the case of Sarkozy that would be to change France's foreign policy where it declared that France could live with Iran having nuclear weapons, to France will attack Iran. If you were the Algerian Minister what would you be thinking? Such a swing of intention by Sarkozy must ring some alarm bells don't you think.

My understanding is that a whole group of Jews went down to North Africa a long time ago and converted to Islam. Now it may have been Algeria or it may have been Libya but oops! Maybe that Minister is Jewish too!

organization. They dictate elections all over the world, the foreign policy of countries, the finances, the domestic policies, nuclear arsenals and the demographics and social makeup of countries. But they just can not get it together to dictate peace with a bunch of dark age, tin-horn dictators in the ME.

"The reaction of many of the people responding to this talkback suggests that there may indeed be some truth in the rumours that Sarkozy has indeed had dealings with and probably continues to have dealings with Mossad". The reaction suggests nothing of the sort. It suggests that many people are aware that the myth of Jewish "control" has been used to justify the most horrendous slaughter of innocents this world has ever known. They always claim that we control everything before they murder us. Not this time. I

Many young Muslims in France are an industry unto themselves. A very destructive industry, but nonetheless one that the beleagured car industry appreciates. The French are praying that they can somehow get back to " normal " with over 100 cars PER DAY torched.Of course, in the last few years, those figures have risen substantially, putting a smile on the face of auto makers.

article or material which whether accurate or true or not, is irreleveant so long as it validates and confirms impressions, prejudices, or opinions that were already established in our minds. These articles, books or material further re-inforce those sentiments and we become prisoners of our attachments. This is normal human behaviour. It requires great effort to question and break away from old teachings and "truisms" and not look for re-inforcements but rather for contradictory thoughts. I am also glad that I may have caused you to have a laugh or two.

Thanks to the Algerien for responding so bravely -- these are, in fact, tragic remarks on the part of the foreign minister. Let no one think that Algeria was "better off" under the French. The French in Algeria were better off under the French -- but the Algerians suffered like the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza suffer today. Colonialism thrives on lying to itself about its own enlightenment, on denying its own inherent racism. The truth is that in the occupied territories, as in occupied Algeria, one group of people has flourished on the backs of another. This doesn't excuse the Algerian minister's remarks. Arab countries -- especially those with such a magnificent Jewish history -- should respect and embrace their Jewish brethren and, more importantly, practice an equal amount of self-respect and self-love. Victims don't help themselves by crying about abuse, that's for sure, but no one helps by denying the abuses that were perpetrated in the first place.

This is just the type of comment that Clickyfool and company would make. Enough said

She only has it right if you apply what she said to the rectionary and Islamaphobic posters you get on here. I can name you several bigots with pro Israeli leanings on these talk backs. As for paranoia, c'mon you gotta be kidding. The Jews( i love 'em) cornered the market in paranoia. Incitement and hatred? Well just read the defamatory posts on these pages and tell me you don't find plenty! I guess Fortuna, you will just choose to see what you want at the end of the day. Prejudices are hard to get rid of.

The character calling himself "Genuine Tosefta" is neither genuine nor Tosefta, just a Fake, otherwise known as Star of David. Can't get the attention he believes he deserves so he uses my name. The public is requested NOT TO COMMUNICATE with the Fake so as not to encourage this phenomenon.

I'd love to see your dream come true, but the facts don't support it: islamists will never co-exist peacefully with anyone. To them the world population is classified in terms of enemies: I suppose Bahaiis are at the top of the list of those that must be killed, followed with Jews, Christians, Bhudists, etc., etc. and finally with Sunnis (if you're a Shiite) or Shiite (if you're a Sunni). There may be a chance for peace only if enlightenment comes to islam (I wouldn't hold my breath for that though).

You the same people crying that Hamas is a terrorist organization and must not be supported though was elected by the majority of the popular voters! Can you tell us what exactly you want to say and to see in this world???

And you will get 246,000 results. As the old saying goes, there is no smoke without fire. Why shouldn't this Algerian minister express doubts about Sarkozy and how he became President of France? More importantly why can't this minister of a soveriegn state express doubts about the motives of the President of France? or the motivation of France's foreign policy? The reaction of many of the people responding to this talkback suggests that there may indeed be some truth in the rumours that Sarkozy has indeed had dealings with and probably continues to have dealings with Mossad.

Thank you, Cipora.

Obviously the French people saw in Sarkosy an intelligent man,an honest man and a man to move France forward.Nr 51 seemed to be whistling through his baguette.

Chuckle, chuckle. Thanks for putting a smile on my face.

how people in powerful positions can possibly get there with such ignorant notions. I am beginning to believe I live in the Middle Ages where superstition and disregard for the truth is running amok. There are some days when I truly wish the Muslim crazies would just disappear off the face of the earth.

France elected Sarkosy because they need him and it was the majority of French people who decided that.Anyone thinking it has anything to do with the fantasy of a Jewish lobby must have fished her opinions from the wc:InDraJaya apparently is confused and thinks that Jews wield worldwide power and even decide the length of the average baguette.This is the sort of nonesense one finds written on wc doors.Perhaps that is the only place where a free press is allowed in some countries.

Listen, If 14 million Jews can run the world and 1.3 billion Muslims can't, then the Arabs are done for a lot sooner than you might think.

"The fact`s he is A JEWISH" #29 Indrajaya The fact is he's not. whilst he hasn't ried to hide his ancestry by no definition other than the Nazi one from Hitlers rulebook is he Jewish. So how do you make that a fact? If you play so hard and fast with 'facts' then expect your posts to be viewed as bullcrap. PS. Using your own analogy Mohammed was a Pagan. After all- all of his immediate ancestors were pagans? It's a FACT!

That the French Police are investigating Sarkozy as there is concerns that he actually receives money from Mossad in return for a french foreign policy which favours Israel. The important issue though is the fact that Sarkozy is not been taken seriously amongst Arab states, including those infiltrated by Al Qaeda because he is seen as a mossad spy. This has ramifications in the war against terror in places such as Algeria, Tunisia and Morrocco

your posts make me laugh!Peter SM the war on terror is on extemists like taliban,not on islam.And with the exception of bigots(on both sides)India has an excellent relationship with its Muslim population who go to Mecca for hajjs,but are essentially Indians.Lived there for centuries.They are also eastern in their orientation.Re:the west in general,I like the Greeks.Hence my favourite ethnic jew(whom I adore!) is Greek in his thinking via Hegel.Even Das Kapital(6vols.in all!not just the well known vol.1) is actually a Hegelian enterprise.But I digress.When you've all read James Petras we'll have a chat.

...INDRAJAYA.How do you decide what is "a Jewish"?... What is this, a test to be a minister of the next THIRD REICH? The easiest way to decide that: ask him and his foreign minister.

So, what you are basically saying is people of Jewish heritage should never be allowed to hold office or become heads of government or own businesses?

Is Sarkozy etc "a JEWISH". How?

When you are on the receiving end! There is racist innuendo running through this whole topic.As well as any other number of "Jew" generalisations all the time here. Not a squeek from you is there.

Entire civilised France became sick of the nightly firestorms in the Banlieus. Sick of Libraries ,Schools etc being burned to the ground .

And even if these allegations are true, so what???? The message here is all too clear: how come the Muslim World feels so paranoid & impotent?

God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Al Gore, the part Jewish, and Joe Lieberman, the 100% Jewish, would have been 200 times more effective and powerful, even objective to help the Jews and Arabs reach peace, than the Bush/Cheney Inc., who only worsened the conflict between the Arabs and Jews. Yes, Lieberman os a staunch supporter of Israel, but never was an anti arab/moslem. Al Gore is a decent human being. He would not have killed people.

Hats off, Gina, you are really trying hard, but I am afraid in the end it's simply not good (convincing) enough. Even if there may be no "smoking gun", there is clearly too much circumstantial evidence pointing to the other direction. Therefore the verdict is clear: (Majority) of U.S. house and senator members: Guilty of not having any (moral) backbone. And Gina guilty of (far) too much spin....:)

Bead, I think you need a serious examination of your political knowledge.

The fact that this declaration has stirres up such a huge reaction is proof enough that the algerian minister was right.

Those who know the Algerians, would know they are very tolerant and open minded. The proximity of Algeria to Europe and historical ties with it, made Algeria and North Africa all too distinct from the rest of the Arab world (in fact, it would be fair to say that North Africa is probably overwhermingly Berber and co-existence of ethnic groups is a model to others). The remarks made by this Minister only concern him and are not a reflection of what the people or even the government at large think. Algeria has exceptional relations with Europe, the US and the rest of the world. It is true that most Jews left Algeria the day it became independent (I have already explained the reasons why they left - but they were not expelled as some propagandists claim). However, there is still a substantial Jewish community in Algeria. The ex-Finance minister was in fact an Algerian Jew. So, people should not generalise.

If you take any 10 points course on the history of Middle East you will see one can tell all but not of self-pitying for Arabs. Go to www . lu . se and see some. I do think France should give some compensation to ex colonies. People living now in France are mostly outcome of former French servents in colonies. By them one cannot tell France made it right for debts from past.

A Minister of Veterens Affairs, must be the lowliest job in the Algerian Cabinet, somewhere between the Chief Janitor and Chief Banana Peeler. This Abbas, who probably fought against the French Colonialists and got his backside booted a few times is now the voice of "reason"!. Sarkozy was elected by a majority of French voters because he is a strong leader with realistic views. Bon jour.

Muslim Lobby works too in very odd ways just they are not focused of any power. When you get 1 kg of beef for 3 USD. When you get 5 kg of flour for 3,5 USD and when basiclly they give a chance to all,non-Muslims buy at the same places, to survive for a piece of Arabic called halal you begin belive in many things. I do agree with Dino, Sarkozy is about changes not about Judaism. Thus, his changes bring wild winds to France.

100,000 cars burned by the Arabs? Do you realise how RACIST you sound? and on top of that you lie! The exact number was 425 as reported by the French police. The riots were not led led by "Arabs" only, but by many other ethnic groups in response to the very appauling conditions they were confined to. These people were confined to live in ghettos with the minimum possible services if any. The "banlieux", as they are called, are a disgrace to French democracy and "Liberte, Fraternite" values. I am glad some French politicians are realizing the scale of the problem and wants this to be addressed by giving the inhabitants of "des banlieux" jobes, decent social services and hope. They are after all French citizens.

Why do you think that an Algerian minister for veterans has to be an educated person?

surprised. nobady heard about sarkozy being an israeli agent? here is le figaro http://preview.tinyurl.com/2gqxu7 iranians already exploiting http://preview.tinyurl.com/38kfcb ok it is smear campaign but still investigated by french police according to paper.

Ma chere Sarah So, you SERIOUSLY think that Algerians were better off under colonial French rule? If this is what you believe, then may be you also believe that Jews were better off under Nazi rule?! (no offence to French people). I am an Algerian. You don't know what colonial France did in Algeria! You have no idea! The apartments, the schools and roads they built, they did so for the "Europeans" not for the "indigenes". There were European neighbourhoods and indigenes ones, worse than apartheid. We paid VERY dearly for our independence: 1.5 millions killed in the last 7 years of the war. And trust me, there is nothing better than living free and independent on your own land. And Algeria today is FAR BETTER than under French rule: France left Algeria with a shocking 90% of the population illiterate! We were not allowed schooling. Both my parents don't know what a school look like! There was nothing good for the "indigenes". Still, we aspire for good relations with France.

The French riots were not an Arab uprising, it was the 21st century equivalent of a peasant revolt. It was the "young and disillusioned". Also, as minister of the interior, Sarkozy is directly responsible for inflaming the situation rather than controlling it. He has a lot to answer for, in fact.

No "Jewish Lobby " recquired. All your own work.

are always in evidence on these very talk backs, mostly by right wing pro Israelis. I guess that's what you call irony?

You've just proved the point I made in my last post - not out yet. The factt hat the French president doesn't like Iran is not because he is Jewish - it's becasue there is nothing much to like about Iran, which comes across as the country most threatening to world peace at this point in time. Iran's behaviour - the real cause for anti-Iranian sentiments - has nothing to do with Jews.

Congress reflects the will of the American people, who are overwhelmingly proIsrael and supportive of democracies such as Israel which grants all its citizens freedoms such as freedom to worship, freedom of speech, freedom to travel and marry as they wish, freedom to wear clothing of their choice, freedom not to have bombs strapped on their bodies or hidden in their livingrooms, .... instead of terrorist regimes and organizations. Just because the Swiss are enamored by those who produce music videos for the youngest, most innocent children of society, encouraging these kids to detonate, certainly doesn't mean Americans are embrace the same sort of repulsive moral idiocy.

for controlling the world and using them as a scapegoat for all failures derives from the same fear that men have of women and which is behind the dictate that women need to hide their bodies and faces. It all comes from fear as well as from the inability for introspection, of admitting faults, of accepting weaknesses. It's not my fault (said the rapist) - she invited it by dressing provocatively. It's not my fault - said the antisemite, the Jews made me into a failure, they deserve what they get.

and you'll not have to deal with Jews ruling over you.

"where the hell do these supposedly educated people get htis crap." Education has nothing to do with character or morality.The latter are choices.

Sarkosy was brought to power because of his policies.I cannot see how Frances 700,000 Jews could have a lobby big enough to exert power in France.I think Mohamed Abbas has a mouth big enough for him to put his foot in it and a brain too small to control his vocal cords.I think it is nevertheless revealing.The Arabs feel so sorry for themselves and their lack of social and economic progress that they blame everyone but themselves.Perhaps Brown of the UK was elected by the Christian lobby,Pappa Doc of Haiti by the Voodoo lobby and Lenin by the lobby of the red paint producers of Russia.Mohamed Abbas might make a better clown than he does Minister.I would sponsor a red nose,we now need some huge flapping shoes and some face paints.Anyone out there want to join in?

The Algerian minister is probably frustrated that the Algerians were better off under French rule. Since they left, Algeria is a third world country ravaged by internal wars.

Al Gore-Joe Lieberman lost the elections in the US although Lieberman is a Jew [100% not 25% ] and a staunch suporter of Israel. Michael Howard,leader of the tories in the UK lost the elections although he's Jewish. Is the Jewish lobby more powerful in France? Or maybe the Hungarian lobby has something to do with it? After all Sarkozy is also a descendant from magyar catholic aristocracy and his name is very common in Hungary. What about Carlos Menem the ex President of Argentina.He was of Arab/Muslim/Syrian origin and became the President of a catholic latin american country. The all mighty Jewish lobby works in mysterious ways indeed

The overwhelming perception in Europe (and probably around the world) that the U.S. house and senate are heavily influenced by AIPAC when it comes to Middle Eastern issues is unfortunately sometimes leading people to "over-simplify" things. However, the election of Sarkozy had very little to do with his Jewish background. Even the immigration problem wasn't the major factor there. It was mainly the economy (Sarkozys will to start reforms).

Mark, you parallel with the US is way off base because the Minister of Veterans Affairs as you call is a major political figure in Algeria. And the veterans whose services he governs are those who fought the French. Besides, if the Secretary of Veterans Affairs were to make such vulgar comments in the US, he would be denounced and sacked within 24 hours. His career would be ruined. But NO ONE in the Algerian govt has disowned his comments, let alone sacked him! Nuff said!

These are the sentiments that are propagated non-stop in the Muslim Arab world.

The Algerian Minister's crass anti-Semitic remarks are unforgivable. Jews are an important part of French culture and have provided one Prime Minister and a number of important cultural, political and economic leaders. Algerians have come to France by the millions in the last fifty years or so, which is fine. But what about all those Pieds Noirs who were expelled from Algeria? In the meantime, Jews have made enormous contributions to all aspects of French life, but what have the children of Algerian immigrants contributed? If the Algerians want to Jew-bait, let's put everything on the table. Jews are intolerant (except in Israel perhaps) whereas the attitude of many descendants of North African immigrants in France is total intolerance towards Jews, women and anyone living outside their neighborhoods. In any case, if France is such an evil Jewish country, why do so many Muslims want to come here?

...a "Jewish lobby" being behind French President Nicolas Sarkozy... What if is the truth, why people so upset about the comments. The fact's he is A JEWISH. Another fact he doesn't like IRAN very much. Another fact he is one of the most pro-Israelis French President since WW II. Another fact, his foreign minister is a JEWISH too and he threaten to take military action against IRAN. Not a surprise at all.

This guy is the Veterans Affairs Minister, not the Foreign Minister or the Prime Minister. The comments were made just prior to a state visit from the former colonial power. What does this do to the relationship between the President of Algeria and the President de la Republique. I embarrasses the President of Algeria. What would hppen if the US Secretary of Agriculture said something nasty about Sarkozy just before a state visit to the US? Lots of embarrassment for Bush.

Arabs are in power in arab countries due to their majority. No lobby needed to vote in this riff raff. Then again, they don't even vote.

Is she also a minister in the French Government because of the Jewish lobby?

Sarkozy is in power because of Muslim Jihadists burning 100,000 cars in France prior to Sarkozy being elected. The French people then chose to elect someone who truly wanted to do something about it, Jews had nothing to do with it.

hiding it by attacking Israel. He is waiting for the right time to come out of the closet. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is also Jewish. His second cousin on the mother side was an Orthodox Jew. That's why a Saudi delegation came to Annapolis. Assad you ask? He is a convert to Judaism. The reason he will not allow the Palestinians to have peace with Israel is because he wants Israel to maintain control over Judea and Samaria. You no longer have to read any books by anyone about the jews. Just ask me and I will tell you who the Jews are and what they control. I bet you did not know we control all the oil wells in Iraq. Don't tell anyone though. Please!

Through years of being in exile Jews have mastered the way to co exist with other nations; they have even been successful in influencing decision making in many nations. The current conflict in the Middle East has been a negative factor to many Jews living in Arab countries. Once a full peace treaty is achieved Jews, Christians and Muslims will co exist as they have in the past is peace and harmony.

A friend of Saddaams.

These idiotic, insane muslim leaders really sound like damn nazis, making a reference to sarkozy being something like ONE EIGTH jewish (and 7/8ths non-jewish), having a parent who had one parent who was jewish, and making a conspiracy out of it. Hey people out there who can't figure out why Israel can't make peace with their neighbors: It isn't israel's fault. The people against israel are out of their damn minds and don't have the same logic you or other sane people do

about laksmi's answer:why do you let such poor devils into this chat?

undercover Jews. You are probably Jewish also but don't know it yet. And oh, China.....they are definitely Orthodox Jews.

If you lose its a conspiracy.Typical. Millions of Algerian Moslems in France.Its all somebody elses fault. Not enough Arab trillions in Europe and the USA?

Muslims project upon Jews the way Muslim are: a uniform thinking and acting barbarians.

what a great honor! Is the rest of the world's 6.5 billion people all idiots to be controlled by 14 million Jews which constitute 1/4 of 1% of the population of the world. Not very flattering to those 6.5 billion people. Out of self respect, I for one would never admit that my life, welfare, foreign and domestic policy is all under the control of a miniscule group of people. But I suppose we must tell it like it is, huh? Jews, you truly must be CHOSEN!

The French percieved need to alter work practices. The move between left and right that is normal in democracies Millions of Moslems in France. What a bunch of losers. Algerian minister obviously cannot cope with or understand orderly change in government.

Muslims project upon Jews the way Muslim are: a uniform thinking and acting barbarians.

With all their dislike of Jews this is what made French people vote for a strong man to wipe off the map the Muslims of France.

While Jews, as much as any other human group, are industrious, I don't think that they run the french industries. This is old-fashioned anti-semitism. Abbas should know better. Perhaps not. I love the Algerian spirit as exemplified by its rai music which is full of life. I respect the Algerian contribution to the War of Liberation for France and the Allies during WWII, despite the gross discrimination they encountered. They were fighting for French egalitarian values, so they told themselves. Algeria is also a profoundly religious nation which has tried to steer a middle course, and I hope that the two countries will build on that, even as France has a great deal of problems in integrating French-born descendants from North Africa and elsewhere. Room for lots of improvement there.

the Algerian minister's comments reflect the basic intelligence of a demented gnat. Surely the Algerian people can do better than to have a "pinprick of a genome" as a so called leader?

If it's true that Sarkozy's maternal grandfather was Jewish, that makes him eligible to make Aliya. Well why not, it seems the State of Israel will except any rubbish these days.

where the hell do these supposedly educated people get htis crap.

included in the Lobby's list of favourites.Likewise,David Miliband,possibly(Britain's fm).ofcourse,in the U.S. the Lobby has both dems & republicans in their pockets.The power of this powerful elite(working on behalf of a foreign country) is not possible without their control of industry & finance.I agree with James Petras's writings on the subject of the Ziocons, as he calls them. He traces the economic links in detail(The Power of Israel in the U.S.)Both Finkelstein&Chomsky,take the problem out of its ethnic dimensions to a broader field.However,I think the ethnic dimension is also there.I am inclined to support the Petras theory.

The Arab world with few exceptions is the well-established home of antisemitism. Mein Kamph and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are freely and openly available anywhere in the Arab world, Arab newspapers constantly feature anti-semitic (not just anti-Israel) articles and show vile anti-semitic cartoon caricatures of Jews with hooked noses and legal tender coming out of every orifice of their bodies. The Algerian minister is merely reflecting - very accurately I might add - the Arab world's mindset when it comes to Jews. At least he's honest. The French government should react with outrage to this insult from this high-ranking Algerian official and should not let it pass without an explanation and apology from Algeria's president. Now that France has a new government much more friendlier to Israel than the previous one we can expect similar comments in future emanating from the Arab world and of course Iran.

There are wing nut in Israel and throughout the Jewish community throughout the world. Some have even made it to politics. But throughout the Islamic world the number of lunnies are beyond the pale and beyond comprehension. Lets face it, Sarkozy is in power because of concern amongst the mainstream of the French electorate about the immigration, overly left policies of his predecessors and the related concern that if France doesn't move into a market economcy it will be left behind. The amount of direct influence of Jews in most European countries, including France, is teeny and in many cases much smaller than the Islamic lobby.

every aspect of everybody's life on this planet will become a self fulfilling prophesy. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Sarkozy is in power because of Muslim Jihadists burning 100,000 cars in France prior to Sarkozy being elected. The French people then chose to elect someone who truly wanted to do something about it, Jews had nothing to do with it. As usual Muslims will always put responsibility for their own misdeeds on someone else, and as usual Jews are always a good victim for Muslims and their hateful cult from Sand Age Arabia.

would the learned algerian minister for veterans care to disclose even one member of the jewish lobby that holds all this power or will it be his secret. i thought sarkozy was elected by a majority of voters in a free and open election. this is just another example of anti-semitism by an ignorant bigot.

head of state," only the intention of spewing disgusting anti-semitism. Does he even know the Jewish population in France? Oh wait, I think I hear some more Muslims shooting at police officers, but thats ok, they are discriminated against and don't have a strong enough lobby like the Jews to protect them.

Although he gives the French Jewish Lobby too much credit. It is not secret that the Jewish guests of France were strongly behind Sarkozy. As to his "roots" Sarkozy is Catholic to the bone, he may have a jewish relative way back then but how many jews have gentile relatives? Many! Especially those Blond haired blued eyed ones! They sure didn't look like that coming out of Africa! :) In any case, he is trying to link it to the US Jewish Lobby, which is very strong and steers US foreign policy, but the difference is that the state in the US is weak, giving a lot of power to lobbist in general, in Europe the state is comparatively strong and the people are in their ethnic homeland giving more of a nationalist fervor that is able to slap back any attempt to parasidicly highjack a government as has occur (for now) in America. Cheers to all of my avarice friends out there! Cheerio!