Some 7.1 percent of Israeli Jews define themselves as Reform or Conservative, according to the soon-to-be-released Israeli Democracy Index for 2013.
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In the Mediteranean, the "relidious infrastructures" mirror
the way most of the population identify religiously. There is no such
thing as an Italian that isn't Roman Catholic, or would not get married
by a priest, or follow any other "pulbic aspect" of that
community that wasn't Catholic. Whether the person is devout is another
matter, whether they go to Confession, or Recieve Mass is another issue.
In Greece, too, its the same. In Islanic countries, we have leaned that
even the most secular leaders are expected to follow some sort of pro
forma Islam, though the level personal observance may not by in synch
with their public statements. Only among us Jews where we have
influnences from Galut, does "denominationalism" occur. Even
in Western Europe, the Consistorial system unites the pro forma
"Orthodox" with those Jews that may be called non-Halachically
Observant Jews--no agendas, just Jews. Obvioously it puts some
contraints on the non-Halachially observant Jews, and discomfort, to
some extent among those Jews that are stringent, but it seems to work.
The trouble begins when North American Jews come with their notions that
a Jewish community is defined by a "synagogue" or
"temple" and each Jew indentifies as an individual, rather
than part of a collective. It might work in the States, but I fear
there are more Mesorati Jews that are "not Conservative" than
Mesorati-Conservative Jews in this country. The former accept the
Rabbinate, even if they don't observe its dictates as strictly, while
the latter imagines they are still in New Jersey, or Skokie, or . . .
Italy, like other European countries, allows both civil and religious
marriage. It is certainly not the case that no Italian would get
married without a priest.
it depends on how "secular" the Roman Catholic is in Italy,
or in any other pro forma Christian nation a couple is as to whether
they go "through the motons" of a religious ceremony, or keep
to the civil ceremony. My guess is that many otherwise secular young
people do "both" so the more devout family members will be happy.
As the poll shows, only a minority of those how identify with the R and
C movements actually attend services at their congregations. I live next
to the one and only non-Orthodox congregation (it is Conservative) in my
town in Israel and they have services only Friday Nite and Saturday
morning. Considering how the C movement finally decided to count women
in a minyan, one would think that there would be 3 times a day prayers
in their congregation as the Orthodox do. Apparently identifying as
Conservative or Reform and then actually carrying out the practices they
claim to require are two different things. If they don't get a
motivated layity like the Orthodox have, they will never have any impact
Did they count their intermarried children in the 7 percent?
Maybe they can't even get to their synagogues to daven, worship,
participate in services, or do anything else that they would normally do.
Perhaps a good point about the Conservative movement, but the Reform
movement doesn't "require" anything except study and for
people to consider why they would or would not want to incorporate
various traditions into their Jewish practice.
Conservative Judaism decided to call itself "traditional
Judaism" in Hebrew, which makes literally no sense. I am curious
what the wording of the survey questions was, and whether those 7.1
percent were clear on what it is they were apparently asserting.
It would be interesting to see what the questions they asked were, and
how they were worded.
The survey taker here is not known for being unbaised against religious people...
The wording was "Conservative" and not "Masorti"
Were you one of the people polled or one of the people doing the polling?
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