Ray, you said that "We need this discussion nothing is out of bounds." You also used the term "debate." My experience with you in the past has been that you cannot debate issues without resorting to labeling people fanatics, radicals, terrorists, etc., if they do not conform with your particular viewpoint and what you find "realistic," which is somewhat similar to what Israel finds realistic. If you truly wish to debate issues, then name-calling will not give you any credibility, as well as taking positions that are inconsistent. In other words, as an example, if one takes a stand on racism, then the same position should be applied to all people regardless of who they are or where they are.
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