I have not been able to partake in this discussion... busy. I am reading your very good posts though. You all seem to come out in the right place and so you do not need me either. Reading Eldar, it occurred to me that that things have moved forward quite a bit on a certain level since Rabin even though the situation is still unresolved and in some ways worse than it was. I know this is contradictory but I think it is true. Mark I want to thank you for that quote from Ben Gurion also for us here in the USA: "The State of Israel will prove itself not by material wealth, not by military might or technical achievement, but by its moral character and human values."
Roadside bomb kills five border officers in western Iraq (AP)
from the article: On the same page, ten years on