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Posted: April 03, 2008

'Allying with Christian Zionists is bad for Israel'

NEW YORK - "No, we cannot." We cannot cooperate with the Christian Zionists, Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie, President of the Union for Reform Judaism, told the annual conference of the movement's rabbis Wednesday night in Cincinnati, Ohio, according to copies of the speech distributed ahead of time to the press.

Not an easy thing to say, considering their powerful numbers and the depth of the Evangelicals' support for Israel. But Yoffie thinks it is important - not because of their stance on abortion, their policies against homosexuals or the fact they do not respect members of other religions.

These elements certainly add to the argument, particularly the last factor, but they are not the main reasons. "What they mean by support of Israel and what we mean by support of Israel are two very different things," Yoffie says, highlighting the real reason.

No one familiar with Yoffie's record and his positions on Israel would question his commitment to the state. He is one of the main proponents within the URJ for tightening the movement's bond with Israel, a bond that has not always been self-evident. This gives Yoffie's declaration special importance.

This isn't the first time the issue has come up among American Jews, but in the past most of the focus was on domestic issues. To put it simply, the question was: What's more important - fighting the Evangelicals over the image of America, or allying ourselves with them for Israel's sake? Two and a half years ago, Yoffie himself slammed the Evangelicals' attitudes to homosexuality.

In his speech Wednesday night, however, Yoffie declared that an alliance with Christian Zionists must be rejected for the sake of Israel. Christian Zionist support for Israel is harmful, he said. It's not "unconditional support for the Jewish state," but rather support for certain leaders, certain parties, for a political agenda that is unacceptable to Yoffie and, he believes, to a majority of Israelis. The Evangelicals reject a two-state solution and oppose Israeli territorial concessions, and for that reason the Reform Movement cannot cooperate with them.

Yoffie's speech focused on one man: John Hagee, founder of the Christians United for Israel lobby group. That in itself is notable, since Hagee ostensible received the stamp of approval when he was invited to speak to an AIPAC policy conference last year.

The facts are also under dispute with regard to Hagee, who says he will continue to support Israel whether or not it chooses to relinquish territory. About two years ago, in an interview to Haaretz at his church in San Antonio, Texas, Hagee said he would not lend a hand to returning territory but would not stand in the way if Israel chose that path. However, in that event, he said, he would shift his support from the political arena to other ones, such as Israeli hospitals and orphanages. Yoffie, it would appear, doesn't believe him.

Yoffie knows his rejection of the Christian Zionists will not be embraced in Israel. But he asks: "By what right do we expect others to walk away from those who make anti-Jewish or anti-Israel statements when we will not walk away from those who make anti-Islam or anti-Catholic statements?"

The Reform leader stresses he isn't rejecting support from the Evangelicals per se, but rather only those whose political goals he sees as unacceptable. Yoffie's aggressive speech may surprise many in his audience, since he has been a proponent of dialogue between Jews and Evangelicals for some years and even gave a speech at preacher Jerry Falwell's Liberty University in 2006.

Yoffie knows his own movement well. When it comes to Israel he is sometimes to the right of most of its more liberal members. In Wednesday night's speech, too, he did not hesitate to say a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict may not be achievable in the near future. However, he said, "there is a huge difference between those who ask Israel to work patiently for a two-state solution that may be a long time in coming, and those who ask that the principle of such a solution be replaced by the vision of an apartheid state."


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  •   1.   `Allying with Christian Zionists is bad for Israel` 05:40  |  Pastor Joseph 03/04/08
      2.   Yoffie - Speak Only For Yourself ! 05:43  |  Tod Zuckerman 03/04/08
      3.   Evangelical Zionists = American Taliban, but they`re not the 05:44  |  anti-racist 03/04/08
      4.   Christian Zionists are dangerous 05:49  |  PK 03/04/08
      5.   Rabii Yoffie 06:04  |  Bruce 03/04/08
      6.   Chrisatian Zionists 06:09  |  Shmuelshachor 03/04/08
      7.   CHRISTIANS ARE ALLIES, YOFFIE IS NO RABBI! 06:13  |  Moshe BenDavid 03/04/08
      8.   Nonsense 06:14  |  Yosemite 03/04/08
      9.   Finally a Wise Jew 06:19  |  dan 03/04/08
      10.   Hagee is Scary as Hell 06:32  |  Mark of Lewiston 03/04/08
      11.   If the reform movement had been as supportive as the evangelicals 06:47  |  Gabe 03/04/08
      12.   hagee 06:54  |  mayer 03/04/08
      13.   Support for Israel by Christian Zionists 06:54  |  Johnny Weintraub 03/04/08
      14.   Yoffie is a good man 07:22  |  Amir 03/04/08
      15.   He should first get his Rabbis to keep Shabbat.... 07:29  |  Jewish State 03/04/08
      16.   I`d rather a "zionistic Christian" than a reform Jew 07:35  |  Kobi 03/04/08
      17.   Hagee and Yoffie 08:11  |  IW 03/04/08
      18.   rabbi yoffie , is best that you dont talk 08:13  |  reuven 03/04/08
      19.   "only those whose political goals he sees as unacceptable" 08:19  |  Zev 03/04/08
      20.   Horrifically misleading headline 08:22  |  Slibovitz 03/04/08
      21.   It is neither for the Christians nor for Roform Judaism to tell, 08:42  |  Nahum 03/04/08
      22.   rabbi yoffie is completely right 08:48  |  saul a. readner 03/04/08
      23.   A Match Made in Heaven 09:02  |  Natallie Durson 03/04/08
      24.   hage 09:06  |  harry 03/04/08
      25.   reforms are fake 09:24  |  paul 03/04/08
      26.   to # 9 : enemies and alliances 09:51  |  ellen 03/04/08
      27.   Shared concerns 10:06  |  Joe 03/04/08
      28.   There are exactly 3 "plagues" in the U.S. and the Middle East.... 10:27  |  Swiss (Dino) 03/04/08
      29.   Yoffie`s claim to special consideration is too slender 10:57  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 03/04/08
      30.   Yoffie`s claim to special consideration is too slender 10:57  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 03/04/08
      31.   Evangelicals are the worst anti-Semites there are 11:00  |  Mark B. 03/04/08
      32.   Yo Yo Yoffie-Ye of little faith 11:02  |  Ben Temalion 03/04/08
      33.   One State Solution One man one Vote.Peace on Earth prevails. 11:37  |  American 03/04/08
      34.   WHERE IS GOD AT THE MOMENT 11:38  |  indrajaya 03/04/08
      35.   Mark B 11:49  |  x-ray 03/04/08
      36.   Israel underestimates the consequences of weakness and paralysis 12:08  |  Haldrik 03/04/08
      37.   Dump Yoffie, not Christian Zionists 15:24  |  Steven 03/04/08
      38.   Christian Zionists are strong friends of Israel. Yoffie is disast 15:37  |  Chaim 03/04/08
      39.   chrietian zionists 15:42  |  dreamer 03/04/08
      40.   The Zionists Can Be Heard Clucking! 15:45  |  Yaakov Sullivan 03/04/08
      41.   Israel has Other Christian Friends 16:11  |  Pastor John 03/04/08
      42.   Johnny Weintraub 16:13  |  GABE1 03/04/08
      43.   RABBI YOFFIE IS NUTS 16:18  |  Rich 03/04/08
      44.   Rabbi Yoffie is wrong, Rev. Hagge disrespects one religion only 16:21  |  Genuine Tosefta 03/04/08
      45.   evangelicals are NUTS 16:23  |  tim 03/04/08
      46.   GO HAGEE 16:33  |  Michael 03/04/08
      47.   A Self Hating Reform Jew Is Worse Than Anything... 16:34  |  Yosemite 03/04/08
      48.   A personal reply to Rabby YOFFIE 16:34  |  FO 03/04/08
      49.   #21,Christian Zionists bad for Israel 16:41  |  HM 03/04/08
      50.   His own undoing 16:42  |  jon 03/04/08
      51.   Israel Is Just A Prop 16:47  |  Mark Nodelman 03/04/08
      52.   editorial - not a news report 17:00  |  andrew 03/04/08
      53.   Stop co-opting Christians like neocons did 17:19  |  Mexican American 03/04/08
      54.   beware of the christian zionist agenda 17:21  |  yossi 03/04/08
      55.   hagee supports jewish causes 17:29  |  harris 03/04/08
      56.   from wikipedia 17:32  |  harris 03/04/08
      57.   Can we deal with the matter without hatred? 17:33  |  H. Koltenih 03/04/08
      58.   Christian Zionists support Israel more than Reform rabbis do 17:33  |  McQueen 03/04/08
      59.   Rabii Yoffie - a coward sitting in USA 17:36  |  Oleg 03/04/08
      60.   christian zionism a contradiction in terms 17:36  |  avramele 03/04/08
      61.   Rosner: You are Completely Wrong and Foolish 17:40  |  SES 03/04/08
      62.   Our future according to Hagee 17:42  |  Mark Lincoln 03/04/08
      63.   Rabbi Yoffie quiet on the Rev Wright Front 17:42  |  FOX 03/04/08
      64.   #3 Anti-racist, where have u been for 8 yrs? 17:45  |  Aphemia 03/04/08
      65.   H. Koltenih on tolerance 17:46  |  Yaakov Sullivan 03/04/08
      66.   Ivangelists and Israel 17:46  |  Palestinian 03/04/08
      67.   Allying with Christian Evangelicals 17:47  |  I.Kemp 03/04/08
      68.   Talking about Jesus, may we? 17:50  |  FOX 03/04/08
      69.   Thank you Pastor Hagee 17:50  |  Zev 03/04/08
      70.   This Hagee nut even hates other christians! 17:54  |  Aphemia 03/04/08
      71.   Lets get one thing straight! 17:54  |  Geoff 03/04/08
      72.   The Kiss of Death 17:55  |  El-Birawi 03/04/08
      73.   Message for Reform Jews 18:05  |  Harvey (Chaim) 03/04/08
      74.   Hagee forgot the poor in San Antonio 18:46  |  El-Birawi 03/04/08
      75.   Geoff on the Word and Prophecy 18:48  |  Yaakov Sullivan 03/04/08
      76.   If FDR could sit down with stalin.... 18:48  |  Jordan 03/04/08
      77.   majority reform Jews are anti-zionist 18:58  |  Tomas 03/04/08
      78.   Friends Don`t Have to Agree 19:03  |  Martin 03/04/08
      79.   margie in tel aviv 19:03  |  saul a. readner 03/04/08
      80.   Rabbi Yoffie 19:06  |  Amos 03/04/08
      81.   Dear Shmuel Rosner 19:08  |  Yechiel 03/04/08
      82.   bad 4 israel 19:12  |  Josh 03/04/08
      83.   Every Non-Haredi Option has been Utterly Exhasted 19:12  |  Simeon ben Jacob 03/04/08
      84.   You don`t speak for me, Yoffie! 19:12  |  Josh 03/04/08
      85.   #47 Yosemite "The religious retard" 19:16  |  Mike 03/04/08
      86.   Jewish Zionists are fools. 19:20  |  Atoo 03/04/08
      87.   Right on # 5 19:20  |  Zeke 03/04/08
      88.   Reform Judaism is bad for Israel 19:21  |  Jay 03/04/08
      89.   Overlapping Agendas 19:40  |  Scrolls 03/04/08
      90.   Statement from Pastor Hagee 19:41  |  Hagee Fan 03/04/08
      91.   Hagee has threatened me 19:46  |  Robin 03/04/08
      92.   A CUFI member 20:00  |  George Duraisingh 03/04/08
      93.   Pastor Hagee on the Catholics 20:05  |  Yaakov Sullivan 03/04/08
      94.   Stop 20:08  |  American 03/04/08
      95.   Yoffie attacked Evangelicals for politics to help Democrats 20:11  |  Haldrik 03/04/08
      96.   I must comment on Christian anti-Semetism 20:22  |  Christian Gentile 03/04/08
      97.   Rabbi Yoffie 20:31  |  David S 03/04/08
      98.   Yoffie turns personal politics into religious dogma 20:34  |  Haldrik 03/04/08
      99.   Allying with the Reform is bad for Israel 20:58  |  Jack Rubin 03/04/08
      100.   God, please empower Jews to be one people, united in love 21:05  |  Haldrik 03/04/08
      101.   Yoffe and Israel 21:09  |  B 03/04/08
      102.   Do not speak for me. 21:17  |  Daniel 03/04/08
      103.   Yaakov Sullivan 21:20  |  Geoff 03/04/08
      104.   He can shut up.... 21:22  |  Dave from Chicago 03/04/08
      105.   The god of truth 21:27  |  roger wallace 03/04/08
      106.   Al-Birawi - Hagee called the people of New Orleans sinners 21:47  |  Ray 03/04/08
      107.   Narrow minded liberals 21:49  |  Nathaniel 03/04/08
      108.   Yes Geoff, we know your God 21:58  |  Yaakov Sullivan 03/04/08
      109.   Yossi-SO & what is your agenda? 22:03  |  GABE1 03/04/08
      110.   Yoffie...which option you`d rather have? 22:06  |  Ray 03/04/08
      111.   Armageddon 22:12  |  Chris 03/04/08
      112.   American Christians..... 22:13  |  Dave from Chicago 03/04/08
      113.   Hagge disrespects one religion only 22:15  |  hollingsworth 03/04/08
      114.   You can`t have it both ways, rabbi 22:21  |  hollingsworth 03/04/08
      115.   Rabbinic Judaism believes in end-time prophecies too 22:35  |  Haldrik 03/04/08
      116.   Christians may consider an important Jewish concept on prophecy 23:02  |  Haldrik 03/04/08
      117.   the christian zionist will change their support to hatred of isra 23:06  |  Daniel 03/04/08
      118.   #113 hateful Hagee 23:15  |  hala 03/04/08
      119.   reform vs Christian 23:23  |  Tory 03/04/08
      120.   #63 FOX 23:30  |  Roo 03/04/08
      121.   #90 statement from Hagee 23:32  |  hala 03/04/08
      122.   American Catholics strongly support Israel, unlike Euro Catholics 23:35  |  Haldrik 03/04/08
      123.   Two State Solution is ANTI SEMITISM! 23:41  |  Jeff 03/04/08
      124.   #63 FOX 23:48  |  Roo 03/04/08
      125.   Rabbi Yoffie...Toffie....Woffie 00:00  |  rich 04/04/08
      126.   Slibovitz...dont criticise Gert Wilders 00:02  |  rich 04/04/08
      127.   Yoffie`s Bias 00:21  |  Jerald Semar 04/04/08
      128.   To Haldrik - We appreciate Catholic support 00:29  |  Slibovitz 04/04/08
      129.   Wow! Yoffi shel Rabbit strikes back! Be very afraid! 00:50  |  Ariel 04/04/08
      130.   Hagee 00:52  |  Salty 04/04/08
      131.   Hagee 00:52  |  Salty 04/04/08
      132.   thank you, hala.. 00:55  |  hollingsworth 04/04/08
      133.   Warning! 00:58  |  Maureen Ann 04/04/08
      134.   Christian Zionists 00:59  |  Dave 04/04/08
      135.   Re: #85 To Mike "The Genius" 02:11  |  Yosemite 04/04/08
      136.   Davy from LA (133), you are great 02:12  |  Hana 04/04/08
      137.   Allying w/Christian Z`s bad for Israel? 02:12  |  Heatherross 04/04/08
      138.   We Don`t Have Catholic Support Per Se 02:28  |  Yosemite 04/04/08
      139.   #132 Allying w/Israel 02:30  |  Heatherross 04/04/08
      140.   #111 Ally w/Israel 02:37  |  Heatherross 04/04/08
      141.   To 102 Daniel, Christian Gentile and others - We Love You 02:38  |  Slibovitz 04/04/08
      142.   Haaretz 03:31  |  ab 04/04/08
      143.   # 34 Indy, That`s easy.At this moment God is with me, and you too 03:39  |  Virginia 04/04/08
      144.   Why are most [not all] Evangelicals anti-Catholic? 03:53  |  Virginia 04/04/08
      145.   Allying with Christian Zionists is bad for Israel` 04:02  |  Jose Ramon Alvarado 04/04/08
      146.   Bless your hearts! All concerned Christians will be offended. 04:08  |  A little secret 04/04/08
      147.   Gabe I, (Post No. 42) 04:38  |  Johnny Weintraub 04/04/08
      148.   It doesn`t matter/Gods in control 04:41  |  marilyn 04/04/08
      149.   #41 05:42  |  Pastor Joseph 04/04/08
      150.   To Hana, #135 06:09  |  Dave 04/04/08
      151.   THERE is a lot more support for Israel in the real world 06:18  |  PETER SM 04/04/08
      152.   Yoffei is bad for Israel 06:43  |  Yohanan 04/04/08
      153.   # 29 to margie in tel aviv 07:30  |  eric 04/04/08
      154.   kudos to rabbi yoffie... 07:31  |  eric 04/04/08
      155.   # 143, VIRGINIA 07:55  |  indrajaya 04/04/08
      156.   #85, Mike loves Yosemite 08:09  |  Webster 04/04/08
      157.   Christian Zionists 09:38  |  Michael 04/04/08
      158.   ###21,54,96,153 09:41  |  ESTHER 04/04/08
      159.   Speak for yourself 10:07  |  BB 04/04/08
      160.   #63 FOX 10:44  |  Roo 04/04/08
      161.   Problem with Wright is hate and failure to take responsibility 11:28  |  Haldrik 04/04/08
      162.   #149,Pastor Joseph, H&D fetish: flashy bonus to unwanted company? 12:01  |  zmogus 04/04/08
      163.   Roo, Begging a Response 13:27  |  FOX 04/04/08
      164.   Roo, my "painful Leftist memories" 13:34  |  FOX 04/04/08
      165.   Reform Judaism is bad for Israel 15:35  |  T.Goldner 04/04/08
      166.   Naysayers 15:43  |  Deborah 04/04/08
      167.   #68 Fox 16:24  |  Deborah 04/04/08
      168.   #86 - Atoo 16:39  |  Deborah 04/04/08
      169.   #155 - Indrajaya 17:38  |  Deborah 04/04/08
      170.   Deborah...Power Faith & Fantasy 21:22  |  FOX 04/04/08
      171.   # 113 HOLLINGSWORTH, AND THAT`S PROBLEM? 00:07  |  petra 05/04/08
      172.   # 121 HALA GET REAL 00:11  |  petra 05/04/08
      173.   anti Hagge Yofee 02:29  |  iche-behr 05/04/08
      174.   Reform Judaism / To T. Goldner 13:55  |  Meyer Keslacy 05/04/08
      175.   What rubbish 16:17  |  Rozz 05/04/08
      176.   Hagee: Antijewishness is `Antichrist`, not true Catholicism 19:40  |  Haldrik 05/04/08
      177.   Allying with zionists is bad for Jews 20:50  |  John 05/04/08
      178.   The "Synagogue of Satan" is a certain group of Nonjewish Christia 00:33  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      179.   New Testament: The "man of sin" is the Pagan Roman Emperor 00:53  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      180.   Reform head 01:07  |  Bruria 06/04/08
      181.   Rabbi "Idiot" Yoffie 02:10  |  Ken Eliasberg 06/04/08
      182.   #172 petra, some know how to read--you do not 04:33  |  hala 06/04/08
      183.   The New Testmanent is a collection of Jewish documents 05:26  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      184.   what does the Tanach say about this matter? 13:38  |  Finnish zionist 06/04/08
      185.   Hala if you know bible history you know that 15:04  |  petra 06/04/08
      186.   Reuven YOU`RE RIGHT ABOUT HAGEE 15:10  |  petra 06/04/08
      187.   What Hagee says about the Pope 18:26  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      188.   Catholicism versus Roman Paganism 18:40  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      189.   haldrik, it`s time to view the other side of the coin 19:54  |  hollingsworth 06/04/08
      190.   to Virginia who writes.. 19:58  |  hollingsworth 06/04/08
      191.   haldrik 20:01  |  hollingsworth 06/04/08
      192.   RESPOND TO PAUL 20:55  |  TOBIA 06/04/08
      193.   Do some Jews believe that they as a people are the Christ? 21:44  |  It`s starting to 06/04/08
      194.   LOL! "Jesuss." 21:55  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      195.   LOL! "Jesuss." 21:59  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      196.   1st-century Jews and Christians were family 22:47  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      197.   "Salvation is by the Jews" 23:10  |  Haldrik 06/04/08
      198.   Jesus said: 00:21  |  hollingworth 07/04/08
      199.   Haldrik, I think we agree. God is our only Savior. 00:46  |  Virginia 07/04/08
      200.   hollingsworth, and I`d have to agree. Scripture is best Teacher 00:53  |  Virginia 07/04/08
      201.   Haldrik, "By" is as much of a misquote as "of", I stand corrected 01:24  |  Virginia 07/04/08
      202.   when jesus comes 19:31  |  robert 07/04/08
      203.   A word for "Hagee Fan" 19:53  |  hollingsworth 07/04/08
      204.   BTW, hagge fan 23:42  |  hollingsworth 07/04/08
      205.   Pastor Hagee 04:07  |  Brian 08/04/08
      206.   To #203 - hollingsworth 05:21  |  Frank 08/04/08
      207.   Hagee only condemns the Antijewish hate by the Catholic Church 20:58  |  Haldrik 08/04/08
      208.   Jesus isnt God. Jesuss teachings are more complex and cautious. 21:20  |  Haldrik 08/04/08
      209.   Allying C & A bad for I# 62 response 22:38  |  Heatherross 08/04/08
      210.   Alli Cz`s bad for I? Why did G_d send the Christians to your land 22:47  |  Heatherross 08/04/08
      211.   haldrik and hagee luv-in 23:26  |  hollingsworth 08/04/08
      212.   Hagee criticizes Antijewish hate. Not the Church. 23:44  |  Haldrik 08/04/08
      213.   Its easy to see how Catholics might be offended by Hagee 23:54  |  Haldrik 08/04/08
      214.   haldrik, like a good zionist, recognizes only "anti-jewish hate." 00:16  |  hollingsworth 09/04/08
      215.   Hagee isnt a Catholic 01:17  |  Haldrik 09/04/08
      216.   Jesus is a Zionist 01:30  |  Haldrik 09/04/08
      217.   What Have You Done For Israel? 01:23  |  Hylton 21/04/08
      218.   "I Will Purge From Them The Sinners Fo My People" 02:06  |  Hylton 21/04/08
      219.   Paster Joseph #1 22:16  |  jonny 22/04/08
      220.   hatred for those that love them? 09:05  |  karen 13/05/08
      221.   GODS WORD 09:17  |  karen 13/05/08


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