AG: Settlers can petition court against Hebron house eviction

all jews withdraw from the westbank if all the million arabs withdraw from all other parts of israel. any attempts to remove jews from parts of israel is pure anti semetism. gaza is a great example. jews didnt live their overnight. they were living there for 25 years since. after such a long time you dont expell a people simply because they are jews. this land was fought for in all the israel/arab wars. israel won. arabs lost. this has been israeli land from the start. no country in the worldhas to sacrifice its habitat and land to satisfy murderers that want to destroy it. this is exactly what happned. shame on israel and its helenist government. God will reckon with you. you will be punished.

Coz it certainly doesn't look like any nation called "Lebanon" found on OUR planet Earth. Alicia: "Last summer, Israel's positions in the Leb-war were such that he could have taken half of Lebanon! But did not!" Been there, done that, Alicia, between 1982 to 2000. Didn't end very well for Israel, which is exactly why Israel did not want to repeat the experience in 2006. The IDF could have occupied half of Lebanon? Of course; the IDF was up against the equivalent of a single army division in Hezbollah. But then what, Alicia? The IDF would be knee-deep inside Southern Lebanon, facing a Hezbollah that has had six years to prepare for this, and over a decade of experience in how to inflict misery on an IDF army of occupation. Why *DO* you think Olmert was so reluctant to commit ground troops into Lebanon? Why *DO* you think he was so desperate to accept Res 1701, even though it contained almost none of the provisions he was seeking?

It certainly doesn't resemble any Middle East found on OUR planet Earth. Alicia: "in 1967 Israel was attacked by his neighbours" Care to look at who started the shooting in the six-day war, Alicia? I believe you will find that war was initiated by a combined Israeli sneak attack from the air and an Israeli armored offensive in the Sinai. Alicia: "Israel however was capable to resist" Israeli sneak attack from the air, and Israeli armored offensive in the Sinai, Alicia. Israel launched an offensive war, not a desperate defensive war. A King-Hit on its neighbors. Alicia: "It is the simple logic that the winner keeps what has fallen into his hands." Hague Conventions, 1907. Kellog-Briand Pact, 1928. Nuremberg Trials, 1945. UN Charter 1945. Geneva Conventions 1949. Resolution 242 1967. All say you are dead-set wrong, Alicia, in stating as "simple logic" a claim that is nothing more than "simple minded".

Mr.Labrhas I am for the simple logic: in 1967 Israel was attacked by his neighbours, who decided that "it is time to get rid of Israel". In that 6-day war, Israel however was capable to resist, push them away to the other side of the River Jordan, even to liberate Jerusalem, the City of the Jewish King David. It is the simple logic that the winner keeps what has fallen into his hands. The Jordanians in the WB, whom Jordan did not receive back, belong to Jordan. This is the injustice that defies logic. Today, if they prefer to be Pals, have Gaza to go to, so why don't they? MR.Labrhas, the Arabs should learn that any attack they plot in their minds against Israel WILL ALWAYS cause them a loss of land. Therefore they should ask themselves FIRST: "are they willing to give up on their land"? Last summer, Israel's positions in the Leb-war were such that he could have taken half of Lebanon! But did not! Add a 3rd compromise to the list!

in the end the settlers will be allowed to stay. Olmert is not prepared to evacuate and Peretz is an evean lamer duck. The current government is no match for the cunning and the tenacity of the settlers.

came from jordan.jordanians and palestinians are the same people-they're the edomites of yesterday they belong to edom(jordan).arabs belong to the arab land and not to the jewish land.if they really owned it(according to them they ancestors lived there for thousand years how come it was cursed(barren,swampy,uncultivated),but when the rightful owners came back to the promised land-it bloomed like a flower(some tenants don't care, right? the real owners care, right?)when they were exiled by the roman many,many years ago-the land was a curse.boycott, what is the meaning of everlasting covenant or everlasting possession?

and if so, why as someone already wrote to you, we should take your words with any degree of seriousness and respect. You seem to have come to this site, as another poster wrote, to spit your hate of Jews and anything Jewish, including the Jewish state of Isral.

The AG says psychopaths who are amongst the most imminent threats to Israel have rights. What if they fail? What if by some chance their desire to see Israel denied peace forever and to see Israelis dying for their personal insanity forever is thwarted? Will this AG be willing to tell those maniacs that they are now Palestinians citizens? Or will he insist that the existence of a few thousand insane individuals will be cause to prevent Israel from ever having peace? I think the latter. The inmates are in control of the asylum, and Israel's worst threat in control of it's future.

The AG says psychopaths who are amongst the most imminent threats to Israel have rights. What if they fail? What if by some chance their desire to see Israel denied peace forever and to see Israelis dying for their personal insanity forever is thwarted? Will this AG be willing to tell those maniacs that they are now Palestinians citizens? Or will he insist that the existence of a few thousand insane individuals will be cause to prevent Israel from ever having peace? I think the latter. The inmates are in control of the asylum, and Israel's worst threat in control of it's future.

If even a small fraction of the people, who oppose this criminal eviction, join the fight against it, it is doomed. Nobody can force us off our land unless we let them. We must not tolerate more evictions of Jews from their homes in ISrael. In fact, ultimately we will go back to Homesh, Gush Katif and everywhere else from where we've been deported in ISrael. These crimes will not stand!

Hi Boycott, Read Tosefta post #116 to me and then read #124 Alicia to me and read #146 Tosefta to Alicia. It is all on the subject of occupied territories. Rgards

"at least the Jews don't Murder" but 4 0 0 0 Paletinians dropped dead through fright since 2001. You must be JOKING Carlos,

Hi Johnboy, I just googled "IHC and occupied territories " and bingo up came the answer. Want to make any bets the usual suspects will have the intellectual courage to google a little. Regards

"#123 bethlemite, so I should give credit to the intl.laws before the truth". Yes Alicia that is what is expected of civilised people. Please explain what you mean by the intl laws not respecting the POW status of abducted Israeli soldiers and requirement to treat them well. I am sure the UN /GC/Human Rights groups are all supporting calls for their release and well being, just as they do for the thousands of Palestinians in Israeli Gaols many for years without trial. If you are not happy with these laws the answer is to get them changed and not make your own. That is the very logic that terroists and despots use to defend their actions. Think well before discounting International Laws. Some suit you, Some dont. It is not a bowl of cherries. Regards

CC: "The PA law doesn`t bar Israelis, it bars JEWS! It is a Nazi law pure and simple." It is OCCUPATION LAW, Chick. It is military law, because it is the army of occupation - not the belligerent state of Israel - that has legal jurisdiction in occupied territory. When an army establishes authority over land that does not belong to it then that land is "occupied". The laws in place when the occupation took place STAYS. That is Jordanian civil law, not Israeli civil law. The Occupying Power can override those existing laws - but the OP is the IDF, not the State of Israel. So it is Jordanian Civil Law, or it is IDF Military Law. Get it thru your skull; the West Bank is NOT a part of Israel, so Israeli civil law does not apply. So comparing what happens INSIDE ISRAEL with what happens INSIDE THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK is an exercise in irrelevency. You zionists are *all* making the same basic error; pretending that the WB is a part of Israel. It Is Not A Part Of Israel.

Alicia you misread Tosefta,s post . read the first part again. It states that the WB is under Occupation. You get confused when you get to the second part re "Government Land" and building settlements. In any event the ICJ also finds israel is occupying the WB and that is good enough for me as it is for most of the civilised world. Dont you want to be part of that. Regards

LEO: "Yes, after evicting all of its settlers from Gaza - ( giving away greenhouses which contributed to over 50% of Israelis economy) an act which literally tore the nation apart, Israel offered "very little." Go figure. " Go figure indeed. Israel gives BACK land that does not belong to it, and Leo thinks that is Israel giving UP land. Leo, if I beat you up and steal your wallet, and you badger, yell, threaten and push me and hit me and otherwise make my life such a misery that I finally say "OK! OK! Here, take the damn wallet back!" then am I: a) Being very, very generous by offering "a lot" to you? or b) Doing "very little" i.e. the bare minimum required to make restitution for my original act of theft? Your starter for ten, Leo. Your arrogance is astonishing; you suggest that Israel offered "a lot" because you talk as if you believe that the Gaza Strip belonged to Israel. It didn't. It was OCCUPIED LAND, not ISRAELI LAND.

LEO: "2. Israel acquired this territory from Jordan (which had 100% sovereignty over this land) in a legitmate act of self defence (when it was attacked by that country)." Still an ignorant little fellow, aren't you? There is no provision in International Law that "legitimate act of self-defence" allows you to keep the land you seize. Self-defence simply legitimizes your *taking* *up* *arms*. It gives you no right to keep land that you seize. Otherwise every two-bit tin-pot dictator would simply claim they were attacked first (e.g. that little "incident" at Gleiwitz on the Polish border in 1939). Look up the Kellog-Briand Pact 1928, the Nuremberg Trials post-war, and the UN Charter. Look up Res 242, Leo, and tell me what it says about "the acquisition of territory by war". No hurry, I'll wait. LEO: "If you want it explained to you again and slowly, I`d be happy to oblige" I'd prefer someone who knows what they are talking about, but thanks anyway.

If Israeli regulations and law--already sufficiently ambiguous given the historically compromised conceptual categories of the occupation and the no-war-no-peace mutability of IDF response throughout the PA--are further undermined by non-legal arguments (well, they own it regardless of failiure to notify authorities, well they have papers that say they own it regardless of recantation of the putative deed transferer, well Jews have the right to live anywhere in Eretz Yisrael) then the law becomes too porous to provide any expectations as to what is required of Israeli citizens and the consequences for behavior contrary to those expectations. We can then expect, gradually, the deteriorations that such "voluntarism" have bequeathed to Palestinian society to become more pronounced.

LEO: "1.the "territories" in question are disputed & not occuppied" Israel High Court of Justice, 2004. Ben Sourik Village Council vs The Govt of Israel and the IDF Commander in the West Bank. "1. Since 1967, Israel has been holding the areas of Judea and Samaria [hereinafter - the area] in belligerent occupation" "23. The general point of departure of all parties - which is also our point of departure - is that Israel holds the area in belligerent occupation (occupatio bellica)" Israel's own highest court in the land says you are talking out your backside, Leo, and the Govt of Israel, the IDF, and even the Ben Sourik Village Council agree. Fancy that; even village rag-head arabs know more about International Law than you do. A rather sobering thought, don't you agree?

Click: your argument already starts and ends with your invective. Why bother gilding your rhetorical turds with factual arguments; you're just sticking raisins in poop. Hebron became "Palestinian" btw through pogrom, a preview of how Palestine yearns to purify its Palestinian being, although as in Gaza, the Palestinian essence of that purity often seems like little more than a squabbling hell-hole. It's a shame for Palestine that Israeliis don't require your permission to breathe.

"Israeli Supreme Court has not yet issued any new articles concerning the WB since its annexation to Israel in 1994" This is complete nonsense! You are deluded.

"Obviously the Israeli Supreme Court has not yet issued any new articles concerning the WB since its annexation to Israel in 1994.. Please, address your questions to him, when you desire accurate and specific info on practically anything!" - Alicia Hello Alicia, Thanks for your trust, but I will be the first to claim that ny knowledge is quite limited. However, when I see an error, I must correct it. Israel never annexed the West Bank, to this day. The only part annexed was Jerusalem (in 1967). Had the WB been annexed, the Israeli Supreme Court would not have applied to it the status of "occupied territory". The Israeli Supreme Court must follow Israeli law.

Follow the link to see the peace-loving settlers of Hebron in action. http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/11/18/hebron-day-06/

before the Truth?! These same Intl.laws do not even respect the abducted Israeli-soldiers' POW-status and requirement to treat them well as such acc. to the Geneva-convention! What are such laws worth, when they do not apply in practice? BUT rather are open to interpretation.

Disengagement CANT bring peace! Oppositely, forcing intolerant Muslims to coexist with non-Muslim neighbors DOES bring peace! Jewish residents of Khevron must remain for the sake of peace.

Hi boycott. you should just ignore her and let her keep floating around looking for a pulpet to land on.I dont bother anymore.Swatting her doesn,t seem to work so only one choice left. Regards

"joshua 14:14 HEBRON therefore became the inheritance of CALEB the son of jephunneth the kenezite" Who the #### cares who these people were or what your old book says about them? In 2007, Hebron is a Palestinian city, in Palestine, with 150,000 Palestinians living there.

With the anti semites.We know what you are at heart.

Please add Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Saudis and a host of others to the list. What they all have in common is they are Arabs and muslims. Arab hard core racism is the elephant in the room no one notices. Slavery is rationalized to this day under Islam. And yes,Israel was founded by socialists. The ownership of land-in-common was premised on socialist and Zionist ideals. The land is there for the protection and security of Jews. Your view is a typical left wing view that Israel is way too big. Hebron is a Jewish Holy city. I know that doesn't mean anything to you. Jews lived there for millennium until the 1929 massacre. The anti-Jew law passed by the PA - during Oslo no lessm- is a racist law. If Syria doesn't want Jews that is one thing. But Hebron is a foundation city for Israel. If peretz supports this racist Arab law then either Israel goes down or peretz has to go.

the fact is that arabs force there way everywhere by terror ^ killing. they have built & settled 46,788 structures illegally & have NOT been evacuated. but, using your logic, israel has no right to exist at all. after all, jews forced more arabs to flee tel aviv & herzlia then the so called occupied territories

Why so much fuss about several people? Why not take care of thousands upon thousands of illegal housings built by Arabs and Bedoins?

jews did not stampede. they won a war fair & square. arabs killed jews way before jews "colonized". but, using your logic, there are 22 arab nations stampeding; only 1 jewish nation stampeding. don't you think the arabs can stop killing to let a little nation stampede & colonize. i think that will be more effective instead of terror, don't you? is colonizind so bad? at least the jews don't murder.

Jews (Yhudim) are the aborigines of Judea (Yhuda). Jews have ties to their aboriginal sacred land and ancestors. Jews have a right to live in Judea, from Khevron with the sacred burial grounds of Jewish ancestors - Avraham, Yitskhak, Yaakov - to Bet Lekhem were King David was born. To expel aborigine Jews from aboriginal land = cultural genocide.

in palestine----the arabs(muslims), aren't they?they just don't want peace.they want to destroy israel and its people.they don't want jews in the middle east.their koran recognized the people of the book,why they can't...SURA 3:3 he has sent down upon thee the BOOK with the truth,the GOSPEL aforetime, as GUIDANCE TO THE PEOPLE.

jewish people...joshua said it in: joshua 14:14 HEBRON therefore became the inheritance of CALEB the son of jephunneth the kenezite unto this day, because that he wholly followed the Lord God of Israel...........

As wolves dressed in cloth of Justice of the Peace , Charlie's angels Leftists shout Rule of Law , Immediacy Rule to slow skin DM Peretz Leftists Idol , Shake it , shake it , Leftists wan' it hot and juicy , immediate Hebron house evacuation , But AG says slow down pussies , Settlers can petition court against Hebron house eviction , Ouuuuuu Baracudaaa , smack leftists bitch up

about recognizing Israel's right to exist, in priciple? It is my understanding that as a cyber soldier you stad fast at your trenches, Jewish and Israeli ones incidentally as you know, negating the right of the country in which this paper is published to be!

By the way, in no way I argue that Israel is wrong. Countries should do whatever they want with their land. And when I say countries, I mean people living there. This is not a question. But settlers ignore all the rules and then demand protection. This is what I am against. And government keeps giving them hope that it then breaks (Gaza). This whole policy is going nowhere.

There are none.. and international laws implies Israeli civi presence is illegal. Just hard liners dispute this; ignoring international laws, the rest of the world and propably half the Israelis...AND you dont think that's odd... Judah please... Do some reading: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=10650&Cr=middle&Cr1=east

its called thuggery. the house was legally purchased.end of the matter.

I do not get what it proves. So 6% of Israeli land is available (sounds like a socialist country to me). And yes, other countries have rules against Jews buying land. But it is their rules. As article goes, IDF, under Israeli law, did not give these settlers permission. So they broke the law. I do not see what Jordan or PLO have to do with it other than emotional appeal to Supreme Court. There are neighborhoods in US which do not allow you to buy unless members vote. Does it mean USA is a horrible place??? No. So my choice is either agree with rules or sue if I feel right.

or any Israeli lands, unlike the settlers who always wants Arabs lands, then COMPENSATIONS (LOTS) when evacuated, Then they move again to another part of the Territory for more COMPENSATIONS,and it goes on and on.

that may damage the Peace Process, and leading straight for Israel being a Binational State,which the Palestinians wants.

Two Arabs were sentenced to death for selling their own property to Jews. Haaretz does not mention this. Why not?

Obviously the Israeli Supreme Court has not yet issued any new articles concerning the WB since its annexation to Israel in 1994. I trust Tosefta being better informed on this as well than me. Please, address your questions to him, when you desire accurate and specific info on practically anything!

Hi Tosefta , Thanks for the further clarification. I notice Jeff is having "Comprehension" issues again. What to do . Give him one choice he rejects it. Offer him two choices and ammm ah. Glad you did not throw in a third one. Regards

Only yesterday we heard that Bishara cannot visit enemy territories, then No Israelis is permitted to live in ENEMY TERRITOTIRES either. Asked yourself this question,are Israelis allowed to visit the West bank.? Then?

Hi Mary , "The fact is that with the creation of our "Jewish State" (I dont write in caps , it is rude) hundreds of thousands of Jews fled Arab countries etc etc" Mary you are so correct but one difference, the major portion of those that fled (your words)were responding to a plea from the leaders of the new state to go there and while they were on their way those leaders were busy shooting any Arabs who tried to return to their homes. In addition some 450 villages were razed and fiedls and crops were burned to make room for your so called "refugees from Arab countries. While I am sure there were such instances the numbers would have been far less than you or your side want us to believe. You should be teaching the younger Jewish People to make peace and not continue on the path of conflict. They will end up with nothing if they choose that course. Regards

Strange people asked the same question about Gush Katif and we said "PEACE PLEASE" and look what happened. So to answer your stupid question Mr Josh I want Chevron - not you and your arab friends kind of peace. Goodnight.

You ask how can Chevron be Jewish with "green lines" international law, Geneva conventions,east of the wall? Now I will give you the real authentic reason WHY IT IS JEWISH. Because our TORAH and the G_D OF ISRAEL says it is. (See Numbers Chapter 34 1-15) Therein lies your answer, nu go read the bible or have your stupid arguments with the "author"

"Do you want Hebron or do you want peace? You really can`t have both." I wish things were as easy as that. Even if Israel withdraws to the pre-1967 borders, there won't be peace, not as long as so many Palestinians are opposed to the very existence of Israel. The reasons I think Israel should evacuate Hebron and other settlements deep in the West Bank have nothing to do with legality or illegality, conquest or shmonquest, but with the great burden in blood and money imposed on Israelis by the existence of these unnecessary settlements which contribute nothing to Israel's security. However, if the number of Palestinians in the West Bank were, say, 100,000, I would have absolutely no objection to annexation of the entire West Bank, which Israel won as the result of a war it didn't want and didn't start. In such a case, the Jordan River would be our natural eastern border. But that's only dreaming.

Anyone who loves human rights and personal freedoms .. must defend us against Islamist culture. Islamism is the opposite of human rights and personal freedoms. Muslims must reject the coercion of Islamists and embrace and trust free will.

According to PA legislators, in using the term 'Palestine' the law refers to all the territory of the Palestine Mandate, meaning it includes all of Israel. Thus, under this statute an Israeli Arab who sells any land in Israel to an Israeli Jew would face the death penalty. This 'extraterritorial' threat receive added weight from the reported formation by the PA of a shadowy force known as 'The Long Arm,' whose task is to track down and execute Palestinians living anywhere in the world if they have sold land to Israeli Jews. In 1997 the PA Justice Minister Meddein stated that 10 Arab violators of the law had been executed. Don't have numbers since then.

Leo, the two scholars you referred to are radical because they speak the truth and you and your ilk find that a purely radical concept. Keep it up and you wil be living in the one man one vote State of "Palesrael". Your choice fella.Rgards.

Today, of the total land in Israel, 79.5% is owned by the government, 14% is privately owned by the JNF, and the rest, around 6.5%, is evenly divided between private Arab and Jewish owners. Contrary to many press reports, there are no restrictions on the purchase of private land in Israel by Israeli Arabs or by non-citizens. Such land can be, and has been, purchased by Israeli Arabs and by foreigners, including Arab foreigners. For example, a press report on such purchases quoted Israel's Deputy Housing Minister, Meir Porush: 'The Palestinian Authority is encouraging purchases of land in Israeli territory by wealthy Palestinians. It is a matter of Palestinian figures tied to the real estate business, and living mainly in London, who try to purchase homes and lands in Jerusalem through agents and lawyers who live mainly in Ramallah.'

Hello Labhras, In the two important court cases you mentione, the Israeli Supreme Court did indeed recognized that the West Bank (outside Jerusalem) is indeed under Occupation, and the Geneva Convention protection applies to the Arab residents there. In the Duikat case, the Court disallowed the confiscation of private Arab land for the purpose of building a settlement, as per the Geneva Convention, and forced the removal of the new settlement Elon Moreh. In the Beit Zourik case, the Court ordered that due consideration be given to hardship suffered by Arab residents as a result of building the "wall", again per Geneva Convention protection. As far as I know, the case of building settlements on GOVERNMENT land did not come up before the Supreme Court, and therefore they did not rule directly on this. One may infer what their position would be, but there is no direct ruling. Of course the ICJ and the rest of the international community considers this illegal, but only the Israeli Supreme Court has the power to stop it if the Knesset does not legislate a Basic Law to override them. So far, the Israeli position since 1971 is that there can be exception to the Geneva Convention applicability because Israel came to control the Territories in a war with nations which did not legally own them. (The ICJ rejected this argument.)

my great-grandmother is buried on Mt. of Olives (her grave was desecrated by the Arabs along with the whole ancient Jewish cemetery in 1948. My uncle was born and raisded in Jerusalem to an old Jerusalem Hasidic family, and I happen to be part Sephardic. Moreover, my whole family has served in the IDF defending Israel. What have you done for Israel? So when I write that the Hebron Jewish community of today should never have been there, but for the cowardice of various Israeli governments, I have much more right than you to speak - unless you have put your life on the line for Israel, or have raised your children here, or pay Israeli taxes. Otherwise, shut up, you, Choni Davidovitz, and all the other armchair Zionists who are paying lip srvice with our blood and our children.

Jews (Yhudim) are the aborigines of Judea (Yhuda). Judea includes Khevron where Avraham was buried and Bet Lekhem where King David was born. Expelling Jewish aborigines = cultural genocide

Neither an Israeli Arab or Jew finds it easy to buy land in Israel as 79.2% of all land is hled in common ( JPN ) and not for sale to any individual. But they can buy himes and lease land. Today it has been learned that land in Jerusalem owned by a Jewish group and purchased primarily using Jewish donor funds has been used for the illegal construction of dozens of Palestinian apartment buildings, a refugee camp and a United Nations school. The Jewish-owned lands, estimated to be worth about $38 million, recently were blocked off from Jewish sections of Jerusalem and isolated to Arab neighborhoods by Israel's security fence. The Jewish National Fund, an international nonprofit organization that owns the properties, has seemingly done little to boot the Arab squatters from its land, while the Israeli government, which manages the areas, did not halt the illegal Arab construction on the Jewish-owned properties.

I am sure you said the same about Gaza settlers. This is a waste of time. These settlements will go away. Sooner than later. These people waste the lives of their children in that fight. It would be better to spend all that energy on getting them better lives, AWAY from Arabs, behind clear border, building better Israel. And, I know soldiers do not want to be in the middle either.

No wonder anti semitism is on the rise all over the world, I support the Israeli nation, but not the ocupation. As long as you support these raving religious lunatics (settlers) there will never be peace. It's on the news all over the world, displaying the same insanity as Islamic extremists. Retreat to your own country and stop the harassment of the Palestine people and the rest of the world will salute you and support the Israeli people.

I support the Jewish residents of Khevron 1000%! Jews (Yhudim) are the aborigines of Judea (Yhuda). Jews have ties to their aboriginal sacred land and their sacred ancestors who are buried there. Muslims who live in Jewish aboriginal land must learn to accept that Jewish aborigines live there too. There will never ever, ever, be peace until Muslims learn to respect the human rights and personal freedoms of non-Muslims. Expulsion Jewish aborigines = cultural genocide.

"ever notice how jews always have to evacuate?" Ever notice how the Israelis are always breaking international law by settling in occupied land in contravention of the Geneva Convention?

As soon as the settlers moved in, and while there was still a serious dispute about ownership, I called on Peretz to remove the settlers right away for the reason that they did not obtain building permit and occupancy permit. Now, three weeks after the fact, Peretz wants to evacuate under "immediate military need"! If it is "immediate", why did you wait 3 weeks, idiot? Next time, follow the immediacy rule. Every time settlers move to a new isolated place, the IDF needs to provide protection. This "immediately" disrupts IDF activities.

and understanding where you are coming from. PULLLLEEEZE be honest. Where did you get your BS figures from?? Gush Katif provided 50% of our economy. Come on kid perhaps .05%... IF THAT!!!

tizens to evacuate a properly and legaly bought house , How come DM Peretz dares not to give ultimatum to PA and Leb Gov't to release Shalit , Udi and Eldad , DM Peretz rather leave this task to Lieberman so to portray him as extremist , DM Peretz is supposed to upheld Israel rule of Law against the crime of kidnapping , against the crime of quassams hittin' civilians areas , against the crime of tunnels terror smugglin', against Hezbollah and leb Gov't defiance to abide by UNSC 1701 ,isn't he , It clearly appears that Israel rule of Law as upheld by DM Peretz is applied differently , DM Peretz's Justice Lady has no eye-blinder , has no eye-bandana , A strikin' indication of DM Peretz highly politically motivated corrupted move against Israel Hebron citizens , Leftists primaries are up , the heat is on , while eying the about to be vacated Finance post to Peretz, Leftists want the DM post to Barak , the relentlessly repeated leftists slogan that Judea and Samaria aren't part of Israel thru the leftists fabricated fear of "Diplomatic Impass" in the face of Jihad are hammered in leftists heads , Yeah leftists as wolf disguided in cloth of Justice of the Peace , while very much behaving as Mideast escort credit cards chasers meltin' at the sound of faltterin' words from foreign States and opportunists merchants , leftists meltin' especially at the sound of Pimp Jihad terror flirt words , you just can easely imagine Leftists walkin' Mideast palaces halls with a mini skirt and no underwear on ,

Leaving aside the emotional blackmail, what is your answer to the question. Do you want Hebron or do you want peace? You really can't have both.

In Hebron, there are 150,000 Palestinians and about 500 settlers, protected by 2,000 IDF. The city is many miles east of the Green Line and the Wall. How can you possibly claim that Hebron is yours?

Those legal jokes took place before, many times. One does not need to be a prophet to predict that the settlers will be in that house (and additional ones) a month from now.. a year from now.. etc.

anyone who does not agree with him.

the article on religious educators. Don't worry Choni I won't breathe a word of who you are with to the lovely Miriam!

Alicia after you have read those "IHJ" rulings I pointed out re "Disputed" V "Occupied" perhaps you can respond to my request yesterday to provide me with examples of Israel,s "Compromising Nature". I am very curious to see what you come up with. Regards.

Stifle the Palistinian economy and make most Palistinians destitute, then buy their home and land from them at very high prices. Then establish settlements throughout Palistine. Wow what a wonderful plan! Every hungry Palistinian baby will live to reward your deception.

Many thanks - todah raba - for helping me out with Josh Goldman. They know nothing about the Jewish People and they keep on writing their rubbish. I am old, you youngsters must keep up the good fight.

"#78 Petteri, the WB is a disputed not occupied part of official Israeli Territory". 1, See Beit Zourik V Israel HCJ 2056/04 2, See Duikat V Israel HCJ 390/79. So Alicia and the others who believe the "Disputed " myth, do you have the intellectuel courage to take a look at these two laws passed by your own High Court and in fact they are in line with the ICJ,S findings of June of 2004. Do you have the courage to step up and admit you are wrong. Regards

Your long diatribe does not impress me - the fact is that with the creation of our JEWISH STATE in 1948 hundreds of thousands of Jews fled Arab countries, almost all of whom left behind all their property for which compensation was never paid, and they were certainly not breeding suicide bombers!!! Hebron is ours like it or leave it. After the massacre in 1929, in which I lost relatives, and the subsequent wars iniated by your "friends" our young soldies, and the not so young fought long and hard, and by a miracle we regained our land. Our stupid Govt gave up beautiful Gush Katif and the rockets screamed into Sderot. We give up the Gush and Yesh, and the rockets will fall into our main cities. No Mr Goldman I for one do not take notice of your"intellectual" rubbish input - I am an elderley lady, JewishIsraeli who has lived here many years and you and your ilk do not impress me with your fancy words. Go and write your rubbish on an Arab website. Go already.

WB is not Israel because Israel does not enforce its laws there. West bank judges do not have to have Israeli diplomas, WB police is not being trained in Israeli academies, Israeli commerce law is not enforced there, Israel, under many agreements, has to pay back taxes to Palestinian government. This is not Israel. You live in wonderland.

"Show me the law barring Israeli Arabs from buying property in Israel" - but you argue against yourself. Yes, Israeli Arabs can buy land in Israel. Can non-Israeli Arabs freely buy land ( and I mean, real estate agent and that is it) in Israel, without some government restrictions? Now, I will not argue because I do not live in Israel, but it seems that the evidence say they cannot. West Bank is not Israel. It is just not. And I do not say Israel is bad. I say the idea of settlers that they can live wherever they want and Israel has to protect them is insane.

It should no longer surprise me that people can live in Israel and still know so little about what actually goes on here. But I am still surprised how little you really know - apart from the rhetoric and lies - about what goes on here. Of course, anyone who does present an alternative - such as the two scholars you mention - is dismissed out of hand as a 'radical extremist'. Yours is the kind of thinking that enables fascism to grow - a wilful kind of ignorance and eagerness to believe state lies.

When Jordan was created out of 75% of British Palestine it was agreed Jews could not buy property there. Saudi and other Arab states are close to judenrein. Why, however, should a place with three millenia of connection to Jews, the second holiest place in Jewish history, be out of bounds for Jews? If 1.25 million Arabs can live peacefully in Israel, some Jews can also be guaranteed the right to live peacefully in places like Chevron.

' Yes, after evicting all of its settlers from Gaza - ( giving away greenhouses which contributed to over 50% of Israelis economy) an act which literally tore the nation apart, Israel offered "very little. ' That would be a metaphor, no? Otherwise a terrifying example of the power of a vengeful deity. A god who can literally tear a country apart: yikes! I'm off to sacrifice a goat. Jess.

part of official Israeli territory!!! It is a capital crime with a death penalty, acc. to the present PAL-law, for a Pal to sell a house to a Jew in this Israeli territory, which the WB is and that the Pals are currently occupying, while in your opinion Pals should have a freedom to buy houses in all of Israel regardless that they are not citizens of Israel and are an occupying entity in the WB that is Israeli territory, instead of living in their autonomous Gaza. Your logic is screwed-up, mind me saying!

Show me the law barring Israeli Arabs from buying property in Israel. There is none. Now Israelis can barred from setting foot in many Arab countries such as Lebanon. That is Lebanese law. It may be stupid but it is not precisely racist - as long as a French Jew can travel and visit Lebanon freely. The PA law doesn't bar Israelis, it bars JEWS! It is a Nazi law pure and simple. Israel is a Jewish nation and so any Jew escaping persecution anywhere in the world is given refuge and citizenship. Comparing the history of Jews and Israel to Arabs is absurd. Historically Arabs have been the aggressors and victimizers and not the victims. That is how their religion was spread. Israel gives a break to Jews as every other nation in the world does exactly the opposite. That is Zionism. The Diaspora is one long period of persecution of Jews by others. Arabs have over 20 nations. There is no similarity whatsoever.

From this last post of yours, I've learnt that there is no one to talk too. I now know what makes you tick - any form of logic or rationallity does not apply. Yes, after evicting all of its settlers from Gaza - ( giving away greenhouses which contributed to over 50% of Israelis economy) an act which literally tore the nation apart, Israel offered "very little." Go figure. By allowing arafat back into the territories and giving him authority over the 98% of Palestinins, giving him billions of dollars and arming him to the teeth, the Israelis offerd "very little." go figure. Need I go on? It JUST SO happens that fanatical Islamists are also murdering & waging war against other people around the world...because these people too offer "very little." Why waste more of my time with an illogical & irrational person - who is either a) a sock puppet or (b simply a disillussioned defeatist who comes from the Israeli school of thought of radical extremists like Avi Shlaim or Illan Pappe.

If Israeli authorities say it was illegal for them to buy without permission, why do we argue? It should go to Supreme Court. In the meantime, since they bought without IDF permission, they should have absolutely no government protection. If they believe they can peacefully live among Palestinians - great! But not one soldier should be guarding that house. Not one. Unless IDF agrees to that which would make the whole issue mute.

"...because the settlers are in possession of ownership documents testifying to their purchase of the house from its former owners." Question: No Jews Allowed?

You sure don't know anything about us. 'Can Palestinians from Hebron buy houses in Israel' Yes they can. 'I suppose not.' You are wrong, so just shut up about your ignorance. 'Why then Israelis could buy houses in the occupied areas?' Because under the Oslo Accords that area was agreed to be under our control. The PNA signed the agreement. 'Same rules to everybody in that Apartheid country.' In our country the same rules do apply. You might notice the person that sold the house is facing the death penalty for doing so. That is an Apartheid act, not usm but the PNA which makes it illegal for Jews to immigrate. All 56 Muslim countries have that law. 'No racial and religious discrimination.' Take it up with the Arabs. They are the ones with those laws, not us.

Leo, you have clearly bought into every lie about Israeli 'peacebuilding'. Take a proper look at Oslo and what followed. Israel offered very little - certainly not recognition of Palestinian right to statehood, and demonstrated its bad faith by stepping up the building of settlements and the removal of residency rights from Palestinians living for generations in Jerusalem. Gaza was a similar case of smoke and mirrors. There is not the space here to debunk all this nonsense. But, to put it in a nutshell, Israel has never been a serious player for peace (and don't get me started on the myth of 'Barak's big offer') . The authorities' full energies have gone into PR so that the world thinks Israel cares for peace while it proceeds to grab whatever it can get away with. Apparently you have fallen for the PR. Given the Jews' reputation for critical thinking this is very un-Jewish of you.

Of course getting out of Gaza brought Israel closer to peace. Common. There is now clera border, no need to protect settlers, soldiers can now do what they do best. Palestinians almost have internal Civil War. Hamas seems to have problems getting along with all their supporters in other Arab states, most of the leadership is occupied with their government cars and offices. When was the last bombing in Israel? When was the last attack on any settlement? Read the news, do not create it. To say that Gaza withdrawal caused suicide bombing is an absolute lie. Israel did not fight the war in Gaza. It fought it in Lebanon. Are you crazy? What are you talking about? Wow!!!

Jews & Arabs alike are not allowed to build on State owned land. How is that a case for discrimination? Discrimination only occurs when the government allows one group to illegally build (without even PAYING for the land in quesiton, so forget about building permits) on State owned public land while barring (and even evicting) another group from exercising their right to lawfully purchase land and houses from people who quite willingly and freely oblige to sell their own properties (and are executed by their own respective governments in the process). Not only is this pure discrimination but also against all moral and legal laws & codes.

I've noted your response to Mary. Question - do you think Israel's withdrawal from Gaza brought us any closer to peace? ( I'll give you a little clue...in the immediate aftermath of the withdrawl kassams rained down on southern Israel...many were killed or injured. the palestinians became more radical & elected hamas in government. Israel also experienced its first suicide bombing in a long while. For the first time in many years, Israel's sovereignty was compromised & Israeli soldiers where kidnapped on both sides of the border. just over half a year after the withdrawal Israel was first to fight its first war in 24 years and the entire country was parallised). thousands of Now what of future withdrawals? What will it bring...more "peace?" And what did Oslo bring - beside the bitter fact that more Israelis were killed in terror attacks in the aftermath of the accords than in any other time in history? Do you care to dispute these facts? Is one permitted to think logically & rationally

You compare two different things. Israeli Arab is an Israeli citizen. He can buy whatever he wants and should have a right to do so. Since West bank is not Israeli territory, Israelis may not be able to buy land there. The same as Arab living in Gaza village cannot buy land in Israel. And even if he could, he would be killed by hardliners in Israel. So try to compare facts that might make sense.

A Jew from France can move to Israel, claim full citizenship, buy property wherever he or she likes. An Arab Israeli doesn't not have such liberty. Buying property is not that simple unless you are Jewish. Next time you're visiting check it out.

always said they could not be trusted.the sneaky josh goldman tries his best but we know he is a pal. who knows what these pals would try next.

Such an old and useless argument. Every Israeli policy shows that these are occupied terrirtories. The best example: Israel has never tried to make these territories part of Israel because Israeli law was never enforced outside the settlements. This is why these are occupied territories. Does Israeli commerce law applies there? No How about family law? No And forget about law enforcement and so on. Would Israeli Supreme Court resolve a dispute between two Arabs who live in the West Bank? No. So stop saying these are disputed.

Rabin was killed for less I hate this bs more than violence and therefor I only see a violent countermessure: do NOT leave Hebron: play it by the law and when the Law does not work:scratch,bite and kill!!!! cause there is allmighty duty those settlers have; I pray for Settlers, I bet my money for the Settlers and I feel G-d is with them!power to the settlers, settlers should run the governement!

And you are abosolutley correct in saying that it is not YOUR problem. Thats the only true thing that has coming out of your bitter & twited mind. Yes, its not your problem & it doesn't concern you. Stick to matters down under. A certain "Josh Goldman" (if thats actually his real name & not that of a sock puppet of a certain someone) remarked that I invoked cheap references to Australia's policy on aboriginals...but I think its just a bit rich for someone who lives on land LITERALLY stolen from aboriginies (forget about taking the territory in a defensive war) to be selectivley & pompously quoting from "int. law" about "occuppation" & "occuppiers" in a bid to delegitmize Israel's right to the land. A certain someone who ( unlike the Jews whom he seeks to lecture to) did not only literally grab land away, but had no prior connection to the land (be it historical, religious etc) that he grabbed in the first place.

Israeli Arabs buy houses and businesses in Israel all the time everywhere. The law on the PA bars Jews specifically. Do you understand that? A Jew from France having no Israeli connection could not buy a house because he is a Jew. Being a Jew automatically bars you. It is pure racism. There is no such law barring Arabs in Israel and in fact I doubt there is any law on any non-Muslim nation barring a specific religious or racial group from buying a home. Of course if you go back to the Third Reich there might be a similar law to the palestinian one.

I wouldn't want you having a break down... As someone else ever so kindly explained to you 1.the "territories" in question are disputed & not occuppied 2. Israel acquired this territory from Jordan (which had 100% sovereignty over this land) in a legitmate act of self defence (when it was attacked by that country). Jordan since reliniquised their claim to the land. So no, so called "int. law" that you quote has does not apply to this situation what so ever. If you want it explained to you again and slowly, I'd be happy to oblige. Yes, everything that happens in Israel has everything to do with the so alled "Palesitnians"-espeically when they execute their own (I would have thought that was against int law, no?)4 legally selling THEIR OWN land to Jews. Arabs having the freedom to live & build (illegally & via theft) in Israel whilst Jews are forbidden to live in so called "Palestine" (under "two state" solution)is totally unacceptable.

Please see my message for Mary. On the specific issue of building permission - the point is that discrimination both formal and informal is at play preventing Israeli Arabs (unlike Israeli Jews) from getting permission to build and, in some cases, even to rent. You might be interested in the work of Oren Yiftachel from Ben Gurion University. He speaks, quite correctly, of Israel as an 'ethnocracy' rather than a 'democracy'. Perhaps you like it that way. Personally, I hope that Israel will someday become a genuine democracy and truly be a 'light unto the nations'. If that makes me a 'Hellenist' in your book then so be it. The tribal mentality that you seem to favour is the shortcut to hell as far as I'm concerned.

JFROMC!!!!!! SARAH!!!! POSTERS 55-58!!!! AND #70!!!! AND THAT ONE WHO SIGNS THEMSELVES 'VOICE of MOSHIACH))' GIVE UP!!!!! WHY?????? BECAUSE I HAVE GLUED THE CAPS LOCK KEY DOWN AND REMOVED ALL PUNCTUATION FROM MY KEYBOARD!!!!! AND SOON I WILL RELEASE A NEW HEBREW AND ARABIC CHARACTER SET I HAVE DEVISED THAT CONTAINS CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!! TRY ARGUING WITH ME THEN!!!!! I WILL BE SELLING BOTH THESE KEYBOARDS AND THE NEW CAPITAL LETTERS THOUGH AND WILL RELEASE AN EDUCATIONAL LICENCE SO AS IMPOVERSISHED STUDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH THIS NEW INTENSITY OF TEXT BASED SHOUTING. SORRY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ".. .. TEXT BASED SHOUTING!!!!!" UNTIL THIS EAGERLY AWAITED RELEASE THOUGH - I AM UNDOUBTEDLY THE LOUDEST TYPIST!!!! I CAN USE MORE EXCLAMATION MARKS THAN ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I HEREBY CHALLENGE ALL COMERS - LEFT OR RIGHT - TO DEFEAT ME ON THE TOPIC OF THE HEBRON SETTLERS. Yours Sincerely, Carl Leeds West Yorkshire England UK

Tarek, I think that what is obvious to you is not necessarily the truth. But it is your right to hold fast to what you believe. I assume that you are referring to [recent - 2004] ICJ decision on the "Apartheid Wall" which I obviously did not read - the decision that states that "Israel cannot rely on a right of self‑defence." The decision that was regaled with the objective opinions of dignitaries from such luminary democracies as Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Cuba and Sudan. The decision that called on Israel to cease 'illegal activities' before the court had voted them to be illegal. No Tarek, I just don't have the time to read everything. But, like you, I read what I deem relevant and constructive. So please accept my apologies for breaking with that tradition in my reading of your post.

When the massacre of 1929 finally ended, the surviving Jews were forced to leave their home city and resettled in Jerusalem. Some Jewish families tried to move back to Hebron, but were removed by the British authorities in 1936 at the start of the Arab revolt. In 1948, the War of Independence granted Israel statehood, but further cut the Jews off from Hebron, a city that was captured by King Abdullah's Arab Legion and ultimately annexed to Jordan. When Jews finally gained control of the city in 1967, a small number of massacre survivors again tried to reclaim their old houses. Then defense minister Moshe Dayan supposedly told the survivors that if they returned, they would be arrested, and that they should be patient while the government worked out a solution to get their houses back. Years later, settlers moved to parts of Hebron without the permission of the government, but for those massacre survivors still seeking their original homes, that solution never came.

I suppose not. Why then Israelis could buy houses in the occupied areas? Same rules to everybody in that Apartheid country. No racial and religious discrimination.

I have been following your discussions with interest. LET ME MAKE ONE THING QUITE CLEAR. When it comes to the Land of Israel there is just one authority. NOT international Law, NOT Geneva convention, NOT U.N. NOT Israel Supreme court. ONLY TORAH AND THE GOD OF ISRAEL HAS AUTHORITY ON WHO CAN AND CANNOT LIVE IN THIS HOLY JEWISH LAND. Now after nearly 20000 years of foreign rule, God in his mercy, has returned sovereignty of Israel to the Jewish people. NOW JOHNBOY GO READ THE BIBLE. (submit any queries to the "author"

& go back to Europe. In any case if I was making the argument in your place -Yitzhak Rabin & his govt would be the last people I would mention when making the argument that the "Hebron settlement was born in sin" (all because the Hebron settlers did not seek his permission to settle there.) Yitzhak Rabin & the Israeli government are hardly a bastion for moral authority or the rule of law in Israel. After all its the same Yitzhak Rabin who had Jews murdered in cold blood in 1948 & its the same Yitzhak Rabin & Israeli govt who broke their own countries law - committing a high act of treasion by brining Arafat back to life, creating a terrorist authority & activley arming & funding this authority (something they do to THIS VERY DAY) to murder thousands of Jews. There is a high price to pay for such treason...and none has been paid yet despite all the rivers of Jewish blood.

"THE SETTLERS ARE GONNA LEAVE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER" They are history, no doubt, but it depends on how much misery they inflict before they get their marching orders. Israel does not want peace talks, nor does it want anything to do with a negotiated peace; it wants to finish its separation wall and then unilaterally declare "That's it. That's the new border of the State of Israel, and if you don't like it then kiss my ass". Might have worked a year or two ago. But too late now, and the unceremonious way in which the Saudis has walked onstage and simply SHOVED Condi and Bush off the podium shows exactly how much prestige and influence the USA has lost. And only the USA could have made Olmert's (and Sharon's) plan work. It ain't gonna work now, and the settlers are history. But if Olmert refuses to do it then it'll take a war to shift them. THAT would be a crying shame, alonitzafoni.

Josh of course they are less likely to get persmission to build on this land -since its public state land. How many govts. grant ppl permits to build on state land? Name 1 country. Of course you would have to petition to actually BUY the land FIRST before asking for a permit to build. Also I think its a little rich, that you invoke the following justification- "Furthermore, some of the villages you describe as "illegal" were built by people evicted from their ancestral villages in 1948." What about the Jews who were murdered and evicted from their ancestral home of Hebron in 1929? Don't they have a right to rebuild their community? Don't they have a right to LEGALLY PURCHASE (thats right LEGALLY PURCHASE) homes & lands (that once belonged to Jews anyway) from Arabs who are willing to sell? When are you going to start to look out for the rights of your own rather than twist the truth & help perperate a grave injustice? When will Jews start acting like Jews rather than Hellinists?

Yesher Koach. Israel will very soon become an authentic Jewish state.

Esther you are a mad self-hating, anti-semitic, Loony-Tunes, Bolshevik*/Trotskyite/Maoist, defeatist, Arab lover Jihadist who holidays in Iran/Palestine (if such a thing existed which it doesn't because it's Jordan really and why can't they all go there 'cause they're all Arabs anyway) & as such are a traitor & I should know because I don't live in Israel but I have been there a few times though admittedly I don't live in New York but still Leeds residents have more authority on matters Israeli than Lord Haw-Haws who live in 'Tel Aviv' and spend all their time sitting about in Shenkin St dodging army service instead of doing so in YESHA Yeshivas. Shit!! Sorry!! I forgot the exclamation & question marks!!!!!!! & I MEANT TO WRITE IT ALL IN CAPITALS!!!!!! AM I SHOUTING THEN????? YES!! I ALWAYS AM!!!!! Oh god these forums are tedious. Esther, console yourself with the posters' addresses and the PC's 'Off' button lest you go insane. Now where's my button .. Carl. *Delete as applicable

Do you want peace or do you want Hebron? Since having Hebron means, inevitably, imposing military rule on the native population who, predictably, resist the resulting brutality, you cannot have both. Which is it to be? Living in accordance with Jewish history / mythology or living in accordance with international law and human rights? A tough choice for some but a choice that has to be made nonetheless. This is not a matter of 'left' vs 'right' as so often claimed but a matter of believing that we are all human beings worthy of respect OR assuming that, as Jews, we are above agreed international norms and can treat non-Jews like animals to be slaughtered / incarcerated / cast aside in our 'return' to land on which they have lived for centuries.

THE SETTLERS ARE GONNA LEAVE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ISNT THAT ENOUGH TO KEEP YOU HAPPY???OR DO YOU WANT 7 MILLION JEWS ON YOUR DOORSTEP IN THE OUTBACK????

How many wars in the Middle East since 1945? And in how many wars have the Arabs attempted to colonize land that they have seized by war? Let me see.... looking.... looking.... nope. Maybe Jordan in the West Bank 1949-67, but it claimed it ANNEXED that land - claimed it as part of its sovereign territory - rather than try to colonize land that doesn't belong to it. Iraq in 1980? Or again in 1991? No, no attempt to colonize, though it did attempt annexation. But Israel? Well, lookie here: Sinai 1967-1979 Gaza 1967-2005 West Bank 1967-ongoing Golan Heights 1967-ongoing So I guess the answer to YOUR guestion is that, yes, it's always the Jews. But that is because it is always the Israelis who stampede onto land that they KNOW doesn't belong to the State of Israel. Rather rude of them, actually.

when Rabbi Moshe Levnger and a group of zealots took over some old buildings in the old Jewish Quarter in 1976, withut permission of either the ilitary or civil authorities. The prime minister at the time, Yitzhak Rabin, and his Foreign Minister, were too weak to evacuate these original squatters, because of coalition considerations. The National Religious had to be placated. In the end, the NRP brought down the coalitionanyways, after some new fighter-bomber jets were delivered on the Sabbath. Ever since then, no Israeli government has dared evacuate these hooligans.

Seth: "Regarding the 4th GC A2, Israel does, in fact, ADMINISTER Hebron in keeping with the GC" And that makes it something other than an Occupying Power, well, how, exactly? Better go look up the definition of "occupation" in the Hague Regulations 1907, coz it exactly fits the situation you just described. Seth: "What`s commonly known as the West Bank is internationally recognized as disputed territory according to UN 242" Looking...looking...nope, the words "disputed territory" is nowhere in Res 242. But I *do* know where the words "belligerent occupation" can be found. In par1 and par23 of the Israeli Supreme Court (i.e. Israel High Court of Justice) ruling in the case of "Ben Sourik vs the Govt of Israel and the Commander of the IDF in the West Bank". ISRAEL's highest court found that the West Bank is under "belligerent occupation", and both the Govt of Israel and the IDF commander agreed. Gosh! I think that trumps your non-quote, don't you think?

Esther I would like to know how you cannot be one bit upset about giving up our second holiest place - Hebron?? I am not religious but I went to a brit at the Machpela, and I felt a tremendous bond just being there. The Jewish people want again to live and make it thrive, what is so wrong with this?? They arecertainly NOT the "devils" they are made out to be. They are hospitable, and truly and sincerely love the place. How can you NOT care?? I am sorry about the TA dig - one gets carried away sometimes.

Seth thinks "the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons do demand." means that the Occupying Power can remove whoever it likes under ANY flimsy pretext. That proviso is there for the protection of the civilians ("the security of the population") during the immediate armed conflict ("imperative military reasons do demand"). The armed conflict lasted exactly six days, Seth. SO that proviso became unavailable to the IDF six days after the shooting started. Read the Commentaries that accompany the Convention, and you'll see you are talking rubbish. After all, Seth, the 4th Geneva Convention was created *FOR* the protection of civilians during conflict. It was not created *FOR* the convenience of the belligerent HCPs. YOUR argument requires a "Bad Faith" reading of Article 49, which is exactly why official Commentaries exist. I suggest you go read them.

interesting! arabs can do whatever they want, but jews must vacate!! double standard? history just repeats itself! the sad thing is that now jews are evacuating jews. i suppose that is a renewal. shame on us!! perhaps it's better not to have a state.

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Leo: "They are building illegal villages and structures all over Israel -ON GOVERNMENT STATE OWNED PUBLIC LAND, without any permission " Well, wackey-do, Leo. That is a domestic problem between the State of Israel and its own citizens. It has no bearing on what ISRAELI citizens - arab, jew, christian or devil-worshipper - can or can't do on OCCUPIED LAND. THE IDF OCCUPIES THE WEST BANK, THE STATE OF ISRAEL DOES NOT OWN IT. IT IS NOT THERE FOR THE STATE OF ISRAEL TO DIVVY UP FOR ITS CITIZENS. Leo:"The entire country is dotted with these illegally built villages and towns." Israel's problem, not mine. And definitely nothing to do with the Palestinians. Leo: "Meanwhile, Jews legally buy houses & land from Arabs in Judea and Samaria & get evicted" NOT ISRAELI LAND. Get that singular fact thru your skull, and you'll see why one issue is covered by INTERNATIONAL LAW and the other issue is purely a problem of Israeli domestic property law.

Assuming by "Our worst enemy" Choni meant ISRAEL's enemies, rest assured Mr. Davidowitz, your GOOD friend that cowardly DOG and so called JEW yigal amir MHRIH who by *cold bloodedly* MURDERING our Late, Great PM, a Hero of ISRAEL, Yitzchak Rabin z'l will NEVER EVER be released. It's bad enough that we allow the dog to attempt to breed. But released NEVER!!!

"This is racism plain and simple" - So evicting people from a home which they purchased illegally is racist? What is racist is denying Israeli Arabs the right to buy homes in certain sections of Israel. What is racist is the belief that somehow Jews are more worthy of this land than any other people.

sarah your shouting does NOT make you correct either. The percentages you quote are 100% wrong as well. Your right wing fanaticism will only lead to more bloodshed. Get real sarah before it's too late!!

Mazuz, Peretz and leftist media are behind this travesty. Not recognizing the Jihadhist forces that seek the destruction of the Parent tradition of Islam, Judaism and the Jewish State of Israel. Capital crime to sell to Jews. Bowing to Muhammedan intimidation tactics and nothing to do with the rule of law. These dhimmies and dummies and their one-sided blind agenda to discredit Jewish Right to live and Exist in Israel while empowering terrorism and Jihad. What lunacy to have these twisted ideologues in power. Bisharas are less of threat than these failed losers.

IS BUSY THROWING JEWISH PEOPLE OUT OF THE PROMISED LAND!! When will all Israelis wake up from their deep slumber and revolt and vomit their leaders out.

IS BUSY THROWING JEWISH PEOPLE OUT OF THE PROMISED LAND!! When will all Israelis wake up from their deep slumber and revolt and vomit their leaders out.

These lawless fantical reilgious settleres can stay where they are. give them a Palestinian passport. Dont expect the secular soldiers to leave their families and put their lives at risk for the sake of your fanatical beliefs. Welcome to Palestine and have a nice life. problem solved

Again the liberal leftists are too openminded to take their own side. In a tradition going back to the WW2 Ghetto Judenrats, we witness Star of David wearing authorities. removing Jews for resettlement. "Sacrificing the few" to appease the ememy, means that eventually you'll sacrifice all. Working for your enemies does not make you free, it only makes you dead.

Mary, the point is that I DO want the settlers to come home, to come home to Israel proper which has tons of space for them. The tragedy is seeing them occupying the land and homes of the Pals. This ridiculous illegal "purchase" that the settlers maintain they made does not make the dwellings that they have taken over kosher. (And by the way, I don't understand what Tel Aviv has got to do with this. I dafka liven in J'lem for 50 yrs.)

this singular ocupation seems to be ilegal. if there would be just the trace of legalicy, the israeli goverment would put some soldiers to protect the settlers.

1- 1988 Jordan relinquished the WB & its responisbilities to the PLO. Then the Palestine National Council adopted the Palestinian Declaration of Independence in Algiers proclaiming an independent State of Palestine. And shortly after Palestine was recognized by over 100 countries. 2- Israel cannot be aquire land by war. No country can w/out negotiations or a treaty. 3- Legality and the 4th Genva convention: It was voted in 1980, UNSCR 465 which determined that Israel's policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including E. Jerusalem, constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

What is legal? To act according to the law or according to the "rules"?

It's a shame that Israel's government once again wants to evict Jews from a legally aquired home from a spot where Jews have the full right to live! Get your priorities in the proper order politicians and appreciate the builders of Israel for their merrit.

Nobody buys a house without clear documents of the purchase and ownership "before and after" and without receiving a receit! If these settlers are evicted, they need to get their money back!

80% OF THE COUNTRY IS AGAINST YOU AND PERETZ!!!!! 80% OF THE COUNTRY WILL SOON ERASE EVERY REMNANT OF YOUR TRAITOROUS BEING!! ACTUALLY ITS MORE LIKE 90%!!!! 90% RIGHT WING IN ISRAEL (BECAUSE OF THE LEFTS DICTATORIAL BEHAVIOR) 10% LEFT WING ELITE WHO RUN IT!!!!! SOON YOUR 10% WILL BE OUT OF POWER FOREVER!!!!!!

Johnnyboy, your arguments, and your intentions are still transparent. When you refer to Article 49 of the Geneva Conventions, which you say forbid forcible removal of people from occupied territory, do you mean the part that says, "the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons do demand." ??? Regarding the 4th GC A2, Israel does, in fact, ADMINISTER Hebron in keeping with the GC. Israel, however, is not an occupying force - believe it or not. What's commonly known as the West Bank is internationally recognized as disputed territory according to UN 242 (OK. I brought it up.). In the future, when a stable 'High Contracting Party' rises in the West Bank, Israel will negotiate withdrawal. Until then, Israel retains the right, if disputed, of sovereignty to at least some of the territory. Nitwit? I've been called worse (kike, cheap, dirty, yahud, etc.).

It is bizarre that Seth can claim the Occupied Territories are not occupied and that the Geneva Conventions are not applicable to them. Every World Court ruling in history on the issue has confirmed that the Geneva Conventions are applicable in some form. The International Court of Justice, in its recent ruling, confirmed in a lengthy statement that Seth obviously did not read that the fourth Geneva Convention applies, though with certain restrictions. What is even more annoying is when these people who've probably never read a book in their lives and pulled this nonsense off some website write things like "go read some history." This is not a complicated matter.

They will eventually become citizens of Palestine, adding to the cultural diversity of the new state.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said. Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off".

These racist settlers should be removed ASAP along with all their comrades-in-arms.

The anarchists who think that they are helping 'Eretz Yisroel' by squatting on property that they see is un-ocupied (and think that they are in the right) are harming the State of Israel both at home and abroad. In my opinion, they should be extradited to where they came from or learn once and for all that Israel is a law-abiding society, and if they wish to live in it, and enjoy the privileges they have, they must be law-abiding, and cease all anarchist activities. As the PM of Astralia said:

As anyone who has bothered to look seriously into this issue can tell you, the reason why Israeli Arabs build 'illegally' is due to the fact that, in comparison to Jewish applicants, they are far less likely to be granted permission to build. Furthermore, some of the villages you describe as "illegal" were built by people evicted from their ancestral villages in 1948. Before you start flinging mud (and invoking cheap references to Australian policy on aborigines - how tired is that snipe??), please find out a little more about Israeli government policy - formal and informal.

Do you Mary advocate more violence? You would prefer the "settlers" to stay in a DISPUTED building that obvisiouly was NOT theirs to start with, or how and why would your government want them evicted,obvisiously the papers dont match the words of ownership? Yes israel should do more bargaining to gain the soldiers back but israel should be sincere in their bargaining, instead of going forth and being the demander and not bargaining. There should be winners on BOTH sides. Look at Iran and the British situation, Iran gave the soldiers back, and according to Iran the Brits were in their territory, but a show of good will was offered by the Iranians to end the dispute. HUMBLENESS is not always so bad. Try it israel you might look a little more humane then.

These settler-terrorists and their radical, religious, anti-democratic supporters are the rot destroying a safe, secure and democratic Israel. They are not any different than Islamic fundamentalists, and just as dangerous.

Esther I would rather peretz prove himself by trying to get Gilad Shalit out of captivity, and Goldwasser and Regev out of the murderous hands of Hizbollah. "Proving himself" would be acceptable to you if he threw some Jewish people out of their homes. You do not set your standards very high even though you live in TA.

In this instance the great majority of citizens in Israel are wishing Peretz success, and that he should not footdrag and should not be duped by settler manouvers.

"If an ARAB ISRAELI tried this trick Peretz would also deny them permission." The last part of your reply to Seth, not only demonstrates your complete ignorace of the situation but also demonstrates just how full of BS you are.Israeli Arabs have been trying "this trick" all the time..&quite successuly I may add. They are building illegal villages and structures all over Israel -ON GOVERNMENT STATE OWNED PUBLIC LAND, without any permission (forget about even paying for the land) from the government. Pure theft & pure land grabbing & they get away with it. The entire country is dotted with these illegally built villages and towns. Meanwhile, Jews legally buy houses & land from Arabs in Judea and Samaria & get evicted. The fact that Peretz has the support from the likes of you-an Islamist terror apologist- proves how evil this plan is B/thw does the int.law that you selectivley quote also apply to you as an occuppier of aboriginal land?Why are you still illegally squatting there

OBVISIOUSLY this was NOT a legal purchase OR there wouldnt be a legal dispute. Otherwise the israel government would NOT be trying to evict the "settlers"

You have to read the testimonies from the 64 soldiers served in Hebron: http://www.shovrimshtika.org/public/hevron-englishforweb.pdf http://www.shovrimshtika.org/video_e.asp Some even say the Palestinians need protection from the settlers and not the other way round. Settler's let their kid spit and throw stones at an old man carrying groceries and if they idf try to stop the kids, the parents call the idf a leftest...great values... Get them out of there!

"In fact, the occupying army does have the authority to remove whomever it deems necessary from occupied territory, both nationals and occupied people, so long as it is not based on collective punishment, religion, etc." Rubbish. Article 49, 4th Geneva Convention. Forcible transfer of protected persons is forbidden. "Occupied territory, however, must be occupied FROM someone." Rubbish. Article 2, 4th Geneva Convention. The land under belligerent occupation does not need to be the sovereign land of the belligerent you took it from. "Read some newspapers (in addition to Al Ahram), then post some relevant talkbacks." Nitwit. Go and read the damn Convention, and the associated commentaries. http://www.icrc.org if you are too lazy to find out where it's kept. "Question: Could they stay if they all converted to Islam? Rubbish?" Rubbish indeed. If an ARAB ISRAELI tried this trick Peretz would also deny them permission.

Peretz will soon be cleared out from Israel governement.

otherwise more Jews will die by the time he leaves office.

Hey Johnboy, You make good use of selective facts, as any good propagandist should, to make your specious points. True. The Geneva Conventions require occupiers to administer occupied territory according to certain rules. In fact, the occupying army does have the authority to remove whomever it deems necessary from occupied territory, both nationals and occupied people, so long as it is not based on collective punishment, religion, etc. Occupied territory, however, must be occupied FROM someone. Hebron, was conquered from Jordan in 1967, who since renounced claims to the land. So, although Israel administers this territory, it is not occupied land as defined by the GC. Yes, of course you will bring up UN 242 next. Learn some history. Read some newspapers (in addition to Al Ahram), then post some relevant talkbacks. BTW, I think you mean that Jews are being removed because of their religious beliefs, not nationality. Question: Could they stay if they all converted to Islam? Rubbish?

this property was paid for legally.it is now jewish land.there is no law that says we must vacate.keep buying and hopefully hebron will be jewish sgain. i urge the jews in hebron to behave well to their neighbours.that is what judaism is all about.

Like the Phoenix, Communism shall rise from the ashes, and it shall spread forth its massive wings to cover the entire Middle East.

There was an excellent Haaretz article only recently that demonstrated that this property was more than a house. 30 settler families had moved in. It represents the cancerous Settler Movement challenging the State of Israel to a fight over who runs things in that hell-hole. The very tight rules over property ownership are there for a reason. Hebron is Palestinian and any moves to settle there are deeply provocative and likely to cause major trouble. We'll see who runs Israel. My money is on the cancer rather than the so-called "democracy".

No sense of history, can refuse a lawfully bought land in sacred hebron, but lets unauthorized arab building flourish. He is power hungry without any scruples or duty....worst off he's an idiot that as minister of defense has brought us to the edge of war, lowered our deterrence and has witnessedthe rearming of hezbullah.

Gili: "This is just plain racist! If the guy purchasing the house legally then he should be allowed to live there and no one has the right (the government included) to kick him out unless he actually does something illegal or violent which he has not." Article 49, 4th Geneva Convention makes it clear that you must not colonize occupied territory. Israel is, of course, ignoring that obligation under International Law. But that still does not get around the fact that the Occupying Power is the IDF, which means an Israeli national can do NOTHING in the West Bank without the permission of the IDF. Does the IDF have the power to kick ANY of its nationals out of Occupied Territory? Oh, yes. Absolutely. It has the OBLIGATION to kick them ALL out, but it is just waaaay too useful for Israel to set up those honkin' big Facts On The Ground. But you are talking rubbish - it has nothing to do with RACE, and everything to do with NATIONALITY

Why, Efox, any Israeli citizen who wants to settle in occupied territory, that's who. The West Bank and the Gaza Strip are occupied territory. Territory under belligerent occupation comes under the legal jurisdiction of the army of occupation - the Occupying Power - and that is the IDF, not the government of Israel. That's what International Law says, Efox, so if you want to do anything in occupied territory then you need the say-so of the IDF. Which means permission from Peretz. It's not Israeli land, and it isn't under Israel's sovereignty. It is occupied. By the IDF. Which is under the control of Peretz.

This he does after returning "victorious" from the battlefields of Lebanon.

Quote " Peretz, all decent-minded folk in Israel wish you success in this much too long delayed enterprise for the rule of law and justice by Israel." , , , If Peretz is known as anti settlement , do you think he would have asked nothing in return for a permit even if the Hebron house is legally and properly bought , , If i don't want Peretz to evacuate Israelis from Hebron house , does it mean to you that i may not be an Israeli decent-minded folk , would you then see me as a law offender , Say Esther , are Israel ciizenry of Judea and Samaria , Hebron included the same as Hezbollah, Say Esther , are pals the same as Israel citizenry of Sderot , Ashkelon , Say Esther , if you had to choose between Israel ciizenry of Judea and Samaria and Islam followers pals , who would you choose regardless of peace or with regard to land for terror , Say Esther , if you had to choose between Israel ciizenry of Judea and Samaria and Islam followers of Syria or Iran or Saudia or UEA , Jordan , Egypt , who would you choose, with regard to peace and/or land for terror

This is just plain racist! If the guy purchasing the house legally then he should be allowed to live there and no one has the right (the government included) to kick him out unless he actually does something illegal or violent which he has not.

While declaring "war" on it's own Jewish citizens in Hebron, the Israeli government is nrgotiating the release of hundreds of the worst possible enemies.

Let all these nutsos on both sides figure out whose god is the toughest, and leave all the normal people out of it.

What the heck dose "without the permission" mean? If they legaly bought the house then they should be allowed to say unless the Israeli goverment forcably buys it from them. If they do not own the property say so and throw them out for trespassing. this without the permission garbage is political BS.

Is it not time to evacuate the ones who are destroying the country? Send them to visit the virgins with the arab terrorists!In no free counrty is a person kicked out of his own legally purchased house, only in Israel if the person is a jew.

"claiming" - wrong , rather write "legally purchased". Peretz and the other anti semites gave up on that already, of course this journalist doesn't want his readers to know that. Now, Peretz and friends say that even legal purchases do not allow jews to inhabit their homes without their approval. Don't these bolsheviks know communism crumbled, as they will too.

Peretz, all decent-minded folk in Israel wish you success in this much too long delayed enterprise for the rule of law and justice by Israel.

Sharon had a brain once, losing it was not a pretty sight. Peretz is different. How do you hurt someone without a brain, spine, guts or a heart?

Nobody, that's who.

What audacity those Jews have! They think that just because they own property, they have the right to live there?!?!?! Did the Czar let them live where they wanted? Did Hitler let them live where they wanted? Did the Pope let them live where they wanted? Did the Jim Crow laws let them live where they wanted? Did the Cossacks let them live where they wanted? Did the Soviets let them live where they wanted? Does Hizballah let them live where they want? Do Jordan and Saudi Arabia let them live where they want? Do the Taliban let them live where they want? Does Hamas let them live where they want? Did the British Mandate authority let them live where they wanted? Why should the Israeli government be any different???? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for the Death of many Israeli Soldiers and Civilians during the last War with Lebanon. To be honest, your plans for Hebron can't hurt your Reputation; You are already the worst Defense Minister in the History of the jewish State.

It is time the Right Wingers challenge the dictatorial ruling of the Leftists. When left to their whims, they could jeopardize Israel's national security interests.

Get rid of him too.

This newspaper published a column arguing that much of the ridicule of Peretz was due to his Mizrachi background. This newspaper is also famous for barely using any photographs in its articles (something which I think should be changed). So then why have I seen so many articles recently about Peretz that use that same ridiculous photo from his campaigning? I don't like Peretz as a Defense Minister (or as a politician), but it sure looks like Haaretz is guilty of mocking him by using that same doofy photo over and over again. I'm not saying don't use photos. If anything, this website needs more photos. But stop using that same photo, as it really looks like you're unfairly ridiculing him.

Peretz's blackmail's order to extort from Olmert Finance portfolio , Peretz will most likely get both , the house evacuation and the portfolio , Such has become the norm when you've Olmert kissing his biweekly Jdate jihadist , this politic disgrace, is what happens when you choose to bend to Pharaoh's Road Map sweetened poisons leading to 2005 Gush Katif blunder evacuation , thus its only PR when you express disapointement to Hamas list of extortion exchange , Such is the fate of a Visacrad escort chaser(Israel)who fornicates with Kings (flattering states)and opportunist merchants (as reported by jewish prophet Daniel),

Where is Peretz's plan for liquidating the enemies of Israel, or is he just hope that they will give up their quest to murder Jews. I see no effort on Peretz's part to fulfill his obligations as minister of defense. Evicting jews from Israel seems to be his expertise and priority. There is time enought to deal with these matters when the enemy is destroyed, surrendered unconditionally and disarmed by Israel, not the UN.

I myself was in Hebron last week. It is completely clear that that land was bought legally. The settlers in Hebron have two wars to fight. One against Arab terrorists and the other against the Israeli governemnt. I feel that this point,. and the point of the structures legality should be expanded on, because it seems as though this article is giving the government support for thei decision.

ABSOLUTE DISGRACE No other words can discribe the order by this cowardly defence minister.During the lebenon war this same cowardly peretz was to scared to give any genuine orders ,now he wants to show the world the army must follow his sick orders.peretz has never turned a clod of soil,neither gaurded a property yet is prepared to give up Israel to arabs to further his political rantings.To cover himself hides behind the attorney general who is not a judge and says that the eviction is legal.WHAT WILL THIS CLOWN DO WHEN THE PIONEERS SHOOT AND KILL A SOLDIER WHILE PROTECTING THIER FAMILY,PROPERTY AND LIVES AGAINST EVICTION .Get this idiot peretz out of the defence ministry which he uses as a personal fifdom.Send this ignoramous back to sdom.

threw Jewish People out of their homes. And to all the rest who under investigation and charges.