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The image of 12-year-old Mohammed al-Dura and his father that sparked the affair in 2000. (AP)
Last update - 10:35 02/03/2008
Independent expert: IDF bullets didn't kill Mohammed al-Dura
By Adi Schwartz
Tags: Mohammed al-Dura, IDF 

A report presented to a French court last week by an independent ballistics expert maintains that the death of Mohammed al-Dura, a Palestinian child seen being shot in the Gaza Strip during the first days of the intifada in September 2000, could not have been the result of Israeli gunfire, corroborating claims that the shocking footage was doctored.

The ballistics expert, Jean-Claude Schlinger, presented his conclusions after reviewing the footage, which shows Dura and his father cowering by a wall after being caught in the crossfire between Palestinian gunmen and Israel Defense Forces soldiers at the Netzarim junction.

The case revolves around a libel suit brought by the France 2 television channel and its Middle East correspondent, Charles Enderlin, against Phillipe Karsenty. On November 22, 2004 Karsenty wrote on his Web site, Media Ratings, that Dura's death had been staged and that France 2's conduct "disgraces France and its public broadcasting system."
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A few weeks later France 2 and Enderlin sued him for libel. In October 2006 Karsenty was found guilty and was required to pay symbolic damages of 1 euro (and 3,000 euros in court costs).

Karsenty appealed. The judge asked to examine all of the film footage in the report of the shooting before rendering a verdict.

On Saturday, Enderlin rejected Schlinger's findings, arguing that "only partial evidence was given to him for evaluation."

In his report, Schlinger wrote, "If Jamal [the boy's father] and Mohammed al-Dura were indeed struck by shots, then they could not have come from the Israeli position, from a technical point of view, but only from the direction of the Palestinian position."

He also wrote, "In view of the general context, and in light of many instances of staged incidents, there is no objective evidence that the child was killed and his father injured. It is very possible, therefore, that it is a case [in which the incident was] staged."

Schlinger confirmed these statements in a telephone conversation with Haaretz.

Schlinger has served as an adviser on ballistic and forensic evidence in French courts for 20 years.

In his examination, he recreated the incident emphasizing the angle from which the shots could have been fired, the types of injuries and the types of weapons used by the IDF and the Palestinians.

According to his report, there is no evidence that the boy was wounded in his right leg or in his abdomen, as was originally reported.

Regarding the injuries reportedly suffered by the father, Schlinger wrote that "If the injuries are genuine, they could not have occurred at the time of the events that television channel France 2 reported."

Regarding the angle of the shots, Schlinger wrote, "Assuming that the shots came from the Israeli position, only the lower limbs could have been hit, because the rest of the body was protected by the house at the location."

This is the first time that an independent ballistics expert, not representing the State of Israel, undertook to examine Karsenty's claims.
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  1.   their pants should be sued off 04:51  |  judith 02/03/08
  2.   Dura was killed-- by war, by the self-rightous ideology 05:46  |  Balboa 02/03/08
  3.   Shame on the French journalists lying to their readers to 05:51  |  Marwan مروان خو 02/03/08
  4.   I just knew it!!!!! 05:54  |  Lynnn 02/03/08
  5.   This Pallywood Fictional Film Failed To Win An Oscar ... 06:12  |  Lavi 02/03/08
  6.   What drivel 06:38  |  Marilyn 02/03/08
  7.   yeah right!!! and Jenin was "not" a massacre 07:27  |  disbeliever 02/03/08
  8.   Independent expert 07:27  |  Paula 02/03/08
  9.   Israels killing of one child debunked. 100 more to go 07:27  |  Natallie Durson 02/03/08
  10.   cut off your nose to spite your face!!! 07:32  |  neutral-man 02/03/08
  11.   As usual, relegated to the back pages... 07:57  |  Jeff 02/03/08
  12.   Tripe? 08:12  |  Dan 02/03/08
  13.   #4 - Marilyn 08:26  |  Michael 02/03/08
  14.   Only Marilyn knows the truth... 08:34  |  Ehud 02/03/08
  15.   Arab liars - nuff said 08:48  |  IW 02/03/08
  16.   Marilyn knew Israel was guilty w/o seeing a video 08:57  |  Shlomo 02/03/08
  17.   Marylin 09:15  |  David 02/03/08
  18.   Enderlin, the LIAR, complains. 09:20  |  Dr. Jack 02/03/08
  19.   Too little, too late 09:22  |  Aviva 02/03/08
  20.   Where is Waldo and M. alDura? 09:31  |  sptz 02/03/08
  21.   France 2 should have to pay Israel BILLIONS 09:44  |  McQueen 02/03/08
  22.   to 1 10:00  |  jean marie 02/03/08
  23.   FRENCH POCKETS 10:00  |  THE TEACHER/INSTRUCT 02/03/08
  24.   The IDF tore down the wall that was behind the boy and father 10:23  |  jack 02/03/08
  25.   No physical or real evidence to support IDF claim, just lies 10:24  |  anti-racist 02/03/08
  26.   Pali-wood 101 - the world has to wake up 10:58  |  steve 02/03/08
  27.   MARYLIN etc. ballistic experts.What happened to the bullet? 10:58  |  PETER SM 02/03/08
  28.   Just TOOOO LATE the 10:59  |  Nerys 02/03/08
  29.   Al-Dura 11:04  |  MacBeth 02/03/08
  30.   Enderlin, a shame to his profession 11:05  |  S. 02/03/08
  31.   anti-racist 11:11  |  Cindy 02/03/08
  32.   "ANTI RACIST" Instant martyrs and lies for your cause.!! 11:12  |  PETER SM 02/03/08
  33.   Mohammed al-Dura 11:20  |  Ralph 02/03/08
  34.   the arab propaganda machine knows no limits 11:24  |  don 02/03/08
  35.   McQueen: Isn`t it enough that our tax billions go to Isreal 11:47  |  Tupac 02/03/08
  36.   This confirms the German TV program that cast serious doubt. 11:51  |  PETER SM 02/03/08
  37.   #16, S 11:52  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 02/03/08
  38.   You don`t need videos to realise that the idf are serial killers! 11:57  |  lakshmi 02/03/08
  39.   So what? 12:11  |  Hadi 02/03/08
  40.   reply to Lakshmi 12:18  |  Maerton 02/03/08
  41.   Another reply to Lakshmi 12:20  |  Maerton 02/03/08
  42.   Postings to this article. 12:25  |  David Nigel Braham 02/03/08
  43.   Where is the boy? really? 12:33  |  Dror 02/03/08
  44.   Whats the surprise? 12:43  |  Mr Ipp 02/03/08
  45.   To Hadi 12:51  |  dovale 02/03/08
  46.   UNBELIEVABLE ! ! ! 12:52  |  FO 02/03/08
  47.   Lakshmi 12:58  |  Ehud 02/03/08
  48.   #to Adi Schwartz: needed: links to former coverage of subject 13:00  |  Daniel 02/03/08
  49.   another blood libel 13:03  |  the truth 02/03/08
  50.   reply to Lakshmi 13:08  |  the truth 02/03/08
  51.   MOSSAD: AL-DURA KILLED HIMSELF 13:09  |  indrajaya 02/03/08
  52.   Prosecute the french tv station for their lies 13:11  |  Jed 02/03/08
  53.   Arab lies and media buys 13:23  |  r 02/03/08
  54.   #36, Indrajaya 13:40  |  Michael 02/03/08
  55.   MacBeth 13:47  |  Cindy 02/03/08
  56.   Media sympathies 13:49  |  Joseph 02/03/08
  57.   Indra 13:52  |  the truth 02/03/08
  58.   #4 Marilyn 13:59  |  Moshe 02/03/08
  59.   # 19 Peter SM..Is This News For Us? 14:06  |  KATHY 02/03/08
  60.   What would I have done in this situation? 14:06  |  AliciaYasmeen 02/03/08
  61.   #14 14:08  |  Moshe 02/03/08
  62.   Pals play with their children all day long... 14:11  |  mum 02/03/08
  63.   To Dovale 14:12  |  Hadi 02/03/08
  64.   BRAVO KARSENTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14:12  |  vladimir 02/03/08
  65.   That`s how French TV makes $$$ 14:14  |  HATE 02/03/08
  66.   To PRO-ISRAEL smart comments 14:16  |  Ahmed 02/03/08
  67.   That is not the only Bogus claim against Israel INHUMANITY. 14:16  |  Buzaglow 02/03/08
  68.   JUST LIKE THE HIZBOLLAH TERRORIST KILLED IN SYRIA 14:18  |  Robert 02/03/08
  69.   Insrajaya -- sometimes the truth hurts 14:25  |  bbl 02/03/08
  70.   Unbelievable 14:38  |  Hal 02/03/08
  71.   SMART!!! 15:04  |  Tag 02/03/08
  72.   more on pallywood see here: 15:06  |  scallywag 02/03/08
  73.   zionists jumping up & down at my post!You talk about children 15:06  |  lakshmi 02/03/08
  74.   An answer for Hadi #45 15:07  |  dovale 02/03/08
  75.   #21 lakshmi....now it doesn`t matter? 15:12  |  Lynn 02/03/08
  76.   #34 Indy....best for the truth to come out 15:19  |  Lynn 02/03/08
  77.   Article 38 of the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of a Child 15:19  |  STOP child sacrifice 02/03/08
  78.   Many Nazi experts said the Holocaust never took place 15:28  |  Man 02/03/08
  79.   Lakshmi 15:34  |  the truth 02/03/08
  80.   Not religious, eh Hadi? 15:41  |  MaryRose 02/03/08
  81.   #19 Peter, could I ask a favour of you? 15:47  |  MaryRose 02/03/08
  82.   #55 Lynn 15:51  |  Chris Linthwaite 02/03/08
  83.   Defense not Holocaust 15:52  |  Benn 02/03/08
  84.   LAKSHMI #21: For Someone Who`s Never Been To Israel, Gaza ... 16:00  |  Lavi 02/03/08
  85.   IW 16:16  |  Jon 02/03/08
  86.   To MaryRose 16:26  |  Hadi 02/03/08
  87.   # 82 Linthwaite...second try 16:43  |  Lynn 02/03/08
  88.   To Dovale 16:43  |  Hadi 02/03/08
  89.   Who killed Mohammed al-Dura? 16:47  |  Ralph 02/03/08
  90.   Chris Lintwaite #47, take a breath 17:07  |  FOX 02/03/08
  91.   Schlinger Sounds Jewish to me 17:08  |  Ali 02/03/08
  92.   The Stanislovsky School of Acting 17:13  |  FOX 02/03/08
  93.   Ralph, N° 89 17:21  |  Hadi 02/03/08
  94.   Enderlin should disappear? How many dead israelis due to his lie? 17:37  |  Johnny 02/03/08
  95.   #91 - Ali: geneological expert 17:47  |  Steve 02/03/08
  96.   Of course it`s all a lie, Lakshmi, the rest of you... 17:53  |  Steve 02/03/08
  97.   another twisting of facts 17:55  |  Zaki 02/03/08
  98.   #91 Ali - you don`t know all that much 17:56  |  * BEN JABO 02/03/08
  99.   Palis killed little Mohammed and many more will die. 17:56  |  HonestAbe 02/03/08
  100.   Before all the attempts at subterfuge go back to the beginning 18:12  |  Ben Alofs 02/03/08
  101.   GOOGLE THIS `INDEPENDENT` EXPERT`S NAME AND WHO HE REALLY IS 18:14  |  JACKAL 02/03/08
  102.   To #101, Jackal - re: independent ballistics expert 18:32  |  Seva Brodsky 02/03/08
  103.   One other thing that is always overlooked.... 18:38  |  Ben Alofs 02/03/08
  104.   I Saw the Entire Film 19:14  |  MichaelF 02/03/08
  105.   #7 - disbeliever 19:18  |  MichaelF 02/03/08
  106.   #103 - Ben Alofs 19:22  |  MichaelF 02/03/08
  107.   #78 man 19:26  |  Moshe 02/03/08
  108.   Next Pali-French production - "Gaza on Fire" 19:26  |  Jewboy 02/03/08
  109.   Ben Alofs just another lying muslim terrorist 19:29  |  Johnny 02/03/08
  110.   Alicia Yasmeen - I have always wondered 19:47  |  ChanahS 02/03/08
  111.   disbeliever 19:51  |  disbeliever 02/03/08
  112.   Hal 70 - oh but there is an explanation 19:52  |  ChanahS 02/03/08
  113.   Man 78 - Jewish expert 19:56  |  ChanahS 02/03/08
  114.   Lakshmi - lay off the Warsaw Ghetto 20:11  |  ChanahS 02/03/08
  115.   Zaki#97 - unlike arabs, Jews don`t need tricks 20:20  |  William 02/03/08
  116.   Ali 91 - no, only Arabs do that kind of thing 20:22  |  ChanahS 02/03/08
  117.   In spite of the questions remainingMohammed most likely died at 20:22  |  Ben Alofs 02/03/08
  118.   Anti-racist#25 - such a claim makes you anti-truth too 20:29  |  William 02/03/08
  119.   To Hadi 20:32  |  dovale 02/03/08
  120.   Katyn 20:32  |  Colin Wright 02/03/08
  121.   MARYROSEGerman ARD television Al-Dura shot dead by Palestinians 20:37  |  PETER SM 02/03/08
  122.   #100 - Ben Alofs 20:39  |  JES 02/03/08
  123.   Mohammed al-Durrah: one of only many Palestinian child victims 20:39  |  Ben Alofs 02/03/08
  124.   #120 - You know Ben 21:03  |  JES 02/03/08
  125.   #120 - Colin, you`re confused 21:09  |  JES 02/03/08
  126.   Zaki 21:11  |  Steve 02/03/08
  127.   # 123 Alofs....some of those child victims 21:16  |  Lynn 02/03/08
  128.   # 70 To Hal, the naive Read and learn !!! 21:19  |  Free Gilad Shalit 02/03/08
  129.   B.ALOFFS reeking hypocrisy.Not a word of condemnation when Israel 21:22  |  PETER SM 02/03/08
  130.   The Palestinians have as much integrity as did Ali Baba! 21:31  |  Murray of Montreal 02/03/08
  131.   Thanks Peter #121 21:31  |  MaryRose 02/03/08
  132.   Ali Karsentsy also is Jewish 22:01  |  David Israel 02/03/08
  133.   THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOULD BE MADE AWEAR. 22:07  |  JW 02/03/08
  134.   # 23 THE TEACHER/INSTRUCT..FRENCH POCKETS 22:20  |  KATHY 02/03/08
  135.   #113 Channah S re Jewish Expert 22:21  |  Labhras 02/03/08
  136.   #114 Channah S re Lakshmi 22:28  |  Labhras 02/03/08
  137.   ben alofs 22:37  |  scallywag 02/03/08
  138.   So, let me get this right..... 22:40  |  Johnboy 02/03/08
  139.   the israeli bias 22:47  |  truthseeker 02/03/08
  140.   Culture of Death Mentality 22:49  |  Douglas Fireman 02/03/08
  141.   A symbol and an allegory... 22:53  |  Esther 02/03/08
  142.   these big bad palestinian children martyrs 22:54  |  truthseeker 02/03/08
  143.   Re #128 23:00  |  Esther 02/03/08
  144.   Tilted talkback... 23:14  |  Esther 02/03/08
  145.   Ben Alofs 23:25  |  Mary P 02/03/08
  146.   Jean-Claude Schlingers rep. 23:31  |  Bo 02/03/08
  147.   1000 childrens killed since sep 2000 23:36  |  Ben Hamed 02/03/08
  148.   Johnboy and been to the scene 23:41  |  ChanahS 02/03/08
  149.   Didn`t kill Dura 00:01  |  THE TEACHER/INSTRUCT 03/03/08
  150.   Twisted facts 00:02  |  s-girl 03/03/08
  151.   Kids in Gaza 00:14  |  Uzi 03/03/08
  152.   Ben Alofs on al-Durha 00:15  |  Johnny 03/03/08
  153.   to #126 Steve, to kill who? 00:20  |  Zaki 03/03/08
  154.   Never trust an Arabs word 00:25  |  Marc Hamil 03/03/08
  155.   The truth about Arab children 00:30  |  Stayin Alive 03/03/08
  156.   to #115 william,jews don`t need tricks 00:31  |  Zaki 03/03/08
  157.   Truth seeker that has been my experience 00:32  |  Truth 03/03/08
  158.   Ben Alofs don`t worry 00:36  |  Walter 03/03/08
  159.   To Doval 00:50  |  Hadi 03/03/08
  160.   Zaki you may love god, but he doesn`t love you, read the bible 00:56  |  Johnny 03/03/08
  161.   114 Chanah S.facts are facts! There you had the nazi imposed 00:56  |  lakshmi 03/03/08
  162.   Re s-girl #148.... twisted facts.... 00:56  |  Esther 03/03/08
  163.   It`s all about culture 00:59  |  Scandinavian 03/03/08
  164.   "Google Earth" how do we change this lie on google earth 01:03  |  Ben 03/03/08
  165.   Labarse`s idiocy # 133 01:38  |  ChanahS 03/03/08
  166.   truthseeker 140 01:42  |  ChanahS 03/03/08
  167.   LAKSHOMI WHAT DID THE JEWS DO 01:45  |  TOBIA 03/03/08
  168.   BRAVO STEVE BRAVO 01:49  |  T 03/03/08
  169.   Johnboy 136 01:53  |  Free Gilad Shalit 03/03/08
  170.   TRUTH SEEKER 02:02  |  TOBIA 03/03/08
  171.   Not the first or last time Arabs lied 02:29  |  Alex Olivo 03/03/08
  172.   This is to the two "l" Natallie who knows how to spell 02:33  |  Gilbert Simon MD 03/03/08
  173.   Real question: Was child really killed??? 02:35  |  Avishai 03/03/08
  174.   #136 Johnboy & you look at your monitor 02:39  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  175.   #145 Ben Hamed - nice round figure 02:41  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  176.   to #129 PETER SM, well you never know Israel 02:42  |  Zaki 03/03/08
  177.   What the expertise is telling us TODAY 02:43  |  TonyL 03/03/08
  178.   IDF bullets didn`t kill Mohammed al-Dura 02:51  |  mara 03/03/08
  179.   As always the Zionists try to lie and deceive 02:52  |  pal 03/03/08
  180.   #7 disbeliever - Jenin was NOT a massacre 03:02  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  181.   #24 jack VA 03:04  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  182.   #25 anti racist 03:06  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  183.   Ignorant Jenin "massacre" comment 03:29  |  Zak 03/03/08
  184.   to 155 BEN JABO 03:33  |  Ben Ali 03/03/08
  185.   bribe to cover up for israeli crimes, typical 04:09  |  raw truth 03/03/08
  186.   all participants should apologize 04:45  |  tragedy had no limit 03/03/08
  187.   #97 Zaki 04:53  |  Franco 03/03/08
  188.   Slowman`s wisdom on skipping posts 05:16  |  Adi Schwartz 03/03/08
  189.   This has been known by those seeking truth for years 05:38  |  Mark Hamil 03/03/08
  190.   ZAKI.I do know Israel.NO OFFICIAL media publishes hate like Pals 05:44  |  PETER SM 03/03/08
  191.   #165 Mara 05:50  |  Franco 03/03/08
  192.   #169, Ben Jabo... 05:54  |  Silvienne 03/03/08
  193.   #170, Zak... 05:56  |  Silvienne 03/03/08
  194.   Zak - Jenin 06:02  |  DP 03/03/08
  195.   IDF killed him stop lying 06:23  |  observer 03/03/08
  196.   #140 if they`re children don`t use them as fighters 06:24  |  McQueen 03/03/08
  197.   More killing of civilans reported 06:59  |  Mata 03/03/08
  198.   ISRAEL DID NOT DO IT!!!! 07:12  |  PADDY 03/03/08
  199.   My back is turning away from Palestinians... 07:12  |  Jack Skanton 03/03/08
  200.   Yeah right, Jesus too was accidentally killed. 07:43  |  American 03/03/08
  201.   dr. ben alofs 07:44  |  saul a. readner 03/03/08
  202.   SPINS, SPINS, SPINS, TYPICAL. THE WORLD IS GETTING SICK! 07:46  |  Frank Chun 03/03/08
  203.   CHILD KILLERS - DISRESPECT OF THE VICTIMS IS YOUR VICTORY 08:02  |  Claudia 03/03/08
  204.   #179 - Silvienne 08:13  |  JES 03/03/08
  205.   ... AND THE CONCLUSION IS: THE FATHER KILLED HIS OWN SON! 08:21  |  Self-Hater 03/03/08
  206.   TRUTH HERE: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/959643.html 08:29  |  Self-Hater 03/03/08
  207.   FOR JEWS ONLY - goyim stay out please! 08:31  |  FINDER 03/03/08
  208.   Pallywood t it`s nastiest,stooping lower than a snake`s butt 09:05  |  Shakran IbnShakranim 03/03/08
  209.   This makes us Palestinians look very bad. 09:12  |  Lakshmi of Amman 03/03/08
  210.   to #176 Franco, well read your talmoud first 09:16  |  Zaki 03/03/08
  211.   Just goes to show you that Eurabia will believe anything agains`t 09:17  |  Natalie Durson 03/03/08
  212.   #172 Zak and ignorant Jenin "massacre" comment 09:19  |  hala 03/03/08
  213.   Another nasty Palestinian staged incident one of many 09:20  |  Maureen Ann 03/03/08
  214.   "AMERICAN" Pilate killed Jesus.Arabs did 9/11!! 09:21  |  PETER SM 03/03/08
  215.   Another disgusting and Pathetic staged shooting 09:24  |  Clickfool 03/03/08
  216.   to # 126 Steve, another advice, watch out 09:26  |  Zaki 03/03/08
  217.   #10 09:37  |  Greg 03/03/08
  218.   The Same Trickery is Done For Terror PLO-PA Invalid Representatio 12:50  |  Joseph . E 03/03/08
  219.   #173 Ben Ali - go ahead vomit 14:42  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  220.   #181 Silvienne - The problem was 14:47  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  221.   #181-2 Silvienne - Regarding the waving 14:51  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  222.   #189 American (Good grief, not another one) 14:53  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  223.   We suspected all along that this was staged 15:44  |  Silvienne 03/03/08
  224.   "Blood libel 2000." Somethings never change... 16:05  |  bat yam 03/03/08
  225.   @173, vomit all you can ben ali loser 16:46  |  vladimir 03/03/08
  226.   Oh no American, Jesus was deliberately killed 16:49  |  Jacob Blues 03/03/08
  227.   Charles Enderlin is responsible for a Blood Libel 16:51  |  Rochelle Michaels 03/03/08
  228.   France 2 and France are not a source of information 17:45  |  Sunny Barkats 03/03/08
  229.   staged 17:55  |  RW 03/03/08
  230.   #188 Jack 18:22  |  Gordon 03/03/08
  231.   another made in Pallywood movie 20:18  |  alan 03/03/08
  232.   natallie durson 20:21  |  alan 03/03/08
  233.   What a crap 21:03  |  Palestinian 03/03/08
  234.   #203 Silvienne - My thoughts on the matter 21:18  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  235.   We REMEMBER 21:19  |  THE TEACHER/INSTRUCT 03/03/08
  236.   #194 self-hater stop self-deluding yourself 21:21  |  * BEN JABO 03/03/08
  237.   Parallel Puzzlement 23:11  |  charles 03/03/08
  238.   K A T H Y #132 23:36  |  THE TEACHER/INSTRUCT 03/03/08
  239.   # 9 durson 23:56  |  dan 03/03/08
  240.   Jenin was not a massacre ! 00:11  |  edmond danijean 04/03/08
  241.   #196 FINDER - U.S. had Benedict Arnold 01:23  |  * BEN JABO 04/03/08
  242.   #203 2ND TRY Silvienne - Staged with blood effects 01:26  |  * BEN JABO 04/03/08
  243.   RAGE BOY 02:54  |  LYNNE 04/03/08
  244.   #193, JES... 05:36  |  Silvienne 04/03/08
  245.   #203, Oh well, I didn`t write post #203.....! 05:39  |  Silvienne 04/03/08
  246.   #206, Ben Jabo to Self-Hater.... 05:41  |  Silvienne 04/03/08
  247.   What happens next,the proverbial has already hit the fan 06:57  |  Silvienne of Jenin 04/03/08
  248.   #212; hala, that`s easy to figure out without bias of course 14:10  |  Doc Holliday 04/03/08
  249.   THIS IS A OLD STORY COVERED BY 2ND DRAFT AT LEAST 2 YEARS AGO 14:18  |  Doc Holliday 04/03/08
  250.   #246 Silvienne - The Independent Researcher 15:54  |  * BEN JABO 04/03/08
  251.   #210 Zaki: wrong quote & wrong answer 21:04  |  Franco 04/03/08
  252.   #210 Zaki: wrong quote & wrong answer (2) 21:08  |  Franco 04/03/08
  253.   Ben Jabo & Silvienne 01:55  |  Amused Bystander 05/03/08
  254.   #253 Amused Bystander 06:34  |  * BEN JABO 05/03/08
  255.   #253-2 Amused Bystander 06:56  |  * BEN JABO 05/03/08
  256.   #253, Amused Bystander... 11:39  |  Silvienne 05/03/08
  257.   #253, Amused Bystander... 11:41  |  Silvienne 05/03/08
  258.   #250, Ben Jabo... 11:45  |  Silvienne 05/03/08
  259.   #242, Ben Jabo... 11:47  |  Silvienne 05/03/08
  260.   #222, Ben Jabo... 11:54  |  Silvienne 05/03/08
  261.   #254 Silvienne 12:51  |  * BEN JABO 05/03/08
  262.   Ben Jabo, Keep banging on that keyboard 14:10  |  Bemused Bystander 05/03/08
  263.   #254, Ben Jabo... 18:16  |  Silvienne 05/03/08
  264.   #261, Ben Jabo... 18:21  |  Silvienne 05/03/08
  265.   #254 Silvienne - I`ll tell you what it means 21:08  |  * BEN JABO 05/03/08
  266.   #262 2ND TRY I see that you`re banging on the keyboard 21:10  |  * BEN JABO 05/03/08
  267.   #265, Ben Jabo... 08:32  |  Silvienne 07/03/08
  268.   Ben Jabo--I`ve just thought of something... 08:34  |  Silvienne 07/03/08
  269.   Ban Jabo and his keyboard fetish 10:45  |  Amused Bystander 07/03/08
  270.   #268 Silvienne - problems with bullets 18:33  |  * BEN JABO 07/03/08
  271.   #270, Ben Jabo...oh well... 22:34  |  Silvienne 07/03/08
  272.   #271 Silvienne - If you really want to get confused 16:45  |  * BEN JABO 08/03/08
  273.   #271-2 Silvienne - you shouldn`t have started me on guns 02:59  |  * BEN JABO 09/03/08
  274.   #271-3 Silvienne - Correction to my post 16:06  |  * BEN JABO 09/03/08
  275.   #272, Ben Jabo... 19:34  |  Silvienne 09/03/08
  276.   #273, Ben Jabo... 21:43  |  Silvienne 09/03/08
  277.   #275 Silvienne re: M16`s 03:14  |  * BEN JABO 10/03/08
  278.   #276 Silvienne 03:23  |  * BEN JABO 10/03/08
  279.   #277, Ben Jabo... 22:42  |  Silvienne 10/03/08
  280.   #278, Ben Jabo...regarding guns... 22:45  |  Silvienne 10/03/08
  281.   #279 Silvienne - Jews have to be buried same day, except 03:54  |  * BEN JABO 11/03/08
  282.   #280 Silvienne - Garand 04:01  |  * BEN JABO 11/03/08
  283.   #281, Ben Jabo... 04:21  |  Silvienne 12/03/08
  284.   Israel is used to this kind of treatment from the media... 06:53  |  tabulus 12/03/08
  285.   #283 Silvienne 17:05  |  * BEN JABO 12/03/08
  286.   #285, Ben Jabo... 03:33  |  Silvienne 13/03/08
  287.   #286 Silvienne 00:06  |  * BEN JABO 14/03/08
  288.   #287 Silvienne - I forgot one important thing 04:39  |  * BEN JABO 14/03/08
  289.   Ben Jabo... 04:10  |  Silvienne 15/03/08
  290.   #289 Silvienne 17:03  |  * BEN JABO 15/03/08
  291.   #290, Ben Jabo... 01:54  |  Silvienne 16/03/08
  292.   #291 Silvienne - Gimmee a break 04:13  |  * BEN JABO 17/03/08
  293.   French stench Journalism 01:34  |  William 27/06/08
  294.   reply to Maerton 11:23  |  Alaa 27/10/08
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