Look what using force to impose our will on a foreign and stateless population - in the guise of building a Jewish state - has brought upon us. Have the courage to face it: The elected leader of a people - which in the past, our leaders were saying it does not exist - is nowadays received in great pomp in the Oval Office. And an Israeli Defense Minister has been made to publicly confess that our policy of settling the Gaza Strip has been a historic mistake. A disastrous one, if one judges by the result: An islamist enclave on our border with Egypt - that we now cannot live with, nor defeat. Now, with regard to "the Palestinians". In the context you are putting them, the term "the Palestinians" has no sense at all - split as these are now into two opposing camps, approximately equal in numbers, and unable to reconciliate. A situation our leaders have been working hard to achieve, until they finally succeeded, in summer 2005. "I referred only about the palestinians using force that can only give them nothing ... ", you said. Well, look closer. The elected leader of a people - which in the past, our leaders were saying it does not exist - is nowadays received in great pomp in the Oval Office. And before that, this is what our leaders had to hear from a US Secretary of State: "The Palestinians deserve to live under better conditions than they are subjected to, and be free of the humiliation of occupation, in a state of their own." Ms. C. Rice, on October 2006, during one of her visits here. www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/773549.html Is it that what you are calling "nothing"? Think again. Ps. A reply to you has, at long last, made its way to the "Abbas is a dead man" talkback. See #19, in www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1121555.html#resp