Peres sparks U.K. backlash after labeling England anti-Semitic
'There is in England a saying that an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is necessary,' president tells Jewish magazine The Tablet.
By Haaretz Service Tags: Israel news Shimon Peres Jewish World anti-SemitismPresident Shimon Peres provoked a media backlash in the United Kingdom on Sunday after giving an interview to a Jewish magazine in which he appeared to label the British as anti-Semitic.
"There is in England a saying that an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is necessary," Peres said.
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Quartet Middle East envoy Tony Blair, left, and President Shimon Peres during a conference in Tel Aviv in 2008. |
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Peres' comments, made on July 26, were buried deep in a lengthy interview with historian Benny Morris for Tablet magazine. But they were eventually picked up by the U.K.'s Daily Telegraph, which reported that the president had angered both Jews and non-Jews in the U.K.
According to the Telegraph, the comments sparked outrage. "Mr Peres has got this wrong," James Clappison, a Conservative MP for Hertsmere and vice-chairman of Conservative Friends of Israel, was quoted as saying.
In the interview, Peres apparently accused British parliamentarians of pandering to the country's Muslim voters.
"Our next big problem is England," Peres said. "There are several million Muslim voters. And for many members of parliament, that’s the difference between getting elected and not getting elected. And in England there has always been something deeply pro-Arab, of course, not among all Englishmen, and anti-Israeli, in the establishment."
Britain had a history of anti-Israeli policy, Peres said.
"They abstained in the [pro-Zionist] 1947 U.N. Partition Resolution, despite [issuing the pro-Zionist] Balfour Declaration [in 1917]. They maintained an arms embargo against us [in the 1950s]; they had a defense treaty with Jordan; they always worked against us."
He added: "[T]hey think the Palestinians are the underdog. In their eyes the Arabs are the underdog. Even though this is irrational. Take the Gaza Strip. We unilaterally evacuated the Gaza. We evacuated 8,000 settlers and it was very difficult…Why did they fire rockets at us, for years they fired rockets at us. Why?"
The U.K. had stood by as Israel had faced violence from Hamas Peres said.
"For eight years they fired and we refrained from retaliating. When they fired at us, the British didn’t say a word."
In making his feeling on Britain known, Peres was widely seen as responding to remarks made last week by U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron, who during a trip to Turkey accused Israel of turning Gaza into a "prison camp".
Cameron's choice of words caused particular irritation in Israel as his speech lacked the 'balancing remarks' considered normal in diplomatic etiquette, omitting any mention of terror attacks against Israel or the continuing imprisonment of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier captured by Hamas four years ago.
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I can't believe you lot are complaining about anti-semitism. Can you imagine if people talked about Jews the way you lot talk about Britons? To Haaretz, please publish this, since you think it's OK to publish so much anti-British hate. And message to Peres - there is no such saying in this country. Not that I've ever heard. I'd like to see you produce some evidence of it.
Let Peres relinquish the trade agreement between Israel and the European Union if one if its main Member states is "antisemitic". Of course, it means the Israeli economy will drown foerever, but who cares? If he accuses the UK of being antisemitic, he must face the consequences.
Perfidious?opportunist?thats another story
Everything Peres said was right on the mark. Of course there are many exceptions, but by and large, England is both anti-Israel and anti-semitic. Peres, who is normally reserved in his comments, is prone to speak the truth more in his latter years rather than remain silent. I like it! Imagine, the people who proudly boasted that the sun never set on the British empire would not even support the Jews having one tiny country. F' em.
Cameron's criticism of the seige in Gaza ruffled his zionist feathers and so, how dare he!! There will be a price to pay and that is the UK shall be maligned. Antisemitism is trotted out yet again. How dare any people have any sympathy for the Palestinians when it is only Jews who hold the supreme victim card!
Israel land down in order to reward Arab clans for their help in defeating the Ottomans. There was supposed to be one Arab nation no Jordan etc. Cameron is rewarding the Islamic party in control of Turkey against democracies in stead of demanding Turkey to stop supporting terrorist org and Iran. England has always been Anti semetic helping the nazi Mufti Husseni to continue Hitlers work. the British are colonizers making trouble in the Falklands and reneging on promises to Israel. Shame on them and that is why the sun will always set and remain set over the British Empire. Turkey is occupying Cyprus, killing kurds, genoiciding Amenians and supporting terrorism and Iran, Israel and Hamas are not the same. Shame on british they will soon be under Sharia and western culture will be dead!
That is who rules Britain part and parcel and why England are Arabist is that is controlled by Oil companies like the US is. That is why we have a double standard towards Arabs, it is because they occupy the world's oil reserves.
I have experienced Antisemitism directly in England and from certain English people. On the other hand many Jews live in England and prosper there, so let us not forget like anywhere there are good English and bad English.
Starting with Balfour Declaration 1917 when the Brits ignored the existance of the Palestinians and decided to give Palestine as agift for the Jews of the world following with the immigration of hundreds of thousands of European Jews under the eyes and protection of the British Mandate, then training jews to be the better fighters with more modern equipments and then the withdrawal of the Brits leaving all the military equipments and the military compounds to the Jews so that they could sweep the Palestinian cities and villages easily. All of that and the Brits are anti jewish????? Without the assistance and cooperation of the Brits there would have never been anything called Israel.
I think Peres' comments are very accurate. 'Israel' is used as a cover for anti-semitism. The left wing are the new anti-semites. One only has to look at the double standards to see the sinister reasons for derision against Israel in the UK. The BBC is the main culprit. Anti-Israel to the core.
Peres has lost the plot. Anti Semitism has now become a catch all charge to level at anyone who opposes Israel's policies. He mentions Israel unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza. He should recommend unilaterally withdrawing from the West Bank and the Golan too. Perhaps then we could begin to talk about resolving this conflict.
or is it inbred. You just finished stealing passport identites of british citizens and you come up with this crap. You Peres who fought shoulder to shoulder with the other terrorists who shot or hanged or bombed British soldiers along with Arab Citizens in the maket places you threw your bombs into from speeding cars. Get real Peres--you are at best disengenuous. Hypocracy fits the bill far more appropriately. Oh incidentally--theer are 20%Muslims in Israel---when is Israel going to become Israelistan. By the average zionist logic, that should have happened a long time ago.
Pathetic tit-for-tat politicing, Peres should be embarassed. As an Englishman, a friend of Israel, an academic of Middle East politics, I am disgusted by this ridiculous asertion. Find me one man who recognises this 'English saying' and I will find you a million who have never heard it in thier lives. Recognising that the systematic and institutionalised oppression and occupation of an entire nation of people is not ant-semetic, unless recognising the wrongs of apartied South Africa makes one racist against whites. Wake up from your self imposed false reality Israel; the entire world understands the wrongs committed by corrupt political elites in your names. If you do not change the current course of events Israel can only have a very dark future indeed, if one at all. I say this as someone with family and friends there, in the land that I love and lived in for many years.
What Peres has said is factual and truthful, and the Brits hate the truth!!
The quotes I read from Peres were facts. Although I thought Tony Blair was very supportive of Israel. The Brits were in the Arab world as colonialists for what, at least 100 years prior to Israel rebirth. The term Arabist refers to Spanish, Brits or the French etc., who were very pro-Arab. Cambridge University started a program in 1632. So to deny that Brits made positive...for them...ties to the Arab world seems silly. I think that Peres is right, while of course people will say the term is overused, or only used as attack tactic for those who criticize Israel, I would say they're wrong. While that has happened, for the most part it's easy to see in the postings. Mostly though omissions...just telling one side of the story, the Arab side, with no references to the Israeli side. We call that bias, and it is a common tactic used against Israel. I think not telling both sides is antisemitic.
The problem with the comment is that, as with all such comments, there is both a measure of truth in it and a measure of exaggeration in the problem. The "chattering classes" in the UK do have a view of Israel and Jews which is sometimes odd and very occasionally anti semitic. The recent resolution of the Methodist Church in UK was certainly the latter and caused the Board of Deputies of British Jews to break off inter faith dialogue. However it would be wrong to suggest that all members of the Methodist Church are anti semitic. I think that Shimon Peres has done the usual politician's trick of being generalised in his comments. He would have been better to comment on specifics if he wanted to make a valid point. Although I agree that there are some elements in UK society which are anti Israel (and it is true that this has become associated with anti semitism) I have to say that Israel still commands a phenomenal degree of support and friendship from the UK...and long may it continue.
Yeah, i have to agree, we are a scuffy lot, down right snotty, but you know what, the English are the best of the best in any place, any where in the world, the same way the Israelis feel about themselves.
Britain also maintained an arms embargo against Transjordan in 1948 -- which was a good thing, as the Arab Legion was far and away the most serious threat the nascent state of Israel faced. In fact, Britain both midwived Israel's creation and helped assure her survival. She might not have been your big friend, but she definitely wasn't your enemy. If she is now, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
This is the classic Riddle of the Sphinx. The answer is a human. At the beginning of life (the morning) he crawls as a baby on all fours. During the middle of his life he walks on two legs (noon) and at the end of his life (the night) he walks with a cane (three legs). Peres' mind seems now to be in need of a cane. The British issued the Balfour Declaration and during the Mandate years (until 1939) have nurtured and protected the Yishuv until it was capable of running an independent state. With all this, Peres returns to his paranoid roots and understands the following British behavior as motivated by pro-Arabism, rather than by pro-British. When did Peres do anything for anybody other than Peres? The man is known to be the most selfish politician in Israeli history, but he can't understand selfishness...
Long live Shimon !
Well there goes my last ounce of respect for Peres, and indeed my last ounce of respect for Bibi's government. The man's an idiot. You can't label an entire nation racist, unelss you are a racist yourself. Does Peres know anything about Britain? Does he know that Jews are represented at all levels in all walks of life? Did he meet our last Foreign Minister who happend to be Jewish, for instance? Does he remember that Blair did not condemn the Lebanon 2 war while the rest of the world was demanding Israel stop? And what's the point of idiotically insulting another lot of allies? It's stupid, pathetic and dishonest.
The label anti-semite is thrown around so much these days by Israelis trying to defend the indefensible and to attack those who don't agree with its policies and actions, that the insult has lost the power to shock or have any meaning. As our prime minister Cameron is simply looking out for our interests as he should. And it is quite right he takes account of my fellow Moslem compatriots views as well as my own family's preferences One day America might also get a leader who looks out for their interests and who owes nothing to the Zionist lobby
calling someone a racist. It is done so often - in so many discussions about almost anything - that it doesn't have the impact it once had
...than the average Israeli (as well as the orthodox diaspora in the UK). They typically despise both Arab and Muslim. Even before this became ingrained, Eastern Jews were despised by Ashkenazis in Israel and vice verse. Racism is part and parcel of Zionism and it will find a way of expressing itself come what may and this is hardly surprising since its roots go back a long way, maybe all the way back to Ezra 'the scribe', himself.
Cameron is obviously a greenhorn of the worst kind. God help Great Brittain with such an amateur
So this year I have learned that birds fly, rivers flow, deserts have sand and, most importantly, many English are anti-Semitic.
England is anti Semitic and it was about time someone in the Israeli government spoke out and said it.
The two front runners for leader of the opposition are Jews. And the Queens daughter no less is married to someone who's family has Jewish routes. Yeh Peres the Brits are really anti-Semites.
that Mr Peres lost it... Time for the man to retire, or to be forced to retire. He gives a bad name to the left. I live in the UK, there're antisemitic elements in it, as there are in any other country of the world, but to label the whole country antisemitic is simply stupid. Here again we have Israeli politicians calling names to any body who does not entirely agree with them. How can peace be made with that kind of mind set-up?
too much anti-semitic filth comes out of england for one to not see that it is an anit-jewish country.
hurling the insult 'anti-semite' no longer has the power to shock. It has become so over-used by Israelis trying to defend the indefensible that we just don't care how many times it's yelled at us. Cameron is looking out for Britain's interests as he should do and if that doesn't suit Jerusalem, then hard luck. Even those nice Americans are beginning to question whether or not Israel is an asset. General Patreus among them.
I BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE, ALSO THE U.S.A. HAVE THE VERY SIMILAR HISTORY OF ANTI SEMITISM
First of all, there are not that many Muslims in Scotland, but Galloway thought Israel is a racist, oppressive state. So many Jews in America say Israel is engaging in bigotry against the Arabs under its boot. When Peres does something about the overt racist policies of the Israeli military against human beings called Palestinians, then he can talk about anti-Semitism. As we say in English, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Jews do not get their homes demolished, denied permits by England like Israel does to even Arab-Israelis. Israel is such a big joke and so is Perez. They cry racism when they are the biggest racists out there, Mr. Peres and Barak and ADL.
the brits also have (non-islam-inspired, yeah right) laws that make arresting israeli diplomats and lawmakers easy as pie
that Peres increasingly plays these days is actually as blunt an expression of official Israeli policy as it gets. Don't be fooled by the old fool caricature - the despot still plays a role.
The Queen whose grandson wears a Swastika "for fun" is antisemitic. She has never visited Israel but has visited nearly every Arab country. She unlike other Royals did not attend the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.
Cameron defended Hezbollah during the Lebanese war bashing at Israel for using "disproportionate force." And again in Ankara the same yada yada yada. To him it is a crime for Jews to defend themselves.
At least we know the British Unions are antisemitic. The leaders in Europe urging Israeli boycotts.
British society in general, like most of Europe is antisemitic. I have lived here for 89 years. They will never admit it.
for finally telling it like it is..He usually apologizes and doves it.But now is no time for that..
The obsession of the Zionists with Jewish hatred is phenomenal. If there was none they would invent it. Hate crimes against non-Jews, particularly Muslims, by far outnumber those against Jews. Muslims must set up something like Zionism to market Anti-Islamism. Looking at Israel, and at the discrimination against the Sephardim, the Arabs and the other minorities, wouldn't time be better spent eliminating real hate, within Israel Society?
This dude obviously has a cognitive defect. Someone please put the old man in a mental institution. Seriously, this is paranoia at a completely new level.
it is difficult for british parliamentarils to fce the truth.
I have found that,unlike in the USA , the Jewish origins of any successful individual in the UK are referred to constantly. One is never accepted as fully equal member of British society.
Dear Haaretz, Too many readers on the talkback. How come? are thumbs down manipulated by the setlers? Get real if the english were anti semite then they would have NOT created the state of Israel, secondly there are hundreds of MP in the English politics are Jews. Mr Peres is having thesame ilness like R. Reagan dumbcimer.
I'm English, reasonably well-educated and 66 years old. I've never heard of Peres' saying about hating jews and could count the number of anti-semitic remarks I have ever heard on the fingers of one hand although, unfortunately, anti-black or anti-muslim comments are many times more common. What I do hear, ever more frequently from fellow countrymen, is strong criticism of the continuing disgraceful behaviour of Israeli governments towards the Palestinians. Peres has too often instigated or supported such behaviour.
Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aww diddums, did Cameron upset you? There there, go play with your rattle...
Oh wait they do...so is it antisemitism if the president of Israel says it?
Peres is right. Even a casual glance at the British media reveals aniti Israel stance. Israeli concerns are under reported while Arab concerns are played up; the BBC for example.
Can someone remind me how many times the Queen has visited Israel?
May be he forgot that Britain had created his country.
May be he forgot that Britain had created his country.
Why did they shoot rockets mr. peres, well frankly, because they could not stand living with no rights, having their entire lives trampled in order to safeguard the Jews. That's why Mr. Peres. When you treat one human different than another human for reasons that are beyond your control (race/religion), then you reap what you sow Mr. peres, you reap what you sow.
I think it is worth mentioning because anti-semitism is currently growing at an alarming rate in UK. This is a challenge for UK Politicians and people to nip this growing monster of anti-Israel in the streets of London to Ireland.
Could the Israeli posters here please tell me their definition of anti-semitic? Could these same posters list all countries other than the US that they do not consider to be anti-semitic, arab loving, terrorist supporting or anti-Israel?
Written by a Palestinian http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=183252
This is the classic Riddle of the Sphinx. The answer is a human. At the beginning of life (the morning) he crawls as a baby on all fours. During the middle of his life he walks on two legs (noon) and at the end of his life (the night) he walks with a cane (three legs). Peres' mind seems now to be in need of a cane. The British issued the Balfour Declaration and during the Mandate years (until 1939) have nurtured and protected the Yishuv until it was capable of running an independent state. With all this, Peres returns to his paranoid roots and understands the following British behavior as motivated by pro-Arabism, rather than by pro-British. When did Peres do anything for anybody other than Peres? The man is known to be the most selfish politician in Israeli history, but he can't understand selfishness.
And it doesn't mean it's making love....
Otherwise you are subservient. That is why the United states is not anti-Semitic. Because the white house, the congress, the military and even the churches take Israel’s interests above America's.
Growing up in the poverty that was the Gorbals in Glasgow, I have to say I never once encountered Antisemitism. People get confused between Racism and good humored bantering. Of course my Father did get kicked as he walked down the road to Shul with the Rabbi whose hat was knocked off his head while a barrage of expletives, including, "Jewish Bastards "was uttered by the local hoods. I got told on many occasions as a child that I'd "killed Christ". Jewish Grave stones were regularly strewn with Nazi Swaztikas. The kids at school were quick to call anyone a Jew who didn't readily part with their money. I was referred to as, "Your kind", on three occasions. "Jew boy" was commonly used as a term of affection and "Go back to your country" was spouted with great regularity. All these instances happened as we endeared ourselves to the white working class Protestant and Catholic population. The middle class was much more discreet.
We should bring back Edward I! Jews wouldn`t call him! Go back to your blood libels!
...does not make one "civilized" as the British would like to think of themselves. Many if not most are dishonest with a wide smile and after a while even we, Jews (idiots, stupid, less-than-civilized by British standards) understand who is and who is not an anti-Jewish racist. Sadly, the more we look in the direction of the British Isles the more such racism appears: In the left, right and center. Among Christians and Muslims alike. In and out of government. In and out of academe. In and out of journalism. Peres, being a Jew, simply said it the way it is, but since he was not smiling while uttering his words the Brits don't know how to deal with his honesty about the subject.
The previous leader of the UK Conservative party was Michael Howard, a Jew. There were five Jewish ministers in the Labour government - Peter Mandelson (Business Secretary), Jack Straw (Justice Minister), David Milliband (Foreign Secretary and heir apparent), Ed Milliband (Minister for the Environment) and Margaret Hodge (ex Minister for Children and ex Minister for Culture, Media and Sport). David Milliband will probably be the next Labour leader and therefore probably the next PM. There are several Jewish MPs in the Liberal Democrats - quite an accomplishment seeing it's a very small party in the first place. At least three ministers within the current UK government are Jewish including Oliver Letwin - pretty much the brains behind the current Tory government, along with the Speaker of the House, John Bercow, who, although a Conservative has a tecnically non-partisan role. Drive ten miles from here, not far from Sherwood Forest, you'll find a Holocaust Centre. Turn the TV on in any given weeks you'll see BBC productions of the Ann Frank Diaries, The Boy in Striped Pyjamas, and constant documentaries about the Holocuast, and rightly so. There are anti-Semites here, but there are also people who think Wayne Rooney is the new Pele. There's no accounting for either group, so don't tar us with the same brush.
Orwell wrote about englands anti-semitism. Its nothing new. Its just funny that they get so upset when you talk about it. Check out the essay "Antisemitism in Britain" by Orwell
we're lovin this .. someone finally told the arrogant british what the truth is. we are sick of their self rightwousness, dleusional idea of their improtance and false balance in the middle east. the british are pro muslim and they are reaping what they sowed. they are decaying welfare state and now they support 2 million arabs who couldn't care less about british tradtion , lifestyle or values. sow do the british do, they ben over backwards to accomodate them. the sun set a long time ago on the british empire, it si no setting on british society .. can't wait to see the royalfamilyy under sharia law.
oh well...people dont like to hear the truth. Too bad.
It is about time an Israeli leader started speaking truth about history. The ignorant left, and self hating lefty Jews who write in these columns need to do some homework. Who was John Glubb? Which Army trained and armed by who conquered, over ran, and expelled all the Jews from Jerusalem in 1947? Which country spent their own money to physically prevent wretched holocaust survivors from finding a home in Israel? Are the BBC, or British dailys any different than Al-Jazeera?
The fact that a cartoon of Sharon biting off the head of a Palestinian child was not considered anti semitic but actually won the best political cartoon price in the UK proves the deep underlying anti semitic trend in the UK. The fact that over and over again in UK university circles the academic boycot of Israel the only country in the world to be treated this way returns proves how deep routed and mainstraim anti semitism is in the UK. The fact that last week an Arab Israeli or as she calls herself a Palestinian was invited to Parliament to testify against Israel is proof of mainstream anti semitism!!! Do we need more examples? Peres you'r so right call it as it is anti semitism and yes in the UK they should fight it much more active!! Freedom of speech ends where anti semitism starts!!
Peres has a point; the British helped the Arab armies in 1948 with logistical support and training leading up to the start of the war. At the time it wasn’t known whether the British government sanctioned the move or whether it was the acts of individual commanders on the ground, but that’s how the Jordanian army was trained and armed. Now there are the actions of individual Brittan’s that certainly have and Arab bias; like C Ashton’s undying support for Palestinian Arabs and the drive to demonize Israel as a war criminal over Gaza. What was said in the British media after the Gaza operation didn’t reflect the thoughts of most Britt’s? The international media all denounced Israel; it was a feeding frenzy; lies and accusations became truths in the international media and in Britain as well. It looked as though the headlines were being written in Ramallah, Damascus, or Tehran.
Is this headline really correct? Did Peres actually say that the British are anti-semitic? Or did he say that Britain panders to their moslem population. That's what I got out of the article. Haaretz should be a little more careful with their headlines.
...when we see the rise of anti-Jewish racism directed at Jews everywhere and at the national home of the Jewish people, much of which is generated form Britain, it is difficult to say these are "love strokes". This is the ugly face of racism, anti-Jewish racism coming from right and left, from Christianity and Islam,... and some from among our own..., from Jews! This is the sad state of affairs in Britain and Shimon Peres simply called the child by its name.
For the first time in my life I have found something that Peres has said that I completely agree with. As an English ex-pat I can say with hand-on-heart that England is Anti-Israeli and anti -semetic. This is due to ignorance, stupidity, political correctness and whatever other modern reasons available. This situation has existed since the first Jew landed in the Briton of the Druids in Roman times until today. It is ingrained in their genes and floats just bellow the surface. I'm sure that if the Nazis had succeeded in invading Britain, the concentration camps there would have been run with the same enthusiasm and efficiency as those in Germany itself.
If Britain was Antisemitic would David Cameron have attacked Israel and Hamas on equal terms when he visited Turkey? Of course not.... hang on a minute. Oh I see he never mentioned Hamas. Forget what I said, Britain is Antisemitic, no Anti Jewish, no Anti Zionist..
Now you know that it is not true, that Jews achieve great things because they can in the UK, and where did you last hear the phrase 'an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is necessary' Interestingly Peres doesn't think we are so anti semitic that he feels the need to return his honorary knighthood. Although I will admit to Ron Prosor stating that Israel has lost the propaganda war in the UK, but that isn't anti semitism that is a reaction to Israel's actions in the occupied territories.
British are anti -semetic. Israel was supposed to have inluded Israel, WB, gaza, golan heights and Jlem and the British reneged carving up the one Arab nation into clan led dictatorships, Jordan, syria, Lebanon, And allowing a Palestinian Arab to be created when none existed before Israel. There never was a Pal Arab nation or culture. the nazi mufti of Jlem, Husseni was a title bestowed by the British. the British empire fell because British always did the wrong thing in the falklands, the ME after the defeat of the Ottomans. turkey is occupying cyprus killing Kurds and Armenians and helping Iran build a nuclear bomb. The British PM is incompetent
The Arabs and Muslims is general adapt very easy with all environments dough they come from the hot desert they show no signs of erosion due to the European cold weather and surprisingly you can see them living even in the Nordic countries as well. They also adapt very easy to the European comfort of a culture that invested quite much in the sex industry without producing many children (funny sex is for reproducing –Muslims know what the Europeans seems to forgotten) so they are the major benefiters from the European low that encourages birth growth. In 20 years from now the face of Europe will change to be very similar to turkey beard man associated by their covered wife’s-who said there will be no advantages as well.
Thank the BBC and especially the Guardian.
I am a Jew and I live in the UK. Quite simply anti-semitism in this country is not mearly rife, it's politically acceptable in the way that no other form of racism is.
Mr. Peres hit the point. He again demonstrated his sharpness as analyst. Britain was (and is) generally giuded by the evaluation of power balance and political calculations , and much less by long-term and values criteria. That's why they built on Arabs in late 40s/50s, gave citizenship to million of Pakistanians in 60s, were close to break from NATO deterrence policy in 70s. Ther were deviations from that policy, but unfortunately not in relation to Israel. And now nothing new: Mr. Cameron makes lip service towards Turks (who apparently blackmail West with their withdrawal from Afganistan). The same is for MPs struggling for non-British electorat (i.e. for those who don't meet "cricket test"). I foresee that this tactics won't be fruitful: the target audience (Turks, British Muslims etc.) will utilize British advances in order to make a damage to Britain at the moment they will eb able to do that...
I have a question which might come off as facetious. Can anyone criticize any Israel government and not me call anti-Semite? I am speaking generally now not so much in this particular incident but my questions still remains. Is any criticism at all against any Israel government anti-Semitism this is a real questions I am not trying to be cheeky or cute. I would love to hear the comments either way because I have yet to see any criticism of any Israeli government not immediately followed by calls of anti-Semitism.
And you know most of the time you won't get an answer! ha, funny hey. Us Europeans should not feel guilty for something our great great parents have committed or have not prevented. We should not feel guilty...
As it does more often than not, it is antisemitism in my book. Look at the UN resolutions as an example, all against Israel, and none against Palestinians. Or the UN human rights org.
They fired rockets at Israel for eight years and the British said not a word. Why?
It's not the criticism per se. It's the world's, and the world's media's, often very biased obsession and fixation on Israel and what it does or does not do, in vast disproportion to incomparable atrocities committed worldwide on a daily basis that get almost no mention at all. If this isn't anti-Semitism, you tell me what it is. In many cases, as demonstrated on the Haaretz talkbacks, it really isn't anti-Semitism. It's a similar disease, every bit as vile as anti-Semitism: anti-Israelism. We are dealing here with hoards of pathological Israel-haters, NOT fair criticisers, in whose eyes Israel can only do wrong and can never do right. I call those miscreants anti-Israelis, not anti-Semites, and they are just as bad, because they are driven by pure, blind, unwavering hatred. In many cases they are also anti-Semites, although not always. As Israelis, the fact that Israel is viewed by many as a threat to world peace on a par with North Korea (and even more than terrorism-harbouring Islamic regimes) is considered a sad joke that only goes to show that the world as a whole is biased and hypocritical where Israel is concerned, which in its turn earns our reluctance to listen. And yes, amidst all this, sometimes fair-minded people try to criticise Israel (for many good reasons) and are wrongly labeled anti-Semites. However, this does not render the general bigotry phenomenon a figment of our imagination.
And, judging from the vituperative, personal attacks on him on this blog, it appears the truth mightily hurts.
but how can over 60 million ppl all be anti-semtic. i wish it were true tho. :)
so how can you maintain that nothing he said was false?
That's really common these days. One can only wonder why Jews so readily use the term to label somebody upon brief acquaintence or no acquaintence at all. Anti-semites are people who annoy Jews or who disagree with Jews. There is absolutely no sting in the term. When criticizing Israels oppressive policies and actions, you are not sure you have made your point until you are called anti-semite at least three times.
That said, who cares if there is "sting in the term". Peres was just stating the obvious, as an aside remark. I think most Jews are suprised it is causing such a fuss.
Yes of course you are not an anti-semite. You just don't like Israel. Muslim religion is not anti jewish either and that doesnt explain why they have waged a war against the jews in the middle east from as early as the mid 1800s
In fact,6 million of us believed they would hear their doorbell ringing at 5 A.M.
Certainly you are. And if you bothered to read the story which u didn't you would of found out that he labelled them as anti-Israeli (much like you)
"Labelling people as "anti-semite[s]" provokes backlash", especially amongst anti-semites that don't have the courage of their convictions. In short, much of the population of Britain. At least the Islamic world is willing to lose people, though it hides behind the charade of the Zionist/Jewish distinction. We all know that Israel, aside from being the historic homeland of Jews, from which they were forcibly excluded, a land "occupied" (ironically) by "Pals", is, based on the historical record, absolutely essential for the security of the Jewish people.
it usually is.... Actually, the UK never claimed otherwise, the BBC continued this bias in one sided reports on the conflict, and anti israeli photo touches used in their reports. this is a know fact, why does the UK refrain from admitting their biased approach - i wonder.
I don't see any "labeling" here. Please show me the line where Peres calls Britain antisemitic. Which particular statement do you disagree?
The hate of jews is so blatant that the window dressing of criticising Israel does not contain the underlying hatred.
I'm surprised peres didnt go back as far as the expulsion of Jews from England under Richard the Lionhearted or the Massacre of York. In respnse to your question and that of others, in the opinion of any zionist, ie peres or the blowhard foxman, any PUBLIC criticism of Israel, any refusal to see any and all of Israel's punitive actions against an entire population as necesary for "security" is anti-semitism. The world must accept without question the propaganda of Israel as truth, if zionist motives such as the move to ethnically cleanse Silwan and Sheik Jarrah is attacked as any more than as property dispute, well, in all these cases then you are an anti-semite. You must let Israel set the bar and they alone given the right to respond as their propaganda dictates or else: "Anti-semitism"!! And if you are a EU country they will hold the guilt over the Holocaust over you head and use that to exploit it for all its worth. You must accept everythinhg Israel as good, for democracy, for the securty of the victims of Arab agression and if you don't you are complicit in the next Holocaust. That is their game and it is working.
nobody called Britain antisemitic
Peres is right, having myself seen the inside of the British Establishment, I can only concur. There is a line in the city of London, lets teach those jewish New York Boys ( AKA Goldman Sachs ) a lesson.
Or is the portrayal of bankers as Jews only anti-semitic when it's negative?
That's strange because I work in the city and I've never heard it. England has no more racists than Israel. In fact looking at this talkback I'd say it has less.
So what's the difference? If pandering to a particular section of the community in a bid to win support for public office is so bad, why doesn't Peres complain about what happens in US? Every prospective politician has to publically swear allegiance to Jews and Israel if they want to get anywhere! Talk about double standards!
The hypocracy is blazing! Israel labels everyone who disagrees with its policies as anit-semitic all the while pandering to the US public for its continuing, bliind support. (It has bought the US Congress lock, stock and barrel). Rising antiii-semitism is not caused by any innate hatred for Jews, rather it is caused by Israel's policies.
Well said!
in england, there is a violent muslim movement that openly preaches hate against england and western civilization and rants about taking over england and making it dar al-islam under shariah law. american jews don't do this, because american jews love america. there are muslim enclaves in british cities that no policeman dare go, because of the threat of violence. are cops afraid to go into crown heights? (no). the brits pander to their muslims out of fear. the americans side with jews out of love and respect.
Muslims are, after all about 2.8% of the population - much lower than in France or Germany, so Peres' claim comparing them unfavorably is blatant politics.
given that all that is proper nonsense, Israel was never shy to work together with the UK in the past when it suited them, i.e. Suez War, getting an Israeli nuclear bomb etc. etc. What makes Peres so self secure to think he can make more enemies in Europe and not feeling the repercussions some when down the line? One would think Israel needs every friend it can get at this time. the tactic to blackmail countries into silence or submission concerning Israeli crimes doesn't work anymore. the world has woken up. To just turn up the volume of the accusations doesn't make them any more true. The way perez works against Israel's interests makes me wonder whether he is a "self-hating jew"...
“The world has woken up” Juge or is it Judge..You all hibernate in the huge caves you’ve got when you’ll woke up it may be too late (invaded by millions of Muslims)...by the way hating the Jews, criticizing endlessly without taking one breath and a moment to thing that for tango you need 2 and its not reasonable to blame one side always. but this is exactly what anti-Semitism is. call it as you like you just don’t like Jews that much that’s the truth and no matter what happens any where in the world you’ll go to the conclusion the Jews or the Zionist probably have something to do with it even if its an earth quake or bad weather.
Perhaps England needs to worry about their own crimes- Afghanistan and Iraq, where 100x as many innocent civilians have died than in all the fighting between Israel and the Arabs- before acting all high and mighty.
Peres gives a factual account of Britain's anti Israel behaviour over many decades. The queen visits Arab countries that have horrific human rights records. But won,t visit israel. Britain has always been anti semitic in its culture which gave the blood libel to the world, its behaviour during the establishment of Israel and its glee during the intifada. Just ask the likes of Mrs Blair and her ilk. So what is it about Peres assertions that hysterical Brits do not like? The truth??
Let's by all means scrutinise the evidence, but if you do so don't do it selecively. For instance, the previous leader of the UK Conservative party was Michael Howard, a Jew. There were five Jewish ministers in the Labour government - Peter Mandelson (Business Secretary), Jack Straw (Justice Minister), David Milliband (Foreign Secretary and heir apparent), Ed Milliband (Minister for the Environment) and Margaret Hodge (ex Minister for Children and ex Minister for Culture, Media and Sport). At least three ministers within the current UK government are Jewish, along with the Speaker of the House Does that sound like an anti-Semitic country to you?
"The queen visits Arab countries that have horrific human rights records. But won,t visit israel. " Those countries the Queen visit were part of the British Empire, Israel is not. So, this comment is rubbish. "Britain has always been anti semitic in its culture which gave the blood libel to the world, its behaviour during the establishment of Israel and its glee during the intifada." Explain, please, this sentence makes no sense. The establishment of Israel? You mean, robbing the Palestinian land? "Just ask the likes of Mrs Blair and her ilk." Mrs Blair? What does she has to do with this?
England is a very philo-Semitic society, that is obvious, and surely Shimon Peres knows it. Where else in the world have Jews received such a high degree of acceptance at all levels of state and society? In the entire world only North America is more philo-Semitic. Mr. Peres is here exhibiting a classic symptom of totalitarian thinking: that anything less than 100% compliance with one's agenda or ideology is unacceptable, and even the tiniest divergence from it (i.e. the fact that a few English people occasionally say that Palestinians are human beings too) is seen as a mortal threat.
You provide not the slightest evidence to the contrary. Evidently the fact that this country produced the portraits of Shylock and Fagin mean nothing to you. Nor the fact that they expelled all their Jews for hundreds of years. All these things are displays of love.
Many countries have treated their Jews much, much better than the English. The English are prostitutes, willing to harvest the bounty of any peoples, including Jews, who are productive. But they are never accepted as equals or simply part of the polity of English-persons. In England they continue to be Jews, even today. Not that this attitude is restricted to Jews. England remains a snotty, socially stratified society that is backward and medieval in its social norms and societal structures. How can any rational country in today's world tolerate, let alone embrace and institutionalize, a Crown? That is a psychological manifestation of a sick, sick society. The people of Israel regard Pals as human beings but have stopped tolerating Pals trying to eliminate them and the state. Peres is 100% right. What exactly was the Pals response to withdrawal of Jews from Gaza? Was that another "inhumane" act? What kind of human beings shoot rockets, indiscriminately, into civilian populations? You skate around Peres's points with typical bland, and irrelevant, English worship and have the temerity to call Peres "Totalitarian" because he simply utters the obvious, that the English are not only hypocritical, not only guilty of a double standard, one for Jews that requires second testament behaviour and one for Pals that permits them to be ruthless, but in addition are insensible enough to deny that double standard.
As is the ever increasing power of Muslims in Britain.
Israel has 20% Muslim population---how come it aint Israelistan. You sure do cook up some weird theroes. Understandable though.
...only the fact that a Jew and a President of the nation-state of the Jewish people actually has pointed to it. Yes, we Jews have the same human rights as all others - despite the fact that some may think we are sub-humans - and that includes the right to say honestly and directly that which we view and experience: The UNHOLY TRINITY whose home is the UK, including classic anti-Semitism; "progressive" anti-Jewish racism; 7th century Islamism. It's time to clean house, Brits, instead of blaming the Jews again for the fact that your house is filthy.
hint-31 oct. 1917.allenby.3rd(having twice failed)battle of gaza.2 nov 1917 balfour declaration.december-jerusalem,thence completion.then herbert samuel..the rest is also history.
BBC News did not broadcast once on the tragedy in Romania - but should Israel have injured or killed other people - the British press would have plenty to say.
...that even their wheater report on ME never report on Tel Aviv. But they always report the wheater in Yemen, Sausi Arabia.... Tel Aviv, Haifa, jerusalem do not exists unless Israel digs a tunnel next to the Wailing Wall...!!!
Why would the british broadcasting Company report on a helicopter crash in Romania involving Israeli military personel died (very sad) when they were announcing the deaths of British servicemen in afghanistan? On a day when three british servicemen were returned to their relatives for burial? How does that make all Britons anto semitic. You might be interested to know that the British Broadcasting Company didn't report on the deaths of 6 Americans in Afghanistan either.
"BBC News did not broadcast once on the tragedy in Romania". Another one talking rubbish. The BBC does not broadcast every accident in the world. So, what makes the Romanian accident so special? Answer, nothing. Andm,by the way, what were the Israelis doing in Romania, anyway?
Of course the BBC commented at length on the tragedy of the Jews in Romania
Why would an accident involving one foreign country's airmen dying in another foreign country be broadcast on the BBC? And how is that anti-semitic?
I've NEVER heard the so-called saying that Peres claims exists. But no doubt it will be repeated ofen now and another 'Israeli truth' is born.
Just because you hate Israelis doesn't mean you're Anti semitic.
that so-called saying we are supposed to use in "England" (or does he mean Britain? Peres doesn't seem to distinguish... kinda like not distinguishing between Israel proper and the West Bank I suppose). Didn't hear many Israeli complaints when Britain helped attack Muslims with the illegal Iraq War. Maybe it's time Israel stooped claiming the whole world is wrong and start to wake up to its own killings and annexations it commits against Palestinians. Israeli whingeing sounds like the ruling whites did in South Africa just before the end of apartheid.
I have never met an Antisemite who admits to being an antisemite. Even Adolf Eichman denies it.
Me neither and I lived there for 30 years.
The surveys of opinions in Britain show them to be LESS anti-semitic than other European countries. Their "millions of muslims" account for 2.8% of the population - one of the lowest in Europe. Their MOST muslim areas also commonly have popular Jewish MPs - such as Jack Straw or Gerald Kaufman. Peres is just playing games.
designed to deflect criticism away from the current Israeli government by dragging up the past, and making blanket statements with absolutely no truth in them. You are right Peres who is so offended by Britain he has forgotten to return his honorary knighthood is just playing kindergarten politics.
Chris,,, You know where you can stick your knighthood.
He is not Jewish. In a speech given in 1995, he said: "I come from Jewish stock although I'm Christian now."
If you think the UK is anti-semitic then stop being a hypocrite and hand back your honorary knighthood
Knighthood?!!Was he one of the Richards round table cavalier..To be honest it seems reasonable ask him to return Excalibur back as well.
He just doesn’t want to make the situation worse. It is laughable if you think he cares about this nonsense
valid interdiction edict for Jews to live in the land? The oldest one of its kind in Europe. Wikipedia compares: While antisemitism was widespread in Europe, medieval England was particularly antisemitic. English history is particularly contradictory. Sometimes trying to identify themselves with the lost tribes of the Israelites. Most progressive English minds, like Cromwell or Blake, thought in this pattern. At the same time they contributed massively to the ideology of modern Aryan racism. Among others Houston Stewart Chamberlain main head of Proto-nazism besides the French Gobineau, the author of an Essay about the inequality of races. The more the British stood under fire, they identified themselves with the Israelites. The more imperial and oppressive they were, the more supremacist they got. The actual moment is a dire period in the identity of the Brits. Say it with the Genesis song: Selling England by the pound.
parts of Jewish Law being legally valid within the British legal system. Very anti semitic that
No part of Jewsih Law as such is part of or recognised by the British legal system. The closest is when Jewish courts are allowed to function as arbitrators when both parties agree
How many year ago did that eviction edict sunset?
Even if they are anti semitic incidents in the uk it is wrong to label England as an anti semetic country. Last week in the jewish chronicle there was a survey which showed that 71% of british jews are happy there and in the jewish telegraph this week it says that antisemitic incidents are down in the first 6 months of 2010 even if in June there was a rise in attacks againts jews due the flotilla incident You must also know that a report from the anti defamation league found that Britain is a less anti semetic country that others european countries I m not saying that it's not difficult because sometimes it must be but when you have a look on the Jc and the jewish telegraph you can see a jewish community well alive, involve in the community and also interfaith dialogue which is very good,many mps and lords One more thing you criticize Israel and not being racist against jews. It's difficult but dont overdo it
Almost nobody in the UK cares in the slightest if anyone is Jewish. They won't even know unless they're told - and they won't ask. Being Jewish or not is totally irrelevant here to the general population. There is sympathy for what happened during WW2 and that is about the total extent of most people's knowledge of Judaism. Far from being 'anti-semitic', this is a country in which anybody can marry anybody else - without a same-religion test. The kind of non-racist society that Israel should aspire to become. In fact it would shock the average Britain to learn about Israel's racist laws. Just as they are affronted by the murderous actions of the IDF in Gaza - when they hear about it. The people who get a bad press here are Muslims and Islam. And if you compare the strength of Friends of Israel in Parliament with the one supporting Palestinians - there is no comparison. Over 80% of the ruling Conservative party are members of Friends of Israel, including David Cameron. As ever the facts are the total opposite of the nonsense set out by the Zionists.
But "Zionist" , a term that can mean anything is not relevant. You need to understand the perception in Israel. There are some very nasty elements in the Media, Trade Unions and lefty University types in the UK who make a lot of noise in the public arena. They never present the background to a story. They are not the majority but they make a lot of noise. What is not appreciated or even accepted by these types, is that Israel is not surrounded by neighours such as Sweden and Switzerland, but by those who only have ill intent on Israel and that is putting it mildly. Israel's actions are governed by this latter fact.
What you say is only partially true but what you don't say is where the rub is. The indifference of English to Jews is a product of the latter existing in England in tiny numbers. Once, many, not all (as Peres noted in his interview), find out one is Jewish the wall goes up, if not worse. In any event, you too are skating around Peres's points. Answer him: what conclusion should one draw when rockets are fired at Israeli civilian population centres for years, without provocation and without a response, and Britain is silent, but belly aches when Israel tries to do something about the terror being sown in its cities???????????????
Nobody had to go to Hitler Germany to know that it was anti-Semitic. KBuck gives himself away when he writes of Israel's murderous actions in Gaza. To an anti-Semite defending oneself against unprovoked rocket attacks on civilians is "murderous".
In the UK we live in a society that is based on principles of free speech and the ability to question. That is why you have the balanced press coverage. I dare you to find me one anti-Israeli trade union; why on earth would trade unions be involved in foreign affairs? And those 'Lefty University Types' - of which I am proudly one - are called academians. They study these things. It is thier job. Does being left wing make a voice less valid that being right wing? Or does the fact that those voices disagree with yours make them problematic for you? You and Peres, are once again confusing public opinion being against Israel's aggressive policies with anti-semetism. A lonely and dangerous path.
...and automatically identify with the perceived underdog, never questioning whether the underdog is really in the right or not. The perception of Britain and the British by the average Israeli is as accurate as the perception of Israel and the Israelis by the average Briton. Ignorance goes both ways, as your post has just proved.
you cannot fairly comment
you cannot fairly comment
You have spoken the truth and nothing will hide the truth. The Brits are Jew haters and Arab Lovers. Nothing will ever change the facts
Brits are OIL lovers, NOT Arab lovers. BP is 100 years old. The industrialist KNEW what a threat their hegemony an Arab-Jewish unity would be. Europe dealt with that reality during the inquisition. England created the Muslim Brotherhood, effectively destroying Islam. British East Indies Company, etc.
I would suggest that it might be time for Maurice to consider growing up. If one criticises Israeli policies that does not make one anti-Semitic. Of course, it suits that the issue becomes anti-semitism rather than the prison that is Gaza.
that's not being anti semitic - thats just a fact
And Arab Israeli citizens have equal rights under the law. Unlike you people allowing a mob to destroy a factory because they MAY supply to Israel
jews in europe and the subsequent years would assist this and many other writers to stop writing nonsense. a study of literature from chaucer shakespeare and dickens would help. a look at the bbc and the guardian would also be beneficial
And you’re name is ALI right?! so you are a human right protector as long as Muslims are being involved..Hypocrite!!!
Unfortunately this law is just on paper.
And I have never allowed a mob to destroy anything...........why arn't palastinians allowed to travel down the same roads as Jewsish people in the west bank? sounds like aparthied to me.
All the "treatment" you describe is well deserved. Some would think even worse treatment would be in order, for the colossal damage they have inflicted on innocent Israelis.
All you leave out is that Israel's actions, while not perfect, are fundamentally actions of self defence. She is absolutely entitled to do what she does. She does not have to sacrifice its citizens on a plate, so that Palestinians can exterminate Israel or that "peace activists" can engage in violent, dangerous criminal behaviour. That is what is going on little Ali and if your people don't like it, stop attacking Israel. Nothing will stop Israel from defending herself except the loss of the last breath of Israelis. If we get to that point, much of your world will be devastated. We finally have a fighting chance and unlike Jews throughout history, today's Israeli Jews will fight back. Don't like, leave her alone. You want to promote the welfare of your people, declare peace and enter into peaceful relations. Don't wan't to do either and want to continue to attack Israel, then it matters not a wit whether you cry like a baby or not.
See who is talking about human right and peace activist. Your PM , Mr. Cameron only recently apologised to the Irish people over the brutal killing of harmless Irish protesters over a decade ago. He talked about Gaza been a prison but made no mention of the daily rockets and missiles bombardment of Israeli towns. May be you believed Israel doctored the beating of Israeli commandoes as shown in your supposed peaceful IHH Mavimara Boat. If you are a military personnel being beaten what would you reaction be ? Hypocrite, go and read your history books and you will see how Brits aided world wide religious persecution to mention but a few. The rhetorics from your politicians and people are too critical of Israel. You Brits are leaning towards anti-semitism due to arab/muslim votes and that's what Pres. Peres said. The truth is always bitter to hear. The Brits are extremely too proud when thre is nothing to be proud about. Go check your history, hypocrite.
PETER SM 01.08.1014:11 "And Arab Israeli citizens have equal rights under the law. Unlike you people allowing a mob to destroy a factory because they MAY supply to Israel". Those so called equal rights are not been implemented Mr Peter SM. I suggest you learn a bit more about Israel, a country becoming increasingly more fascist!
Their towns don't even have bus service for Christ sake. Peter SM knows nothing about Israel.
That is why arab Israeli schools have one third of the budget Jewish schools have? That is why four towns in the Galilee have passed by-laws that ban anyone who is not of jewish descent from liveing there (Irefer you to the Haaretz article in 2009 that read 'we are not racist, we just dont want Arabs here') That is why any Jew can celebrate any single thjing on any day they desire, but marking the Naqba can result in loss of citizenship rights? the list goes on and on. If the British popluation were genuinely informed of what actually happens within Israel and not just in the occupied Palestinain territories then Israel would have an appaling time. You are lucky that you manage to keep the world thinking so well of you.
It is "democratic" when the zoinist lobby meddles in american policy but it is a "problem" if british muslims do the same. Live by the sword....
If I a imagine that my father (83), who was a very smart man, would be president of Switzerland today, o vey, o vey, o vey..... Sorry to say, but Shimon Peres has completely lost it over the past 3-5 years, and no one should tell me, that age isn't a factor there.....
Swiss-Dino....., Peres is right. I myself have noted that for the past 2-3 yrs, when it comes to issues of Israel & the Palestinians the statements from UK politicians are always unfavourable and one sided.
Swiss Dino: Switzerland is even more antisemitic than Britain. Bravo.
Well at least he is a President what, might I say are you?
then I have to agree with you. And the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree. No need, however, to assume that others have lost it just because your father has.
Has Peres ever lived in the UK for a lengthy period of time. The answer is of course NO. So how can he make such a comment on. He is confusing politics with reality. I was born and lived in the UK for nearly 30 years, and if Antisemitism is discriminating against a person because he or she is different. Then I can say I did not encounter it, in the UK. I wish I could say the same about Israel when I was an Oleh Hadash (new immigrant).
To label an entire nation of 61 million people as anti-Semitic is plain stupid. But many members of the British nation are just as liable to label an entire nation of 13 million people (Jews). Also stupid, and much more serious.
Well, Israelis label millions of Palestinians as "terrorists" and proceed to imprison (including Gaza) exile, kill, maim and steal land from them and then justify their dehumanisation of Palestinians by saying "well they shouldn't have voted for Hamas" or whoever. So all are punished. Even the families and children? Did they vote too? And the ordinary people and the Fatah supporters?? No matter... tell yourselves what you want to about your moral IDF and government to help you sleep at night, the reckoning will come later. Israel need to wake up to its own mess.
If UK, the parents of "Israel" today, when it gave the Zionists, including Peres an "Anti Semite", i.e an enemy to the "Jews", then with UK being an enemy, really! who needs friends. can you (reader) imagine if UK was not an "anti Semite" what can she do the Jews? perhaps she would gave them the entire British empire, then. if this means any thing, it shows beyond any shadow of a doubt that we are dealing with a bunch of paranoid maniacs running the Zionst state since its inception on my lands.
England only belatedly and a year or so after the fact recognized Israel as sovereign. And England immediately and was among the only countries in the world who recognized the Jordanian annexation of East Jerusalem.
i suppose when a people absolutely refuse to consider whether they may not be to blame, the other side will appear "irrational." anyone disagrees with israelis/jews and they're "irrational." (and of course jew-haters etc). i thought jews are supposed to be so smart -- you're certainly taking the easy way out by doing this
What has to be understood is that anyone who does not support Israel with heart, soul, and cheque book, no matter what Israel does, is by definition an anti-Semite.
Is time to change the old myths,to fin d something more rational instead to play the victim role.Instead to ask why people from the larger jail in the world put to a diet a little bit above what UN consider as starvation sent primitive missiles to Israel,lift the inhuman siege,speak with Hamas ,release Hamas prisoners and release Gilad Shalit.
This is nothing more than zionist rhetoric and I expected better from President Peres. One is allowed to criticize Israel or any other country who commit human right violations.
How come nothing is ever really said about Hamas violating human rights, the Saudi's, Cuba, Turkey. Is it because they are the darlings of the left?
.. in the minds of many in Britain, for yesteryear's Jew in society. Three generations after the Jewish Holocaust it is still not politically correct to be "anti-Semitic", so Israel, the national home of the Jew, has instead been targeted and has become the subject to obsessively and without any rationale to be demonized, de-legitimize, to hate. This is NOT criticism of Israel; this is spewing hate at Israel and its people, the Jewish people!
Yup, It never ceases to maze me how much time the BBC devotes to Israel.
just a reminder that Qatzrin is NOT in israel, but in the Occupied Syrian Golan
And it doesn't mean making love....
The UK has a lower proportion of muslims than most other European countries.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5621482.ece You are full of it. Throwing around words like "facts" doesn't make something true.
The UK abstained in '47 because they knew better than anybody the true nature of the Zionist terrorist movements and the shape of things to come. The US voted for the Partition Plan only because Truman depended on the Jewish vote in '48. And now Shimon Peres has the nerve to accuse a democratic country of Anti-Semitism beecause the voters disagree with Israeli crimes against humanity? He is indeed a devious and obnoxious little man.
An excellent comment based on facts! If it is anti-semitic to think that the Palestinians are the underdogs, then Mr Peres can include the growing international opinion who thinks so too in this category. We, Europeans, know what an occupation feels like, Israel does not. We, Europeans, have suffered under the oppression of the Nazi boot. We know what it is to be the underdog. This is why the people of Gaza and the Westbank have our sympathy.
I'm not surprised if you are from Oslo, but don't write ignorant anti-semitic trash on posts. In 1948 60% of all US Jews lived in New York. Truman ran against the Governor of NY Thomas Dewey. Truman LOST New York in the election, and never had a chance. Looks like that powerful Jewish vote really helped him.
Lucky you Spanish and Argentinians are not blowing themselves up or firing rockets at England. They want their Malvinas and Gibraltar back. And when did far away Arab Iraq (twice attacked over the last 20 years) and Afghanistan fire rockets on England? One million men, women and children killed so far by Britain (and others, but not the IDF). Sharia is coming to you... "Proud" Brit.
Yes we know that Norwegians are "proud antisemites." Most are "Quislings."
the brits can be civilised, and even kind. yet behind this civility hides an enormous hypocrisy. yes, the brits in the majority are antisemites--of the civilised kind
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138860 If Gaza is a prison camp for the majority of its population, it is because of its Hamas rulers, not because of Israel. Calling it so, with a finger pointed at Israel is most definitely anti-semitic. It is a complete lie, with the underlying connotation that these Jews are behaving like Nazis.
Mr Peres should take a well-earned retirement. His remarks are ill-advised, unnecessary, and damaging. It is not wise to try and play tit-for-tat with Cameron. If he says that Gaza is a prison camp, then he should be listened to, the man has a point.
If anybody studied English politics and actions from the 1930's till independence in 1948 and beyond, even the the most pro-english reader will admit to overwhelming anti-zionist and pro-arab stance of any country, particularly since WW2. This attitude has continued in the English establishment till today - where it comes to the fore because of the amount of muslim voters in Britain today.
Call it as you like. It is not hate, just no love. The Pals are sympatic as the loosers are allways sympatic.
for the purposes of murder then? Despite Israeli assurances the last time Israel was caught with forged British passports they wouldn't do it again. What Peres fails to understand or even grasp is that him and his friends killed British servicemen in acts of terrorism which included inventing the car bomb, then the Israeli people voted those very same people to be their Prime Minister. Why should we do anything else other than tolerate you? If you don't like it then stop exporting 25% of all Israeli exports to Euyrope to the United Kingdom. EU exports accounting for 75% of all Israeli exports. In other words put up or shut up.
The British are notorious for being anti-Semitic & racist against other minorities in general. They've been well-trained to be polite in public, maybe this is more cowardice than manners. When you call Israelis names like Nazis because of their treatment of the arabs & don' base this on any facts, in effect demonizing all Israelis - this is anti-Semitic. Making negative generalizations against an entire (Jewish) nation is anti-Semitic & bigoted.
Read your post! What you said was that all British are bigots because they make make negative generalizations against Israelis.
So it's bigoted to make negative generalizations about Israelis, but it's ok to make negative generalizations about the British and just about everybody else that might not share your views?
For many years, I would have spent hours trying to refute any implication of being anti-semitic. These days, if anyone conflates criticism of Israeli policy with being an anti-semite, I can't be bothered. Call me what you like. If that puts me in the same ranks as genuine bigots, I don't care any longer. If being disgusted by the Israel of today is anti-semitic, so be it. More and more people globally are sick of your hypocrisy, whether spelled out by your apparently senile president or implied by your racist foreign minister. The hell with you.
Israel does not need the brits to run their country for them.
They went to bed with the Libyans instead together with BP because the Libyans have oil and there is many money to be made.
There are major offshore gas fields - including offshore Gaza. Israel has even had the gall to negotiate the Palestian gas fields directly with British Gas. Did you know that, ii??
Everyone knows the English are anti semitic. Oil and liberty don't mix well in England. One reason why the sun barely sets on England.
Peres is absolutely right. The British are bastards for they are masters of duality and (gemina persona) politics. They smile to you in your face and screw you behind your back.
Is there a country Israel doesn't have an axe to grind? it seems whether friend or foe, any critism of israel is being answered by anti semitic remarks...The fact remains if our president/ prime minister keeps quiet about Gazza, the situation will remain unchanged. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing....I might not agree with Cameron but i do admire his fortitude, and in case you missed it he wasn't particularly kind to Pakistan either,
don't forge our passports for the purposes of murder, giving arabs an excuse to kill British troops in Afghanistan.
Since when did the Islamic Taliban need an excuse to kill the British? The Arabs don't come into this
actually a lot of foreign arab jihadists fight in Afghanistan too. And Sir Honorary Knighthood Peace Prize Peres is spouting the usual nonsense about how the world is against us (well, if you're paranoid, try to work out what's making you feel guilty).
actually a lot of foreign arab jihadists fight in Afghanistan too. And Sir Honorary Knighthood Peace Prize Peres is spouting the usual nonsense about how the world is against us (well, if you're paranoid, try to work out what's making you feel guilty).
President Peres has voiced what many Israelis feel and think. His remarks are spot on and, while it is true that there are many British people who support Israel, there are many, many more who do not - these are the people who lead vicious attacks on Israel, through print, media, academia and government. The attacks are relentless and, unfortunately, have had quite an effect on the general population. Just check out the facts and figures on the rise of anti-Semitism in the UK. The British people should not be angry when the truth is spoken. It may not be pleasant to hear but neither are we too happy when we hear the daily condemnations against Israel. Israeli bashers will have a field day on this site!
Robert Fisk, of the Independent ,one of the most virulent anti Semite and shameless Israeli basher in UK
Apparently, you Zionist don't seem to know the difference, or you do and just want to score political points. In any event, the word antisemitism no longing has any real meaning.
Enlighten us, Mike, please. Whatever you want to call it - racism, prejudice, bigotry it's running rampant in the UK & to be fair, not just against the Jews, but they're the easiest target.
people of opportunities because they are Jewish. Can you cite examples of this in the United Kingdom?
he said the word had lost its meaning and now you sarcastically ask him to define it. you're not very bright
Having lived in the UK for 30 years now, a place I consider home, I am dismayed & disappointed to read these comments. This is simply not true, on the contrary in fact !!!
Unfair criticism against Israel because it is defending its people is "antisemitic." As to Scotland that releases "Libyan murderers for oil" we don't need morality lessons from any Scot.
Not that 43 years old Cameron did any better in Turkey.
He told the Turks what they wanted to hear, and he then told the Indians what they wanted to hear. Pissing off Pakistan (a moslem country) and Israel a(a Jewish country). So can you tell what was anti semitic about the Prime Minister comments?
trying to make the english say " lets prove him wrong and support israel regardless of what they do, that'll prove him wrong", we know and we are watching.
When you refer to Gaza as a prison camp, people affiliate that with concentration camps. They just don't say the word ''concentration camp'', cause for politicians, that wouldn't be politicaly correct. Basically they compare the way Israel acts, as the way the Nazi's acted when the slaughtered 6 million jews. They compare a jewish nation to murderers, those people who commited genocide to the jews. How the hell is that not antisimetic???
Ever hear of a prison camp with a shopping mall and lingerie stores, and hundreds of rockets to shoot at its neighbors with impunity? That the British are so ready to accept these nonsensical accusations regarding Gaza is not unexpected. Jews, who well
try reality instead of slogans !
and they made a movie.
Maybe Cameron simply meant what he said: - 'prison camp' and it is your connotation of his words causing the problem. The Irish minister Micheal Martin called the siege of Gaza 'medieval' and he was also labelled (along with Ireland) anti-semitic.
It is antisemitic as it is a "lie." They have food, supermarkets etc. And why not criticise Egypt? He also ignores that Hamas wants to destroy Israel.
Never criticize Israel without an asterisk. Israel seems so much more concerned with pointing the finger of blame than with making peace. Want to measure net bloodshed to determine the finger of blame's most appropriate placement?
thinks he can buy cheap Muslim votes by swiping at Israel. he wasn't even elected PM!
they're also relatively innocuous... so why start-with-them...?
Shh. Shimon you can't speak the truth. It's not PC.
there is obviously a pro-arab slant in British politics; there are millions of Muslims in the UK who have been brainwashed to hate Jews and Israel and they are spreading it to the rest of the population, while at the same time, the Arab states themselves own vast swaths of British real estate, retail, and other huge business investments that they purchase with their petro-dollars. In short, the Arabs have the British by the throat...
can you explain the 20% rise in investment in the United Kingdom by Israelis in the last year?
Why the government has removed the holocaust from the history books in England, to appease the muslim community?
My Nieces are being taken to Auschwitz Birkenau when they are 14 to bear witness. I can assure you the Holocaust is part of the curriculum, and it is also illegal to deny the Holocaust.
there are millions of Muslims in the UK who have been brainwashed to hate Jews and Israel. Yeah. Not like that could ever happen to you guys.
Give us a foray to London or Ox any day... an understated peppering of anti-sem just adds to the authenticity...
Not that you'll be able to provide any, as this is a complete fabrication.
I guess this would never happen in America where money and votes would never affect who gets elected. Wise up old man
perez is President - he does not get elected on public voting - fool
1) Classic anti-Semites; 2) "Progressive" anti-Jewish racists; and 3) 7th century based Islamists. Together the three amount to an UNHOLY TRINITY whose only common denominator is the irrational hate of Jews; Judaism, the civilization of the Jewish people; the Jewish people's non-violent national liberation movement of Zionism; and the nation-state of the Jewish people, Israel. This is Britain today...!!
You yourself are living in The Golan which was capturesd by using force. Then of course there in The King David's Hotel affair, celebrated by Netanyahu with a plaque. If that is non violent then the Queen is a lesbian.
here we go again! nice way to deflect the scrutiny from yourselves.
How could you be so sure? Have you spent a lot of your time in her(The Queen) bed?
Wow, whats the weather like on your planet?
... they're actually quite keen on us... we add to the zest of life...
Israel will be respected in Europe the day it puts an end to its colonial occupation of its neighbor.
And it is the Gazans who are firing the rockets. Why do they do that? Well, because they want the rest of Israel, that's why.
Israel is out of Gaza and they fire rockets on Israeli civilians and towns. The only think the Anti Semite sees is the non-existing occupation of Gaza.
it has never existed !!
Peres is absolutely correct and as a Jew living in the Uk I can see it is getting worse here those Jewish community leaders and Jewish MPs are fooling themselves if they think it is not as Peres says and are kidding themselves if they think the situation will improve. We are a minority here and a shrinking minority here while the Muslims are a growing minority and are therefore much more important politically.
such as the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Speaker of the House, front runners in the race to become Labour leader etc etc etc. If the United Kingdom is anti semitic. Obviously if you don't like it you can leave.
Gezuntheit
Or do you want more muslims (Turkey) in like David Cameron? Mind you that England never was an islamic country.
Facts described by Perses are exact. It is the British to explain their behaiviour, not to Perse to stop telling the truth.
Gaza is a prison camp and no denial from Peres, who once was more than happy to deal with apartheid South Africa, will make it any less so. Too bad that Peres wants to damn the messenger who is telling a truth that Peres does not want to accept.
Sad that we the British will stoop so low for the Islamic vote and oil. It's only a matter of time when the British goverment will not need the Islamic vote Britain will be Islamic.
Total and utter rubbish, you could say the same about MP's representing areas of Manchester, Leeds and parts of London with a large Jewish population. Fact is, and if you had watched the news and knew anything about geopolitics and international trade Turkey and India are going to be future economic powerhouses, India will become a regional superpower. THe UK has got to get it's foot in the door, Cameron did so by redefining the UK's relationship with a country of 6 million and a country which while it is strategically important is a failing state, kept afloat with foreign aid which will end when we pull out of Afghanistan.. Peres might dismiss this as anti semitism, personally I see it as opening UK up to a potenial market of billions of people. Ditching Israel is in the UK's best interest Peres realises this that is why he is trying to prevent it, because if the UK does this, Germany, France and others will feel able to follow suit.
How come you are so ignorant about the country you live in?
Take a deep breath and think about how come If the Roman Empire was so powerful, like the UK,France Germany India today how could it have fallen? You dreaming and have no idea that the writtings is on the wall . It's a matter of time . Britain will be ruled by Islam .
Wow what morals the British have. Freeing Libyan murderers for oil deals. And now BP and British pensioners have to pay.
The Tablet is a Roman Catholic magazine.
And Peres was being modest and diplomatic ,Here in West Yorkshire the labour candidate lost. Her name was Abrahams,and she was not Jewish ,the Muslim population took no chances and voted against her .
Funny, I haven't heard about this. Are you sure she didn't lose because her party royally screwed us over during their 13 years in power? I know here in West Yorks we've had problems with racism in the past, but I doubt this very much. Please, correct me if I'm wrong and post your evidence that she lost at least partially due to anti-Semitism.
I was at the Labour party election meeting,she was bombarded with loaded questions about Israel from 2 British?Pakistanis. who later discussed their feelings about her.in their native language which I happen to understand.I knew then she was going to lose the seat.Are you telling me that the Pakistani elements in W.Y.love Jews?
Apparently he thought the British behavior reached such lows that no diplomatic language could describe it
though I'm surprised to see such candor
Can you imagine if a European or an American president said this about the Jewish vote? Abe Foxman will be up in arm and would demand the president to resign!
...and I doubt it has motivated you to post a comment anywhere about it
The Tablet is not a Jewish magazine, but the main Catholic publication in the UK. Just for the record.
Should surely be: Peres finally loses his marbles. What on earth possessed the President to launch such a tirade against a friendly country like the UK? Even if that is what you think - surely there are better circles in which to levy such accusations and not risk a diplomatic crisis at a time when relations are shaky as it is!
Cameron started this by calling Gaza a jail,without specifying who are the jailers.....Hamas
The Brits are so obsessed with anti Israel stands that someone needs to remind them what the Israelis think about them
I lived in England for twenty years and never heard that "saying". And it's not as if I mixed mostly with Jews, I didn't. (And people mostly didn't know I was Jewish.) If something is not said, it is not a saying. Nor did I ever encounter the sentiment. Perhaps it's something Peres picked up from the old aristocracy in some Evelyn Waugh book or the like. It sounds like them, not like England or the English in general.
I have lived in England for 65 years and personally have experienced no anti semitism,but, the new young british muslims hate jews and the press led by the BBC are so critical of Israel that almost all Israeli actions are reported in a negative light.
what would you expect to happen? if the same terrorist fire their weapons from a house full of women and children, what do you expect to happen. Any don't fool yourself, Israel cannot steal it's own land.
You could live in paradise if it wasn’t for Hamas and other corrupt Palestinian leaders
exactly relate fact based on law history and treaty ?? not anti semitic slogans based on arab nonsense
Live in Paradise- as the Palestinians of the West Bank live in Paradise.?
Peres needs to be congtratulated for his candour and tenacity in standing up to England
isn't the better word chutzpah? you know, that characteristic that jews love and the rest of the world sees as brazen self interest
When it comes to Israel
Truthfully Speaking it's been a known fact for years not to trust the British . I wonder why the Queen has never come to visit Israel.....
Please keep your remarks to yourself,or she might accept your invitation.
Now, what on earth should she visit Israel for?
PierreS....... I'm so stupid please acceipt my apologies I forgot that Israel does not have oil and is not an Islamic nation like Pakistan, Saudia Arabia , etc
She would like to go to Israel for religios reasons she is very deeply religious. However, politically she cannot go because if Israeli actions in the 1940's and 1950's which saw the deaths of British servicement and civilians at the hands of Israeli terrorists. Prince Charles will go in an official capacity once he is King.
Israel can do without the Royal Family thank you .
I didn't bring the subject of the Royal family visiting Israel up. So obviously it grates on some Israelis that the Queen hasn't visited.
Queen did not go to Auschwitz Liberation 60 th Anniversary while other Royals Did
How many friends did the Jews have before Israel was a nation? How many 'friends' aided or helped the Jews in Nazi camps ready for extermination? Friends? I most certainly would not call the Brits the Jews friends, or europe for that matter. And, if you think about it, only America and Israel have the commonality of hatred for the Brits, right after the Irish, the Scots, or any other people who've lived under British tyranny. If not for America ( those who first left England for religious freedoms( not a Jewish majority back then) the Brits would not exist as the Germans win over them would have been total. Now, the Brits are the subjects of Arabia. Only a matter of time before the Queen bows to the Saudis as did Obama.
in the first place
If the British were not your friends why did they sign the Balfour Declaration?
Presumably you mean English, as Scots are 'Brits' as well. Do you mean the Brits who were fighting the Nazis while the US was still making up its mind which side it was on, and while Europe's Jews were waiting for someone else to rescue them? Hypocrites.
Blame the Jews for all your problems and blame it on occupation although Israel is out of Gaza
Yusef Habibi: Let's bring up that Arabs expelled / persecuted / robbed 800,000 Jews living in Arab countries in addition to 2,000 years of European persecution of Jews.
is equal parts hilarious and sad. i'd recommend that everyone read it. peres is in deep denial about issues past and present and future. dude has lost it, if he ever had "it" in the first place.
Peres is stating what most Israelis feel. You guys are so entrenched in your anti Israel world that never took the time to study the issues closely and try to be fair to all sides
Pres.Peres is a Noble Laureate. Care to continue.?
The man is almost 90 years old and all you have to say is making fund of his looks
Yea boris karloff was Lithuanian.
He does have an honorary British knighthood, which he's too much of a hypocrite to return, but he's not a noble. I suspect you mean Nobel. Care to continue?
the same U.K that give it 's children men and brothers to save jews you ungreatful little man
The same UK that closed the doors to Palestine to Jewish refugees from Hitler causing millions to die, and then after selling out Czechoslovakia fought the Germans because they had no choice.
Before prasing the British sacrifise on behalf of others. The way I see it Britain did all it did for three reasons Britain,Britain, Britain. And if there was a side effect, like someone else was helped by it, well, tough luck.
actually, the same uk that sent escaping jews back into the death camps. and that's only a little part of it!
The same UK that bomb Dresden,Colonia...and not nazi extermination camps.
Fortunately there were only fewJews on that Channel Island ,occupied by the Germans ,where the local constabulary and authorities exhibited real dedication to finding out "Who is a Jew" and delivering them to Nazis.
Besides several thousand children at the beginning ofr the war - england did not save one european jew - in fact, the govt. policies directly send several hundred thousand to their deaths (white papers, refusal to allow entrance to european jews and even returned the to war torn europe, letting arabs have weapons and confiscating jews' ...) FACT. If you want to discuss this further or want proof let me know - I will be happy t6o prove thois to you.
Britain bombed ships of holocaust survivors trying to enter the Palestine Mandate. Britain picked up Jewish refugees off the streets of London to send them back to Poland, and certain death. Britain encouraged tens of thousands of illegal Arab economic migrants to enter the Palestine Mandate. Britain broke the terms of the Palestine Mandate by giving away 80% of Palestine to the Jordanians. The list goes on. A great friend indeed.
hey, your beloved protector the USA also turned jews away. you just hate it that in the UK the tail isn't wagging the dog
That destroyed the democratic leadership in Persia, all for oil. That sent thousands, to the worlds first concentration camps in South Africa. That denied freedom and murdered thousands in India. That plundered and invaded dozens of countries. That is currently reliving its crusader days in Afghanistan after being beaten in Iraq. After killing thousands of Argentinian soldiers and not to forget torpedoing a ship-full of sea cadets in the recent Malvinas, which are Argentinian. No, the British are not just anti this or anti that, they are a nation that believes only what they see and hear on the telly. So, the telly, together with their bangers and mash,or fish an chips with mashed peas says something,.. well,, they believe it. Care to watch the BBC.? Just watch the anti Israel, pro Arab oppressed, no, not it anti democratic Arab World, yes, only in Gaza Quote". Get my drift Mr.Cameron, for you are not a clever statesman, you need urgent lessons in worldly affairs" Unquote..Good day from sunny Swiss Alps.
Can I ask you a question? Which country set up a jewish state in Palestine in the first place? What country presented the Balfour Declaration to the zionists? I don't recall there being an Israel before the British occupation of Palestine granting Israel's right to exist, do you?
to this comment have been an education. I'll be forwarding them to my Israel-supporting friends and relations (including the great-uncle who was seriously wounded fighting the Nazis).
Sure - we've just been waiting for that!
next for the victory he will bring out the holecaust jewish leaders have no shame
Please learn to spell H-O-L-O-C-A-U-S-T, if you insist on using that word, please spell it correctly.
"Our next big problem is America," (Random Arab Leader) said. "There are several million Jewish voters. And for many members of the Senate, that’s the difference between getting elected and not getting elected. And in America there has always been something deeply pro-Israel, of course, not among all Americans, and anti-Muslim, in the establishment." Cue outrage from the ADL. Or, you know, not.
Bravo for Peres for courageously speaking the truth.
I have no idea if the majority of British are or are not. But the actions of the British government are definitely more pro Arab and pro muslim than pro Israel.
they're simply more pro truth and fairness, because UK politics aren't beholden to israeli lobby and evangelical money
That would not equate to being ani-semitic, would it? By doing so you devalue both the word and concept.
Like America should be pro-America. It would do the region a lot of good if we were more neutral and not pro-any country.
Britain is fighting two Muslim countries, that does not fit in with being' pro Arab'.
British are beholden to Arab money and Arab terrorism
WE HAVE A WORD FOR YOU ALSO........EVIL WAR MONGERS!
a shame we aren't permitted the right to use it here. Prey tell where exactly is Palestine? Is it near Atlantis? I know where Israel is... No Palestine on the map. No Palestinian language, no deeds to property in Palestine. Must be a fantasy, like fantasy island, right?
The far right equivalent of the holocaust denier.
Mat, maybe you can share some light about Palestinian history, culture folklore ect.. I’ll tell you what some of you are really living in Narnia’s closet no wonder you imagine a country called Palestine.
for those too young to know or remember. The kids in British Mandate used their coins for outdoor games, including for soccer matches. "Etz" stood for the side in Hebrew letters Eretz Israel, "Pali" for the Arabic side letters Falastin. Once you had tossed the coin, you could not claim both outcomes at the same time.