Poll: Most U.S. Jews approve of Obama's approach to Israel
Annual survey shows 73% characterize U.S.-Israel relations as 'positive' or 'very positive.'
By Natasha Mozgovaya Tags: Jews in America Barack Obama Israel newsDespite claims that that Israelis are wary of U.S. President Barack Obama, a new poll released on Tuesday shows that most American Jews view their leader and his dealings with Israel in a positive light.
According to the 2010 Annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion, conducted by the American Jewish Committee, 73 percent of American Jews characterize relations between Israel and the U.S. today as "very positive" or "positive."
In addition to this, 55 percent of American Jews approve of the way the Obama administration is handling U.S.-Israel relations.
In polls quoted in a New York Times article by former American Jewish Congress national director Henry Siegman from a few months prior, Obama is supported by only between 6 to ten percent of the Israeli public.
Despite American Jews' positive outlook on Obama and Israel-U.S. relations, their expectations for a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is less optimistic with 72 percent of respondent saying their view on an improvement in the situation has remain unchanged since the previous year.
The majority of those polled agreed that the goal of Arabs is the "destruction of the state of Israel," with 80 percent believing peace cannot be achieved with a Hamas-led Palestinian government.
On the subject of Iran, American Jews are almost equally divided for and against the way the Obama administration is handling the issue of a nuclear Iran with 62 percent of respondents saying they would support Israel taking military action against Iran.
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the only person who has israel's interests at heart is sarah palin. she told us what obama would do in 2008 and she was right! governor palin must be elected president to replace obama's anti-semitic, anti-israeli positions.
As an American, I am starting to believe that there is no real effort by this Israeli government to seek out a peace deal. Until there is real desire by both sides to seek out a peace the efforts by the American people and the U.S government is useless.
I am not surprised by the figures of the poll, but very much surprised by the sheer number and tenor of the majority of the talkbacks. How can anyone who tries to bring the current Israel government to senses be called an enemy of Israel? I think Obama is one of the few true friends that Israel still has. True friends exercise "tough love" if necessary. Many others just turn away and care no longer. Their number seems to be growing around the globe and that really gets me worried.
You poor thing. Paranoia is a depressing disease. But you should know that no one from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia nor Yemen has been sent to abuse you. You poor Jews are surrounded by Muslims who want to wipe you off the face of the earth (while you approach the 43rd year of a harsh, humiliating illegal occupation of Palestinian territory) you are victims of terror (while you attempt to starve 1.5 million of them in Gaza) the UN is anti-semitic (while Israel is in violation of more UN resolution than any country in the world) the world is anti-semitic (while the Israeli human rights record equates that of Burma and N. Korea). You face the whole world alone: The Masada syndrome. If Israel were to withdraw from the West Bank, share Jerusalem, lift the Gaza blockade, and move the barrier wall to Israeli territory, the world would magically love Israel again, and it would become a law-abiding, respected member of the international community.
There is no way that poll is correct. With the exception of a few Kool-Aid drinking Jew's that I know every one else regrets have voted for our President and have said, "never again"
I don't know were your correspondent obtained this information. It's not true. Majority of Jewish Americans have already realized that Obama presidency create a big problem with Israeli-American relations.
1) How many people were polled 2) Towns or cities that the polls were taken Nobody asked anyone in MY U.S. family
His approval rating is decreasing very quickly. Among my friends they all dislike him
You ask if US Jews have the right to judge Israel as all. Answer: they have the same right as US Christians, Muslims and Buddhists. Their religion is Jewish but their nationality is American. Judaism is a religion; Israel is a nation (not at all the same thing). Would you question US Christians right to judge Serbia?
Even though there are many in Israel who like to think that all the jews in the world owe them something... they are wrong. American Jews are American first, and should concern themselves with American interests first. If they were loyal to Israel instead of their mother country, then they would be traitors and should be expelled to Israel. As Americans, we owe it to the country that has given us (and Israel) so much to preserve its sanctity and strength. To ensure that we are all united regardless of race, religion, creed, etc. And as such, we should persue our own national interests and stay loyal to our commander in chief. I know Israeli's hate Obama, they want another Bush, who wanted Israel to control the holy land so that Jesus could return from heaven. But that was a short sighted view and dangerous for Israel. American Jews are more informed and sophisticated. Their distance from the conflict also gives them a larger world view.
Who are we to build on disputed territories? Hold off the building period. Build within the '67 borders if we must. Makes sense why Obama is doing what he's doing. And by the way, for those who sit here and cry about the so called "bad relations" between Israel & US... I beg to differ. Bibi and Obama signed a new arms deal last time they met in the US behind closed doors... so all this is politics for the most part. And Obama is doing the right thing.
No surprise. We got what we voted for: relativist, revisionist views of equal parties with equivalent positions for creating peace. The state of Israel clearly gets the shaft here while anti-Zionists and detractors of Jewish interests are clearly mollified and emboldened.
So how does myself and others in our town's Jewish community get involved in these polls? This certainly does not reflect how myself or my friends think. Obama is making the USA weaker by the minute, while distancing us from our dear allies during their time of need to bow to his Muslim friends. Hopefully we will not make the same mistake in 2012 we made in 2008! And for those of you out there that think we all rely on things like the NY times for our news, sorry, so wrong! the American media is too one sided to rely on, hence the need to read from around the world.
We nationalistic hindus would always stand shoulder to shoulder with our jewish-israeli brothers. Long Live Jewish-Hindu Friendship
First question for the data of this poll If the data is true the other questions arise Do US Jews have knowledge about Israel, and Israeli life. Do US Jews have any right to judge Israel at all.
Chris, I don't know if the sarcasm in your message was first or second degree, so I apologize if I got you wrong. Yes, Obama is a disaster for Israel, and it is good news for most Muslims. In the end, however, Obama is enabling a new global dynamic which will bring disaster not just to Israel but to all reasonable, peace-loving peoples. His self-righteousness, based on an abysmal ignorance of history, can only be embraced by those equally ignorant and short-sighted. It will do no good to call each other names. I just pray that the press start leading the way by ceasing to brainwash the world and those naive young idiots, the very same "useful idiots" Lenin spoke of.
You are rather sarcastic for someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. In 2009, US aid to Egypt was 200million. Nations are held accountable for their violations of international law. Under international law there are no basic sets of values to which every nation in the world must conform. So you want Egypt to be held accountable for what? Multiple sources, including the State Dept human rights reports, as well as studies from other groups such as Amnesty International an Human Rights Watch, have documented the PRC's abuses of human rights in violation of internationally recognized norms. But you should recognize the fact that any Chinese human rights issues deal only with their own population, as opposed to Israel's human rights violations. US Most Favored Nation status was changed in 1998 to Permanent Normal Trade relations(PNT). All but a handful of nations have PNT status with the US. The US does not give aid to China. So what?s your point?
Barak Obama took an oath to serve and protect the people and security of the US. Israeli policies threaten US national interests in the ME and Obama must rectify that. Israeli West Bank occupation, the building of settlements and the annexation of Jerusalem are violations of UN resolutions and articles of the 4th Geneva Convention, and thus war crimes As General David Petreaus said recently before the Senate Armed Forces Committee, "U.S. and Israel don?t face the same threats, and are not bound together by identical interests. US and Israeli interests diverge sharply and perhaps irreconcilably. Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the region and weakens the legitimacy of moderate Arab regimes. Meanwhile, Al Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support. The conflict also gives Iran influence in the Arab world through its clients, Lebanese Hezbollah and Hamas."
Sanity must prevail and the cycle of violence stopped. The pressure on iran must be economic and psychological but all options are open for now and the next years and israel must ready for all possibilities through unity and resilience .
That's good news, finally.
...to vote for Netanyahu. Doesn't that say it all?!? With that said, Obama never made the comment. Maybe you should actually read the book before making something up (or blindly taking another 'stupid' persons comment) before you lay down your opinion. It's people like you that keep creating straw man fallacies blocking people from getting to the actual heart of the matter. Stop letting your biasness get in the way of facts.
I think you were being somewhat kind referring hi to Don Corleone.He is an anti-Semitic/Anti Jew and he is the biggest bastard ever. Yesterday I just sent one post,had to leave.Came back astounded to see the forum still going on.Then I read same D.B the damn hypocrite,one minute praising the American Jews,the next frothing at the mouth drooling his inanities full of venom. Hate the man,having read only one of his posts on another forum,I just left him stew in his own spiteful juice. Sorry,I am livid and had to disburden myself. The less we see of his ilk,the better for us in Israel.We have sufficient enemies to deal with and of course Haaretz let's in all the Israeli bashers..I call THE DETRITUS.He and another called Ron which I ignore totally. Hope this gets published,if only for you to read. Thanks and Am Yisrael Chai!!!!!!!! Typical of this site unfortunately.
If American Jews believe obama is treating Israel fair, they are suffering a mental disorder. This incompetent president is a radical socialist who is trying to ruin the USA to put the USA in its place as a third rate country!! Its time to wake up, put aside PC language and call a liar a liar!! obama is a bigger liar than any US President in history. Please print my response if you have any fairness at all.
Polls: The article says it all. Here it is and believable: Despite American Jews' positive outlook on Obama and Israel-U.S. relations, their expectations for a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is less optimistic with 72 percent of respondent saying their view on an improvement in the situation has remain unchanged since the previous year. We could?ve told them that,even without the polls. The majority of those polled agreed that the goal of Arabs is the "destruction of the state of Israel," with 80 percent believing peace cannot be achieved with a Hamas-led Palestinian government. Absolutely spot on. On the health care: His was a last ditch had to be convinced his clique and congress to attend it straight away and not leave it to chance.And lo and behold within one day the Bill passed.(not a year)but NOW! If you think this merits Obama?s accomlishments then you are deluded. You like him? Fine why not a matter of choice. Be that as it may, about the whole Bush Family. Because you mention Bush Srn being more promising? Bush Srn was an anti-Semite of the first order. It would behove you to go and ?Google? the story about the Bush and Saudi connection. It will open your eyes somewhat. Anyway there is no more Bush now.
Polls: The article says it all. Here it is and believable: Despite American Jews' positive outlook on Obama and Israel-U.S. relations, their expectations for a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is less optimistic with 72 percent of respondent saying their view on an improvement in the situation has remain unchanged since the previous year. We could?ve told them that,even without the polls. The majority of those polled agreed that the goal of Arabs is the "destruction of the state of Israel," with 80 percent believing peace cannot be achieved with a Hamas-led Palestinian government. Absolutely spot on. On the health care: His was a last ditch had to be convinced his clique and congress to attend it straight away and not leave it to chance.And lo and behold within one day the Bill passed.(not a year)but NOW! If you think this merits Obama?s accomlishments then you are deluded. You like him? Fine why not a matter of choice. Be that as it may, about the whole Bush Family. Because you mention Bush Srn being more promising? Bush Srn was an anti-Semite of the first order. It would behove you to go and ?Google? the story about the Bush and Saudi connection. It will open your eyes somewhat. Anyway there is no more Bush now.
Don, you are dealing with nutjobs. They cannot read English. Israel is quickly becoming more polarised and the talkback is full of irrational extremists. I feel sorry for the rational and moderate Israeli's as they appear to be marginalised by the political system. Two attributes of civilised society are the separation of religion and politics and the dissolution of any vendetta culture. As the respondents show here, Israel has neither of these and as a result should be struck from the list of civilised societies. These extremists will nexer deal with the facts but yell you down with persomal abuse. Considering the long history of Jewish intellectualism will make you realise how much Israelis have fallen into the abyss. One could argue that the present state of Israel is not Jewish but Chabad. Sooner or later the Diasopra Jews are going to have to take the wooden spoon to Israel to cleanse it of the cancer that is the Khazar settlers and the Chabad. This poll may be the start.
Moshe, I think Obama is a nightmare. I tried to warn my friends but they would not listen. They seemed mesmorized by this man. I see him as evil anti israel and I'm scared. I am very appreciative of the Jews in Israel. Imagine though if there were no Jews in other countries. Many of us are defending Israel by influencing and informing the public in other countries is the only way America and other democracies can bring leaders who will help Israel. We need to find the proper way to inform the average working american Jew that Obama is bad.
Are you related to Don Corleone ?? Just wondering.
Cipora, fear not, this poll is so off base. I know of NOBODY in the Jewish community who remotely approves of Obama. In fact, Cipora, there is a whole lot of I TOLD YOU SO going around. Obama has a small window, for November is rapidly approaching. All of the Democrat Liberal tricks will be unable to avert the defanging that we will see Obama suffer. His buddies (Pelosi etc) will be shown the door, and BHO will become a lame duck President. His Israel escapade will take a back seat to his other insane policies, only to be handcuffed by a hostile Congress. By the way, American Jews join MANY other segments disapproving of Obama's losing schemes. Ain't just the Jews, Cipora. Shalom.
First, Don, there is not one American Jew I know of who even remotely approves of what Obama is doing relative to Israel. NOT A ONE, got it (out of thousands). Second, it is the Arab intransigence and refusal to accept Jews (or Christians) in the Middle East that got them in trouble. There were no thefts, as you falsely claim (probably on purpose). Had the Arabs accepted the Partition, as Israel did, there would have been decades of peace. Question for you, Don, Arafat formed the PLO in 1964, three years before the '67 War. WHAT was he in need of liberating in '64, when the SO CALLED Occupation began in '67 ?? As to your claims of racism, the Arab World is chock-full of Racism. Start with the Saudis, the most racist country. Please, PUHLEEZ, don't lecture us about racism, when Arabs are among the most racist. Why can't I, an American Jew, travel to many Arab countries, if not for racism ?? That doesn't even begin to address the trampling of Women's Rights.
They never called me for this survey. But here is at least one american jew opposed to Obama pushing his (self centered) agenda on Israel. Bad enough we have to tolerate him here. VOTE NO OBAMA 2012.
I believe the poll to be quite accurate. Here in the American west Jews see themselves as Americans of the Jewish religion. We have serious doubts that Netanyahu has a sinsere desire to effect a settlement with the Palestinians. Consequently, we back Obama in his efforts to bring an accord to the two sides in the belief that to not do so means eternal unrest for both sides. Obama is a fine AMERICAN president. Israelis must understand that he is popular in this country among American Jews, and he will, most certainly, be elected for a second term. You can jump up and down, and tear your clothes, but it will happen.
Israel needs to realize that America is changing just like Europe did 30 years ago. With each generation Americans are becoming more and more secular in their views and less and less supportive of religious arguments for land or anything else. Dont believe, me just ask the Pope. So what does this mean for Israel? It means we dont care about divine gifts of land and we cant rationalize modern day ghettos regardless of religion. Yes, of course, we have our Sarah Palin's but overwhelmingly America's youth is very suspicious of anything dealing with religion. My suggestion to Israel is to make peace in a hurry thinking about 67 boundaries. Believe me, if you dont, the next generation will have Americans bulldozers plowing down your settlements in the West Bank.
They ALL agree with him and believe me, the number of my Jewish friends is pretty high.
Since you expect Don Boston to act in ways contrary to the interests of HIS country, that makes him unpatriotic? Strange reasoning.
As usual your post shows just how little attention you pay to the world around you. If you had taken the trouble to read what I posted, you would have noted I suggested nothing to any American Jew. I did, which a gentile is allowed to do, comment on their behavior and national identification. Get off your high horse.
Most of my friends feel the same way. Maybe we were the ones polled.We are fed up with the extremist government now in Israel and it is time for the majority of Israelis to make some hard decisions. Stop the settlements, remove the barricades and get out of the West Bank.
Surely there are plenty of Jews in Israel who support an end to the occupation and a fair resolution of the problems that have arisen from it? I hope so.
for Obama but lets hope they learn from their mistakes. Obama's book: " If the winds of change shift in an ugly direction, I will stand with the Muslims'. Doesn't that say it all ?
Israel has lost the support it has enjoyed among the non Jews of America. The actions over the last year in Gaza and with the settlements are driving a wedge into American support. The attitude that if it was done in the past, so it can continue, won't fly anymore. We are tired of sending our tax dollars to support a country that gives us the finger every time we turn around. How will Israel build settlements and buy bombs without our tax dollars to make it happen?
would be percieved in the united states. there are no cowards anywhere.people are free to make choices.that is what we are all about.i wish you would not write in this vein.you do israel a disservice.
"Israel is a recipient of USA`s welfare--therefore conditions and restictions are appropriate;" Ok little guy that apply to Egypt that receives $3billion in aid. They dont even hold basic values towards women or democracy as a whole. I don't you patriotic, moralistic saints demanding they be held accountable. Or how about China that year after year is granted most favorite nation of trade which results in billions of dollars a year. Look at their human rights record in CHina and occupied Tibet.
my post was about obama who sat in an antisemitic church for twenty years; whose pastor is friends with the likes of louis farakhan.
Posted: "Who did this poll. If most US jews favor Obamas approach to Israel we are in real trouble. If this is true then why don`t we just give Israel to the Arabs and satisfy all those self hating jews who don`t care about our people. Better yet why doesn`t the 73% convert to Islam and leave Israel to us who love her." First of all Israel is not yours to do anything with. You are a Jew by name only who does not live in the lands that G-d promised Abraham and his decendants, therefore, if you are a Jew, you are a sinner in the eyes of G-d. Second of all, if you cared at all about "our people", you would pack up all of your belongings and your family and come over here to live in Israel and to give your blood, sweat and tears to defend the land that g-d gave the Jews, instead of hiding like a coward in another country and watching "our people" give their lives defending Israel while you sit and do absolutly nothing to help them. What kind of a Jew are you? Shame on you !!!
we have no comment to make on their electoral choices.gentiles on the site want to abuse us on this score.they are wasting their time. we only accept support where it is freely given.
we have one other problem and that is netanyahu. he is a provocative personality with no finesse. i support his policies but as an example his demeanour at the aipac meeting invited a response. ehud barak is far more intelligent.
I supported Obama in 2008 because he was going to make the world less bad. He made it worse... My family and I don't agree on much politically, but we all agree that we will NEVER vote for someone who loves Hamas terrorists.
Why do the results of this poll showing that a small majority of American Jews support Obama's approach, rather than Likud's one, cause such a panic among Posters here? Could it be the dread that Israel could loose its traditional steel grip on Uncle Sam's throat. After all, Likud dosn't even have a majority in Israel! So why should one expect most American Jews to meekly follow the official party line.
Like virtually all of my friends and relatives, I believe that Obama is acting correctly and in a principled manner in his dealings with the current Israeli administration. For any peace deal to be possible, Israel must start to abide by international law. The occupation and colonisation of East Jerusalem and West Bank are illegal under international law, and the treatment of the Palestinians a disgrace. A growing number of US Jews are no longer cowed or blinded into accepting the AIPAC spin. We support Obama and hope he will take as strong a line as necessary (including withholding financial, military and political support) in order to bring BIbi and co. into line and to the negotiating table. Kol hakavod Barack!
Your post ad its sentiments within it is quite Right.Many people think the Evangelicala have an ulterior motive.You disagree with this assumption?So do I. As far as the American Jews in the main are selfish and don't give a fig about the survival of Israel.They'll regret it,they'l regret it! Come a time(G*D forfend) I did say,if anything ontward should occur where will they go? Israel is the only place for them.But will they see it like you,and me?heaven knows...perhaps when it is too late?
You say and I agree:The figures published reflect the temporary state US Jews are in. As antisemitism grows in the US, and it is, Jews will understand better that Obama has not been good for Israel and is help making this world a far more dangerous place for Jews. I agree but will those deluded Jews get it into their heads?or until it is too late,knowing how disdainful they are at present. I have always said:When push comes to shove,those Jews have a safe haven i.e Israel. So,they had better wake up to reality.As things stand anti-semitism is on the increase every where.And for them living in comfort in the US will not make immune. p/s Just returned,was away for quie a long time.Surprise to see so many respondents They will also understand that without Israel they are in big trouble
When one looks back, it is clearly seen that the greater the "friendship" of a US President to Israel (meaning that he applies less pressure on Israel to pursue peace), the less is accomplished. Our greatest "friends" were Clinton and G. Dubya Bush. Clinton did everything Barak asked him to do, including in Camp David. The result: no peace, only Intifada II. Dubya Bush came up with the Roadmap, a plan but no pressure on Israel. Nothing useful resulted. Looking back at the "bad" presidents, Nixon helped Israel with military equipment in Yom Kippur, but then prevented Israel from vanquishing the Egyptian Third Army. He preserved Egypt's honor, and peace became possible. Carter was even insulting in his pressure on Begin. But he ended up godfathering the Peace Agreement with Sadat. Papa Bush was publicly pushing Shamir, even causing his regime to fall, This resulted in the Madrid Conference which led to Oslo. It is now Obama's turn to do some good. If Netanyahu is unable to freeze construction in Jerusalem while peace talks determine what should belong to each side (thus eating the pizza while discussing how to divide it), let him fall. We don't need zealous nuts as Prime Ministers.
by your same warped logic you can apply that to China. We consistenly grant most favorite trading partner which amounts to much more money that Israel and Egypt get. Yet her abuses at in China and occupied Tibet are abominal. Where your moral outrage about this? Huh? Care to justify this. See the problem with you and your ilk Don is not the issue of human rights but rather your sick fixation with demonizing Israel while simply ignoring legitimate human rights abuses. And getting back to Egypt they receive 3 billion a year and look their human rights. They can't even follow the basic human rights value. Your a joke man!
Please quote anywhere I foamed at the mouth or criticized Jews. You cannot and will not even try to. I did not praise Jews per se, but Jews who have stood for the most cherished values of the US, which I believe to be most Jewish Americans. I criticize extremist Zionists based on their conduct and what they espouse, not their race or religion. You cannot cite a single example of my attacking "Jews" or "Hebrews" except by stating that they are equal to all other people. Zionists I do criticize with relish, but that is entirely different. Extremist Zionism is a form of racial supremacy, which I will always attack without reference to the race involved. It amazes me how so many of you Zionist apologists are incapable of addressing points actually made rather than using inept adjuectives and insults. My primary point - made with absolute consistency - is that Jews are equal, no better or worse than anyone else, but none of you comment on that.
You misquote me as saying that Israel's feet should be held to the fire, when I spoke of Likud's feet. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. Now, by what right do we hold the israeli government's feet? Only so far as supporting Israel costs us dearly in treasure, goodwill, and (albeit remotely) in blood. Further than that, the Israeli government's doings are none of our business
think" evidently you do or you would not be posting on a jewish site.
1 you have not answered.obama spent five years in the senate sleeping. 2 he is now well below 50% in the polls. 3 bush jnr was your problem. 4 obama is trying to prove to us he is ours. 5 the proof would be the next election.
africans trek through the sahara and then sinai to make their way to israel.when they reach the border the egyptians shoot them. let me explain this further.africans pass through innumerable states and single mindedly wish to come to us.that is what we are.egypt shoots them dead for no conceivable reason. there is a great deal for you to absorb in that.see what you make of it.
Again, you ignore substance to focus on imaginary slights. Never do you directly take on what I or anyone else says. Why should I not have the right to post here? My country is largely responsible for Israel's ability to get away with what it does to the Pals. Only tyrants and racists would limit debate to that with which they agree. I've never killed anyone or sent anyone to kill anyone. I oppose the war in Iraq as much as I do the crimes of Israel. I'd love to see George W Bush tried for war crimes. My opinion of someone's actions is absolutely independent of their race, religion or nationality. I've also criticized civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but the US acknowledges and tries to avoid them while Israel lies and rationalizes its misconduct. We tried to help Somalia and have been attacked there and in Yemen. Who have we killed freely in either country? Where do you live?
that is the most offensive arrogance i have ever heard. israel survives not becasue of america but because of the thirty thousand jews who gave their lives to keep their nation safe.
two problems with your post. 1 you patently find the colour black an inferior colour.wherever it may be found. 2 you are guilty of using silly cliches.
I praise American Jews for acting in ways consistent with unprejudiced belief in equal human rights with regard to blacks, women, and laborers as well as Pals. Who on earth am I trying to make afraid by saying that Jews are equal? I never said Jews that disagree with me are not patriotic or threatened them. I simply note that those who favor equality - the majority - are reflecting US values as I see them. I vehemently disagree with most Republicans, but I do not questioned their patriotism or in any way threaten them. They too have the right to speak. In the US, we tolerate differences and praise equality. If belief in and advocacy of racial equality and equal human rights is repulsve to you, I am glad to repulse you.
don boston how many problems are there in this merciless world?quite a few?are our problems in the same league?quite patently not.so why are you here?
"let me tell you something about obama.he spent five years in the senate and achieved nothing at all." G.W.Bush spent 8 years as President, achieved the enmity of Russia, offended much of western Europe,made zero progress on Israel-Palestinian peace process, started a war on false pretenses in Iraq and led the US into its worst recession since the 30's. In one year Obama has a Health Bill, is about to test himself out on Wall St and has served notice to Israel that his approach is more Bush Snr than Jnr. Sounds promising to me.
i know don boston.
How many american jews were polled? The whole minority? let us assume this, then a minority is pushing US foreign policy in a direction which is not necessary in the US national interest. It's quite bizarre in itself!. A minority which is workingt hard to settle legitimacy on something which is itself bhaving illégally in all manners. Obama is an ethical guy who struggle to put respect and legitimacy in the mess called israeli policy.
i have tried to analyse this insight and it seems to me that the something that gnaws at me is "why are these people here day after day abusing us when we are a minute part of the world.why us and not others?who do those who kill so freely in iraq afghanistan pakistan somalia and yemen send their people to abuse us? i hope that is of help ron.
Please explain your nonsensical comment. When have I ever said in any way that Jews are inferior or have less rights? I have not. Never have I posted anything condemning the Jewish race though I often condemn extremist Zionists. There is a difference. Why shouldn't I post on this site occasionally? I also post on other forums condemning Egypt, Saudi Arabia and many other countries in which racism and tyranny are pervasive. I have no special love for "arabs" or Palestinians. Israel is unique to me because my country has enabled it to become what it is. I bear part of the collective guilt for Israeli crimes. So I will speak up without worrying about what you think.
I am interested in what they have to say. I am not an expert but reading these posts and reflecting upon my perception of recent events (from the news) lets me somehow conclude that the good portion of them are sick, feeling being under attack. This does not make much sense to me. Is it always like that? Stress hormone related diseases can create a personality change...
thank you for your contribution ron.you were kind enough to mention our genes.the problem with them is they give us too much insight.far more then we would like.they show us the anti-semites at twenty paces.before they have said a word.
name calling is never to be recommended.makes one think your opponent is feckless. i read a couple of your posts and cannot think why you waste your time when you have nothing much to say.
Perhaps you are not American. The cliche I used is ancient and refers to the color black - pots and kettles blackened over fire - and has nothing to do with race. The cliche does not condemn blackness, but merely plays on the fact that both the kettle and the pot over a fire are blackened. Do you really believe I'm an unreconstructed racist simply because I consider all persons equal without regard for race? Because I'm not a Jewish supremacist, I'm a racist?
1. Brazen: I guess Lieberman has a lot of family in Israel. 2. Fredy Ross: Yeah, exactly. Koch definitely has his pulse on the Jewish community (you know, being on FoxNews and all...). 3. Heather: You don't think it's ironic becoming a "libertarian" and then moving to Canada?! Was it the universal health care? BTW, because you and your husband are "disappointed" doesn't mean that makes most U.S. Jews. 5. Charles: I guess you that makes you a moron too? Even more so you care so much for Israel yet live in Cleveland? Cleveland?!? What couldn't get into New Jersey? Didn't want to go to Israel because you could see the sky? Afraid you miss the stench in Cleveland? 8. Thighbone: WTF?!? LOL... I didn't vote for Obama, but the virol hatred and ignorance toward the man is disgusting, especially by Israeli Jews that seem to harp on their own paranoia then actual facts. I don't agree with everything he does, but can't we handle this like adults?
What "feelings for Jews?" I consider Jews to be just like everyone else. In fact, I have and have had many Jewish friends but never met a Palestinian until 2002. I've advocated equal human rights for all, including Pals, for over 30 years. Just what have I said that was "out of control?" Can you really convince yourself that one that does not recognize Jews as having special rights denied other races and religions are "out of control?" Or is my "error" not accepting the religion and culture of Judiasm as supreme truth? Or is it my reference to crimes? When one takes something from another person that all others in the world recognize as belonging to that person, it is a crime. When civilian non-combatants are oppressed, terrorized and killed, it is a crime, regardless of the races of those involved. Obviously, it is your "feelings for Jews" that are blinding you. You are the one out of control.
i know he is overegging the pudding.it is self-advertisment and indeed your post is at one with your "peace". stephen leave us in peace.there are far more deserving causes for your witless messages.try afghanistan where you are killing muslims by the ton.we defend ourself in our homeland.you stephen travel thousands of miles to kill muslims.check wikipedia for the numbers you have killed.not a pretty picture
Ms. Kohn, What happened to your thoughtful and deliberate approach to analysis. You are usually so much more rational. "jews need to wake up and understand just what this man is planning for the sole jewish state." First of all, Jews have proven that they flourish in a secular state where state and religion are held separate. Second of all, Obama has no plans for Israel, NONE. The US does not do Israel's planning. That is their own responsibility. Planning for the US is more than enough of a task for one human being. When Israel cannot work out its own issues, don't keep blaming the Americans. Jews do great over here come see for yourself. You might like it most people do; Jews, Arabs, Serbs, Croats, Singhalese, Tamils, Tibetans and Chinese and Taiwanese, (sometimes the Irish don't get along with the Italians). Too bad more countries can't emulate this approach. Peace. Stephen
you can but you dont.if you did you would not be posting on the site.
reading your posts i have no doubt whatsoever.
...of the population. Who gives a damn what they think???
If one reads these blog entries long enough, one begins to realize there must be a Jewish gene that governs responses to criticism of Israel. First is never address the substance of the matter; but attack the critic. He becomes either a liar or anti-semite, or both. Or, change the subject. Or, quote the critic saying something he didn't say, and then demand he defend it. You don't know that Don Boston wants Jews to act in a certain way, other than law-abiding respected citizens of the world: and not advocates for a rogue nation carrying out a 42 year harsh, humiliating occupation of Palestinians, and being in violation of more UN resolutions than any country in the world. Why don't you address the substance of what Don Boston said, rather than attack him personally. The world will think better of you for it.
Erez, American Jews' homeland is not Israel, it is America. For most American Jews, though they love Israel (Make no mistake, you arrogant ninny, they love Israel) but they love America more because it is the best country for Jews ever in the history of the world including Israel. This is their home and this is their mother land. Jerusalem is a concept that exist as much here in the US and anywhere. Peace. Stephen
"talk about calling the kettle black" i always knew you were an unreconstructed racist.what is wrong with black don boston?
Canada is a socialist country. Are you sure that, as "Libertarians" you really want to come here? Because, honestly, we would do well without another couple of neofascists trying to poison our culture...
"your culture tells you that the west bank is yours but how many will accept the crimes needed to steal it" don boston are you altogether well.your feelings for jews is not unique but there has to be a modicum of self control.
don boston and his jekyl hyde routine.a few minutes ago he was praising jews and now he foams at the mouth don boston the people of israel will decide what will happen on this land.they will go to elections and their decision will be binding.your foaming at the mouth hatred will have zero effect on us.
of them have internalized messages about Obama being an antisemitic Muslim who was born in Kenya. I wonder why?
the nation will decide who is prime minister not the sinister obama or you for that matter. today poll 93% of israelis do not support obama's interference in israeli politics. so logios you are on the extreme margin.
that is the nutty philosophy of logios. let me tell you something about obama.he spent five years in the senate and achieved nothing at all. chris matthews of msnbc who worships obama put this question to him.obama had no answer at all. five years and nothing.that is obama.
None of my Jewish-American friends were polled.
Israel is a sovereign country. If the US was not guaraqnteeing its debt, giving it billions of dollars a year and unconditionally supporting Israel no matter what it does, the US should have no say (except through the UN) about what Israel does. Stop taking and money and demanding unconditional support if what you really want is sovereignty and independence. What Israel really demands is unconditional suppport like a minor child. You can't have it both ways.
You glibly spout Israeli propaganda about the Olmert peace offer without knowing the facts. Jews typically do that. Following Olmert, Abbas discussions, Saeb Erekat, chief Palestinian negotiator said on Monday 27 Apr 2009, that Pres. Mahmoud Abbas submitted a far-reaching written peace proposal to the former Israeli govt during the final days of the Bush administration, and he, Erekat, personally presented the document to Pres. Bush during a secret trip to Washington 18 December. Abbas asked Olmert to reply to the proposal in writing, but Olmert failed to do so. Abbas had planned to bring the written agreement to a public referendum. Erekat said, Olmert responded to Abbas proposal by making public statements, but never in writing. The U.S., the EU and the Quartet had asked Olmert to make the offer binding. You seem surprised that not all Jews agree that Israel should have become a rogue nation in violation of more UN resolutions than any country in the world.
Yet you strongly support Israeli policies of "God Given Land", "Preventive/Preemptive/Existential" wars, "The Demographic Threat"..... George Soros is a self-hating Jew, Barak HUSSEIN Obama is a "N", J Street is anti-Israel, ANTI-SEMITISM, HOLOCAUST.... Listen zealots, stick up for common decency. If American Jews, or Diaspora Jews, support Bibi's or Limburger's lebensraum and racist policies, why don't you make Aliyah, grab a gun, and start fighting for the "Land of the Jews". Salaam/Shalom
cipora kohn is quite right,obama stayed twenty years with this awful pastor.weh it suited obama he dumped him.if you are telling us that obama was surprised by his pastor's views then you are even less intelligent then your simple post has indictated.
Are you really so deluded that you honestly believe that all who oppose the violation of the fundamental human rights of Palestinians are ugly, hateful anti-semites? Do you really consider it impossible for someone to care more for equal human rights than the claims made by one race or culture; that anyone who advocates the exact same human rights for all is a racist? That those who do not recognize the "special" rights claimed by Jews based on their culture and religion must hate Jews? Why cannot I not see Jews like everyone else and grant them no more and no less rights than anyone else without being a hateful anti-semite? This is the same type of moral assymetry and racism found among white supremacists in the US. You that hold this position are the racists.
you praise american jews for acting in ways that suit you and in so doing there is a calculated effort to install fear.if you do not behave in the way i expect you don boston continue then you are not patriotic. don boston in short you and your ideas are repulsive
"Most have never been to Israel, have no clue what the reality is on the ground" Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. How many of you Zionist apologists have ever been on the West Bank and seen the oppresion of the Pals, seen the casual cruelty and inhumanity all too common at the checkpoints? These are the relevant realities on the ground, not what happens within Israel itself. Some of you may be vicious racists, but I believe that most would be horrified if you knew the truth. The truth can't be known by visiting Israel proper. That's not where the crimes are being committed. Most US Jews value human rights more than the racial entitlements extremist Zionists claim. These claims are far too similar to those of white supremacists, long opposed by Jewish Americans. All people have the same rights. Jews have no more and no fewer human rights. Your culture may tell you you're entitled to the WB, but how many accept the crimes required to steal it?
When one looks back, it is clearly seen that the greater the "friendship" of a US President to Israel (meaning that he applies less pressure on Israel to pursue peace), the less is accomplished. Our greatest "friends" were Clinton and G. Dubya Bush. Clinton did everything Barak asked him to do, including in Camp David. The result: no peace, only Intifada II. Dubya Bush came up with the Roadmap, a plan but no pressure on Israel. Nothing useful resulted. Looking back at the "bad" presidents, Nixon helped Israel with military equipment in Yom Kippur, but then prevented Israel from vanquishing the Egyptian Third Army. He preserved Egypt's honor, and peace became possible. Carter was even insulting in his pressure on Begin. But he ended up godfathering the Peace Agreement with Sadat. Papa Bush was publicly pushing Shamir, even causing his regime to fall, This resulted in the Madrid Conference which led to Oslo. It is now Obama's turn to do some good. If Netanyahu is unable to freeze construction in Jerusalem while peace talks detrmine what should belong to each side (thus eating the pizza while discussing how to divide it), let him fall. We don't need zealous nuts as Prime Ministers.
Netanyahu was way out of line in announcing settlements THE SAME DAY that Biden came to discuss peace talks. It doesn't matter what your religious affiliation is to see that it was a real slap in the face to US foreign diplomacy.
These are the American Jews I've known. Jewish Americans have been at the forefront of every progressive movement in the US, including the women's movement, the labor movement, the civil rights movement and the preservation of civil liberties. The Jewish Americans I've known would never accept that one person has the right to take property from another simply because the taker is Jewish and the prior owner is not. Such active racism has been fought and largely defeated in our own country, largely with the support of the Jewish community. Only a racist could support the continued oppression of the Pals and the theft of land that every country in the World but Israel - as well as the UN - know Israel has no right to. You're entitled to your culture, history and religion, but you may not use them as a weapon to harm and steal from others. Be happy with your homeland as recognized by the vast majority of the world and there will always be a Jewish homeland.
Who did this poll. If most US jews favor Obamas approach to Israel we are in real trouble. If this is true then why don't we just give Israel to the Arabs and satisfy all those self hating jews who don't care about our people. Better yet why doesn't the 73% convert to Islam and leave Israel to us who love her.
according to this article more Jewish people support president Obama vis - a - vis Israel than Americans support Mr. Obama vis - a - vis America. Makes me think of times of Hitler in Germany... that schmuck could get probably 100% approval in similar poll.
Firstly, Olmert didn't have the nerve to publicize his proposal until he had one foot out the door. Secondly, a Jew in America or anywhere else need bow to nobody and nothing, except to common sense. And common sense dictates that until Israel purges itself of having a potential Palestinian majority by leaving the territories, it will not again be a Jewish state. Trying to hold on is a demographic time bomb waiting to explode. You can't just "wish" all those people away.
Obama has publicly condemned Minister Wright, and has done absolutely NOTHING to show that he's hostile to Israel. Hostile to Netanyahoo, sure, although Netanyahoo has deserved every bit of scorn people have for him.
"harassing of aipac personnel by the fbi" Or maybe the FBI knows something that you don't, which is most likely the case. AIPAC has proven itself to be an extremely racist organization, perhaps one of the most racist on Earth.
I am an Evangelical who supports diaspora Jews in prayer and finances. The support comes from a spirit of thanksgiving and not out of any Apocalyptic drivel. Jews in Israel: your own people in the US as a whole do not care about you. Most, but not all, are apologetic, leftist Jews with no real sense of kinship. Your only stable support are the Evangelicals. However, you have demonized us with paranoid suspicions and are driving us away. You will be on your own with no ally soon. The enemy is not the Evangelical; it is the man with a rocket or bomb pointed right at your children.
you can do anything with them."
Recognizing the source of strenght through faith becomes easier when truth is on your side. Shalom, dear friend.
...is shocking. As a Christian reading these postings, I am amazed at the deepth of bitterness in responses. The Jew vs Jew syndrone is disgusting. --Israel is a recipient of USA's welfare--therefore conditions and restictions are appropriate; Gen Petraues & Sec Gates expresses the fact that the Israeli-Pal conflicts hurts USA's security. The World changed on 9/11--Obamas' victory in '08 changed America; but israel has not adjusted to these new facts. The politically conservative (essentially the Likud party) versus a new approach (Obama's)is at the heart of the conflict. America is tied to Israel and will be for the seeable future..but the future will be a rocky road.
I am happy that someone in this forum has put these events in their proper perspective. How I wish the world would learn from you. How I wish Israel will heed. Even though the poll was manupulated as it doesnt reflect the view of American jews
yet you want to "hold israel's feet to the fire" by what right?
You wrote:the war in iraq by bush #2 strengthened the iranian regime? Of course it did.But why?because Iran suffered badly losing thousands of the population and why is acting in a very belligerent way now. Is that what you are implying?if that is the case Obama is doing nothing in a robust way to discourage Iran.All talk and no action. You voted for him?good luck to you and ilk. But I most certainly do not want him to interfer with MY COUNRY ISRAEL. Let him sort out the mess on his HOME FRONT first.Then, Afghanistan(soldiers dying daily),then Pakistan same as the first,then Korea on the doorstep of the US,lastly Iraq which are still having terrorists and killings squabbles on the elections etc.etc. Shall I go on?
It seems that a lot of people choose to ignore the fact that Mr. Obama is the president of the US. We're an independent country, and do not exist to serve the interests (real or imagined) of Israel, or any other foreign nation. I, for one, believe that holding Likud's feet to the fire is very good for Israel, but why assume that Israel's benefit should be the chief criterion for Americans, even if they are Jews.
You wrote: If an Israeli leader were to PUBLICLY put forward something like the Olmert plan! Stop right there.You have just answered your question. i.e Olmert offered much to the Arabs,but as usual all of it was REJECTED as is their wont.Since the REBIRTH of Israel culminating now in the 21st century. And if the American Jews do not see fit to rally,then tough luck for them. They are just a bunch of liberals who follow my leader types or more to the point still feel and act in their "ghetto" mentality. Even tough they apppear to have integrated,still feel like outsiders. Reluctant to call themselves Jews outright. Briefly they are ASHAMED to be Jews. By the way: There should have been a Jewish president long ago.Why not? And if anyone begins to point it out to me about the "black" factor. i.e the slaves etc,then think about it . Because the real indigenous people were not the negroes,but the RED INDIANS. Anyway,who cares about the creepy Jews who bow low to the whims of others. Therefore I say:Thank G*D for Israel.
but what has that got to do with israel.
too much emphasis is laid on the U.S. president*s foreign politics and too much power to practise foreign politics given to him, is the problem. When the U.S.A has presidential elections,the whole world should have a right to vote in them, bc so much influence has been given to the U.S.A as the world*s police to meddle in other nations internal affairs and conflicts with their neighbors. Obama has a strong sense of social justice and therefore I believe he is a very good choice for the U.S.A.; finally her poor, unfortunate population has a representative in the White House. To see the U.S.A have a president, who thinks of the well of his people is refreshing and welcome. MAYBE the U.S. needs a non-party, permanent head of foreign affairs separately? The role requires competence on history, psychology and antropology, which I don*t believe a 4 yr president or his secretary of state *ve time to plunge into and do well at.
for they know that they know not.
you may gain followers though probably unlikely. using a bludgeon the way you do with straightforward animosity and hatred for us is a a little unfashionable.though fashions are fast changing and you may well be more acceptable next year.
Thats the problem with ppl like that. They are soo narcissistic and self-absorbed.
just one poster. can't you just stick to harzion? Are you afraid people will pay less attention if you only post under one name per talk back?
Anything that anybody says against the zionist is, by its own nature, untrue! Free choice for Israeli is agreeing with them. But we have all lost our virginity, in seeing with our eyes you "chosenness".
You are entitled to your opinion but you may be wrong.If the future shows you indeed were wrong, would you admit that you were the moron?
Columnist Burt Prelutsky. Quote Of The Year Surely something must be terribly wrong with a man who seems to be far more concerned with a Jew building a house in Israel than with Muslims building a nuclear bomb in Iran ." Columnist Burt Prelutsky.
since you are not yourself jewish may i suggest that you stand aside and let american jews choose for themselves.when they appoint you let us know.
You claim American Jews need to wake up and understand just what the man is planning for the sole Jewish state. It may be beyond your ken, but consider that they are American and feel what he is planning for the American state is more important than what he plans for the Jewish state.
This result seems to me to be wrong. I know many American Jews very disillusioned with Obama's position on Israel. Howevever if the result is in fact correct my guess is the reason for it is the ignorance of American Jews as to Obama's actions.
American Jews are WELL aware that Israel lives in a rough neighborhood, and must always stay armed to the teeth to preserve itself. But we no longer consider our love for Israel as meaning we must also embrace the most radical elements or the most cynical politicians there. The Israeli "street" has become just as incapable of hearing the truth as the Arab "street". If an Israeli leader were to PUBLICLY put forward something like the Olmert plan, American Jews would rally to that leader's side-and probably so would Obama.
"My husband and I have been Libertarian for the past two years. Of course, we`re also in the process of moving to Canada, where my husband is from."Czerniak
LIE!!! We'll see Obama in 2010 and 2012 ELECTIONS !!
when a rogue poster from 'nowhere in particular' reprimands millions of American Jews for their supposed insanity we should have little difficulty in spotting where the real insanity lies. It is a fact that people with severe personality disorders commonly assume that it is the rest of the world which is dysfunctional or mad. Get treatment.
i am afraid to ask where exactly that place is.is it printable?
shows up day in and day out 365 days a year venting their animosity.same names with same bigotry and hatred. tel aviv university should do a dissertation on this phenomenon.the names of those frequent attendees are well know to all of us.
that the hatred for israel and the excuse of anti zionism is no more then the full flowering of that ugly hatred we thought was put to rest after the atrocities of the 1940s. it is a fulll renaissance of the hatred toward the minority of jews now living in europe and the united states. that is what we have to deal with.with this difference.there is now a fully fledged jewish state.a strong vibrant and confident state. that is also what makes the haters so angry.
mehmet do not forget that israel offered to leave the west bank at the camp david talks but was refused.israel offered 96% of the land. olmert offered the same deal to abbas as saeb erekat confirmed but was refused. so what is your justification mehmet when you accuse israel?
they voted for a man who for twenty years had belonged to an overtly antisemitic church. u.s. jews need to wake up and understand just what this man is planning for the sole jewish state.
Most US jews are well-educated, sound people who acknowledge the fact that a disproportional, unconditional ultra-support for Israel is no good for US and Israel itself. Most US jews were againts Bush and the war in Iraq based on false pretexts. Most US jews want peace, that is for sure. People like Bibi, Mofaz or Lieberman are darkening the seen, not the ordinary people who want normal lives for everybody.
claims that israel continues to occupy gaza suggest that a power having once occupied a territory must continue to behave toward the local population as an occupying power until all outstanding issues are resolved.this principal can only be described as "an ingenous invention".it has no basis in traditional international law.
"the israeli government does not govern gaza nor does israel exercise any government function there."washington post may 2008.
"the occupying power shall be bound for the duration of the occupation to the extent that such power exercises the function of government in such territories" israel left the strip in 2005 and stopped exercising the function of government.there can be no occupation without the exercising of the functions of government. david rivkin and lee casey confirm this truth. it is a long piece which completely rejects your position.
"the myth of the gaza occupation" by david b rivkin and lee casey printed in the washington post may 2008. they insist that where there is no function of government there is no occupation.i quoted the article yesterday at length. the above two are washinton lawyers who worked for the united nations sub-commission on human rights. they also worked for the senior bush and ronald reagan governments.
to abandon israel.letters to newspapers are plainly anti zionist and anti semitic.jews are afraid to reply. add the harassing of aipac personnel by the fbi and the pressure is becoming too powerful to resist hence organisations like j street become the favoured court jews. that is the background to the fear american jews feel in the united states.
Equal rights,justice and fairness are needed to realize a lasting peace.God forbid a Palin-rednecks-tea party-neo conservative-warmongering administration.The world doesn't strive for Armagadeon.PEACE.
since it is our necks on the line i guess our vote is the most important. knowing what is best for others is hardly the point.
note the dichotomy in the answers. 1 they think obama is right.fear. peer pressure.they are also trying to follow the herd.knowing obama is popular with the media almost like nelson mandela. 2 they dont believe obama will succeed.that is the real answer. 3 they believe the palestinians want to destroy israel, the jews believe 2 and 3.number 1 is camouflage there is more going on then the pollsters believe or understand
The reality is that much of the institutional U.S. Jewish Community -- Federation, AIPAC, Ultra-Orthodox -- does not reflect the majority of American Jews. Those of you who refuse to believe these scientifically conducted polls are part of this group-think mentality. You merely chat amongst yourselves, while missing the larger Jewish world that regards you as narrow-minded and self-absorbed.
Israel is one of the most enraging countries to watch politically, and as a Jew, one of the most depressing.
However, the experience of Israeli Jews has shown them that there is no reason, no tolerance, no respect, and no compromise from their opponents. They have consequently had to solve their problems by force and draconian civil measures. Therefore their views on how to solve their problems naturally differs radically from the views of American Jews.
and Israeli Jews are Israeli. It's normal that they have different points of view concerning what is good for Israel and what is good for Jews. Their opinions are usually formed from the environments they live in and their experiences. American Jews have always basked in a free nourishing environment of tolerance, peace, and safety. Israeli Jews have experienced aggression, terrorism, wars, and disloyalty from a large sector of their population since the day of Israel's founding. Most American Jews believe in a multicultural society where a great variety of minorities cooperate together to form the nation's fabric. Their experience has taught them that by reason, free debate, respect for others, and compromise, political progress and cooperation can be achieved. They believe that Israeli Jews could follow the same path to peace with their neighbors and minority population.
about time to see a man in u.s. standing against the arrogance of mr. netanyahu. i am jewish and i am discusted when i see mr. netanyahu cries that the rest of the world is not listening to him about the evil intention of iran. any one can tell this guy why he himself is not listening to anyone including his main supporter. i think mr.netanyahu is as much a bully as mr. ahmadinejad. if he really means peace, why doesn't he stop the building of 1600 units iin east jerosalim. stand firm with this guy mr.obama. the world is tired of these religious nuts, the televangelists, mollas, and shaas.
The results of the Poll are overall positive. Nice to see many jews and supporters of Israel in agreement with President Obama and putting some very long overdue pressure on the current right wing extremist government of Netanyahu. The right wingers charges that the poll is rigged or an outright lie or conspiracy is amusing to say the least. Thank you Haaretz, a very nice job!!
Most American Jews are more interested in currying favor with their Diaspora leaders than in protecting the Jewish homeland.
Obama and American Jews probably should concede that Israel is a sovereign country and has the right to do what it feels is necessary to maintain it's own security and freedom. Obama's actions has done nothing but alienate Israel and encourage the Muslims to demand more. Maybe he should mind his own business rather than join the rest of the Muslims in their attempt to destroy Israel. And #32 Evangelicals care about Israel in far greater numbers than American Jews do, 50 Million and growing. Only we work for peace in the country, unlike Muslims, and unlike the Oslo Jews and their land for peace canard. (Worked so well in Gaza for Sharon didn't it. 10,000 plus rockets shot into Israel by peaceful Hamas.)
I'm interested to know what you, as a proud American Jew who voted for - and intends to vote for Obama again, thinks about his handling of the Iranian threats of destruction of Israel, its race towards nuclear weapons, its arming, funding and nursing Hamas, Hezballah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and its denial of the Holocaust, which we commemorated yesterday.
The Palestinians did make concessions , they removed all of their roadblocks in central Israel and froze settlement building in Tel Aviv and stopped building their separation wall on the 48 borders . Now it is Israels turn
the way you have been, building more and more into the West Bank, keep up the huge barriers, and wage war upon one one another until everyone (on both sides) is dead. I will say this; if you keep someone down until they have nothing left to lose, then they don't care about their own life so why should they care about yours? Also, someone who has nothing left to lose is very DANGEROUS.
And let them live .for any reason p.a doesn't control Hamas Israel will have to.Americans believe settlements and settlers are a obsacle to peace .and most important Israels politics are costing us money, security,and good standing in not just the Arab world but the whole world .
You say, "Obama is clearly doing the right thing." Thanks for telling me what the right thing is regarding Israel. You may *think* it's the right thing, but that does not make it so. To be clear, I have no problem with Obama asking for Israel to bridge gaps in order to get back to negotiations. However, it would be nice if he would actually treat the Palestinian and Arab world equally by asking for any, ANY sign of good will or concession to show that they would like to meet Israel at the negotiating table. Obama's White House has been clearly one-sided in asking for concessions. That is NOT the right thing to do. The thing to do would be to be even-handed.
Jewish Americans are American first and they understand that Israel-Palestine is a core issue for everyone's security. They are not fond of settlers, who are simply land thieves.
USA liberal Jews are like the proverbial frog in the pot of water being heated slowly. Before they realize the water is boiling, it will be too late. Reagan was right..."It's not that our liberal [Jewish] friends ae ignorant, it's just that they know so much about what isn't so."
Any Jew is concerned about the future of Israel should applaud what Obama is doing. The nudnicks currently in charge of Israel (Netanyahu and his crew) are more concerned about some housing projects then with the security of Israel
REALLY??. Did you take the poll in the Gaza??
American Jews should love Obama, especially if they're ultra-Zionists. And I'm sure Netanyahu can't believe his good fortune. Obama checks a full house, then folds his hand when Netanyahu bets a pair of deuces. It may be good theater watching this nebbish blunder around the stage, but I don't think it's good for Israel in the long run.
"U.S. Jews approve of BHO?" really? just wait for November 2010." - truth be told Watch nothing but Fox do you? Don't count upon massive defection of American Jews from the democrat party to the tea party.
"I just wonder how many of these are to embareced to tell the truth or admid thar they were wrong" - Arieka The poll is probably correct. Obama tries to deal honestly and openly with people until they have made it clear that they will never deal honestly and openly with him. No one has made that more certain than Bibi Netanyahu. Obama gave him enough rope to hang himself and Bibi was so taken with his ability to humiliate, embarrass, and crap upon Obama that he took that to the point of no return. American Jews are very pro-Israel but they are not insane. Nor are they fools. Have you ever considered that American Jews are largely not Ultra-Orthodox or rabid right? That they might be more proud of a progressive Israel than an oppressive one?
You're always so down on Obama. If the goal is peace, not Armageddon, which American President's approached actually worked towards that goal, or peace? Hint: Egyptian Peace treaty signed during Carter Years. Jordanian Treaty signed during Clinton years. No treaties signed during any other American Presidents' terms. You are unlikely to see the 6-7 million American Jews leave and move to Israel, ever. Bush made zero progress and left Hamas in charge in Gaza. That hasn't worked well for many Israelis and even fewer Palestinians.
Seems those in the minority are alive and kicking.
You do not live in Israel. THEREFORE shut up!
8 million American Jews and probably a thousand polled. so your chance of being polled is very small. Polling is done on a random basis unlike the selection of people you know. A survey of people you know is meaningless. Are all of you implying that the American Jewish committee is anti Israel or anti-semitic? Please somebody hand out the emergency braincells, there seems to be a shortage here.
I'm a proud American Jew, speak fluent Hebrew and have lots of friends in Israel. I voted for Obama in 2008 and will most certainly vote for him again in 2012. With respect to Israel, he's doing what's needed. It's time to end the notion that Israel can build with impunity in the territories and not pay a price. Moreover, with respect to attitudes, most American Jews do not support Bibi's Lieberman-Shas government and don't support the settlers. Time to bring the Israeli right back to reality.
If any Americans distrust Obama when it comes to his stances regarding Israel, especially when Obama is clearly doing the right thing, then it's time to question their motives and views.
Are you kidding me? No Jew that I know approves of Obama's policy towards Israel, other than my insane, left-wing brother-in-law. This "poll" definitely smells fishy.
Baloney!! The only people that would have answered that way are ones Jews who have no clue as to what Obama is doing to Israel. He is viewed as a weak spineless appeaser.
The real data of the poll proves that a large majority of American Jews are supporting Bibi policies regarding Jerusalem and settlements.
The article says 73% think the relationship between the USA and Israel is very good. I agree. But abour Obama's handling of them, only 55% support his policies and decisions.
I'm pretty sure I know how the question was asked in this poll: How do you characterize relations today with Israel as positive or mostly positive? Apparently 27% just hung up the phone. Also, contrary to the title of the article, the question being polled had nothing to do with Obama. To declare an approval of Obama, the question should have been: "How do you consider Obamaa's approach to Israel, poor or very poor?"
The polls are not the matter. the matter is that the Jewish vote is not big of a vote to affect a popular president. This is the guy who is so clean, not even a piece of dust to tarnish his reputation. The stuff they tried before didn't work and he is going and going like energizer.
There is a big difference between Jews and Judases.
Re: The President and Israel. Personally, I know many Jews who support a two-state solution and are very pleased about Obama putting some pressure on Bibi. Some wish he'd be tougher on Israel's current govt. Obviously it depends with whom you're speaking: Most liberal/moderates support the President, and much of the Orthodox and all rightwing neo-Cons do not. Remember, a large majority of American Jews voted for Obama. They like him and consequently generally like what he stands for. No big surprise here.
The fact that you haven't shown the change in opinion since 2008 is obviously because fewer US Jews support Obama now than they did then. Moreover, reporting only the figures that suit you and ignoring the rest is poor journalism at best and outright dishonesty at worst.
10% said positive. 63% said "somewhat positive". That means less than positive. Maybe your writers can't speak English properly. Also, the survey began on March 2 which was 13 days before the "crisis" went public. Do you think that might have had an impact? I guess, Haaretz just wants to see Israel commit suicide.
How credible are you when you distort the numbers given? If Obama received 78% of the Jewish vote in 2006 but only 53% favor his policies now- how is that approval? That sounds like 1/3 of Jewish voters for Obama have lost faith in him. But of course, the leftist press will distort and twist everything.
This is so not true! As an American Jew, I do not know of any Jew who agrees with Obama's heavy handed Arab kissing approach with Israel. The situation with Netanyahu's visit to Washington, the US intervening in Israeli internal political decisions is outrageous.
Are you going to sit there and claim you cannot find any Obama supporters on the Lower East Side?
The right-wingers posters in this Talkback appear to be grinding their teeth in frustration that American Jews not only have failed to reject Pres. Obams, but view him favourably. Even though you hate him for not being a doormat for Israeli interests, you're going to have to live with the reality, folks.
i am jewish, born to israeli parents. i believe that obama is sincere, and not naive. the war in iraq by bush #2 strengthened the iranian regime, and that this was and continues to be very damaging towards israel. i am definitely not a pacifist, however respect is a two-way street when it comes to international (and human) relations.
Only 55 % of Jews think Obama is doing it well accordig to this article. The 73 % is about relations between US and Israel in general.
Thats funny because I have yet to meet an american jew who supports him and do not myself as an american jew... who exactly were they polling?
Israelis often don't acknowledge and don't perceive reality because they are imprisoned in a picture and don't see beyond its frame. American Jews, unlike Israelis, are located beyond the frame and can observe both the frame and the picture within.
The only ones in the entire world who don't approve Obama's Mid East policy are Israeli Jews and their elected right-national government
First I would have to read the complete poll and the answers given. It seems as if almost all of the Jews I know are in the "minority." VERY few approve of Obama and his approach. Most feel that his middle name is leading the way.
I'm really not sure who these people are surveying. Every Christian I know supports Isreal and is baffled at the Treatment of Isreal by Obama. I watched Sarah Palin at the Southern republican confernce last week Say . I have some news for you Mr Obama "Jerusalem is not a settlement and Isreal is our friend." When she made this comment there was a roar of applause from the Audience members. So Who are they polling ?
An optimist is the guy that,while falling from the 150th's floor to the ground,when he passes by the 100th's floor he thinks to himself:-"So far so good..."
Poll: "Most U.S. Jews approve"..... Say. Are they off their rocker !?
Yes, I believe these results to be correct. OK, most American Jews may not agree on how Obama has behaved during the recent visit of Netanyahu, but they trust that Obama's heart is in the right place.
everyone i have spoken with has the exact opposite view. It does not matter as barak hussein obamba is a one time pres anyway
I was not polled. I didn't vote for Obama, nor do I approve of his treatment of Israel. In any case, calling 55% most is simply semantics. If anything, allowing for statistical differences, it's probably close to 50/50 which means nearly half of US Jews disapprove of their president. Very sad indeed when close to 80% voted for him. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Vote Republican in 2012!!
There is no way this poll is accurate. His approach is drek.
Polls: The article says it all. Here it is and believable: Despite American Jews' positive outlook on Obama and Israel-U.S. relations, their expectations for a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is less optimistic with 72 percent of respondent saying their view on an improvement in the situation has remain unchanged since the previous year. We could?ve told them that,even without the polls. The majority of those polled agreed that the goal of Arabs is the "destruction of the state of Israel," with 80 percent believing peace cannot be achieved with a Hamas-led Palestinian government. Absolutely spot on. On the subject of Iran, American Jews are almost equally divided for and against the way the Obama administration is handling the issue of a nuclear Iran with 62 percent of respondents saying they would support Israel taking military action against Iran. Seee? We Israelis knew what we were talking about,unlike President Obama fiddling with resorting to ?talk? or even sanctions which are not a soluble unless they increase them harshly to hurt the Iranian economy further than it is already.
Nothing surprising about the survey. American Jews largely support a 2-state solution and see Obama doing his best. Moreover, Bibi's Lieberman-Shas government holds views on a wide range of issues that are diametrically opposed to the views of most American Jews, most notably on religious pluralism issues, but not just. Obama will be reelected with the vast majority of the Jewish vote (but maybe not the 78% he got in 2008).
I don't like Obama's approach at all. Obama seems to want to be effectual without consideration for the long term consequences. He's young, ambitious, and don't know the territory. He has unjustifiedrespect for Arabs. He's ignoring American ideological objectives in the ME in favor of short term gain at a time when oil can, will, and must be of less imporance as a world energy source. He has sorely underestimated the imporance of Israel and conflict to the USA military-industrial complex money machine. No conflict, no profits!
Why pick out just that one statistic when you could equally have mentioned that 57% approve of the Netanyahu government's handling of US/Israel relations. Or that 45% are opposed to a Palestinian state. Or that 34% say that no settlements at all should be removed. And that 61% say that Israel's capital, Jerusalem should remain undivided.
Not sure what poll they are referring to, but as an american jew and hundreds of other I know, do not trust Obama's approach or motives where Israel is concerned.
USA Jews have been historically committed to human rights and justice. They marched in Selma. They supported health care reform. They supported many of the labor and social services movements over the years. The USA Jews are awakening to the nature of Israel's govenments and the occupation of Palestine. Israeli leaders have been operating with disdain towards the USA and its values. They have also operated with disdain towards the very tenets of the Jewish faith which support truth and social justice. The last year has demonstrated that it is not Israel that is under attack from the Palestinians. Instead Israel has waged a war on our deepest and most honored values.
The poll reflect my views pretty well, and the numbers suggest the usual split between the minority of Orthodox Jews on one side and the majority of Conservative and Reform Jews on the other.
I haven't read the poll or poll data yet but I'm struck by two facts reported by Haaretz. First, it's a poll conducted by the AJC. Second, the poll draws a distinction between American Jews' attitudes about U.S.-Israel relations generally on the one hand and their attitude toward President Obama's handling of U.S.-Israel relations. While this might be an important distinction if the results had been different, the fact that a majority favors both demonstrates that even the American Jewish community has become impatient with Israel's heavy handed approach to issues in the occupied territories. I hope someone is listening.
The figures published reflect the temporary state US Jews are in. As antisemitism grows in the US, and it is, Jews will understand better that Obama has not been good for Israel and is help making this world a far more dangerous place for Jews. They will also understand that without Israel they are in big trouble.
Contrary to all the Obama slamming I read on talkback here, this is exactly what I have suspected. After all many of Obama's main advisors are Jews - how far from the mainstream do you think they would be? It would be interesting if the poll had gone to ask what American Jews think of the Netanyahu governments approach to settlements and peace. But I guess unless we're on the Right - we all hate ourselves.
i WAS NOT POLLED OR MY FRIENDS. wHO DID THEY ASK i KNOW OF KNOW ONE THAT LIKES OR APPROVES OF HIS POLICY TOWARDS iSRAEL. hE HAS MADE THE pAL STRONGER THAT IS ALL
I know of no one who agrees with Obama on his handling of Israel. These numbers are whacked.
I just wonder how many of these are to embareced to tell the truth or admid thar they were wrong
they did not ask me or any of my friends.. Crack-pot poll...
A fact often denied by zionists (perhaps they don't want to deal with it) is that American Jews are American, and, as such, feel US interests are more important than those of Israel.
Most US Jews are morons if they think Obama's approach to Israel is the right one. Most have never been to Israel, have no clue what the reality is on the ground, and get all their info from the NY times and cnn. Quite a large number don't give a damn about Israel. FYI, I am a US Jew. What exactly is Obama's approach? Seems like it is for Israel to concede everything and the Palestinians NOTHING ! Maybe Israel will be rewarded with rockets from the West bank like they got from Gaza after they pulled out.
Dont know who was polled... but I have not spoken to one person who agrees with the way the relationship is being handled. That is for jew and non jew alike. This is pure spin.
I am warning all Jews and Christians around the world. The completion of the Hebrew Messianic prophecies is nearing its final decision time. As were the days of Roman occupation and King Herod's delusions, Israel chose a man named Barrabas over Yeshua. Throughout the diaspora, the Holocaust,and uptil 1948, anybody could have made me an atheist believing only the fittest would survive. But I was born right after the rebirth of Israel, as was Netanyahu. We saw Israel from the risen "ashes and bones" come alive. We saw the dream of recapturing Jerusalem in 1967. And still, Israel fails to call on Yeshua in the perils of its existence. It is the final prophecy and test for Israel and the Covenants' day in front of the Seat of Justice, to settle all claims against our Fathers' House. Choose well. my brothers and sisters, fulfill the Coming Day of the Lord. I know who will betray Israel, this time its not about the sacrifice of Redemption. It's about Judgement. And Jerusalems' Beacon.
We are here to make peace, not to expand. The announcement of the new settlements should not have been put in process and Netanyahu has every right to be criticized.
Proves what I have always thought. Jews are good people but it's the Israeli's who are douche-bags.
I am ashamed of my fellow American Jews. Obama is a disaster for Israel.
Liberal American Jews seem to be in a difficult position. On the one hand the democratic party is their natural home, and they have a president that is forwarding a social justice agenda that matches their values. on the other hand this same president it hostile to the place of their prayers and thoughts, Israel. Trying to force Israel into making concession after unilateral concession which will only damage Israel. For a more indepth examination of this problem see http://bit.ly/cIdu18
American Jews are increasingly disappointed in Obama's policy regarding Israel! My husband and I have been Libertarian for the past two years. Of course, we're also in the process of moving to Canada, where my husband is from.
In fact I saw Mayor Koch on Fox news last week and he said if he had known Obama's attitude toward Jerusalem, he wouldn't have voted for him. My family and friends in America feel the same.
Family in the us.