Sephardic Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar wants to scuttle the state's plan to recognize some Reform and Conservative rabbis and pay them with public funds.
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I don't believe that there should be movements within Judaism. I have
not found one single scripture that would justify there existing any
movements. I am a member of a Temple, however I am not part of any
movement. I'm just attending the Temple that is closest to my home and
that happens to be the Reform Temple. To accept a movement is like
setting a fence around yourself. That is as far as you allow yourself to
travel. I am free to explore and live my life within Judaism as I feel
the conviction to do so. The only thing that changes between people is
the level of observance. We study all the same laws as everyone else,
and there are people like myself that fill the conviction to follow the
law. I am a Sephardic jew that just happens to attend a Reform Temple.
If the Reform Temple was not there I wouldn't have a Temple to go to.
There are non-observant jews in the Reform movement, as there are the
same in every other movement as well. Maybe there are more because they
feel more comfortable within Reform, but all of Judaism is available to
them. No one will look down upon them for following the law if they
decide to. I attend both study groups, the Reform and Chabad. I learn a
lot from both groups. I don't belong to a movement, I belong to a
people. Movements should not exist. We need to close the gap and just
all be a people again.
I would have left long ago if it hadn't been for my activity in the
Masorti Movement. And I have now been here thirty-nine years !!!
Whatever anyone thinks, they serve a purpose. And anyway, they should
sort out their own factions before they talk. eg in my neighbourhood, an
orthodox rabbi was having a passover dinner , and his selling point was
double washing all the plates etc. As if to to say I am more kosher then
the Orthodox Rabbi in the next neighbourhood. Whats all that about ?
The problem with reform Judaism, is that they make uninformed Jews
believe that they practice Judaism, while they aren't. Reform Judaism is
an invention of our times, to remove the boundaries between Jews and
non-Jews, and to make the observance of true Judaism easier, a way to
make people feel better, because it is official. Christianism as well
'reformed' Judaism, but they didn't call it Reform Judaism..... Call
Reform Judaism, whatever name one wants, but don't trick people into
thinking that they observe Judaism.
I think the most important value of a Jewish state should be that every
Jew gets to decide for himself/herself what it means for them to be
Jewish. It is unacceptable that in the US, Jews have much more freedom
of religion than in Israel!
But today it is conducted by a Sephardic Jew (Jew of Spanish oprigin)
and not by Christian Sefarad (Spain).
no one person or group has a monopoly. More power to the reformers.
The quest to find the right answer becomes more compelling because they
assimilate and /or leave even with parental pressure. Ask the
individuals who do not practice Rabbi Shlomo Amar's Orthodoxy,
something about the dogma doesn't appeal to them. Obvious the fault
lies with the teacher because if the class is asleep and/ or is leaving
the classroom, you can only assume that the teacher's methods are not
effective. Thank G-D for the Conservative and Reform movement. Without
them many more would be lost. Perhaps Shlomo you should start finding
ways to embrace them, incorporate them and respect them. One other
thing - please drop the uniform, you look dictatorial.
The faiths of Abraham are under attack from within, from out and from
each other. These are dark days for the people of the faith. It doesn't
matter from which branch of the faith you belong – your future and
the faith is dependent on one another. How can you fight or guard
against what so few seem to understand? How can you hear when your ears
are so full of self righteousness? Given the darkness that seems to lay
so thick and heavy, everywhere – how can one hope to see? When
you can stand together; on the rock, that gave each of you your faith
– you will see the light of our G_D shine -our G_D is bigger then
all of us together. It is together that we will see the truth. This is
both the power and the weakness of the faith: it is each persons weight
-to embrace or reject.The perception of people who practice the faiths
of Abraham; blind them to the purpose and the source of the faiths
– what do you have, when you miss the point? What happens when you
lose sight of the source; in favor for the perception of your own mind?
If any person of the faiths of Abraham were to kneel before G_D –
their perception of G_D would be different -but G_D remains the same. He
is too large for one person to know alone. The judgments that people
take, that is not theirs to make give what feeds the dark- a cruel
irony. The choice is simple – you are either one who believes or
one who does not and only one knows the answer to this.The Sephardi are
right to be concerned but I cant say if what they are concerned about is
truly the problem.You will all be called someday – your best to be
prepared to hear that call – when that call comes -wherever you
are – from all four corners of the world - you will have the
choice to flow into the streets and return what has been stolen -life
– or continue doing what you have been doing; nothing. Its already
started. You all, are the water of our lord -let it flow. We came from
one -it is time we became one.
Mr. (Rabbi) Amar ... It is exactly because of the "the assimilation
that is eating into us and depleting us" that we need to recognize
conservative and reform streams of Judaism to attract the majority of us
who are rapidly being lost because Orthodoxy does not "speak"
to them. Moreover, let us not forget the "unity of the Jewish
People" and come to grips with the vibrant Conservative and Reform
support we have from Jewish communities abroad. Do not split our
people, Mr. (Rabbi) Amar! Barry Beger (Kiryat Tivon)
Israel is a democracy not a Theocracy. religious pluralism will make the
I think the rabbi is mistaken, the othodox contrary to the belief of
some, do not represent the true spirt of Judasim. Orthodoxy stuck on
16th century mores & morals needs to be updated. Their inability to
accept modern reality towards women, electricity and urban life perhaps
is doing more damage than the other streams of Judism. Also isn't about
time we become 1 people with a 1 chief rabbi?
They made a hundredth anniversity they couldnt find one Jewish
descendent of their original membership all had assimilated. Reform is
very very bad forJudaism and the Jewish people
That's dubious. Temple Emanuel has a great history of families staying
memebers their lineage extends for generations.
Democratization's time has come.
"rabbi" Amar feels his position and monopoly being threatened.
Unfortunatelty for him, it is time to realize that there is no
"one" way to God. All paths of peace are paths of the Torah as
"all paths of the Torah are paths of peace".
I recently moved to the States, I'm an orthodox jew from Italy. I can
only agree with Rav Amar. It's a balagan here....
Then go back to Italy. Or better yet, go to Israel. And don't go to a
country to bad-mouth your hosts. It's tacky.
Even one former Chief Rabbi.
Hey buddy, Jews don't have a pope. And if they did you wouldn't be it.
Speak for yourself.
Because some rabbis 2000 years ago made an unproven claim? Anyone who
examines Judaism scientifically will conclude that Orthodox belief has
no valid support.
The time has come for all humans of the world to recognize that peace
will arise not out of steadfast adherence to outdated beliefs, but out
of mutual respect and dialog. As a species, we have sojourned too long
in a world of superstition and belief in supernatural phenomena. We have
a well developed method for investigating nature and recognizing
reality. We do not need magical thinking and supernatural explanations
to substitute for reality. Nor do we need to defer to entrenched
clerical royalty. We do not need to justify the violation of the ethical
tenets professed by the religious in the very name of religion. It is
high time that nations cease to lift swords against nations; that no
longer we learn war anymore.
Judaism is often referred to as the first monotheistic religion. As in
all things made by man, man also has an obsession with improving things
over time. Thus was born conservative and reform Judaism. As in all
religions, men that have their authority and power based in that
religion do not want it changed. It is all a giant ego trip painted
over with humanistic and mystical self righteousness. It is nott
particular to Jews, but this is a great example.
No one elected these guys. (Always guys, never ladies.) Who are they to
speak out as authorities on anything aside from religious fanaticism.
In the fine British movie, "Kind hearts and Coronets", the
narrator remarks about how in Britain the fool of the family, the one
who is incapable of doing anything productive, is sent to the clergy. I
think in Israel they do the same thing. BTW, why do these guys have to
Rabbi Amar is acting within his public post as Chief Rabbi. it is His
job to decide on religious matters, the least of which is if the State
should decide who can be a rabbi and who cannot. I respect Him and
honor His decision, He should be the one deciding this matter and not politicians.
I think the Rabbinate is going to regret making a fight out of this. It
will finally motivate Israelis to demand separation of religion from
state and no branch of Judaism will get subsidies. But in the end, that
may be a better answer.
This rabbi is totally disconnected from what will, I believe, prove to
be the most sensible move for the good of Israeli society. It seems that
many Israelis don't want to be totally secular or totally orthodox. The
reform and conservative movements are the best alternatives, offering a
middle ground for Israelis to feel comfortable within. Naturally, the
first step in truly legitimizing these movements within the country is
to recognize the legitimacy of their rabbis, and consequently, the
legitimacy of these movements' ideologies.
Just look at what the two groups have done in the US. Jews are
marrying christans every day and people think nothing of it. Their great
grandparents would be turning in their graves if they could see what has
happened to their childrens children. Something they beleived so
strongly that they died for is lost by the two groups. All our Jewish
morals are being lost because of assimilation. Look at how many
assimilation Jews are in jail because they never learned the Torah and
it rules. We are to be a light unto all nations.
Time to retire this anachronistic, quaint but ultimately silly custom of
"chief rabbis." Half have been dull normal, all are political toadies.
the reform rabbis in the u.s. would marry a dog and a cat for a price.
even for a big price
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