Ahead of summit, Hamas threatens to make deadlier Qassam rockets

If you keep on poking me with a sewing needle, knowing I have a baseball bat in my hand, and I have warned you to stop over and over, finally I whack you with my bat...is that "disproportional" response on my behalf, or shear insanity on your end? According to U.N. and the Liberals, the fault would be mine. I guess a "proportional" response would be for Israel to ground their F-16s and start building Qassam rockets, then lob them aimlessly into Gaza, they may land on Hamas, they may land on goats...no guarantee. The difference is Israel targets Hamas fighters, whereas Hamas targets ALL JEWS.

In all your particular complaints, Lakshmi, you are ignoring the core fact that the Arab leaders hate the Palestinian Arabs, always have, and want nothing more than to continue to use them to point the finger at Israel and divert their own people's attention from their own tyranny and to cover their embarrassment over their loss in '48, '67, etc. With all the money they have sitting in big piles, they could easily have helped build a peaceful Palestinian state with gleaming cities, but they don't want this. They really don't. Let's stick to the core issue(s) in all it's dimensions. Michael

Regardless of what I may sound like to you, I know who I am and what I stand for. We all agree, our God is a God of Love and Peace. We don't all promote that. If exulting God as I know Him [Creator of all, with an utmost longing that we learn to Love one another, even going so far as to be the sacrifice that makes us equals through His Word]makes me sound like a lunitic. Emagine what you sound like exulting the men who desire war, bloodshed and death. Who do you stand for?

Not like someone from an ayslum for the mentally deranged! If you ever get to read Plato's Republic,check the famous Cave passage.The guy,the philosopher,comes out of the cave where he has been living with hallucinatory(in my opinion!although scholars have pondered the question for many centuries as to what this guy was doing inside the cave,apart from seeing shadows on the wall etc.)images,and then emerges into the broad light of day,into the Sunlight.It takes his eyes a while to get used to it and then begins his path to wisdom!Cheers!

for terrorists? Apart from that this guy Coburn took nearly 50years to figure out the Devi Mahatmyam.Not just a question of literal translation.The result: a stupendous work of scholarship.And you expect to figure it all out in what,how many days,months. ..? If you get hold of the Romain Rolland book there is an interesting(and moving)tribute by Gandhi to Ramakrishna.More of that anon,right now I have to go,but not as in those ads!

Maybe Haaretz needs a new category to highlight this kind of talk: "War wishers"

do you want killed in Gaza this time? What number is "acceptable" to you? I realize that to you, Gazans are less human than the Jews in Israel and killing them is meaningless, but when you say ... "If they don`t go in and rid Gaza of the Hamas murderers and end their threats then they are simply stupid" you do realize that you are advocating the deaths of thousands of innocent people, don't you? Because there are thousands of Hamas "murderers" living in Gaza among tens of thousands of their friends and relatives. BTW - If I were to kill several of your close friends and relatives (I won't but, what if), how would you feel? would you feel inclined to be friendly to me? indiscriminately killing Gazans only makes the destruction of Israel much more likely. You can NOT kill your way to peace. Maybe it is time for you to rethink your actions and pick ones proven to be less counterproductive.

Terrornator, you need to take a Chill pill/Exlax cocktail, take a deep breath, and relax.

ALL TOO TRUE!!!!!

Please don't be offended by my concern. It's just that I have always read you two as getting along well together, enjoyed your humor, and really think highly of both of you for setting a good example to many of the talkbackers that just want to hate for the sake of hate. My son is reading the Kite Runner, I'm waiting my turn. As soon as he starts the sequal, 1000 Splendid Suns and I finish Abrahams Children by Lloyd Fischer, I'll be reading it. And will not miss the movie when it comes!!! Anyway, don't worry about my worry, it's just my nature. It happens when one cares.

If Israel strikes back. Israelis especially civillians are all fair game.

If you know so much about your Goddess namesake, I would appreciate your enlightenment as to why you have chosen to personate her in your postings in support of Islamic obscurantists, such as Hamas and Hizbullah?

"deadlier Qassam rockets" and shorter distances to fire them. What is Olmert thinking of-aside from a Nobel Peace Prize-in going anywhere near these people? Ehud Olmert will have a nice Nobel Peace Pize to put on his mantle piece-assuming he finds a country willing to take him in-and the Jews in Israel will get genocide, and within a few years, all those Europeans who shed crocodile tears over the "Palestinians" and pretended to believe the Israelis were oppressing the "Palestinians," in the hope that the "Palestinians" would finish off Israel for them, and didn't tell the Arab states in general and Jordan in particular to cut the bull---- and take in the "Palestinians" will get the dhimmitude they deserve.

Don't you worry your precious little heart about either one of us. I just felt I needed to get something straight for once. Anyway, after the film, The Kite Runner opens next month things should change some. If the movie remains true to the book, we ought to see less Muslim bashing, and more recognition of a common enemy to all free people. Namely, Hanoi Dane and the rest of his party of 50-60 rotten tomatoes.

Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri and the rest of Hamas must have just woke up to the realization of what everyone else in the world knows. All the world powers and those attending the summit realize Hamas is being bypassed. They don't matter anymore, their leaders have squandered the one chance they had. They should have walked away from the takeover of Gaza but they thought this was the way to go. As usual wrong again. Soon they will be nothing but a footnote in the history books as another failure for the Pals.

Only this can return Hamas to reality.

"Here`s how it is:Hague Regulations(1907),UN Charter(1945),Kellog Briand Pact of 1928,glossed by the International Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1948,all have abolished forever the idea of acquistion of territory by military force.Long before the 1948 war." None of those are really about the acquisition of territory by war-redundently,extensive during WWII and long prior.And,the Arabs breached most of them. The relevent international law was established after the 48 war by the Geneva Conventions that you keep citing but clearly were not in effect at the time. Your attempt to rationalize an arguement based on International Law that Israel somehow needs to go back to 1947 borders in order to be recognized as the Jewish State to anyone not living a 7th century reality-even then it is a stretch-is completely deluded. The problem is that most of us want to have a real peace and it needs to be based on practical reality.If the prospect is based on you and Hamas, "Palestine" won't happen.

Why don't you just officially declare War on Israel and then hide in Iran? If you want tit for tat rocket fire, expect to get TAT!

I'm not sure exactly which inaccuracies Post 147 refers, but Wikipedia says this about Israeli Air Force Commander Dan Halutz: "On the night of July 23, 2002, an IAF warplane dropped a one-ton bomb on a Gaza apartment building where senior Hamas commander Salah Shahade was sleeping together with his wife and family. The building was situated in a densely populated residential neighborhood. Besides Shehada and his wife and daughter, a dozen more civilians were killed, most of them children." This was the principle reason why Fatah and Hamas resumed their so-called terror attacks. Some believe that Halutz' actions were deliberately made to provoke the Palestinians, something that they are quite astute in doing.

hamas IS the legal democratically elected government of the pals.so now their just "revolutionaries or gangsters"?maybe you could give us all a lesson in juvenile level lieing on an embryo level.make your mind up,which is it,lincoln?

would make an excellent target

How come your God messed up? Ah,yes,the ways of God are inscrutable,so inscrutable,it's taken 60 years and the poor Palestinians still can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Lead Kindly light,amid the encircling gloom,your plans have meant misery & suffering for the Palestinians while dear Virginian sits and enjoys her Thanksgiving turkey! Lord, you sure you're not a racist?

"ISRAEL SHOULD DECLARE WAR ON THE HOSTILE ENTITY" - B Heddem The problem is very, very, simple. There is no "Hostile Entity." Israel is by it's own demand, legally the "Occupying Power" in Gaza. Therefore Israel is legally the ONLY 'Hostile Entity" against which it could declare war. Hamas are merely revolutionaries or gangsters, but they are not a government against which 'war' can be declared. Sorry if this is too difficult a concept, but England could not declare 'war' against Belfast, anymore than Israel can 'declare war' against Gaza. Got it, or do we need to explain juvenile level legal concepts on a embryo level for you to understand?

we will make peace.Without it Arabs smell blood.Israel ,wake up and finish this once and for all.

Brant, you sound like you're derranged. Explain to me, which "credible" source did you get this information from "Hamas has killed more Palestinians than Israel has in the last two years" If you truly know the 360 of the situation that is going on, you would CLEARLY know who the victims are, unless, you are DERRANGED. It's infront of your eyes, don't spit out your made-up stats to support your lies. Ask your self, when was the last time an Israeli (a non-IDF personnel, over a month) killed by Hamas, and when was the last palestinian killed by your "peaceful" country? (2 hours ago). As i recall, the last Israeli that died was due to his feeble-minded driving skills. Over the past 3 weeks, atleast 2 IDF died from vehicle turnovers.....dont try to blame these deaths on us

abnormal.No responce is in order,it does not deserve one.

Hamas is forever sayingthat Israel doesn't want peace,that Israel is blocking the peace process. Israel is attending the summit,the Pa is going,Saudi Arabia apparently is attending. It's doubtful that they will reach any concrete agreement,but while these people are on their way to Annapolis to seek peace,Hamas is threatening increased violence..again..as usual.. Who doesn't want peace?? Hamas! With peace,Hamas becomes irrelevant.

she's even gone as far as to say she won't be reading my post anymore,now im sad and feel like crying.i guess that makes us all even.keep on posting,your getting under their skin,lynn,good job.

middle eastern countries have no use for their oil.it will be a day to rejoice.i don't know about you but im tired of financing the war on terror and the terrorist,both.

learn how to spell moron before you post here! and do,pray tell,what is my short memory? you said that at the first of your post then just went to left field and never finished what the short memory ploy was all about.next time try focusing real hard when you post,maybe you won't look so foolish.

you speak of how so much is going wrong in Israel. well this is coming from someone in indonesia. which we all know is such a wonderful and prosperous place right? no political corruption or poverty whats so ever right? not at all the third world or anything like that ofcourse. and by the way, get over yourself already. Israel's military might could have turn lebannon into a giant parking lot if they wanted to. and before you say it was because of U.S. assistance just remember that the russians gave the arabs plenty of military assistance during the 6 Day War and Yom Kippur. but that along with superior numbers didn't stop the arabs from dropping thier weapons and running off like cowards when facing the I.D.F. in a stand up fight.

for your information your entire country was formed by occupying other land.in america we did the same to the native indians.only difference between you and i is that your to obsessed with your lie,you wont admit you took your land and that your occupiers.i'm not,we took it.next time try not throwing stones when you also live in a glass house,it makes you look like the hypocritical fool you really are! thanks for showing all of us your true colors!

more aborigines,after all,thats how you aussies formed your country,right!if you don't read my post then dont prove to everyone here your a lier.he said she said if for idiots like you and your fellow countryman,moron ann.as far as war with arabs go,maybe your little pea brain might be able to figure it out someday.can you say islamic jihad and islamic domination of the world,thats what i thought,your just lieing to yourself and everyone in these forums when you pretend thats not their goal.when you and your abrab/muslim brother get your nerve up,just let me know,got it,fool?as far as recognising an occupier,the world has already recognised one,the one that took their land from the original owners,the aborigines.kinda makes you look stupid now,viper.

i live within spitting distance of san francisco and i've been to Israel twice for which i have spent much time in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. i seriously doubt you can come up with any place in the arab-muslim world that reflects the air of tolerance and openess like SF or Tel Aviv and to some degree J'lem. imagine how those cities would be if they were under arab control!? where do you think gay and transgender palastinians go for a night out on the town? it sure as hell isn't nablus or ramahlla where they would likely be mobbed and stoned to death. pretty much like they would if they were in say. . . jakarta. and lets not forget about that poor girl in saudi arabia who is getting set up to be publicaly whipped for having been seen with an ex boyfreind despite having been gang raped already. Israel will find no peace with the arabs until they can move forward as a society and live in the 21st century with the rest of us. think about that in regards to your hamas friends.

with attention,but keep sounding off!Here's how it is:Hague Regulations(1907),UN Charter(1945),Kellog Briand Pact of 1928,glossed by the International Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1948,all have abolished forever the idea of acquistion of territory by military force.Long before the 1948 war. Here's the bottom line:either israel abides by the rule of Law or it is simply a de facto state which can be challenged when the next big guy comes along! israel accepted Resolution 181 in 1947,precisely because it not only gave a Partition but because this was the guarantee of israel's right to exist.This is de jure and cannot be challenged. (BTW I fervently hope that Lynn will not read this post because she will come back and ask me why I am denying israel's right to exist.She has said she finds my posts boring.Keeping my fingers crossed she means it and won't keep asking me irrelevant questions!).

Of course they will read your posts. So will I. We like to know what we are dealing with and from where and by whom lies are are being spread. But don't you worry too much. We will not challenge you every time. We do understand that it may stress you.

I skip posters I find boring.Eli, sa va,mais ouis,you sound like a schoolmaster!

The same way they did on the very day that Israel withdrew from Gaza. They are faithfull to their Hamas charter. "Israel will continue to exist till destroyed by Islam". That's the bottom line the rest is spin.

I went to a religous Triology conference once that presented the views from the three major religions. The Imam said that Islam does not believe that they were created in God's image. When God said, "Let US make man in OUR own image", who do you think He was talking to? And do you have a general Islamic concensus on this?

I will not argue. As freewill IS God's way. I will share with you my perception of the major differances between my "religion" and Islam. 1) In Christianity, God rules; not Jews, Christians or Muslims 2) God's Word is consistant from one doctrine to the next. One does not eliminate the other. 3) Mohammed's words direct the Muslim people to take a position above the rest, politically speaking. This is NOT why God revealed His Word through the Jews (although some may beg to differ) God revealed His Word through the Jews, that His Glory may be seen through the few, And I believe as a guiding light to the rest of the nations. I chose Love, so no matter what you chose, I will Love you and leave judgement to God.

'"This is the first referendum against Annapolis," said Hamas official Khalil al-Haya. "The world must read what these rallies and conferences mean."' Right! It means that the Palestinian people are going to blow it once again for the umpteenth time in the past 60 years. Congratulations Mr. Khalil al-Haya for ensuring that the Palestinians will wind up with less than they started out with. Keep it up and the futuristic Islamic Republic of Palestine will be no larger than a postage stamp.

But since you've read Coburn how come you don't know the Goddess tradition where Lakshmi is the manifestation of the Great Goddess?Look at Mahalakshmi,Mahasaraswathi, Mahakali(Durga being a manifestation of the latter specifically,but all manifestations of the Great Goddess).Here,let me throw you a bone!Ramakrishna,the 19th century Bengali saint&mystic,worshipped Kali,yes she with the tongue hanging out.If you ever visit India you'll see that.I recommend that you read Romain Rolland's Life of Ramakrishna.Still good reading,even though an early work,1928. Stick with Coburn,for now,if you read it through you'll figure out the connections!

"And if not because of the UN mandate and recognition, modern Israel won`t exist." We all have room to grow. I believe they should be Lovingly encouraged toward those changes, not forced. Forced is not God's way. Acceptance and encouragement will bring about the needed changes. Is the objective to see the needed changes or to destroy them and try to do better for the glory of a people, rather than God? The Will of God cannot be destroyed, no matter how many nations gather. God blessed Ishmael too, to BE a blessing, not a destroyer. Don't be deceived. Work with your brothers toward a better world.

...For God`s Glory; not for the Jews, Muslims or Christians Glory.... With all due respect, you are not in position to determine the truth in this forum. Lets leave that to God in the Judgment Day. If HE wanted us to be united in one RELIGION, he would do that since the beginning of the his creation. But no, he won't do that. He the GOD AL MIGHTY had given to human being a FREE WILL to chose. And I chose Islam, the ultimate truth of GOD'S words for US. I won't forces anybody else to follow my steps to accept Islam. FOR ME MY RELIGION, FOR YOU YOUR RELIGION. That's the ultimate God's love for us: to choose.

So you shut down that SS site to outsiders. Good riddance to bad rubbish. I surmise that you compose all your posts in the toilet. I have not seen such crap anywhere else.

for your information you war mongerer, israel has killed more arabs than arabs killed jews, secondly, the world knows that the idf and iaf and some of it's leaders should be tried for war crimes as they have commited more than arabs in the area, YOU see it as self defence on israels behalf in the region, WE in oz land see it as pure terrorism and bullying on israels and americas behalf, WE don't swallow your propaganda crap.

If Hamas ups the ante with more violent attacks post-Summit it will be time to finally destroy that entity and possibly re-take the strip.

look at your collegues moron, i don't read your posts, so i can't say you have said it, but most of your collegues here have said it, now hamas says it too, but wait, if hamas says it then it's out to destroy you, well idiot, i wouldn't nor has any other country recognised an occupier, so get that through your little brain, BTW, i know your an advocator of war with arabs, i just read your headlines, that says it all, good ridence.

As the world knows, the arabs will not honor any agreements made with Israel or with jews. Arabs have so much land...oil etc. Let the Jews live in peace on their own small piece of land. Arabs/islam are so greedy, they will never honor any agreement. They are a disgrace

You know, I am starting to get the feeling Ha'aretz editors make up these talkback names in order to spark more interest for the forum. It just does not make sense how some people can be complete idiots. and I mean COMPLETE idiots.

Olmert and Livni the twin defeatists head off to Annapolis to give away East Jerusalem and expel 200,000 Jews by giving up 97 percent of Judea and Samaria, while the rocket attacks and terror continues. Olmert and Livni are comparable to the Judenrat who attempt to convince us that the postcards from Aushwitz that all is well there are true and we should get peacfully on the trains. Where is the Yesha council where are the protests and demonstration? How much did Olmert pay The Yesha council off to keep them silent?

What a shocking behaviour by the USA not to invite Hamas to talk peace too ! Their peace is innovative, bold and straight-forward. A peace that suggests the literal bucthering, maiming or expulsing each and every human being that happens to be Jewish from the Jewish state, Israel. It is uncomprehensible why this valuable contribution to Middle Eastern peace, so well understood by the Iranian regime, can't find an echo. So Abu Marzouk is conveying Hamas' peace message in the clearest terms even from without the party: Hamas contributes with indiscriminate missiles against Jews, which could be turned even deadlier. It's all too understandable they feel blasse for being left out !

"there are 2 differing versions of who started." Only in the pathetic mind of someone who wants to live in the 7th century. Of course the Arabs attacked in '48. And there are always two different versions of a lie. But no matter how many times it is said, a lie is still a lie. "territory captured in war whether defensive or offensive cannot,repeat,cannot be kept.it is against international law&the Geneva Convention." You continue to babble on about this too, but most of the world's countries consist of territory captured in war. It depends on WHEN! The Geneva Convention establishing international law prohibiting it didn't come into effect until AFTER the 1948 war and you can't make an expostfacto law - a law against something that occurs before the law was effected. So no, according to international law, the territory captured and retained by Israel in 1948 after defeating a despicable attack by the combined Arab armies of 6 countries is legally hers to keep.

As it happens, I am acquainted with some of Thomas Coburn's books. His `Encountering the Goddess`is not about your honourable namesake, the Hindu goddess, Lakshmi, but about the Devi-Mahatmya tradition in Indian culture. This has nothing at all to do with my previous posting #94. This is a good example of your postings, which need to be treated with a pinch of salt like a breakfast egg!

Immature statesmen trying to effect the out come for the majority. I totally agree with you.

"am i supposed to be scared ?" Probably not, Alan. Probably not. You are too far away from the conflict to know a damn thing about how the forces of evil work, on both sides, I amy add. Hamas will not disappear, and neither will Israel. But the damn conflict and the loss of lives on both sides will continue as long as there are people who think the simple way you do. P.S. You second email is silly and childish.

need to address me directly either! Deal? Tzofonit,use of the word 'zionist' entirely appropriate according to the definition I provided above.Explains land annexation.As for the rest,sorry but there are more interesting things to read than 2000 years of zionist myth & legend.

to hang your head in shame. You have lost all credibility as a rational being, not to mention sloganeering to cover up ignorance. Translation: You are both irrational and ignorant. Maybe you should sort out the bombings that are taking place in India. You may know something about issues closer to home, perhaps?

but when there is talk of peace the terror attacks come back in full force.

She's obviously in "self-panic" mode, whatever that is.

Durson's posts clearly demonstrate a certain way of thinking, mentality, if you will, which is an important lesson for those young Jewish people who want to believe the absence of peace is due to Israel's intransigence, it is not. The conclusion is obvious. Israel will have no choice but to clear Gaza of terrorists and terrorist infrastructure, probably very soon. The success of The Annapolis Conference is dependant upon a Saudi/Arab League decision to end the war against Israel and accept it as a Jewish State within secure defensible borders. The Israelis have always been open to such an agreement. We are not talking about a hudna or truce, but an end to the conflict. The Palestinian entity must be de-militarized, otherwise they may elect to invite Iran Rev. Guards to take up positions just a few miles from The Knesset. The Israeli Arabs should be part of "The Palestinian State". Unless The Arabs educate peace w Israel and take effective measures to nip any attacks, no deal.

I must agree with Lynn..there is nobody here even close to being as boring as you. Same old repetetive slogans and propaganda every day. Tell your arab masters you need a new script.

I believe that everyone is waiting for certain events before addressing other issues.

Yes, Tosefta, Hamas has evolved for the entire world to see. Now Hamas is threatening to make and fire deadlier Qassams into Israel's civilian population. Now that finally I have understood evolution according to earthly laws, will you stop calling me a Martian.

ask. And furthermore, "God's order" has already come through the Jews. Now it is up to them and the rest of us to accept and live accordingly to the Glory of God, rather than self. Indy, I do believe in Biblical borders for Israel. I do not believe the Jewish people make up all of Israel [Jacobs children]. I am not a Jew, however, I am willing to see them as keepers of Biblical Israel until God reveals who are the lost tribes. For God's Glory; not for the Jews, Muslims or Christians Glory. Whaddya say?

Except for you even the Arab States recognize the existence of Israel. If they didn't why would they spend so much time denying it? You truly are moronic.

Israel needs to turn off the electricity and let the IAF go to work. I believe Hamas when it says that it has 50,000 troops. I also believe that Olmert will sacrifice Jews in a ground op to keep the EU, State Dept., CNN and the ilk happy. It is time to fight Hamas on Israeli terms with the IAF and a cutting of resources. The Pals will stupidly follow and live in ever deeper misery-so what else is new.

DId you hear thatIsrael losr war to Hezbella. Dont understand it since Lebanon asked Un for money .It had to build its interstructure. Israel meet a new fighting force. Human shields . It seems it means nothing to Hezbella to us woman, children as weapons. Lebanon claimed civilians killed. But Hexzzbella stored weapons amunnition in populated are. Who was the joke on?

YES It is the end of Hamas. They can declare "The Republic of Gaza" Pity for a miniscule Quassam developer to fight a giant military might. GOODBY

Natallie, with all these inaccuracies, you seem to be loosing your touch...

I am CONFUSED!!! Didn't Hamas always say that they have NOTHING to do with the Qassam rockets??? That there were fired by splinter groups they did not control! NOW, the will be more accurate and deadlier with the missiles they DON'T FIRE!! Palestinian logic at its best.

have you read your posts? same old same old for months on end. Still beating a dead horse continually.

See Hamas? Even if the summit doesn't achieve anything, you're doomed, you're alone, people are already looking forward to opening the valves against you and to leave aside for a while their Jewish manners, their humanism, take a break from their self-control, crush what disturbs them rather than trying to educate it. Netanyahu once already mentioned that Israel could easily erase all of Gaza. But qassams are continuing to be shot from Gaza, only because the shooters know that Israel won't apply its full force against them. You know that even the "zionist enemy" is lenient towards you, but you're going on. It is good that you're not participating in the world, for even your "enemy" feels more responsible for you than you feel for yourselves.

but you may believe that those oil-producing Arab Barons have seen this day coming when their viscose liquid will not be in such high demand so that they have already bought off all the most beautiful villas, chalets and palaces in the south coasts of Spain, Italy and France by now. You wont catch them sleeping in sateen-sheet tents any longer, nor riding on donkeys rather than in autombiles ... but you will see them no longer being 'Toasted' by European Leaders as they once were and that might yet be Punishment for them like no other as their word will no longer be 'Law'..... Perhaps then there will be Hope for the Jewish World after all.....

there are 2 differing versions of who started.Even if, even if the zionist version is true,it is a fact that territory captured in war whether defensive or offensive cannot,repeat,cannot be kept.it is against international law&the Geneva Convention.

Divorced from emotion the whole thing is oh so simple. With the emotion that exists the solution remains mired in notions of inferiority/superiority and humiliation. Had it been another population perhaps the emotion might not have been so intense. However I do not think that the electorates of the UK and the USA who necessarily influence their politicians, are completely without emotions on the issue either: I don't believe in their neutrality or farsightedness. I'm sure that you will forgive this scepticism.

These thugs were little babies or were not even born in the early and mid 1970s. Hence, they talk big like a Hippo. People who do not know or forget history are bound to repeat history. Hence, when they try to wage war against Israel, they will get the biggest whippings of their lives and they will be crying like babies. However, as they are awash in their dark religion of Jihadism, aggressions are part of their daily life. In other words, you are dealing with the Cesspool of Society. It is time the West stops wasting their money, time and resources in being obsessed with the Cesspool. The world such as Sudan, Somalia, S. Philippines, S. Thailand, Iraq, Kurdistan, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc have problems with Islamist-Jihadist pests that need to be neutralized. Why be stuck with the Cesspool that is being fueled by the Wahhabhists and Ayatollahists? Israel can defend herself against her enemies at any time.

GOD BLESS YOU AND ALL YOUR FAMILY, STEVE ISNT TEL-AVIV SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. DANNY.

DANIEL YOU ARE RIGHT IN WHAT YOU POST. QUASSAMS INTO ISRAEL CUT WATER SUPPLY OFF AND ELECTRIC TOO, IN GAZA, GIVE THEM HELL.

Dont blame Hamas, its a cancer. Treat it like any other cancer, eliminate it.

Who started the 1948 war?

I HAVE ANGER MANAGEMENT PROBLEMS!!! AAARRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

If they can make deadllier rockets then Olmert should cut 100% of the electricty to Gaza .. they cant make their rockets in the dark and cut the fuel supplies then they cant transport their rockets to the launch sites. Dont have major millitary inicursions untill you have weakened the enemy and to do that you need to keep them in the dark for a week or two so they learn what it means to live life without any electricty and then you tell them 1 rocket = 1 day without power. pretty soon the message is going to get accross and its more effective than letting them die martyrs killing soilders in Gaza. Its also time to stop palying humanitarian and being the nice guy who doesnt want to hurt ordinary people because in urban warfare civilian casualties are inevitable so its either do nothing and accept the rocket fire so you can hold your head high say we didnt cause any civilian casulties or you can hope to keep them at a minimum and stop the terrorists causing Israeli civilian casulties.

LAKSHMI I LOVE THE COUNTRY-NEW AGE SOUNDS OF JOHN DENVER SO MUCH!!!! A GLASS OF FRESH TOMATO JUICE IN THE MORNING MAKES ME SMILE!!!!!!!

Sorry, Lakshmi, but your ignorance of Zionism is glaring if you consider Herzl an early Zionist. Zionist existed ever since the Jews were evicted from this Land during the Roman Empire, and was fostered by dozens of Rabbis and leaders and philosophers. Better go start some extensive research because you have about 2000 years to fill in. Come back and talk to me when you are better informed and can talk about land annexation without using the world Zionist, as one has nothing to do with the other. Funny how you claim that it does not matter who started the wars. It seems to matter a lot to you who won them. And if the Arabs had won, I daresay you would not be complaining that they had stolen all the Jews' land. And I dareway you would not be talking to me at all because I would not be here. You are like a kid tripping over a brook, skipping over the stepping stones of history that you choose to ignore. Get with it, Lakshmi, or don't debate me

I fear that Annapolis will fail and I fear that Annapolis will succeed.

Like so many other Israeli bashers and Jew haters you only print what you want. You are forgetting one very important issue, . Countries closed their borders to the Jews. THere must be an Israel NOw Hamas threatens to make deadlier weapons to attack Israeli citizens and you seem to approve

Someone,who takes literally the myths & legends of the account of a particular people at a particular time and lays claim to land on the basis of that and furthermore uses all means,fair or foul to disposses the indigenous inhabitants.

As a Palestinian, I would ask Hamas to shut the hell up and wait for the Annapolis conference before judging the outcome. Abbas may not be the best but he is not stupid and he will stick to the 1993 principles that Arafat and Rabin singed in Washington and I hope that the Israelis will honor their signature.

In wartime, it's permissible to transfer civilian populations away from a firing zone so as to prevent their being harmed. Thusm Israel can transfer much, if not most of the Gazan population from Gaza to the West Bank so as to free its hands in fightng the Hamas and the other terrorist organizartions there. It will then be possible to exterminate all the terrorist vermin in Gaza with no civilians around. Then Israel can conveniently "forget" to return the former Gazans and have a clear coastline from the Lebanese border in the North to the Egyptian border in the South. I can dream, can't I?

know nothing about Lakshmi other than that she is about beauty,piety etc.I recommend for English speaking readers Thomas Coburn' s 'Encountering the Goddess'.Great scholar,great Sanskritist,who has studied the tradition for nearly half a century.This book is his translation of a classic document and his own commentary.He has an earlier book The Crystallisation of the Goddess Tradition in India.We'll chat,after you have read one of the two books,preferably the first!Both are available at Amazon.com

once the Western World is no longer dependent on Arab and Muslim oil. That time is not too far away: alternative sources of energy now no longer seem so uneconomical, what with oil prices nearing $100 a barrel. Chevrolet is about to produce the Volt, a hybrid in which the gasoline engine is used only to charge the battery. An Israeli hi-tech entrepeneur, Shai Agassi, is heading an initiative to set up hundreds of automobile battery charging points at conventional fuel stations. Can the Japanese be far behind? The oil-producing countries will soon start trembling; then they will collapse pf their own weight and have to drink their oil. Hold on, Israel! Hold on, World!

are you one of those cowards, that hide among children and women and then hide behind a computer (with chips made in Israel) ?

am i supposed to be scared ?

beware of ice-picks!

keep on dreaming til your dream turns into a nightmare. Trust me.

Yes, speak of immaturity and history and realize you know NOTHING of it. But your beautiful ability to half ass platitudes bring joy to my heart. As your defense of "a desperate people" sure did have some fun being a mindless, barbaric mob repeatedly throughout the Twenties. Or a racist, ethnocentric population trying to oppress a minority that turned to violence for not getting what they wanted in the thirties. Your "desperate people" were the cause of their most hated entity. So, tough shit for you and them. 56%...heh. What with all the wheeling and dealing between the Hashemites and all the communications with those who are now Syrian, I'm surprised you can use that number in any serious manner.

and all their factions now chanting 'Death to Israel' and 'Bush is a War Criminal'? Give these 'fellas' half the chance to run to America and you will see them fly.....Arab Hypocrisy' mixed with a twinge of envy,terrorism and hate. What a cocktail, enough to make your taste-buds curdle.

Threats and violence are the coin of the realm when discussing Israel or Hamas. Israel makes threats all of the time. Lately they have been threatening to shut down Gaza power and fuel. Previously they threatened to assisinate Nasrallah on a regular basis, until it seemed that Nasrallah could not be assisinated. As for increasing the size of the Qassam explosive, this will still leave the Qassam far less powerful than the weakest, smallest bomb which Israel uses upon Gaza. Years ago, when Dan Halutz was a pilot, he personally dropped a 1000 pound bomb on a house in order to assasinate a Palestinian. Of course the bomb destroyed a a number of houses and killed whole families in the area. For this Halutz was promoted to chief of staff in time. Israelis should not whine about an extra pound of explosive in a Qassam. I will wager that noboddy can guess how long it has been since a Qassam killed somebody. After this, guess the number of Palestinians killed by the IDF since then.

and once this summit is finished regardless of its outcome, I imagine Israel will enter Gaza, destroy its tons of munitions smuggled through Egypt, and put an end to the daily launching of rockets into Israel Cant Wait !

Margie, obviously my attitude towards the conflict comes through complete geographic and personal detachment from the struggle. I don't feel the effects, and so my viewpoint is informed by 60 years of history in the form of books and documentaries instead of blood and checkpoints. But I believe this detachment is absolutely essential for the governments of the UK and especially the US, as it (should) impart neutrality and farsightedness. During the last two rounds of talks, Madrid and Camp David, the US stood back and asked the Palestinians and Israelis to unravel 50 years of conflict, which of course will never happen when civilian security is in question. With the understanding that there is immense pressure from elements in both Israel and Palestine to obstruct the peace process, I believe the US needs to take a firm stand and cast to history the myopic daydreamers who wish for complete annexation of either party. Detachment is always required of a moderating 3rd party.

It might become necessary to silence Hamas ,bomb their entire infrastructure and retake parts of the strip.I think it should be done now before these war criminals cause any more trouble.

Define a Zionist. I dare you.

Why is it everyone screams about what they claim Israel stole from the Palestinians, yet no one complains about the fact that what is now Jordan was supposed to be Palestine, but was stolen and the Pals were told to go F themselves. Right now I remember you all hate Jews.

We shoot kassams and the next day there is still a Hamas government. There is still Hamas buildings. Hamas forces. A more or less functioning Gaza. What is the lesson for Hamas? 'That we can shoot kassams and suffer little'. But of course the damage to Israel is too limited. Better and more powerful kassams are needed to inflict more damage. After all, what will Israel do except exert a little more pressure which we can live with. They will never really attack us so we are safe. allah akbar.

and lets remember we gave them Gaza and in return we get rockets and mortars fired on us daily, so if you want me to listen to anything you have to say move to Sderot, ride a bus in Tel aviv or Jerusalem we have put out our hands in peace before and will do so again i just hope one day someone from the other side will take it

If it were possible, don't you think we'd have done it long ago. I know that from the safety of Edinburgh it looks like child's play. Come and see it from here

"The UN Resolution demarcated the border between Israel and Palestine and it is the only legally authorized border. It is the Partition Line, which gave 56% land to a minority 33% of Jews. But the Zionists were not satisfied with that and used the 1948 war to grab some more land with the armistice" you talk about 181 but had our neighbors not attacked us then we would never have "stolen" their lands, and maybe we would be more willing to give it back if we were not being told no matter what we do we or what agreements we sign we are still going to be attacked by Hamas. But don?t you worry about all that you just spout your hatred of Israel it gives me a great laugh every day

Despite all the fuss and all the smoke regarding failed preparations for the conference; the parties are much closer to each other, in their positions, than meets the eye. Indeed there is room for optimism that finally the Palestinians and the Israelis will be on their way to settle their differences peacefully. Everyone realizes now that there is only one track and it is the peace track. This leaves Hamas out of the loop. The Palestinian interest is not with Hamas, but rather with a negotiated settlement. Serious negotiations will begin the day after Annapolis. http://multicolor36.spaces.live.com

The real Lakshmi can't stand up. How else could her legs be the same shape as that of a chair.

...The Capital of Palestine in Jesus day was NOT in Jerusalem... Virginia, in Jesus day, the UN wasn't exist yet, so did the nation states. And if not because of the UN mandate and recognition, modern Israel won't exist. Why don't you ask the UN for recogniton of the greater Israel from NILE and EUFRAT rivers. So, the God's "orders" would be restored on THE FACE of the EARTH through this CHOSEN NATION OF ISRAEL.

interested in stirring up the sh8t.get off your a88 and do something besides spout hate and instigate someone else getting killed.

Many on this board say that the deadlier Qassams with an increased range will prompt a harsh Israeli response and complete and total defeat of Hamas. It now looks like people consider the daily barrage of "regular" Qassams (thousands of rockets over the years) as a given - kind of a background noise which doesn't warrant any harsh response from IDF. Apparently, the current goverment of Israel views it the same way. This is simply outrageous. Israel warned that any rocket fire from Gaza after the pullout would prompt a response of "unprecedented" scale and harshness. And we see how that played out. I'm afraid that this spineless goverment will show the same criminal "restraint" when it comes to protecting its citizens from the new Qassams.

The Arab League does not speak for their people as not one is remotely a representative, democratic government. Interestingly, none of these "moderate" governments would survive for more than a year without continuous infusion of US money and/or arms.

movement.

and then go hang your head in shame. If you have any dignity, start posting under another name.

orgs.their all corrupt,every last one of them.power means a lot more to them than their own people,how shameful!if i were you i'd bury my head in the sand from shame!

Yousef has made foolish and imprudent statements. It is never wise to make a threat you cannot deliver upon. Without delving into Tsiolkowski's equation it can be said that without an improvement in specific impulse (motor performance) or the mass ratio of a rocket, increasing the size of the warhead will either reduce range or require a much larger rocket. This could be done, but a larger rocket is more expensive and harder to handle and conceal. A higher rate of fire might be possible on a temporary basis. And then there is the matter of insulting the Arab League for silly reasons. Yousef has done no service to either Hamas or the Palestinians by his asinine statements.

It was in Caesarea, a part of Samaria, a part of Judea. Therefore, even if the Palestians prefer to be known as Palestians as opposed to Samaritans or Judeans; THERE CAPITAL CITY WAS NEVER IN JERUSALEM. This must be removed from negotiations!!!

will then sit down & negotiate.BTW,the terms of the mandate allow the 2 beneficiaries to negotiate,if acting in good faith.No,ifs & buts from israel,no sleight of hand,just a straightforward agreement to withdraw.Hamas is quite honourable(it's their religiosity) &also quite generous,to the point of being impulsive,possibly naive(again because of their religiosity).If israel does not take advantage of this we have the beginnings of real dialogue.Ask them,if you can keep those awful settlers( I personally would not agree,but that's neither here nor there),ask if you can share waters(so you don't have to go on a maniacal drive to the Litani),ask,and it is just possible that you might be given.And definitely the refugees driven away in 1948 must be allowed to return.And the trade off process begins. . . but not all this skulduggery at annapolis,won't get you anywhere! In 1947 israel gladly accepted the Partition Line,because it saw it(rightly) as the guarantee of its right to exist.

come from the language of fighting and from force".you say it that sounds like something the zionist say.news alert,moron,thats exactly what hamas said,not,"sounds like"what they said.give us all here proof that thats what israel said anytime or anywhere,any israeli.want me to give you proof that thats what hamas actually did say,scroll up moron!

The real Lakshmi is the Hindu goddess of wealth, fortune, love and beauty. The Lakshmi of Ha'aretz talkbacks is none of these. She is evidently an Islamist masquerating as a Hindu deity - which is itself a serious offense against Allah (by speaking in the name of a pantheistic deity)and she is a bearer of hatred and vitriol, not of love and good fortune, to those with whom she seeks to communicate. Neither is she doing her Palestinian soulmates any favours by exhorting them to perpetuate bitterness and vengence.

posts I am reading & unless you use civilised language,I won't be reading them again! Lynn,stop being such a bore,you completely miss my point,you have me in tears!Now to Tzonfit,shall try to address your major points.I don't consider 'zionist' a term of abuse.it is historically the accurate word for the early zionists(starting with herzel,author of Der Judenstaat,1896).The zionist dream of a Greater Israel is what caused the problem.The Partition Line of Res.181 clearly demarcated the border between israel & Palestine,and is the only legally authorised border to date.israel used the excuse of the 1948 war to grab land allocated to Palestine.It does not matter who started the war(the Arab version is different from yours)but you cannot keep land captured in war,whether defensive or offensive.The same logic that applies to '67 applies here.Even an inch beyond the Partition Line is illegal.Hence israel must,if it is acting in good faith,withdraw from ALL occupied territory.contd.

than food,typical hamas leader!

/arabs.there wouldn't be a west bank or gaza!do you actually think that if the pals,muslims/arabs had the weaponory that israel had,they wouldn't have already massacred every single jew and westerner in the middle east?don't be an idiot,silvienne.hell,it don't even bother them to kill their own family members over honor,as long as its their second class citizens,or in other words,their women.

think well of what you want to do Hamas. You might be the reason of your own extermination.

ask your brave hamas how many women and children they are willing to hide behind,that will tell you how many will die!

The following is the best analysis that I have read to date concerning Annapolis. What the Americans, the Gulf States, Israel and the Palestinians want. A fascinating article! Mike http://annapolis.notlong.com

From the article: "Riham Abu Khater, 17, said she opposed participation at Annapolis as it amounted to recognition of Israel. "Nothing good will come out of it. Good will only come from the language of fighting, and from force," she said." Only when the moderate powers that want peace push relentlessly forward will attitudes like this become completely marginalized. The Israelis and Palestinians will never end their conflict through militancy. Push aside the radicals on both sides and end this stupid conflict.

Forget about stupid electricity...In case of their acting upon their threats, just make sure to hit Hamas only, because you know where they are. Don't punish the whole of Gaza. For once, do the right thing. Like a soldier...to soldiers. And cut the index finger of this coward who wages war from the safety of Damascus.

Hamas wants peace and a return of the Occupied Territories. However, they know nothing about diplomacy and propaganda. If they had ceased their quassams and pursued a reconciliation with Fatah, they would have been in far better position to attend and contribute to the Annapolis peace initiative. Their cause may be just, but simply won't work in this environment. It is true that Hamas was provoked by Fatah and Israel, but world opinion is turning against the never ending revengeful combatants, whether it be Israelis, Palestinians or any of the other ME Muslim states.

Hamas is over. Your support shows your vainglorious attempts at ressurecting a dead horse.

Pal leadership. Which is working well to establish a state for their people.

First I will thank you for deeming me intelligent, but I question your understanding of the situation beyond the dust cloud of rhetoric that you constantly kick up here. I'm not expecting miracles at Annapolis, but unlike you I imagine that some law and order will have to be instilled on both sides. You spout a lot about law abiding nations but there is going to be no state of Palestine until our neighbors start acting like a law abiding nation as well. Do you even know what Zionism is besides a term of slander you like to use on us? Did it ever occur to you who started the war in 1948 and what the aims of the Arabs were in that war - to grab all Jewish land? As they say: So sorry we won. Your limited terminology and vocabulary here hardly render your opinions credible, Lakshmi. Stop kicking up dust and spout something besides anti Israel rhetoric, and then I'll start listening. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to do some real research. If you want to.

weapons of Satan. "Good will only come from the language of fighting, and from force," Fighting and force, their definition of good, is in complete and total opposition to God. "our response is resistance." They know not who they resist. "a great shock for Palestinians" LIE "Greatful surprise" would be the term for many. Fear, force, lies and ungodliness, your days are numbered; and your time very short. Glory be to God in the Highest!!! The Spirit of Love is overcoming your wicked ways and at His hand, you will be no more.

To Brant: the Arabs are making fools out of US in Iraq, Iran, and the Palestinian territories. The US AND Israel have the might to take out these Muslim fanatics within days, if we so chose. But we are timid, afraid of the Islamic world. The leftists both in Israel-USA are dictating or at least restraining our efforts to stop Islamo-fascism in total, and Arab-Muslim aggression. Why in heavens name does Israel allow Hamas to exist I ask? One tank column, or one carpet bombing with an F16I wing, or a few dozen artillery pieces, can take out a Hamas city, yet Israel "targets" terrorist cell launching spots (vacated of course). Now Hamas boasts more lethal rockets, while they can get Katyushas anytime they want. Israel has yet to understand it's awesome power; doesn't utilize it properly (Lebanon),and is scared of Condi-Bush,hence (Annapolis). Had Israel destroyed Hez in Lebanon, all that we are witnessing now would be impossible, both north, east and west of it. Israel is dumb.

I agree with you Steve, pls witch from jakarta or whateva' jump off from a tall house. Do it now.

Hamas is the just the true face of the Pals. No peace can be negociated with them. What's going on in Gaza will come in Judea-Samaria if Leftist policies are continued. It's time to imagine new policies able to defeat the threat and then and only then, peace will be possible. Right now, there no something like a diplomatic solution

in peace.another thing,if israel wanted to,they could take all the land and push the pals back to the sea.all palestinians are so ignorrant they only want to fight,just like your stupid ass,only difference is,their not as big of a coward as you are,at least they do more than type hate on a computer!

Put em in jail, they will come out fatter than ever--Napalm the whole mess--Otherwise will have large food bills--They want to live by the Kassam, let them perish by Napalm--Fire sanitizes--

I guess that's why he isn't commenting this time. Hamas is only different from Fatah in one respect - they are a better organized terror gang.

He could be the model for the next Hamas hate cartoon--One was based on Mickey Mouse, he could be Porky Pig--

What is your present count of the Arab & Israeli back slapping--??

what's your point?Or do you believe in sphinx like comments and riddles? there are Japanese zen koans also.

You cannot call them Civilians if they are complicit in the actions against Israel--Allowing Hamas to fire rockets from school yards and among their dwelling aren't the innocent actions of civilians--Youth, encompassing a firing position, using their bodies as shields for the terrorists certainly are no longer civilians--They are accomplices-- In fact, "Child Soldiers"--If you wish, just ask, I will send you the links again--You have a very conveniently short memory--

comes from.it is from immaturiy & failing to learn the lessons of history.He/she who forgets his/her history is doomed to repeat it,said a wise thinker. On the subject of suicide bombing they are the acts of a desperate people.Maybe you should give them some of your clusters & nukes,and chemical&biological weapons,so they'll stop suicide bombing.How about that ?Also,they can stop the qussams then. Best ofcourse would be if you withdrew from their land.How about that ! The UN in 1947 gave you 56% land.Be satisfied.

Hezbollah were the very FIRST to use them in Lebanon--The rockets that fired at Shlomi, which were convering fire for the kidanpping, contained them---Israel responded in kind-- Shlomi was NOT a military target, it was civilian---Do NOT wail about your civilians, when you don't care about ours--

Stop hoping for one anothers physical demise. And start praying to God that He reveal His Truth for all to know. Then be prepared to accept it. Love to you both, Virginia

Hamas' threats while Israel joins a peace conference shows that it's high time to implement Sharon's promise. I mean Barak's promise. I mean Rabin's promise. They all said: "If after this even one bullet comes from them, we will respond with full force" Something like this.

should be willing to give Annapolis a chance, and see what the meeting delivers. No one wanted the Palestinians of Gaza to be in this isolated, miserable state. No one has gained, not the Palestinians, and not Israelis. What good does rhetoric of pursuing continual use of violence and destruction give the Palestinians? Nothing but more dismal prospects. It's my hope that something substantial will materialize from Annapolis and thereafter. The extremists bodies of the Palestinian people must comprehend that the only way to achieve their dignity, to make their case, if you will, and to live as a sovereign and respectable nation, is to achieve this by means of diplomacy and negotiations. Otherwise, they'll be continually excluded from the process and invite more conflict upon them. It's completely unnecessary at this hour.

There is no limit to ignorance as Laksashimi & Hamas is proving so adeptly.

The first big-boy Kassam or a Kaytusha rocket should signal the IAF to take out every structure within a 6 mile radius....create a real buffer and no-man's land that will be strictly enforced. Then go back to targeted assassinations and if that fails to punish them and all out ground assault. No one likes casualties but we need a winner and a loser here, folks. That is the only way to peace and a treaty. Total surrender.

lakshmi said: "Gandhi once asked Martin Buber,the jewish theologian why the jews did not use non-violence against Hitler.Buber replied(correctly,in my opinion)that it would not have worked with Hitler". No comment.

when there is so much hatred and so many Palestinian factions to appease. My goodness, Israel will have a time of it trying to appease so many with only a 'Palestinian State' in 0.01% of land! while the Arab States with their 99.09% of land stand by smiling to watch Israel slowly sink into an abyss. Finally, who will it be sinking into the abyss because Annapolis will not solve anything at all.

Even Mubarak says that Hamas will never sign a peace agreement with Israel. Whether before or after the summit, Hamas will eventually launch improved Qassams or Katushyas deeper into Israel and no country should criticize Israel for what it must do to put an immediate stop to that. It will not be pleasant but it will be decisive and Hamas can take its rightful place among the world's losers.

Hasta La Vista, Yossy. Adios Bandehos, Baby. PS: Say hello to Mia Farrow, the Jewish Queen of Darfur Refugees. May she be blessed to forgive her dam--d ex-husband by taking care of muslims refugees. LoL.

There already is a jail of that kind. It's called Gaza. Only the wardens have walked out and now the gangs rule. So this is not a solution you give us but a thing we've already seen.

As soon as the confernce is over Israel will have every right and opportunity to clean out Gaza, something they won't do before the conference. If they don't go in and rid Gaza of the Hamas murderers and end their threats then they are simply stupid. Enough living under the terrorist threats, attacks, and kassams.

fall flat on your face! Didn't know that intelligent people still expected miracles!

I think you forgot to mention just how many terrorists you support that Israel has killed. And this is where the "vainglorious boasting &braggadacio" has come from. Like that one called "The Engineer" who deliberately targeted buses. Yep, he sure was a brave fighter that liked blowing up civilians. BOOM he went. BOOM went many other disgusting pieces of filth after him. So, there's your answer. Now when are you going to smash your head against the wall like all the other retards that think violence against Israel solves all, but are too thick to realize violence is a two way street? Or is being a putz on an Israeli news site the only way you yourself can show courage?

so nice are they that given the least likely chance they will THREATEN the very ones that gave them LAND to build their 23rd Arab State which they have not as yet succeeded in doing. A Shame. For what does Hamas threaten? Do Palestinians want ALL? Their very abject behaviour tells one that they do not deserve the tiniest bit more. Was the Arab League right after all when they rejected the 'Palestinian Refugees' as far back as the 1950s?

others for a photo op & for a smokescreen to conceal its ongoing land grab(building settlements on stolen land)and to continue its land grab of 1949by the infamous armistice line,aka Green line.You want to be law abiding,then obey the law.You want to be accepted in the community of nations,then behave like a civilised nation.First step:withdraw from ALL occupied territory.In 1947,the UN Resolution demarcated the border between israel and Palestine and it is the only legally authorised border.It is the Partition Line,which gave 56% land to a minority 33% of jews.But the zionists were not satisfied with that and used the 1948 war to grab some more land with the armistice agreement,which actually is only a temporary one,not final status.Land captured in war(defensive or offensive) is inadmissible.That is forbiden in international law and the Geneva Conventions.In 1947 israel was happy with Res.181,and then they got greedy.However,israel's right to exist depends on the fulfillment of 181.

Israel should build some really big jails where tens and if necessary hundreds of thousands of terrorists can be held.

"Hamas should go back to basis. Charity works, no suicide bombings and no government. Perhaps it can organize the cleaning of Gaza from all of the garbage and filth that is its trade mark." What makes you believe that Hamas can start to be like the Baptist church in USA?

For the sixty years since the legal creation of modern Israel. Arabs and Islam have tried to uproot the two things they detest most: A non Arab State and a non-Muslin State, in their midst. With each ridiculous failure of their wars and their terror they have lost more abd thus become even louder in their false bravado. In the 1940s, while the rest of us stood by while Hitler, supported by racists like you slaughtered the Jews, the Zionists worked to get the remnant of Jews to their ancestral home in Israel. The British and the Arabs did all they could to stop that. You have this horrendous ass-backward view and when confronted with reality that destroys your lies, you ALWAYS resort to the same childish name-calling. (By the way, Slvienne, I think Lakshmi's post about the 1940s proves her hatred for Jews.)

distinction between 'civil disobedience' and 'civil resistance' in F.Boyle's 'Law and Resistance' (Globalresearch.ca;just a couple of days ago).The distinction is that in the former people are disobeying unjust laws,the latter resisting the breaking of just laws by their own government(Bush et al).Particularly applicable to America to day.

Israel is going to a conference to talk about ways to make peace. Hamas has said no matter what comes from this they are going to attempt to commit terrorist attacks in Israel, but you have the nerve to say Israel only understands force. Please please please jump from a tall building and help make the world better

No matter what agreements come out of Annapolis Hamas is going to make sure to push Israel until it has no choice but to respond with force. Then all the Jew hatters on this site will start yelling "see Israel does not want to make peace" instead of opening their eyes and seeing that the only ones stopping the Pals from obtaining a life for themselves are these scummy Islamic terrorists and there supporters on this site.

Hamas did very well when it built and operated a network of charities and the leadership were honest not to steal and rob the organization unlike the guys from Ramallah. However Hamas made a fatal mistake and error in judgment when it organized and carried out a series of suicide bombing and the killing of innocent Jewish people. On the politica front, it decided to be in the government with basis in Oslo and it did not handle the issue of Israeli recongition very well, and it did not know how to manage and deal with the thugs in Ramallah. Hamas does not have neither the military not political sophistication to deal with Israel, the US and the rest of the world. Hamas should go back to basis. Charity works, no suicide bombings and no government. Perhaps it can organize the cleaning of Gaza from all of the garbage and filth that is its trade mark.

I agree:DESTROY ALL THE HAMAS AND ALL TERRORISTS.THIS is the only way to achieve peace. P.S.To all the supportes of terrorism in this talkback:EXPLODE YOURSELVES

the 1940s(Germany)?Now,you're great at committing crimes against Nature & humans,the latter being helpless civilians,old men & women,unarmed teenagers,and children. . . When the next big guy comes along you'll remember your history.But if you want a future,then try to live not like a lawless nation,but one that can be accepted as a law abiding nation in the community of nations!

I hope there will be a joint effort to stablize the region. Those poor people!!!

So what else is new? The extremists has attempted to escalate their actions before any peace move was made. They did it before Camp David, they did it before Oslo, and now they are attempting to do it before Annapolis. We really could not expect anything else. The closer we get to a peace agreement, the weaker and more isolated Hamas will become. Their aim is to abort the peace process, and they will not be allowed to intimidate us and do that. We must keep up our guard, patrol the borders, strike Hamas military targets, and move on to Annapolis.

....it's wrong from a tactical view that Hamas is not stopping for a few weeks the attacks and threats against innocent Israeli citizens. They can start with it again, if Israel doesn't make enough concessions in Annapolis. P.S. For those who didn't get it, this post is just a little "joke" in view of the (rather strange....) reactions I got to a "similar" one earlier this week....

"Nothing good will come out of it. Good will only come from the language of fighting, and from force". Correct. Until force is used and thousands of Hamas and Islamic Jihad 'activists' are killed, there will be no peace.

YES, Hamas will try to take over the West bank, regardless. YES, Israel will stand behind Fatah, and give Hamas the blow of the century... YES, Hibollah will go nuts, and get the same blow.. YES, The Lebanese Army will thank Israel for wiping the Hizb out YES, most of the Israeli bashers will get tired of advocating lies... Yes, there will come new bashers... YES, YES, YES, YES...

When the "next wave" of Palestinian violence occurs will Israel finally do something to solve the problem or will it continue to try for specific targets? Not a day has gone by without Palestinian violence and yet all Israel does is target places from where quassams were launched. The launchers and equipment may be long gone. They are launched from UN Schools, amidst homes with women and children, and from areas near hospitals. But who gets blamed for civilian deaths? Only Israel. No one condemns Hamas for using civilian shields. The time has come for Israel to make a demand in Annapolis. NO MORE BOMBS OR FACE THE BLOODSHED. Israel wants peace more than anything on earth. But for Israel to exist with this constant threat is now ludicrous. Why should people in Sedderot suffer? If nothing but more attacks from Hamas come as a result of Annapolis, perhaps an all out attack by the IAF on Gaza with complete disregard to the UN and EU will solve the problem. The time has come, PEACE OR WAR!

"Nothing good will come out of it. Good will only come from the language of fighting, and from force," , that sounds just like the zionists and all their supporters, with whom do i start? victor hardman? vioce of a moron? ben-jabo? and the list goes on, seems hamas is taking up the ideals of the idf and israel, it aint fair when someone copies your ideals, is it? the fighting will start, gear up israel, everyone knows israel will not give an inch, thats why there giving israel a clear warning from now.

You guys come on here from all these countries that don't have any freedom of the press and where the first one to criticize a leader gets their tongue cut out or their head chopped off. Your numbers may be many but you are weaklings sir. Don't you forget that I know YOUR weakness! Don't you ever forget that Baby!

You obviously haven't read much of what she writes. Though I don't blame you for that. Her hatred for Fatah and Israel seems about equal She supports the Shia line, Iran, Hezbullies and Hamas though they aren't Shia, are supported by Shias.

You obviously haven't read much of what she writes. Though I don't blame you for that. Her hatred for Fatah and Israel seems about equal She supports the Shia line, Iran, Hezbullies and Hamas though they aren't Shia, are supported by Shias.

I like the word "predict" No doubt violence will "break out"

Looking at him I think food is on his mind and in his mouth more frequently then not.

Since she been beaten very badly by Hezbollah last year, Israelis (and IDF) has been demoralized very seriuosly: 1. An active intelligent serviceman betrayed IDF 2. HAMAS has killed IDF officer in combat recently (never happened before) 3. Thousand Israelis fled the country to get a better living aboard. 4. In panic, because of the world pressure against illegal settlement, thousands of settlers is harrassing palestinians. 5. Israelis need to convince themselves that their country is JEWISH STATE. 6. Corruption by PM, sexual harrassment by President. etc, etc. No needs more Ahmadinejad to make Israel dissappear from the face of the earth soon.

In the never-ending spit-filled hate lakshmi presents as fact absolute absurdity and lies that fills the waves of Arab radio and TV. Reality becomes so twisted for lakshmi it becomes nonsense. Never has Israel used chemical weapons but the Arabs did (Iran-Iraq war, against Kurds) and have mass-bombed entire cities - Syrian massacre in Hama. Of course, for lakshmi it doesn't matter that Arabs commit atrocities against each other all the time, why when you can blame Israel for it all. Lakshmi reminds me of the throngs of Pan-Arabist during the 6-day war who believed the lies of the Arab radio that they were winning when Egyptians were surrendering by the thousands and Syrians were hiding in Damascus. Thank God for the lies of the Arab media because because they create brainless drones like lakshmi.

As recently as a few weeks ago I've seen dozens of Talkback statements saying that there will be peace if only Israel starts talking with Hamas. Well, Hamas has answered, and this is its position: "Resistance in all its forms and means will escalate in the West Bank and Gaza against the Zionist enemy," "Nothing good will come out of it. Good will only come from the language of fighting, and from force." We don't recognize any results of this meeting...our response is resistance." Much progress on their front, eh?

If you guys follow through on your threats you will be flattened courtesy of the civilized world of which you're not a part of. Adios bendejos!

"You don`t expect any Arab country to condemn Hamas for attacking Israel, do you?" Saudi Arabia agreed to go to the conference, and may even take some steps towards peace. After that, wouldn't you think it will condemn Hamas after it does something contrary to Saudi Arabia's stated principles?

marshal and hanyieh couldn't care less how many of their people will be killed or suffer in any action or inaction. The pal people are pawns in their struggle. Their lives could be changed immediately if their leadership (do they have any) agreed to peaceful coexistence, But hamasoles like hezbolla and alquada only seek violence. They contribute nothing positive to mankind. They only increase the suffering

You have been totally isolated, and no one takes you seriously, not even your Arab brothers.

I always typed that Hamas was thru. What were seeing in the threats and predictions is a last gasp before Hamas is no more then a note in a history book that speaks of failed policys and failed chances, We see Hamas as nothing more then the terrorist that we all knew they were and are. Lakshmi next time when Israel goes to war Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad will understand what the word to lose will mean. Israel won't stop just because the Un asks for them to stop.

Hamas have proven to be a complete failure even by vast majority of Palestinians. The've lost the support and now try to bark to get attention. Hamas has robbed the Palestinians and is spending millions on guns and explosives while the population suffers. While Gaza under Hamas is becoming a sewer the West Bank has at least a hope once the peace agreement is reached.

where will fatah run to when hamas takes over the west bank?? will Abbas cry for help from israel? will israel provide it? my guess no and no. abbas will be the first one running away to jordan and not give a darn about any PAL. israel will let hamas take west bank and then give both west bank PALS and gaza PALS 48 hours to force hamas out of office with force or face the rath of the IAF onslaught. there should be 0 ground forces involved. simply have nonstop bombing runs until henyiah AND meshal go on al jazera annoucing that hamas will put down their arms. nothing less will cause IAF to stop.

Brant to Lakshmi: "I`m sure another night can bring you six more ways to show your hatred of Israel" Brant, why can't you see that she doesn't hate Israel, she hates Israel's behaviour towards the Palestinians?

Excellent post...

Doesn't look as if food is on his mind, does he?:)

Where is the propaganda in Chet's post? He very correctly listed the weapons used by the IDF against the Palestinians. "Israel will not be as considerate to civillians as it has been in the past" If you call Israel's behaviour towards civilians "considerate", goodness help the Palestinians if Israel decides to become a bit rude...

Hello Brant: Brant to Lakshmi: "Should they be so stupid as to launch damaging terror attacks on Israel, you can expect a devastating Israeli response and one that will come with the support of virtually every nation on the face of the Earth" I don't think the above can possibly be correct, Brant. You don't expect any Arab country to condemn Hamas for attacking Israel, do you? Also, although of course to a much lesser degree, Israel isn't popular with European countries, either. I sincerely hope there is no further bloodshed.

The same as the fake footages and false narratives of Al-Dura , Jenin , Gaza beach ect.. So to portray the arabs human rights violations , in hospitals , of ambulances , of mosques ect... use of human shields , exploitation of children as combatants , arabs infightings ect... as victims of the Israeli retaliation against murderous arabs urban terror attrition , In order to delegitimise the Jewish State' right to exist , So to propel the terror-Jihad state fabrication ,

Are you being serious or being ironic when you say Israel hasn't attacked the Gazans? If you are serious, there must be something weird in the water you drink to blind you to the IDF incursions and murders of Gazans in the past year. As to the unrelenting whining about qassams and now mortars, let me remind you that there have been of total of FIVE Israelis killed by them since 2005. The IDF has managed to kill more Palestinian women and and children IN A WEEK. So, back to dreamland about the brave IDF.

The sole reason the IDF underwent such powerful internal investigation about the Second Lebanon War was that they realized they were disorganized and poorly led. That is often the price of bad coalitions and worse political appointments. But the only asses kicked were those of the 680 dead Hizb Allah fighters; that of the fat sheik who still lives in hiding and of course all of the Lebanese who bore the brunt of all those Israeli bombs because they let HizbAllah use them as shields for their weaponry. The IDF is kicking its own ass not for losing, Lakshmi, but rather for not winning more easily and with the infliction of way less pain. I would think if there's a next time, you are going to be quite upset at what happens. Other than that, pleasant dreams. I'm sure another night can bring you six more ways to show your hatred of Israel and your disdain for the Jews.

during a Fatah demonstration. More of the like is to be expected from Hamas, everyone knows that, no need to restate the obvious.

Journalists worldwide should boycott hamas and gaza. They offer nothing but violence and their people only misery. They are a disgrace to Islam...to GOD...to mankind

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Sorry Chet, but Palestinian propaganda will get you nowhere. If you havent been reading the news, you should know that Israel doesnt use its military might against Gazans. If it chose to do so, Gaza would have been a parking lot long ago. Israel does its utmost to target the terrorists who are daily bombarding Israel with qassams and mortar shells. The IDF were not humiliated in Lebanon. For the Hizbollah to have used their own civillians as shields is humiliating. I suggest that both Hamas and Hizbollah keep a low profile, so as not to encourage a full-out confrontation. Israel will not be as considerate to civillians as it has been in the past.

Our heroes are great when they can sit in airplanes and drop them from the sky!or drop bombs on fleeing civilians on bridges & dirt roads.Ground fight,they turned and ran! Right now,they are planning a 'ground' invasion of Gaza.We know what that means! Hamas is preparing seriously for it,which they expect will come after the non conference.The colloborators,the quisling Fayyad government and israel-u.s.cabal have discussed calling in nato after the invasion.Spain has volunteered to send troops. See 'Adapting to all conditions' by Saleh Al-Naami (Al Ahram Weekly,Nov.15-21,2007).BTW,the u.s.has violated its own laws in giving financial & other help to a country with weapons of mass destruction.israel,in addition to nukes,also has biological&chemical weapons.It used chemical weapons in Gaza in Feb.2001(BBC Report).180 civilians were brought to hospital with severe convulsions.A retired israeli officer admitted that they used DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosive in Gaza.It tears flesh.

It sounds to me like there will be no peace till one side or the other of this conflict wins a commanding victory over the other. so go for it.

Attack helicopters, jets, tanks, artillery and armoured bulldozers against defenceless Palestinians, apart from light arms. How many Palestinian women and children will die? Having gotten their asses kicked in Lebanon the vicioud IDF will make the Palestinians pay for that humiliation.

You must still be eating thanksgving leftovers as you're still repeating and repeating. Your Hamas heroes lose credibility daily. Should they be so stupid as to launch damaging terror attacks on Israel, you can expect a devastating Israeli response and one that will come with the support of virtually every nation on the face of the Earth. You are missing the reality here, Lakshmi. Your heroes, so far,prefer masks and slaughter to recognition, renewal and reality. The vast majority of fine and decent Palestinians now rejects them. Hamas has killed more Palestinians than Israel has in the last two years. There is no interest in Palestinian rights with your "resistance". They are out in the cold and if they're not careful,they are going to feel the heat.

"Nothing good will come out of it. Good will only come from the language of fighting, and from force," This is how the Palastinians in Gaza respond to peace talks. Too bad Israel is not the "apartheid state" the world keeps trying to label it. If it were the "mass demonstrations" and threats of violence would be more than enough justification to go in en masse and wipe out the entire population of rioters. It is a golden opportunity to change the face of Gaza, but because Israel actually hopes to make that change peacefully it will not take a proactive course. Too bad really as the peace process of Annapolis is clearly marked for failure even before it has gotten started.

If, as the article quotes the HAMAS official as saying that it is HAMAS's conviction and policy that good can only come out of fighting and force, not an idle threat or just words which is attested to by rockets, artillery fire, attempts to infiltrate Israel, etc., and, given that HAMAS is dedicated to the destruction of Israel, why should Israel continue to supply anything to the HAMAS state and why shouldn't Israel unleash whatever force it has targeting HAMAS?

language of force.Gandhi once asked Martin Buber,the jewish theologian why the jews did not use non-violence against Hitler.Buber replied(correctly,in my opinion)that it would not have worked with Hitler.Ditto with israel,which is not a liberal democracy,anyway.During the Indian freedom struggle,the British by slow degrees had achieved a certain level of liberal values to which the freedom fighters could hold them.Here it is like the brutal South African situation.The ANC's armed struggle seems the only way.Apart from the vile siege,the collaborators,the quisling Fayyad government,israel,u.s. are planning a ground invasion after the non conference.They have had discussions about asking nato troops to come in after.Spain has volunteered to send troops.israel is unwittingly preparing for armageddon!annapolis is a smoke screen.

The essence of Hamas exudes from the photo of Abu Marzouk. The discoloration at the top of his forehead is the mark of his devotion to God. The promise of terror and murder for the Jews evident in his words is ungodly. We know they he and his ilk can live with that dichotomy. The shame of it is that they also know, that because of the insanity of our current western political correctness, we will do nothing to stop them. We will, of course, censure the Jews when they fight back. That, we know how to do.