never mind, guy, & sorry, if i was a little bit pedantic about the categories. i think these terms are still valid & descriptive as to distinguishing between the different streams. but i agree, when the ideas are crazy & extreme it doesn't matter which group they came from. i have a good friend who's modern orthodox, an american-israeli living in israel for decades & who's also an anthropologist at bar-illan. he tells me about how the rabbis tend to invent things & about how his dad used to turn off his hearing aid when a rabbi started to speak.. i think the state of israel needs to come to the point where a clean break is made w/the rabbinate, putting an end to the stranglehold it keeps having on the state. a secular constitution could do that, making a plurality possible in the religious realm as well as true equality between all israeli citizens. there's a lot that needs an ovewrhaul, incl. immigration policy etc, & this wouldn't at all have to negate the state being jewish.
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