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I want the Palestinians to win
By Bradley Burston
Tags: Palestinians, Bradley Burston 

"I and the majority of the Palestinian people are ready for a historic agreement based on international decisions that will allow a Palestinian and Israeli state to coexist, side by side, in peace and stability."

Jailed Fatah leader Marwan Barghouti, in letter to be read at ceremony marking 30th anniversary of Peace Now movement.


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hese are devastating times for people who believe that the Palestinians need and deserve and will live to see a state of their own. A poll taken last month showed that 68 percent of Palestinians believe that the chances for the establishment of a Palestinian state during the next five years are non-existent or weak.

That same poll found that fully 84 percent of the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza supported the Mercaz Harav yeshiva massacre which killed eight students, and that nearly two-thirds back Gaza rocket attacks against Sderot and Ashkelon in southern Israel.

Opponents of Palestinian statehood, right-wing and religious Jews and Christians at the fore, have seized on the poll as conclusive proof that Israel must abandon efforts aimed at aiding a two-state solution.

They have also pointed to the crushing despair of the Palestinians as evidence that Israel is finally winning an epic struggle for the future of the Holy Land. They quote Zakariya Zubeidi, until recently the charismatic commander of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades militia in the West Bank flashpoint of Jenin:

"We failed entirely in the intifada," Zubeidi told Haaretz's Avi Issacharoff in an interview published at the weekend.

"We haven't seen any benefit or positive result from it. We achieved nothing. It's a crushing failure. We failed at the political level - we didn't succeed in translating the military actions into political achievements ... We are marching in the direction of nowhere, toward total ruin. The Palestinian people is finished. Done for."

The right has taken a degree of satisfaction in this turn of events, even a measure of credit. The assumption has long been that in a battle of this tenacity, there can be but one winner.

It's a useful assumption if what you're after, deep down, is a guarantee that settlements will stay right where they are, with new ones to follow, and no end of new housing for veteran enclaves. It's a useful assumption if you believe that settlements are essential to Israel's security and its future.

I must, therefore, beg the right's pardon when I say that in the long run, the assumptions appear to me to be dead wrong.

I'm a fairly patriotic sort, as these things go. A California native, I truly love the nation, and especially the state, of my birth. I love this, my adopted homeland, no less. I deeply want Israel to be a success. And that is why I wanted the Palestinians to win.

Not win as in "throw the Jews in the sea." Not win as in "set the ground ablaze under the Jews' feet."

Win as in "gain what the Jews have gained - independence, statehood, responsibility over their own fate, and a sense of proportion over what is attainable in a world and a region of limited resources and manifold hopes."

When I was first here, and young, and knew nothing, it seemed to me that a prerequisite for a viable, thriving and, yes, permanent Israel was to have a neighbor state of Palestine that was itself viable, thriving and permanent.

I spoke with many Palestinians who felt the same. Their vision of the future was an independent country alongside Israel, a place in which Palestinians could earn a respectable living, live calm lives and raise well-educated children free of undue fear, ire, and resentment.

They bore wounds, emotional and, in some cases, physical, having directly to do with Israel. There were going to be ways in which, no matter how a deal was cut, Palestinians would be forced to swallow a number of doses of injustice. As would the Israelis. There were past injustices, lost birthrights, dashed hopes, shattered promises, which would never be redressed.

Still, the Palestinians with whom I chanced to speak, some of whom I came to work with and know, believed that a peace, an actual peace, a sulha to put a halt to a horrible history, would come with two states, Israel and Palestine.

Later on, when secret peace talks in Oslo yielded agreement between bitter enemies, there was a shocking sense of elation on both sides. It seemed that the path to two states had been found.

I know. You're not supposed to say that anymore. People on my side, people who have never spoken to a Palestinian in their lives, are doubtless cracking their knuckles at this point, getting ready to set me straight about these people, why the very word Oslo is an obscenity, why those Jews who spearheaded the process were criminals, why those Jews who supported it were dupes at best and traitors at worst.

It is in the direct interest of hardliners to do everything in their power to convince their side that this is a zero-sum game, that only one side can emerge triumphant.

In fact, though, there are two additional options, the first, of course, being that both sides can lose. The second, the one of which we've largely lost sight, is that with an element of compassion, both sides can win.

There are well over three million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, and they are not about to go anywhere. We lack the will, the capability and, in fact, the failure of conscience that it would take to persuade or force them to leave.

There are more than seven million Israelis, and they are not going anywhere either. A poll conducted last month by Tel Aviv University's Tami Steinmetz Center showed that 82 percent of Israeli respondents said rocket attacks either had no bearing on their decision to stay in Israel, or even strengthened their resolve to do so.

True, peace, as a concept and a hope, has gone underground. But a close examination of all recent polls showing the depths of Israeli and Palestinian fear and anger, is that a majority on both sides still believes in a two-state solution - even people who, for the present at least, reject the idea of negotiations, argue for attacks against the other side, and have no faith in their leaders or the those of the enemy.

It may be many years before Palestinians and Israelis can again begin to feel confident in a future that promises their children life. But we can none of us abide this present, a reality in which we kill their children and they kill ours, in which we kill their hopes and they ours.

If there is to be peace, people who have sacrificed and suffered, Israelis and Palestinians alike, will face further sacrifices, further pain, further renunciation of long-held dreams. This is the cost of peace. There are those who will continue to try to convince their side that the price of permanent war is somehow preferable.

I am no longer young, but I still want the Palestinians to win. For that to happen, both sides have a lot of growing up to do. I hope I live to see it.


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  1.   Of course he does - took 60 yrs for him to admit it! 18:47  |  pace306 07/04/08
  2.   Leftist dribble-as usual 19:57  |  Michael 07/04/08
  3.   The solution is just more of the same 21:37  |  Samir 07/04/08
  4.   What`s this about the `Palestinian` people..... 21:40  |  Dolly 07/04/08
  5.   How can I say `I want the Plestinans to win`... 21:48  |  Natasha 07/04/08
  6.   To Samir # 3 - When you say Palestinians...... 22:52  |  Dagma 07/04/08
  7.   Me too, some of them, at least. 23:36  |  JP 07/04/08
  8.   wishful thinking 00:12  |  Simon 08/04/08
  9.   Nice to see the neanderthal`s commenting 03:44  |  housam 08/04/08
  10.   Dagma, Palestinians is a nation 04:16  |  Bruce 08/04/08
  11.   housam #9 04:52  |  Bruce 08/04/08
  12.   JP #7 04:54  |  Bruce 08/04/08
  13.   More of the eloquence I have come to expect from Bradley Burston 06:27  |  newageblues 08/04/08
  14.   Palestinian Rule ie Islamic Rule 07:09  |  Rabbi Yitzchok Wolf 08/04/08
  15.   Bradley what executive power does the PM of Israel have? 07:09  |  thinker 08/04/08
  16.   One State Solution for peace and security 08:48  |  Yohan 08/04/08
  17.   One State Solution for peace and security 08:54  |  Yohan 08/04/08
  18.   I DON`T WANT ISRAELIS TO WIN 09:04  |  indrajaya 08/04/08
  19.   Its Hard to Hope 09:23  |  ERSB 08/04/08
  20.   One State Solution for peace and security 09:30  |  Yohan 08/04/08
  21.   Where re the Voices of the Moderate Palestinians 09:53  |  Onlooker 08/04/08
  22.   The good, the bad and the ugly all find their way here 09:56  |  just a jew 08/04/08
  23.   Nice sentiment Bradley, but you avoided the sticky part 09:57  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  24.   Bradley right on focus... 10:02  |  Esther 08/04/08
  25.   Bradley, I hate to say this, but they are winning 10:03  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/04/08
  26.   Ok. Let the Philistines win and the country turned to 10:30  |  Yohan 08/04/08
  27.   "...Evidence that Israel is finally winning an epic struggle..." 10:48  |  Swiss (Dino) 08/04/08
  28.   Israel is not a state 10:54  |  Marilyn 08/04/08
  29.   #21 Natallie Durson`s peace version ... 10:55  |  Yohan 08/04/08
  30.   Yohan ... You say that you are against evacuation? 11:04  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  31.   #15 to the non-thinker 11:05  |  Hastaroth 08/04/08
  32.   a matter of morality 11:07  |  x-ray 08/04/08
  33.   Do Most Palestinians Want Peace? 11:10  |  dyinglikeflies 08/04/08
  34.   Independence, statehood, responsibility over their own fate 11:14  |  Victor 08/04/08
  35.   ONLY SOLUTION: GAZA UNDER EGYPT; PARTS OF W.BANK LINKED TO JORDAN 11:15  |  G.Marcus 08/04/08
  36.   Definitions 11:16  |  Choni Davidowitz 08/04/08
  37.   ENTIRE CONFLICT EXPLAINED IN LESS THAN 20 LINES 11:19  |  G.Marcus 08/04/08
  38.   Natalie has eyes but does not see 11:24  |  ERSB 08/04/08
  39.   "Gaza under Egypt, WB to Jordan" 11:31  |  Linichka 08/04/08
  40.   #33 a thought 11:36  |  Michael II 08/04/08
  41.   #@8 marylin at the 4 ale bar again! 11:40  |  victor hardman 08/04/08
  42.   ERSB - I think that you are quite mistaken 12:02  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  43.   Durson if the Arab world wants peace 12:16  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 08/04/08
  44.   Very well said 12:18  |  Steve 08/04/08
  45.   To G Marcus: Very well put 12:41  |  Abraham 08/04/08
  46.   Margie in Tel Aviv 12:43  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  47.   Win for pals=pal "right of return".Cutie Burston roots for 12:43  |  Absolute Sweden 08/04/08
  48.   Bradley the hardliner 12:50  |  Purple Canary 08/04/08
  49.   aljazeera and indrajaya are of one mind and that will prevent 12:58  |  POP 08/04/08
  50.   Margie in TA is loosing it. 13:20  |  Ibrahim 08/04/08
  51.   To Marilyn # 28 - "Israel is not a Sate` !!! 13:30  |  Dolly 08/04/08
  52.   Natalie - You`re Wrong 13:53  |  ERSB 08/04/08
  53.   Mr. Burston P1 14:04  |  TonyL 08/04/08
  54.   Which International Decisions, Barghouti? 14:07  |  Jeff Northridge 08/04/08
  55.   Bradley Burston P2 14:11  |  TonyL 08/04/08
  56.   Durson true the Saudi Proposal is `wonderful` for the Arabs 14:15  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 08/04/08
  57.   Ibrahim is loosing it 14:16  |  Abdulah 08/04/08
  58.   Ibrahim your tone is illustrative of how much you want peace 14:16  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 08/04/08
  59.   ERSB - You posts have devolved to the party line 14:19  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  60.   How easy to write and how difficult to understand ! 14:21  |  Akram Zekaria 08/04/08
  61.   Bradley, I am afraid that Cipora #25 has it right, not you. 14:28  |  S 08/04/08
  62.   there are no winners or losers 14:37  |  Lynn 08/04/08
  63.   25# Cipora, they are winning what ? 14:40  |  Akram Zekaria 08/04/08
  64.   Margie in Tel Aviv - OK, what`s your idea of a peace plan? 14:52  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  65.   #8..wishful thinking? 14:56  |  Fares 08/04/08
  66.   I want Israel to resoundingly defeat the "Palestinians". 15:00  |  Chaim 08/04/08
  67.   Natallie Durson # 46 The Arab Ultimatum 15:00  |  Jeff Northridge 08/04/08
  68.   to 63 Fares 15:13  |  Simon 08/04/08
  69.   When Qassams Fall, Israel Reclaims More Of its Homeland. 15:13  |  Alex 08/04/08
  70.   The melting pot - a solution 15:19  |  Ethel 08/04/08
  71.   to # 41 hard man 15:20  |  Simon 08/04/08
  72.   TERRORISTS & LEFTISTS ARE ONE & THE SAME!!! 15:25  |  Nuri Goldman 08/04/08
  73.   Natallie 15:30  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 08/04/08
  74.   Perfidious Bradley. I Will return And Comment Further . 15:30  |  KATHY 08/04/08
  75.   THE PROBLEM: Israel is not sincere about a peaceful settlement 15:34  |  Eric 08/04/08
  76.   Jeff Northridge - It`s all acedemic anyway 15:47  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  77.   Why are Palestinians denied or put in quotes? 15:52  |  SeesBothSides`Points 08/04/08
  78.   Saudi `Initiative` 15:54  |  Roo 08/04/08
  79.   MARILYN # 28 - When will `Palestinins` learn 15:56  |  arrabella 08/04/08
  80.   Ethel from Chicago 15:56  |  Purple Canary 08/04/08
  81.   #10 Bruce re:Palestinians is a nation.And the Moon is A Baloon! 15:58  |  Ross 08/04/08
  82.   This article bring tears keep dreaming 16:10  |  Abdul Aziz Higazi 08/04/08
  83.   I want them to win too 16:16  |  Igor 08/04/08
  84.   Natallie Durson # 59 Settlement Expansion 16:19  |  Jeff Northridge 08/04/08
  85.   Alex 16:24  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  86.   Margie as judge and jury 16:59  |  Ibrahim 08/04/08
  87.   Natallie Durson # 64 The Northridge Peace Plan 17:00  |  Jeff Northridge 08/04/08
  88.   extremism at work: why are Palestinians put in quotes or denied? 17:01  |  SeesBothSides`Points 08/04/08
  89.   I dont want the Palestinians to win anything 17:06  |  Curtis Jackson 08/04/08
  90.   What the palestinians really want... 17:07  |  Walter 08/04/08
  91.   #71 and simple simon sez, hold up your hands 17:15  |  victor hardman 08/04/08
  92.   Mr Burston, Natalie Durson is from California too. 17:22  |  Robert/Montreal 08/04/08
  93.   Israel winning another Intifada 17:26  |  Tosefta 08/04/08
  94.   The Bottom Line Mr. Burston 17:28  |  Mark Lincoln 08/04/08
  95.   #59 Facts for Natalie who never reads my posts anyway 17:32  |  Robert/Montreal 08/04/08
  96.   Why are the Haters not posting on this Article? 17:38  |  Robert/Montreal 08/04/08
  97.   Ethel # 70 Mixing And Mingling 17:39  |  Jeff Northridge 08/04/08
  98.   Again Natalie when will California go back to Mexico? 17:48  |  Robert/Montreal 08/04/08
  99.   The Northridge Peace Plan .. I`ve seen worse 17:55  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  100.   Number 2 (Samir) - Unfortunate Reality - Bites.... 17:57  |  Jason 08/04/08
  101.   Ibrahim 18:00  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 08/04/08
  102.   Natallie Durson #64 Margie`s `peace plan` 18:01  |  Roo 08/04/08
  103.   Barghouti is most likely thinking of the PLO Declaration of 18:02  |  lakshmi 08/04/08
  104.   #96 Robert/Montreal.Why are the Haters not posting on this Articl 18:17  |  KATHY 08/04/08
  105.   Natallie Durson # 76 What 1967 Borders? 18:19  |  Jeff Northridge 08/04/08
  106.   #73 Margie - No matter what borders Israel 18:19  |  spyguy 08/04/08
  107.   #90 Walter What the palestinians really want... 18:22  |  KATHY 08/04/08
  108.   Robert/Montreal is out of touch 18:23  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  109.   #18 indrajaya 18:26  |  Moshe 08/04/08
  110.   # 103 lakshmi...unitary Islamic state? 18:28  |  Lynn 08/04/08
  111.   Margie in TA, a question 18:30  |  Mark B. 08/04/08
  112.   margie 18:32  |  Danite 08/04/08
  113.   Ibrahim 18:34  |  Danite 08/04/08
  114.   The Jordanian option 18:35  |  Tosefta 08/04/08
  115.   #98 - Robert - California was given to the US 18:35  |  spyguy 08/04/08
  116.   Jeff Northridge struggles 18:39  |  Ibrahim 08/04/08
  117.   Marige on indefensable borders 18:42  |  Ibrahim 08/04/08
  118.   Robert/Montreal #95 Things really are that bad? 18:42  |  Roo 08/04/08
  119.   Mr. Burston - The Israeli right have already 18:49  |  spyguy 08/04/08
  120.   Sauce for the goose, Mark B, no? 18:54  |  Murray 08/04/08
  121.   Jeff Northridge 18:59  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  122.   98. Robert/Montreal on California and Mexico 19:02  |  FallacyWatch 08/04/08
  123.   4,66,79, etc. Why put the Palestinians in quotes?--3RD TRY 19:07  |  SeesBothSides`Points 08/04/08
  124.   Mark B. 19:10  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 08/04/08
  125.   More Nonsense : Quoting Barghouti ? Yikes ! 19:12  |  Tod Zuckerman 08/04/08
  126.   The Pals start their children off early...to hate. Losers! 19:13  |  Jason 08/04/08
  127.   @120 Murray, the goose lives and is not on the table 19:30  |  Mark B. 08/04/08
  128.   # 43 Margie from Tel Aviv 19:30  |  Nick Ferriman 08/04/08
  129.   #104 Kathy Natalie cannot see peace that is why 19:32  |  Robert/Montreal 08/04/08
  130.   spyguy #119 not quite 19:34  |  Roo 08/04/08
  131.   right 108 so when are you giving it back to Mexico 19:34  |  Robert/Montreal 08/04/08
  132.   @124 Margie in TA 19:36  |  Mark B. 08/04/08
  133.   Natallie Durson # 99 A Connecting Corridor? 19:37  |  Jeff Northridge 08/04/08
  134.   Dear Fallacy 19:43  |  Robert/Montreal 08/04/08
  135.   Its a fantasy that its rational 19:43  |  Scharker Yid 08/04/08
  136.   palestians are children who throw tantrums not respinsibleadults 19:43  |  zionist forever 08/04/08
  137.   Margie #75 19:57  |  Guido 08/04/08
  138.   second responce to a Hard man 91 20:08  |  Simon 08/04/08
  139.   the big lie- on steroids 20:10  |  peter 08/04/08
  140.   Mark B 20:10  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 08/04/08
  141.   part 2 for Falacy 20:11  |  Robert/Montreal 08/04/08
  142.   # 114 Tosefta.....we got our heads bit off 20:34  |  Lynn 08/04/08
  143.   Arabella, what tripe 20:38  |  Marilyn 08/04/08
  144.   Northridge Plan - Final post 20:42  |  Natallie Durson 08/04/08
  145.   The Westener who does not spare you, believes 20:46  |  Kris Lazar 08/04/08
  146.   Danite 20:47  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 08/04/08
  147.   2 state solution was still born 20:51  |  get real 08/04/08
  148.   The J-Option (Lynn #142) 20:53  |  Tosefta 08/04/08
  149.   to Bradley Burston, well said, we are with you 20:55  |  Zaki 08/04/08
  150.   Marilyn to Arabella - pots and kettles wow 20:58  |  x-ray 08/04/08
  151.   Marilyn not all the Palestinians are in big jails dear 21:00  |  x-ray 08/04/08
  152.   To all my peace loving friends on talkback 21:08  |  Alan the real one 08/04/08
  153.   Have you noticed 21:11  |  Alan the real one 08/04/08
  154.   why palestinian arabs said no in `48...and why you would too. 21:18  |  tim 08/04/08
  155.   110 Lynn,I did not say I favour the Islamic state,I was merely 21:29  |  lakshmi 08/04/08
  156.   Just Some thought Provoking for the Palestinians 21:38  |  Think About it 08/04/08
  157.   Sorry to say THERE CAN NEVER BE A SOLUTION 21:58  |  Dolly 08/04/08
  158.   sure Lakshmi those damned jews could live in the sea, why not? 22:01  |  x-ray 08/04/08
  159.   PA`s win? Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy! IT ain`t a gonna happen! 22:04  |  Heather Ross 08/04/08
  160.   # 122 FallacyWatch...You Say,But! Great Difference. 22:19  |  KATHY 08/04/08
  161.   Tiny Tim 22:20  |  x-ray 08/04/08
  162.   Please Mr Bradley Burston...show me that Palestinian People... 22:26  |  The Dumbite Kid 08/04/08
  163.   Tosefta on the `J` option 22:32  |  huh? 08/04/08
  164.   #142, Lynn 22:34  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/04/08
  165.   The option (Huh #163) 23:17  |  Tosefta 08/04/08
  166.   Bradley Burston, you are delusional... 23:36  |  Jordan 08/04/08
  167.   NO-ONE WINS IN THIS AREA.... 23:40  |  Dagma 08/04/08
  168.   Tosefta have you ever met a Gazan? 23:42  |  x-ray 08/04/08
  169.   Mark Lincoln 23:59  |  TonyL 08/04/08
  170.   Tim re why palestinians said no in `48-Nice try 00:04  |  the truth 09/04/08
  171.   Iakshmi # 155 Reading Barghouti`s Mind 00:15  |  Jeff Northridge 09/04/08
  172.   # 164 Cipora JK ....I`m flabbergasted 00:25  |  Lynn 09/04/08
  173.   # 98 Robert of Montreal...seems the Swiss have 00:27  |  Lynn 09/04/08
  174.   # 148 Tosefta... 00:30  |  Lynn 09/04/08
  175.   huh? ....I don`t think the monarchy 00:41  |  Lynn 09/04/08
  176.   Tosefta 00:42  |  Danite 09/04/08
  177.   #77 This is why I put "Palestinians" in quotation marks. 00:43  |  Chaim 09/04/08
  178.   Margie 00:44  |  Danite 09/04/08
  179.   IF PAL WIN 00:47  |  TOBIA 09/04/08
  180.   my dear cousin Tosefta 00:48  |  huh? 09/04/08
  181.   i want the palestinians to win 01:07  |  kevin 09/04/08
  182.   Good article by Bradley Burston 02:04  |  Smadar 09/04/08
  183.   #172, Lynn 02:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/04/08
  184.   Cipora, Lynn 02:17  |  TonyL 09/04/08
  185.   huh? # 180 Go Ahead, Decide Your Own Fate 02:19  |  Jeff Northridge 09/04/08
  186.   Cipora Julianna Kohn 02:22  |  Gina 09/04/08
  187.   Ibrahim, "have taken blame"? What nonsense! 02:33  |  Akiva P 09/04/08
  188.   What is win? 02:38  |  Eliyahna 09/04/08
  189.   Danite - why? 02:50  |  Mark Lincoln 09/04/08
  190.   Tosefta - Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinians 02:55  |  Mark Lincoln 09/04/08
  191.   #154 tim 02:56  |  Land 09/04/08
  192.   #177 my grandfather ? 03:09  |  Fares 09/04/08
  193.   Don`t worry, you will decide (Huh #180) 03:20  |  Tosefta 09/04/08
  194.   Lynn #174 03:28  |  Tosefta 09/04/08
  195.   Akiva in Oak Park 03:32  |  Ibrahim 09/04/08
  196.   Cipora, Lynn Correction to my post 03:44  |  TonyL 09/04/08
  197.   Jordan and the Palestinians (Mark Lincoln #190) 03:51  |  Tosefta 09/04/08
  198.   Sadly.. 03:58  |  Donald 09/04/08
  199.   #190, MarkL, Palestinians not only Israel`s problem 04:00  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/04/08
  200.   #184, Tony L 04:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/04/08
  201.   #186, Gina 04:13  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/04/08
  202.   Mark Lincoln 04:16  |  TonyL 09/04/08
  203.   # 194 Tosefta....for peace and the lives of 04:21  |  Lynn 09/04/08
  204.   # 184 TonyL.......We can dream can`t we? 04:29  |  Lynn 09/04/08
  205.   Gina....where have you been? 04:33  |  Lynn 09/04/08
  206.   Pals want Jews to LOSE,always felt time on their side 04:33  |  Sam 09/04/08
  207.   But Israel has already won! 04:34  |  Maria 09/04/08
  208.   The Arab Muslims and the Palestinians 04:37  |  MMM 09/04/08
  209.   Tosefta, you are incorrect on Jordan 04:41  |  Ibrahim 09/04/08
  210.   marilyn and natallie have the same mentallity. 04:45  |  from far away land 09/04/08
  211.   Northrige on "self determination" 04:46  |  Ibrahim 09/04/08
  212.   # 194 Tosefta.... you and Cipora are both good people 04:48  |  Lynn 09/04/08
  213.   Ibrahim 05:03  |  TonyL 09/04/08
  214.   Markus` article 05:22  |  Reid 09/04/08
  215.   Ibrahim....who killed King Abdullah,the former Jordanian king 05:30  |  Maria 09/04/08
  216.   bradley APRIL FOOLS DAY HAS COME AND GONE 06:39  |  Miriam Ashkelon 09/04/08
  217.   so maria (miriam) i give up wqho did all that? 06:56  |  huh? 09/04/08
  218.   75# Eric. Do you mean the Palestinians are ? 06:58  |  Akram Zekaria 09/04/08
  219.   Tosefta we are not about to be on our best behavior to please the 07:15  |  huh? 09/04/08
  220.   Reasonable Solutions 07:38  |  Reid 09/04/08
  221.   To Eric (#75): Two legitimate problems 07:39  |  Morris Valentine 09/04/08
  222.   first; i`d like to thank bradley for his courage... 08:07  |  eric 09/04/08
  223.   CONGRATULATIONS! to all you racists and religious bigots! 08:08  |  eric 09/04/08
  224.   Roo #78 Try And Understand The saudi Initiative A Bit Better 08:22  |  Tim R 09/04/08
  225.   Then Go live in Ramallah 08:37  |  Ben Uziel 09/04/08
  226.   the problem w/the white joos is 09:45  |  huh? 09/04/08
  227.   #84 Jeff Fractured Logic Part 1 09:59  |  Johnboy 09/04/08
  228.   What6? No ethnic cleansing? 10:01  |  Yonatan 09/04/08
  229.   #84 Jeff Fractured Logic Part 2 10:07  |  Johnboy 09/04/08
  230.   Palestinian children continuously fed racist hatred&martyrdom 10:14  |  PETER SM 09/04/08
  231.   #9 housam - the usual ignorance 10:20  |  Yonatan 09/04/08
  232.   Nice discussion about giving Gaza and W Bank to Egypt and Jordan 10:32  |  S 09/04/08
  233.   #84 Jeff Fractured Logic Part 3 10:35  |  Johnboy 09/04/08
  234.   Despite ALL EFFORTS TO FORGE a PALESTINIAN STATE 10:39  |  Dolly 09/04/08
  235.   #222 Best you read it again, TimR 10:43  |  Johnboy 09/04/08
  236.   #230, S, I am not sure I understand 10:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/04/08
  237.   TimR #224 See Johnboy`s post (#235) 11:03  |  Roo 09/04/08
  238.   #232 And a nice display of zionist hubris too, S 11:03  |  Johnboy 09/04/08
  239.   #233 eric at last admits his membership of the anrti semitic uni 11:58  |  v hardman 09/04/08
  240.   149# Zaki you are in a mission of lies ! 12:07  |  Akram Zekaria 09/04/08
  241.   Cipora, look it up what "six foot pole" means 12:52  |  S 09/04/08
  242.   #236 Let me explain, Cipora 13:34  |  Johnboy 09/04/08
  243.   Johnboy #235 You Did Say: Based on UN GA Res 194 Didn`t You? 13:49  |  Tim R 09/04/08
  244.   Haaretz Editorial Board: Clown`s Circus 13:52  |  Bouhadana 09/04/08
  245.   to # 25 Cipora, you seem to live in anohter world 13:55  |  Zaki 09/04/08
  246.   v hardman #233 I Think You Are Mistaken About eric 14:09  |  Tim R 09/04/08
  247.   Roo #237 Read My Response to Johnboy(#243) 14:14  |  Tim R 09/04/08
  248.   Akram Zekaria #240 Excellent Post 14:26  |  Tim R 09/04/08
  249.   Sorry Burston, THE `PALESTINIANS` WILL NEVER WIN 14:29  |  Dagma 09/04/08
  250.   Sorry Burston, THE `PALESTINIANS` WILL NEVER WIN 14:29  |  Dagma 09/04/08
  251.   94# Mark Lincoln:"The bottom line " Is a line in the sand. 15:15  |  Akram Zekaria 09/04/08
  252.   To DAGMA # 150 - The Arabs want it all - yes! 15:55  |  Onlooker 09/04/08
  253.   One state solution only!! 16:04  |  Abdul Aziz Higazi 09/04/08
  254.   i would just like to thank all the zionist 16:21  |  Assad-u-LLAH 09/04/08
  255.   190# You are right Mark Lincoln if Jordan exist. 18:24  |  Akram Zekaria 09/04/08
  256.   to Akram Zakaria,Haaretz didn`t publish my reply to you 19:16  |  Zaki 09/04/08
  257.   #245, Zaki 19:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/04/08
  258.   #172 Lynn Be Flabbergasted No more.re:CJK. 19:36  |  Question & Answer 09/04/08
  259.   Competition/Approved sealed Signed/Delivered to:Jeff N,.Zero toJB 19:40  |  Thoughtful 09/04/08
  260.   I want the palestinians to win 21:38  |  ENRIQUE TABAK 09/04/08
  261.   # 243 Tim R..To All Your Posts...Weell? 21:44  |  Intelligence 09/04/08
  262.   #232, S 22:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/04/08
  263.   Stop condescending 22:37  |  josh 09/04/08
  264.   to Cipora, thank you 23:04  |  Zaki 09/04/08
  265.   Intelligence #261 Actually: JB Is Quietly Congratulating Himself. 23:51  |  Tim R 09/04/08
  266.   I see you`ve learned nothing. Words are meaningless! 00:35  |  Gili 10/04/08
  267.   #265 TimR displays his ignorance again 01:04  |  Johnboy 10/04/08
  268.   #243 Best You Read It Again, Tim R 01:13  |  Johnboy 10/04/08
  269.   Intelligence #261 02:06  |  Roo 10/04/08
  270.   Johnboy #266 You Gotta Be Joshing .. And Grasping At Straws 03:55  |  Tim R 10/04/08
  271.   # 246 to tim r 05:42  |  eric 10/04/08
  272.   # 246 to tim r (2nd try) 07:19  |  eric 10/04/08
  273.   Peace 07:24  |  Dani 10/04/08
  274.   Peace 07:25  |  Dani 10/04/08
  275.   Cipora #262 08:42  |  S 10/04/08
  276.   #264, Zaki 09:27  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/04/08
  277.   Johnboy #266 You Must Be Joshing .. and Grasping for Straws 10:22  |  Tim R 10/04/08
  278.   #271, S 10:27  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/04/08
  279.   Zaki Cipora didn`t ask you where did you read 11:59  |  Akram Zekaria 10/04/08
  280.   Akram Zekaria 12:18  |  Zaki 10/04/08
  281.   Johnboy #266 How About Your Ignorance? 16:57  |  Tim R 10/04/08
  282.   Roo: Have You No Further Comments To Make.. 17:09  |  Tim R 10/04/08
  283.   becareful what you wish for 18:09  |  evil jinn 10/04/08
  284.   # 281 Tim R..re: Johnboy`s Ignorance or Running out Of Steam? 19:26  |  KATHY 10/04/08
  285.   #269 Roo What are you talking about?Are you a blog policeman.. 19:40  |  Intelligence 10/04/08
  286.   Oh Look! KATHY is on top of Intelligence 20:14  |  Roo 10/04/08
  287.   TimR 21:24  |  Roo 10/04/08
  288.   Zaki 280 "My source,well guess ? You are reading it now . 22:46  |  Akram Zekaria 10/04/08
  289.   TimR. Sent you post. HAARETZ did not put out? 22:56  |  Roo 10/04/08
  290.   One may really cry ! 23:36  |  Akram Zekaria 10/04/08
  291.   To Cipora RE: who is winning 23:38  |  Yellowbeard 10/04/08
  292.   Thank you G. Marcus 23:45  |  Yellowbeard 10/04/08
  293.   To G. Marcus #2 23:54  |  Yellowbeard 10/04/08
  294.   AMEN for Michael II RE: reigning in extremists 00:26  |  Yellowbeard 11/04/08
  295.   Yellowbeard and Michael II My Amen Too For Reigning In Extremists 01:22  |  Tim R 11/04/08
  296.   Hastaroth & Yellowbeard 04:21  |  Beitcafe 11/04/08
  297.   " I want Palestinians to win" 05:24  |  Victoria Bazhanov 11/04/08
  298.   #270 A very sensible question, for once, TimR 07:53  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  299.   #270 And another sensible question, Tim 08:13  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  300.   #284 I don`t know WHY I have to point this out to KATHY.... 08:24  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  301.   #281 TimR on Resolution 181 08:46  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  302.   #281 You aren`t being FAIR, Tim 09:16  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  303.   The Palestinians needs Jordan their Home more than they need 10:23  |  Akram Zekaria 11/04/08
  304.   288~ Zaki, smooth talk is only for the wickeds 10:47  |  Akram Zekaria 11/04/08
  305.   300# Johnboy said "if it ain`t America and ain`t Israel" 11:17  |  Akram Zekaria 11/04/08
  306.   Johnboy #298 My Question Was Sensible But Your Answer Wasn`t 12:20  |  Tim R 11/04/08
  307.   Johnboy #299 And Another Insensible Answer 12:46  |  Tim R 11/04/08
  308.   Johnboy #301 Nice Try JB ... 13:04  |  Tim R 11/04/08
  309.   Johnboy #302 You Seized On A Red Herring 13:39  |  Tim R 11/04/08
  310.   From Tim R to Johnboy post no.307 15:44  |  Akram Zekaria 11/04/08
  311.   #300 JB Time Zones.(and being dishonest) 15:50  |  KATHY 11/04/08
  312.   #308 Wrong in the damn first line, Tim! 17:00  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  313.   #308 Tim R thinks this is important 17:15  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  314.   JB. Apologies 17:30  |  KATHY 11/04/08
  315.   JB. Apologies 17:30  |  KATHY 11/04/08
  316.   #309 And YOU talk about MY Red Herrings! 17:41  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  317.   #311 Quite laughable, KATHY 17:54  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  318.   #314 Tosefta, is that you? 17:57  |  Johnboy 11/04/08
  319.   -# 318 JB Yes it is Tosefta...ha.ha,ah 19:10  |  Tan Mui Fong 11/04/08
  320.   # 318 Yes and No..I suggest you listen to kathy,, 19:31  |  freud 11/04/08
  321.   # 317 JB..I`m Up! Riiiight! 19:53  |  KATHY 11/04/08
  322.   # 282 Tim R..Roo:Have You No FurtherComments To Make.Oh He Does.. 21:25  |  K 11/04/08
  323.   Johnboy #316 Yes JB, Your Red Herrings 01:06  |  Tim R 12/04/08
  324.   #321 Tim R looses the thread 08:01  |  Johnboy 12/04/08
  325.   #321 Yep, completely clueless, Tim 08:10  |  Johnboy 12/04/08
  326.   #321 I respond to Tim, and he ignores my response, and then 08:14  |  Johnboy 12/04/08
  327.   50# Ibraham "The Arab corrected their mistake of 1948". 09:40  |  Akram Zekaria 12/04/08
  328.   to CJ Kohn #164 12:42  |  zeev 12/04/08
  329.   to freud #319 - on Kathy 14:09  |  zeev 12/04/08
  330.   K #320 It Doesn`t Matter Who Wrote #314/15 In Your Name 15:30  |  Tim R 12/04/08
  331.   to CJ Kohn #164 16:42  |  zeev 12/04/08
  332.   No side should win. The 1967 borders should be the solution. 18:04  |  Aounist 12/04/08
  333.   #328, zeev, stop pontificating and blaming Israel 00:44  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/04/08
  334.   Johnboy #326 This is A Question That You Refused To Answer 02:00  |  Tim R 13/04/08
  335.   Johnboy #326 And Here Is Another Thing That You Didn`t Respond To 02:20  |  Tim R 13/04/08
  336.   328# Zeev.You don`t STUDY facts.you always do by 02:37  |  Akram Zekaria 13/04/08
  337.   Me too 02:52  |  steve from Raleigh 13/04/08
  338.   Johnboy: I Responded To#312/3 Three Times But It Hasn`t Been Publ 03:36  |  Tim R 13/04/08
  339.   Tim 154 - That`s water under the bridge 04:06  |  Ben 13/04/08
  340.   to CJ Kohn #333 05:22  |  zeev 13/04/08
  341.   to Akram Zekaria #336 05:36  |  zeev 13/04/08
  342.   Confirmation that the Pals can NOT win 05:45  |  spyguy 13/04/08
  343.   #335 It`s like talking to a brick wall, Tim..... 06:55  |  Johnboy 13/04/08
  344.   #340, zeev, "stop being dishonest" 1 07:29  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/04/08
  345.   #340, zeev, "stop being dishonest" 2 07:40  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/04/08
  346.   #343 You Said It Johnboy: It`s like talking to a brick wall 08:37  |  Tim R 13/04/08
  347.   340# Zeev.By the nature of things,you can`t always 09:20  |  Akram Zekaria 13/04/08
  348.   34l# Zeev. Stop being a broken record. 10:19  |  Akram Zekaria 13/04/08
  349.   Cipora Julianna Kohn . Smokescreen. Respond to Zeev! 13:21  |  hubal 13/04/08
  350.   to CJ Kohn #344 - (2) 15:12  |  zeev 13/04/08
  351.   #349 Give Us A Break Hubal Cipora Is 100% Right 15:16  |  Tim R 13/04/08
  352.   to Akram Zekaria #347