"Problem for them and you is they lost." Not a problem for me personally. Of course Israel has a right to defend itself against that kind of aggression. But for the last 25 years at least Israel has not been defending itself against that kind of aggression. On the contrary it is Israel who is overtaking the role of aggressor, and greedily using its might to gobble up as much land as possible so that when the parties do finally reach the negotiating table it will be able to pull out a map and and say "Well look, there's nothing to be done these are irreversible facts on the ground." What's a problem for me is that I actually would like to extend my support to Israel, but am finding it more and more impossible. The "Pals" as you call them are not a new people - as an indigenous people many of them have descended from people inhabiting the area for many hundreds of years more than most Israeli's ascendants. They may be new in the sense of their consciousness as a national entity -