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German intellectuals: Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust
By Cnaan Liphshiz
Tags: Palestinians, Germany 

A group of visiting German intellectuals called on Berlin on Monday to change what they termed its Holocaust-rooted blind support of Israel, saying the creation of the State of Israel turned Palestinians into victims of the Nazi Holocaust as well.

The four, Dr. Reiner Steinweg, Prof. Gert Krell, Prof. Georg Meggle, and Jorg Becker, took part in a debate Monday evening at the Netanya Academic College on the future of German-Israeli relations. They were among 25 signatories to a petition on the issue that was circulated in the German media following the Second Lebanon War.

According to the manifesto, German responsibility toward the Palestinians is "one side of the consequences of the Holocaust which receives far too little attention." The paper goes on to argue that it was the Holocaust which Germany perpetrated that brought about "the suffering that has persisted [in the Middle East] for the last six decades and has at present become unbearable."
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This, according to the manifesto titled "Friendship and Criticism," is because "without the Holocaust of the Jews, Israeli policy would not see itself as entitled - or forced to ride over the human rights of the Palestinians and the inhabitants of Lebanon."

Without the Holocaust, the document adds, Israel would not have enjoyed the same material and political support from the U.S. The researchers told Haaretz this also applies to support from Germany.

"So it is not only Israel which can lay claim to special consideration on the part of Germany. As Germans we share not only a responsibility toward Israel's existence, but also for the living conditions of the Palestinian People," the scholars concluded.

The four cosignatories attended the debate at the invitation of former deputy Knesset speaker, Dov Ben-Meir, who organized the event. In December 2006, Ben-Meir wrote what he titled "a friendly response" to the manifesto, which he in turn circulated in the media.

In his response, Ben-Meir said the original manifesto reflected a "simplistic" approach. One of the main reasons for the conflict and the current state of Arabs and Palestinians, Ben-Meir said, was intransigence on their part and their reliance on violence instead of dialogue.

Conceding that Germany's attitude to Israel is part of a Holocaust-based "special relationship," Ben-Meir said at the debate that this relationship - which included huge reparations payments that Germany made to Israel in the 1950s - was primarily a German interest, more than an Israeli one.

"By agreeing to put Germany's Nazi past aside, the Jewish nation has granted Germany an entrance pass into the family of nations after Germany was considered a pariah nation because of its Nazi past," he said.

The debate, which drew a crowd of some 150 people, took place in the framework of a panel discussion. Representing the German scholars were Professor Meggle, who specializes in philosophical anthropology at the University of Leipzig, and Dr. Steinweg, a researcher at the Linz branch of the Austrian Study Centre for Peace and Conflict Resolution.

Steinweg said the group came to clear up misunderstandings about the manifesto, which according to him has been misconstrued as a call to end Germany's longstanding friendship with Israel.

Local panelists included former Israeli ambassador to Germany Shimon Stein, correspondent for Die Zeit, Gisela Dachs and Professor Moshe Zimmermann, Director of the Koebner Minerva Center for German History at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

Zimmermann said the issue of the Holocaust was currently subject to political manipulation both by Israel and in Germany. "The Israelis try to use this issue to paint people who criticize Israel as anti-Semites. At the same time, this manifesto is an attempt to manipulate German feelings of guilt vis-à-vis the Holocaust, by projecting them onto the Palestinians," he argued.

"If the Germans want to feel guilt about the Holocaust, they better stick to the Poles, the Dutch and the Jews. There is no need to go as far as to feel guilty for what happened to the Palestinians," he added.

Commenting on the heated discussion that ensued, Herman Bunz from the Friedrich Ebert Stiftung - the private non-profit German organization which funded the visit by the German scholars - told the panelists, "This is the perfect chance to misunderstand each other, but I would advise you to do the opposite."

"They are a minority, but they educate young German minds and we cannot afford to brush their criticism aside as anti-Semitic. We must confront it," said Ben-Meir.

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  1.   Nazis still equate Jews with subhumans 04:11  |  Genuine Tosefta 19/02/08
  2.   assertion of blind support only to those who are blind. pals 04:16  |  ralph 19/02/08
  3.   Assumptions and Conclusions 04:25  |  Brad 19/02/08
  4.   Why is it bad for the Palestinians? 04:33  |  igco 19/02/08
  5.   Amen 04:37  |  John Bull Capistrano 19/02/08
  6.   To #1 Genune Tosefta 05:14  |  Shtarka 19/02/08
  7.   Stop blind support of Germans 05:37  |  George Bakalov 19/02/08
  8.   Stop accepting Germans "blindly" 05:43  |  George Bakalov 19/02/08
  9.   To # 1 and every Jew 05:43  |  Heinrich 19/02/08
  10.   Of course they take this position 06:00  |  Nechama 19/02/08
  11.   #1, yes thats why jews act like nazis? 06:06  |  raw truth 19/02/08
  12.   "Blind"support? Germany has very good relations with Iran 06:19  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
  13.   NAZI Genocide of Jews was strongly encouraged by Pal. Mufti. 06:26  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
  14.   Isn`t Germany Iran`s Largest Trading Partner? 06:49  |  Leslie-Ann 19/02/08
  15.   To igco 07:00  |  Yeshu 19/02/08
  16.   "intellectuals" 07:07  |  MarkC 19/02/08
  17.   blind support of pal politics, party leads to failed state, faile 07:10  |  ralph 19/02/08
  18.   #1 Then why don`t you treat poor palestinians better 07:34  |  whatever 19/02/08
  19.   Germans are still evil 07:36  |  David Kessler 19/02/08
  20.   10Peter Mufti took active part in Holocaust, in Bosnia 08:08  |  Rob 19/02/08
  21.   with all due respect... 08:56  |  scallywag 19/02/08
  22.   It is bad for Israel as well 08:58  |  MiddleStanian 19/02/08
  23.   The jews had blind support for Iranians 09:06  |  lydia 19/02/08
  24.   Raw Truth? You Mean Stale and Stupid Lie 09:19  |  Brad 19/02/08
  25.   German Intellectuals or Idiots 09:19  |  Ori 19/02/08
  26.   to Tosefta 09:21  |  Puhi 19/02/08
  27.   PETER SM is right on track... 09:23  |  Ehud 19/02/08
  28.   #8 Response 09:24  |  Ori 19/02/08
  29.   raw truth 09:31  |  scallywag 19/02/08
  30.   .........AND ALL THE TIME I THOUGHT THAT 09:39  |  Robert 19/02/08
  31.   ignorant about history 10:13  |  george 19/02/08
  32.   this article has some VERY revealing quotes 10:20  |  eric 19/02/08
  33.   Reparations for whom...? 10:24  |  Esther 19/02/08
  34.   #9 10:37  |  Rab Burns 19/02/08
  35.   Twisted thinking that also sees "Sudeten Germans" as victims. 10:42  |  Dr. L. Brnd 19/02/08
  36.   Appendix 10:48  |  Martin 19/02/08
  37.   Palestinians are victims of bad leaders 10:48  |  Ilan 19/02/08
  38.   Arabs Agression Policies Against the Jews Started Before WWII 10:50  |  Joseph . E 19/02/08
  39.   the described position sums 10:50  |  cool 19/02/08
  40.   Kessler 10:57  |  Rhett Butler #19 19/02/08
  41.   Genuine No 1 11:01  |  American in Paris 19/02/08
  42.   what was the point in giving them a platform in israel 11:06  |  harzion 19/02/08
  43.   "conceding that isreal`s relationship with germany based on" etc 11:09  |  harzion 19/02/08
  44.   Genuine Tosefta, agreed!!! 11:10  |  akiva (zionist) 19/02/08
  45.   Brad of Canada 11:15  |  akiva (zionist) 19/02/08
  46.   How to re-do History with a "what if?"... 11:18  |  Ari 19/02/08
  47.   Quite right, you are! 11:21  |  ana silva 19/02/08
  48.   THIS IS A PROGRESS 11:25  |  indrajaya 19/02/08
  49.   iran, germany 11:27  |  rico 19/02/08
  50.   raw truth = (any) raw material 11:33  |  Uri 19/02/08
  51.   the krauts 11:34  |  don 19/02/08
  52.   mind without substance 11:34  |  akiva (zionist) 19/02/08
  53.   We Jews have so much to be grateful for... 11:42  |  Naftush 19/02/08
  54.   This is sad 11:51  |  Jammie 19/02/08
  55.   to #7 - stop blind support to jew 11:59  |  cesare 19/02/08
  56.   The right of Israel to exist is questioned 12:00  |  Jonathan S 19/02/08
  57.   SIT IN A GERMAN 12:05  |  KING DAVID 19/02/08
  58.   the so called professors are ignorant of history 12:15  |  v hardman 19/02/08
  59.   THERE`D BE NO HOLOCAUST IF NOT FOR NAZI GERMANY 12:16  |  Petra 19/02/08
  60.   To a certain extent the intellectuals are correct...... 12:18  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/02/08
  61.   "German intellectuals": you have had your pound of flesh 12:20  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/02/08
  62.   SMALL GROUP OF FRINGE LEFTIST GERMANS, HAARETZ IS ANTI-ISRAEL 12:24  |  Steve Randolph 19/02/08
  63.   iraq childre are also victems of holucost 12:35  |  buckrogers 19/02/08
  64.   intellectuals hate Israel...Stupid like it 12:38  |  Stein 19/02/08
  65.   nazi attitudes 12:43  |  tomkrishan 19/02/08
  66.   nazi attitudes 12:43  |  tomkrishan 19/02/08
  67.   nazi attitudes 12:43  |  tomkrishan 19/02/08
  68.   Well said 26, Puhi 12:52  |  Nihat 19/02/08
  69.   RAW TRUTH 12:53  |  danny 19/02/08
  70.   This is the sad truth 12:54  |  El-Birawi 19/02/08
  71.   German intell. citing Ahmadenijehad´s UN-speech word by word! 12:55  |  AliciaYasmeen 19/02/08
  72.   Bravooooooooooo! 12:55  |  Minda 19/02/08
  73.   # 48 buckrogers 12:56  |  danny 19/02/08
  74.   Mmentally incompetent Israelis discuss with Nazis.... 13:01  |  17 19/02/08
  75.   How is a German born after WWII responsible 13:06  |  Paul Wood 19/02/08
  76.   Palestinians victims of German Nazi ideology 13:07  |  Jonathan S 19/02/08
  77.   Nahh...lets take this a bit further... 13:11  |  Ofer Maimon 19/02/08
  78.   More Zionist arrogance 13:15  |  Boycott 19/02/08
  79.   About the German-Palestinian symbiosis 13:19  |  Jonathan S 19/02/08
  80.   Swisser...please try to understand the absolute basics.... 13:28  |  Ofer Maimon 19/02/08
  81.   If ignorants get at work the confusion becomes perfect. 13:29  |  Karl 19/02/08
  82.   El-Birawi.... 13:32  |  Ofer Maimon 19/02/08
  83.   Palestinians are victims of it own brothers Germans intellectuals 13:35  |  Daniel 19/02/08
  84.   BOYCOTT a Brit talking about arrogance.!! 13:39  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
  85.   #69 wood between the ears needs lessons economics 13:43  |  v hardman 19/02/08
  86.   No Surprise! 13:45  |  Jeff 19/02/08
  87.   GET OVER YOURSELVES, GERMANS - palestinians victimize themselves! 13:55  |  michelle 19/02/08
  88.   Palestinians have had to pay the price for a European crime! If 13:56  |  lakshmi 19/02/08
  89.   Germans are delivering Pals from personal responsibility 13:58  |  AliciaYasmeen 19/02/08
  90.   how do you know? 14:03  |  doesistmatter 19/02/08
  91.   and does the killing of 6 million Jews entitle Germany to any sta 14:16  |  r 19/02/08
  92.   # 80 Ofer Maimon 14:18  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/02/08
  93.   swiss dino`s "GENEROSITY" & "FAIRNESS" begin from 1948 ONLY 14:18  |  CK Tan 19/02/08
  94.   swiss dino`s "GENEROSITY" & "FAIRNESS" begin from 1948 ONLY 14:21  |  CK Tan 19/02/08
  95.   #75, Paul Wood, your logic is lacking 14:24  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/02/08
  96.   Where is that petition, let me sign it please. 14:34  |  Mary 19/02/08
  97.   Clearly, without the Holocaust 14:34  |  Yaakov Sullivan 19/02/08
  98.   #85 v hardman 14:37  |  Paul Wood 19/02/08
  99.   Kudos. About time someone printed these truths... 14:50  |  POP 19/02/08
  100.   #84 PeterSM squatter from daan unde 14:52  |  Labhras 19/02/08
  101.   It`s certainly correct 14:58  |  christoph 19/02/08
  102.   #84 PETER SM 15:07  |  Boycott 19/02/08
  103.   Rubbish - Palestinians were not victims of the holocaust. 15:26  |  gregg 19/02/08
  104.   Palestinians participated in Hitlers SS 15:27  |  Herbert Kaine 19/02/08
  105.   Nothing to do with that 15:32  |  Xavier Cugat 19/02/08
  106.   the arabs allied with democracies at WWIW 15:48  |  Xavier Cugat 19/02/08
  107.   unfair to germans democrats! 15:55  |  Johnny Weissmuller 19/02/08
  108.   Give Germany To The Jews Then.... 16:01  |  Hanan 19/02/08
  109.   STUDY YOUR HISTORY!!!! 16:03  |  George W. Bush 19/02/08
  110.   German Holocaust 16:03  |  Johnny Weissmuller 19/02/08
  111.   German intellectuals: Israel`s creation made Palestinians victims 16:05  |  Joseph 19/02/08
  112.   Leftist Intellectuals and Artificial Intelligence 16:06  |  B 19/02/08
  113.   #92 Cipora Julianna Kohn 16:06  |  Paul Wood 19/02/08
  114.   THE WORLD IS TO BLAME 16:09  |  George W. Bush 19/02/08
  115.   German intellectuals.? 16:17  |  JOSEPH 19/02/08
  116.   a nazi behaviour! 16:18  |  Johnny Weissmuller 19/02/08
  117.   Obamas in Germany 16:20  |  st dortenik 19/02/08
  118.   Manifesto Fever? 16:22  |  new_york_loner 19/02/08
  119.   Auschwitz creating a Palestinian state 16:26  |  Jonathan S 19/02/08
  120.   # 90 / 91 CK Tan, thanks for the "double-message"..... 16:33  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/02/08
  121.   get over yourselves, germans --palestinians victimize themselves! 16:37  |  michelle 19/02/08
  122.   What the German professors really said 16:41  |  Jonathan S 19/02/08
  123.   96 - strange, I dont see their arms tatooed 16:51  |  Steve 19/02/08
  124.   Holocaust slowed down statehood 16:58  |  FOX 19/02/08
  125.   HOW ABOUT THE TRUTH-APOLOGISTS! 17:01  |  BARRY 19/02/08
  126.   Palestinian dispossession was under way before the Holocaust 17:04  |  Pssd Off American 19/02/08
  127.   # 11 RAW TRUTH 17:06  |  Nicole 19/02/08
  128.   We Want You To Learn, Heinreich 17:06  |  Tex 19/02/08
  129.   Well, well I see some Germans still trying to finish what Hitler- 17:08  |  bat yam 19/02/08
  130.   # 6 to # 1 17:12  |  John 19/02/08
  131.   But What If Palestinians Are Never Happy? 17:17  |  Yosemite 19/02/08
  132.   #11 raw Tooth 17:28  |  Robert/Montreal 19/02/08
  133.   do these intellectuals propose giving most of spain back to the a 17:28  |  ralph 19/02/08
  134.   arabs/pals have no more right to israel then they do to most of s 17:29  |  ralph 19/02/08
  135.   Germans intellectuals( !!! ) 17:31  |  Altalena 19/02/08
  136.   The German intellectuals are right 17:31  |  Ben Alofs 19/02/08
  137.   #9 Heinrich 17:33  |  Robert/ Montreal 19/02/08
  138.   #75 My Mother in law was a survivor now gone 17:39  |  Robert/Montreal 19/02/08
  139.   Nihat - to learn to get criticism 17:40  |  David Israel 19/02/08
  140.   indraja continuing to be an idiot 17:42  |  Robert/Montreal 19/02/08
  141.   Just remember Dr Mengele was a Proffessor from Germany 17:44  |  Robert/Montreal 19/02/08
  142.   The Germans have a point 17:49  |  Tosefta 19/02/08
  143.   THEY NEVER SEM TO CORRELATE ANCIENT AND MODERN ISRAEL 17:50  |  ANDREW 19/02/08
  144.   martin - appendix 17:50  |  scallywag 19/02/08
  145.   Saying anything? 17:53  |  Blip 19/02/08
  146.   IT WELL DOCUMENTED: ZIONISTS WORKED WITH NAZIS 17:57  |  TripleJump 19/02/08
  147.   Mary #93 go... ah whats the point. 18:12  |  Robert/Montreal 19/02/08
  148.   To Indrajaya, Yaakov, etc. Do you trust 18:14  |  Altalena 19/02/08
  149.   #11 raw lies 18:18  |  Moshe 19/02/08
  150.   Utter rubbish 18:23  |  David Hoffman 19/02/08
  151.   ex squatter labhras forced to leave the US and living in hiding 18:26  |  Geee 19/02/08
  152.   #18 whatever 18:30  |  Moshe 19/02/08
  153.   TripleJump (#107) 18:42  |  christoph 19/02/08
  154.   #89 swiss d CHERRY PICKED poll results - so can I ! 18:43  |  CK Tan 19/02/08
  155.   #89 swiss d CHERRY PICKED poll results - so can I ! 18:44  |  CK Tan 19/02/08
  156.   Hey Triple Dump #112 18:53  |  ROBERT/MONTREAL 19/02/08
  157.   David Kessler 18:53  |  Angel 19/02/08
  158.   #104 Robert of Montreal 18:57  |  Paul Wood 19/02/08
  159.   palestinians are their own worst enemies 19:04  |  michelle 19/02/08
  160.   NONSENSE! UNDER THE MUFTI, PALESTINIANS WERE NAZIS THEMSELVES 19:06  |  Joel Stein 19/02/08
  161.   Arabs Leaders War Crimes Anti-Zionist Policies Made Arabs Victims 19:10  |  Joseph E . post 1 19/02/08
  162.   David Israel 19:12  |  Nihat 19/02/08
  163.   The "Mandate for Palestine" is valid to this day 19:12  |  Joseph E . post 2 19/02/08
  164.   Myth: Arabs rejected the "unbalanced" Partition Plan 19:15  |  Joseph E . Post 3 19/02/08
  165.   Mr Paul Wood #158 A gentleman 19:16  |  Robert/Montreal 19/02/08
  166.   Nazis never change 19:17  |  Salty 19/02/08
  167.   Fundamentally flawed reasoning 19:25  |  Mark Lincoln 19/02/08
  168.   #142 Tosefta-lessening or broadening? 19:28  |  Dorothy 19/02/08
  169.   #143 Andrew 19:31  |  Boycott 19/02/08
  170.   #166 Salty 19:33  |  Boycott 19/02/08
  171.   TO Leslie-Ann #14 19:39  |  Persian Kitty 19/02/08
  172.   146, 158 Triple Jump & Paul W. Collaboration 19:47  |  Altalena 19/02/08
  173.   ben alofs "it took a catalysmic event like the 19:48  |  100000dutchmen 19/02/08
  174.   What Chutspa, Germany murders 6,000,000 Jews to effort to rid,1 20:04  |  David Turner 19/02/08
  175.   #13 So predictable. Peter SM brings out the Mufti! 20:04  |  Ben Alofs 19/02/08
  176.   # 147 Robert/Montreal 20:07  |  Mary 19/02/08
  177.   # 155 CK Tan, can you show me the link to that poll....... 20:11  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/02/08
  178.   the mufti is a fair and valid point, Ben Alofs 20:15  |  JJ 19/02/08
  179.   Shoah, Israel, Palestinians 20:28  |  Cord Henrik Kaldrack 19/02/08
  180.   HATE: Arab Patients in Israeli Hospital REJOICE Jews are MURDERED 20:32  |  Linda Rivera 19/02/08
  181.   Yaacov Sullivan - Creation of Israel 20:33  |  David Israel 19/02/08
  182.   1000000000 Dutchmen # 173 20:36  |  Lynn 19/02/08
  183.   It`s True - Germans Are Right 20:44  |  D.Torres 19/02/08
  184.   BOYCOTT remember the British rampage after the" black hole-" 20:45  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
  185.   El Birawi...... 20:51  |  Lynn 19/02/08
  186.   The issue is not Germany per se (Dorothy #168) 20:54  |  Tosefta 19/02/08
  187.   To 179. CHK in Berlin. Germany & Israel 21:00  |  Altalena 19/02/08
  188.   126 Pssd Off American - From one Pssd off American. to another 21:04  |  Pssd off American. 19/02/08
  189.   German support for Israel 21:13  |  Keith T. 19/02/08
  190.   Also blame Balfour, and nations who refused Jewish immigrants! 21:14  |  Toronto`s Finest 19/02/08
  191.   # 7 George Balakov 21:16  |  Alex 19/02/08
  192.   #184 Peter SM 21:18  |  Boycott 19/02/08
  193.   #13 JUST TO FILL IN SOME DETAILS 21:24  |  Ian 19/02/08
  194.   #186 Tosefta- As usual, you think geo-politically 21:25  |  Dorothy 19/02/08
  195.   Do not forget the Britts´ "White Paper" from 1936 21:28  |  AliciaYasmeen 19/02/08
  196.   these "intellectuals" 21:28  |  Alex 19/02/08
  197.   #136 Ben Alofs 21:32  |  Daybreak 19/02/08
  198.   Ben-Meir forgot part of history 21:35  |  Jozef 19/02/08
  199.   BOYCOTT like Nazis .Check out the Hamas plans for Israel 21:41  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
  200.   STILL PLENTY OF PERSIL IN GERMANY 21:48  |  Ian 19/02/08
  201.   Swiss Dino (Re: Resolution 181) 22:03  |  Oleg 19/02/08
  202.   These Germans are clear cut Racists 22:04  |  Dr eric 19/02/08
  203.   Uh Minda, think about it 22:23  |  Scharker Yid 19/02/08
  204.   Mary #176 I decided to quote this to you 22:27  |  Robert/ Montreal 19/02/08
  205.   Kaldrack-Deitchland 22:29  |  io 19/02/08
  206.   Ben Alof & Toronto`s Finest,Ben I know from previous posts is a 22:37  |  lakshmi 19/02/08
  207.   Israel was created over 2000 years ago folks 22:39  |  B`Galil 19/02/08
  208.   # 200 Oleg 22:41  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/02/08
  209.   #201 offered peace to the arabs numerous times.. 22:47  |  Fritz T. 19/02/08
  210.   So today it was Germans P1 22:48  |  TonyL 19/02/08
  211.   So today it was Germans P2 22:50  |  TonyL 19/02/08
  212.   #199 Peter SM 22:52  |  Boycott 19/02/08
  213.   Toronto`s whatever #190 u r an ignorant hypocrite 22:53  |  FOX 19/02/08
  214.   So today it was Germans P3 22:53  |  TonyL 19/02/08
  215.   I`ve been saying that for along time 22:54  |  Adam 19/02/08
  216.   after Palestine joins Israel in the world of nations 23:04  |  natan 19/02/08
  217.   Arabs must also apologize to Israel for the Holocaust 23:06  |  Ruben 19/02/08
  218.   #199 Peter SM Squatter from daan unde 23:10  |  Labhras 19/02/08
  219.   # 204 Robert/ Montreal 23:11  |  Mary 19/02/08
  220.   dorothy there is no hope for you 23:14  |  amir yoffe 19/02/08
  221.   Clarification for the unknowledgeable 23:17  |  Larry 19/02/08
  222.   dorothy "tosefta you are thinking on a geopolitical level and 23:17  |  amir yoffe 19/02/08
  223.   BALLOFS. Here are 2 accademics who refute your whitewash. 23:20  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
  224.   For the unknowledgeable Here 23:22  |  Larry 19/02/08
  225.   For the unknowledgeable Here Part2 23:26  |  Larry 19/02/08
  226.   NO DUH! The Pals have paid for the Holocaust 23:32  |  Not Europeans 19/02/08
  227.   dorothy "lil ol me cannot think on a geopolitical level" 23:38  |  amir yoffe 19/02/08
  228.   #206 Lakshmi re One State and thoughts 23:41  |  Labhras 19/02/08
  229.   tosefta "israel needs tough love" 23:41  |  amir yoffe 19/02/08
  230.   Touche 23:42  |  Neil Golan 19/02/08
  231.   a little about the flying dutchman ben alofs 23:45  |  yomtov 19/02/08
  232.   Natan#215 What is Palestine 23:46  |  Robert/Montreal 19/02/08
  233.   ben alofs has given his children palestinian names. 23:48  |  yomtov 19/02/08
  234.   Israel`s Creation? 23:52  |  P. J. Casey 19/02/08
  235.   THAT`S RIGHT 23:55  |  Jack Olson 19/02/08
  236.   ben alofs runs a surgery in bangor wales 23:58  |  yomtov 19/02/08
  237.   Palestinian people weren`t really victims of the Holocaust. 23:59  |  Maureen Ann 19/02/08
  238.   the pope has created a new prayer to call for the conversion of 00:01  |  papalbull 20/02/08
  239.   catholic priests continue to sodomise catholic children 00:03  |  papalbull 20/02/08
  240.   coud the pope have been reading andrew marvell 00:05  |  papalbull 20/02/08
  241.   Indeed 00:20  |  JJ 20/02/08
  242.   234 PJCasey. On the other hand had there been no Holocaust... 00:23  |  commonn sense 20/02/08
  243.   An `Intellectual` Must First Have an Intellect 00:26  |  Solon 20/02/08
  244.   #10 Hi Nechama. Something for you to read @... 00:33  |  Maureen Ann 20/02/08
  245.   OLSON.YOU are playing the `antisemitic card" 00:36  |  PETER SM 20/02/08
  246.   Correct 00:36  |  Janice 20/02/08
  247.   Fox in archetypal Zionist denial mode 00:37  |  Ben Alofs 20/02/08
  248.   Squatter labhras forced to leave the US for his crimes 00:37  |  Geee 20/02/08
  249.   Fair Play 00:38  |  Goldberg 20/02/08
  250.   #212 Boycott 00:43  |  Moshe 20/02/08
  251.   iT`S SO OBVIUS 00:46  |  Estefania 20/02/08
  252.   germans 00:51  |  english jew 20/02/08
  253.   #212 Boycott 00:57  |  Moshe 20/02/08
  254.   to english jew 01:00  |  ah 20/02/08
  255.   110 &116 Hey herr weismuller 01:03  |  Was gibt hier? 20/02/08
  256.   George Jews don`t own the medical industry 01:03  |  Irish Sensation 20/02/08
  257.   NO PAUL WOOD 01:06  |  ELIAS KHOURY 20/02/08
  258.   what about the armenian massacre? 01:11  |  arman 20/02/08
  259.   Good try guys 01:11  |  Comforti 20/02/08
  260.   Knowing Israelis: I know their answer! 01:14  |  Sharif Hafez 20/02/08
  261.   Denying Palestinian existence is a nazi tactic 01:16  |  Mike McKenna 20/02/08
  262.   guinuine tosfetta 01:17  |  billy jack 20/02/08
  263.   Absolutely right 01:21  |  peacelover 20/02/08
  264.   hatred of Germans is OK 01:27  |  hollingsworth 20/02/08
  265.   irish hallucination is back 01:38  |  irish terrorist 20/02/08
  266.   Has no one in germany learned nothing since ww2? 01:43  |  rebel-liberator 20/02/08
  267.   KHOURY.THE only denial of suffering others comes from Arabs 01:56  |  PETER SM 20/02/08
  268.   Palestinian suffering is a direct result of 02:03  |  Che Vive 20/02/08
  269.   Robert/Montreal 02:05  |  natan 20/02/08
  270.   #95 cipora means court for participants? 02:13  |  made in germany 20/02/08
  271.   #95 cipora conclusio 02:15  |  made in germany 20/02/08
  272.   The creation of Israel will indeed see another 02:23  |  kiwi girl 20/02/08
  273.   Are Jews little gods? 02:25  |  S. Ashaer 20/02/08
  274.   228 Labhras,greetings! My problem with the one state is not that 02:31  |  lakshmi 20/02/08
  275.   Ben Alofs - the Mufti and the Holocaust 02:35  |  Mark Lincoln 20/02/08
  276.   JJ - twaddle 02:41  |  Mark Lincoln 20/02/08
  277.   Not much of a point - Tosefta 02:48  |  Mark Lincoln 20/02/08
  278.   The same germans 02:52  |  American 20/02/08
  279.   germany 02:55  |  American 20/02/08
  280.   BUT ENTIRELY FORESEEABLE 03:06  |  Stephen Connor 20/02/08
  281.   Nihat - I am glad 03:09  |  David Israel 20/02/08
  282.   Genuinely Paranoid Tosefta 03:10  |  Stephen Connor 20/02/08
  283.   the real subject is the jews had been exiled 03:16  |  raven 20/02/08
  284.   Mark Lincoln 03:16  |  Stephen Connor 20/02/08
  285.   Open letter to the German intellectuals P1 03:18  |  TonyL 20/02/08
  286.   Open letter to the German intellectuals P2 03:21  |  TonyL 20/02/08
  287.   Arman - enough with Israel and the Armenians 03:22  |  Stephen Connor 20/02/08
  288.   Natan in DC 03:33  |  Stephen Connor 20/02/08
  289.   #244, MAUREEN ANN, saomething i`ve been saying 03:37  |  VIPER 20/02/08
  290.   kiwi girl - hatred 04:04  |  motoko 20/02/08
  291.   billy jack #262 have my sympathy but why the Antisemitic vitriol1 04:08  |  Genuine Tosefta 20/02/08
  292.   billy jack #262 have my sympathy but why the Antisemitic vitriol2 04:15  |  Genuine Tosefta 20/02/08
  293.   @60, primitive idiotic swiss. generous offer??????? 04:21  |  vladimir 20/02/08
  294.   Mark L. "Fundamentally Flawed REasoning" 04:28  |  Dorothy 20/02/08
  295.   No, I wont be silenced by teh Jewish/Israeli lobby 04:33  |  American 20/02/08
  296.   Natan 269 Strange response 04:43  |  Robert/Montreal 20/02/08
  297.   But its the Romans who really started the whole problem 04:45  |  Murray of Montreal 20/02/08
  298.   Butler 04:45  |  Kessler 20/02/08
  299.   IRISH TERRORIST !! 04:51  |  Jewish terrorist 20/02/08
  300.   Now they use the Holocaust against the Jews 04:55  |  enrique 20/02/08
  301.   german intellectuals 05:04  |  Shmuelshachor 20/02/08
  302.   #276 Mark 05:15  |  Moshe 20/02/08
  303.   Dorothy - get intouch with reality 05:18  |  Mark Lincoln 20/02/08
  304.   David Israel #181 wrong, not a Jewish state 05:29  |  Palestinian Prince 20/02/08
  305.   The "Geat Schism" of Zionism 05:30  |  Mark Lincoln 20/02/08
  306.   Mark Lincoln you forget the fact 05:37  |  Rami 20/02/08
  307.   #120 swiss d tries to MUDDY the issue. AGAIN. 05:45  |  CK Tan 20/02/08
  308.   #155 swiss d takes CHEAP SHOT at POLL that PROVES him WRONG 05:47  |  CK Tan 20/02/08
  309.   #268 Che 05:49  |  Moshe 20/02/08
  310.   Every Generation 06:50  |  Steve 20/02/08
  311.   #275, 276 - Mark Lincoln 06:58  |  JES 20/02/08
  312.   Humanity 06:58  |  Steve wenick 20/02/08
  313.   307 CK Tan right. Holocaust could have been averted if Pals 07:17  |  Rob 20/02/08
  314.   #277 07:21  |  Shtraka 20/02/08
  315.   M.LINCOLN.Al Huseini and his role.Wikipedia 07:49  |  PETER SM 20/02/08
  316.   #270-271, made in germany 08:07  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/02/08
  317.   # 140, ROBERT/MONTREAL 08:09  |  indrajaya 20/02/08
  318.   ALTALENA 08:13  |  indrajaya 20/02/08
  319.   To Mark Lincoln at 30,000 feet 08:14  |  JES 20/02/08
  320.   Denial from the jews of what they have commited 08:20  |  Zaki 20/02/08
  321.   #289 snake in the grass and more of the same 08:44  |  v hardman 20/02/08
  322.   #272 kiwi fruit and her version of history 08:48  |  v hardman 20/02/08
  323.   Basically, From What I Gather Here... 09:08  |  Yosemite 20/02/08
  324.   #PeterSM. The old Yugoslavia (Serbs) 09:16  |  Maureen Ann 20/02/08
  325.   To All: Those are not Interlectuals 09:24  |  A German 20/02/08
  326.   to the so-called German intellectuals 11:09  |  Lillian - a proud Am 20/02/08
  327.   al Husseini??? 11:50  |  Johnny Weissmuller 20/02/08
  328.   #313 Rob - very true indeed 12:10  |  CK Tan 20/02/08
  329.   arabs died for freedom in WWII 12:20  |  Johnny Weissmuller 20/02/08
  330.   German "intellectuals" or simple liars... 12:43  |  Michael J 20/02/08
  331.   #320 - Zaki 14:09  |  JES 20/02/08
  332.   #329 - J. Weissmuller (aka Tarzan) 14:14  |  JES 20/02/08
  333.   Mark Lincoln- Reality 14:14  |  Dorothy 20/02/08
  334.   Palestinian Prince - why not Jewish State? 16:00  |  David Israel 20/02/08
  335.   327 al Husseini spent most WWII as Hitlers guest in Germany 16:06  |  Rob 20/02/08
  336.   333Dorothy -wrong. Read my post 313. 16:12  |  Rob 20/02/08
  337.   stephen connor`s brief history lesson 21:55  |  hollingsworth 20/02/08
  338.   History says otherwise 23:45  |  Joe 20/02/08
  339.   Is there is a monopoly over victim hood? 05:19  |  Nada 21/02/08
  340.   #316 cipora, some doubt it? 14:13  |  made in germany 21/02/08
  341.   Nechama`s comments 17:07  |  Afshin 21/02/08
  342.   to David Turner 19:37  |  hollingsworth 21/02/08
  343.   ho hum 10:22  |  zoya 22/02/08
  344.   to #331 JES 17:31  |  Zaki 22/02/08
  345.   to #334 David Israel 17:49  |  David 22/02/08
  346.   Guilt - Enough what good does it do 22:19  |  eve 22/02/08
  347.   German Imperialism 19:35  |  Motti Pasternak 11/03/08
  348.   Palestinians, Arabs and Germans benefited 09:06  |  Jew 12/03/08
  349.   rob, ann arbor 16:00  |  Paul S. 09/05/09
  350.   Dr. L Bernard 16:05  |  Paul S. 09/05/09
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