to get a settlement. They will never, but never accept the principle of jewish self determination, namely a jewish state no matter how big or small it is. The meaning of being moderate in Hammas terms, is someone that is ready to grant a Huddna for 10 years in exchange for full Israel withdrawall. Absolutely mads these guys. Fatah is ready to recognize Israel without recognizing the legitimate jewish right to self determination. Fatah will never give up the prinicple of Hakk el Ahuida ( the right of return of palestinian refugees intto Israel) They can compromise about numbers nor principles. In short they want a political settlement that would let the ground open for a "democratic" or a non democratic" extintion of the state of Israel. Israel should not let them prevail. The issue is very simply. Is a state important for the palestinians.??? Then the trade off is recognition of the jewish state, refugees to Palestine, and borders it is fine that the frame of the debate should be 67 with swaps. A good deal would be that te "triangle" would be included within the palestinian state. The PALESTINIANS ARE SO ENCLOSED IN THEIR IDEIOLOGICAL PARAMETERS, THAT THEY WILL NEVER ACHIEVE STATEHOOD. This is the opposite pole of pragmatism. It is better for both sides. The area could be dfined as "zona franca" free tax, so Israel arabs which will be part of Palestine would not ne harmed by their changing of citizenship.
Police disperse hundreds in brawl in Kafr Manda, northern Israel (Haaretz)
from the article: Palestinian leadership divided over plan to seek UN recognition