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United Nations Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Sir John Holmes (Tomer Appelbaum)
Last update - 20:24 18/02/2008
Top diplomat: Calling violence in south a 'cycle' may breed terror
By Akiva Eldar and Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondents
Tags: gaza, rocket fire 

Foreign Ministry Director-General Aharon Abramowitz on Monday accused a visiting United Nations official of equating terrorists with their victims, saying such discourse could encourage further attacks.

Abramowitz adamantly rejected remarks made by UN Undersecretary General John Holmes during the latter's visit to Sderot on Sunday, in which he called the crisis in the south "a cycle of violence."

During an official meeting with the former British diplomat, Abramowitz said such discourse draws parallels between terrorists and those who defend themselves against terror.
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He also stressed that these remarks could inadvertently lead terrorists to believe that the international community might apply pressure on Israel instead of addressing the roots of violence.

"The use of expressions such as these creates an analogy between the terrorists and those who are defending themselves against terror," Abramovich told Holmes, according to a statement issued by Israel's Foreign Ministry.

The statement added: "Holmes' remarks do not serve the interests of peace, as they may unwittingly encourage terrorists to believe that the international community will exert pressure on Israel, instead of dealing with the roots of the violence."

Abramowitz briefed Holmes on Israel's policy on defending itself from terror attacks - including the indiscriminate and relentless Qassam and mortar fire on the western Negev, the smuggling of weapons and militants, and ongoing efforts of terror groups to carry out attacks against Israel.

Abramowitz said he expects the UN and democratic countries - some of whom deal with similar extremist threats - to support Israel in its struggle against terror and organizations that refuse to recognize it.

When asked about the Foreign Ministry statement, Holmes said: "I think it's very hard to construe from what I said anything which could be said to be encouraging terrorism."

Holmes: Defense and foreign ministers have refused to meet me

On Sunday, Holmes warned Israel against an invasion of the Gaza Strip and said that the crisis in the South can be solved only by diplomacy.

"The only thing that will make a lasting difference is a peace settlement," he said. "You can't stop these problems militarily. They have to be solved through negotiations."

In an interview with Haaretz after his visit to Sderot, Sir John Holmes said that the response to the Qassam rocket attacks must be proportional from a humanitarian point of view. The former British diplomat, who had been involved in negotiations regarding Northern Ireland, said that despite the terrorism, the British government never considered bombing that region, and sought other means to resolve the crisis.

Holmes said he was aware of the domestic pressure on the Israeli government to respond to the Qassam attacks, as well as the differences between the situation here and in Northern Ireland, but said there were no magic formulas.

The senior UN official had requested to meet with Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak, but was turned down.

Regarding the continued Qassam rocket attacks, Holmes said during a visit to Sderot, "We condemn absolutely the firing of these rockets. There's no justification for it. They are indiscriminate."

Two weeks ago, Israel's ambassador to the UN, Dan Gillerman, attacked Holmes for a statement he issued against collective punishment in the Gaza Strip, while ignoring the rocket attacks against Sderot.

Holmes said Sunday that Gillerman apologized when he learned that the condemnation also included specific references to the rocket attacks on Sderot.

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      1.   Response to the Qassam rocket attacks must be proportional 03:03  |  g 18/02/08
      2.   UN 03:26  |  Jim 18/02/08
      3.   The very idea of diplomacy with Hamas... 03:28  |  Maureen Ann 18/02/08
      4.   Sir John Holmes` Proportions 03:31  |  Fish 18/02/08
      5.   pls dont use stupid "qassam" excuse again 03:42  |  rawtruth 18/02/08
      6.   Anybody bother to ask this stooge for a definition ... 03:44  |  Ali 18/02/08
      7.   O.K. Holmes: No Double Speak 03:46  |  Brad 18/02/08
      8.   peace with hamas not possible 03:56  |  real vision 18/02/08
      9.   More UN BS 03:58  |  Frank 18/02/08
      10.   Justifying Kassam rockets as tentative to kill civilians 04:04  |  Marcelo 18/02/08
      11.   what is proportional? rocket for rocket? stupid comment. 04:07  |  ralph 18/02/08
      12.   I am no expert but the problem isn`t Qassams but the 04:20  |  R 18/02/08
      13.   Brits Never Had 10 Bombs Per Week 04:37  |  Rightster 18/02/08
      14.   Believe Not Holmes When He Says Gillerman apologised . 04:49  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      15.   #1 Yeah, sure, G 05:07  |  Johnboy 18/02/08
      16.   Portions 05:07  |  hercule 18/02/08
      17.   UN official warns against Gaza invasion, says diplomacy only solu 05:11  |  emporda 18/02/08
      18.   Qassam rocket attacks must be proportional 05:14  |  Born In The USA 18/02/08
      19.   Who decided that this is the more moral stance? 05:18  |  Jon 18/02/08
      20.   Why Doesn`t the UN... 05:20  |  BeReal 18/02/08
      21.   To g (#1) 05:27  |  R 18/02/08
      22.   Yes .. lob rockets back at `em 05:31  |  GZLives 18/02/08
      23.   Response To Qassams 05:42  |  Fabian 18/02/08
      24.   Sit Down Sir John Holmes With A Cup Of Hot Tea ... 05:44  |  Lavi 18/02/08
      25.   UN official warns 06:07  |  observer 18/02/08
      26.   Maybe he has a point 06:29  |  Nechama 18/02/08
      27.   proportianal response to terrorists?? 07:01  |  vik 18/02/08
      28.   Jewboys - lie down and die. 07:15  |  Nathan Phatti 18/02/08
      29.   Proportional Response 07:24  |  MB Australia 18/02/08
      30.   Sir John Holmes knows nothing about Islam or Hamas 07:26  |  redmike 18/02/08
      31.   International law and Gaza. 07:31  |  Jean Van Daem 18/02/08
      32.   Proportional response 08:00  |  ron 18/02/08
      33.   holmes sweet holmes 08:06  |  ron 18/02/08
      34.   That`s odd, in a JP article he advocated.... 08:13  |  MaryRose 18/02/08
      35.   In proportion to the jack of the jackass 08:14  |  Chamber Laine 18/02/08
      36.   does the term bloody idiot strike home ? 08:23  |  v hardman 18/02/08
      37.   UN official Never Warned Arabs Against Their War Agression 09:00  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      38.   Idiotic dhimmis with advice 09:06  |  Denton 18/02/08
      39.   BRITS. roll over when Arabs threaten with terror.Saudis said jump 09:27  |  PETER SM 18/02/08
      40.   Sir John Holmes 09:31  |  Avnera 18/02/08
      41.   EU and their "proportional response" 09:34  |  stanley 18/02/08
      42.   "PROPORTIONAL" make Pal civilllians THE target? schools,kindy`s 09:35  |  PETER SM 18/02/08
      43.   Send The Quassam Back to Gaza 09:45  |  Maz 18/02/08
      44.   Diplomacy, flappy-gobbed Israeli-style 09:50  |  Clickfool 18/02/08
      45.   3 Joseph E ,You make me sick with your UN bias 09:51  |  Dutch 18/02/08
      46.   Sir John Holmes 10:15  |  Malcolm 18/02/08
      47.   #42 doris cadigan cracks more jokes about the un 10:32  |  v hardman 18/02/08
      48.   #29 MB Australia. Hello mate! 10:46  |  Maureen Ann 18/02/08
      49.   To Maureen Ann...give back stolen land to the Aborignies 10:48  |  SLAVO 18/02/08
      50.   Peace with Hamas ? 10:52  |  Serge 18/02/08
      51.   you can`t make peace with gaza... 11:05  |  Joey 18/02/08
      52.   At last the UN stands up to Israel...but wait... 11:07  |  Silvienne 18/02/08
      53.   #3 Maureen Ann - The Australian strumpet 11:13  |  * BEN JABO 18/02/08
      54.   52: Silvienne: Always getting it wrong 11:15  |  David Teich 18/02/08
      55.   #15 Johnboy - Although you`re not certain 11:17  |  * BEN JABO 18/02/08
      56.   John Holmes certainly isn`t a Sherlock Holmes 11:19  |  * BEN JABO 18/02/08
      57.   #48 Maureen Ann - Out of fairness 11:22  |  * BEN JABO 18/02/08
      58.   #52 Silvienne - Any Israeli actions against Gaza 11:23  |  * BEN JABO 18/02/08
      59.   THIS IS UN 12:08  |  KING DAVID 18/02/08
      60.   # 45 Dutch " Tax Dollars for Terrorism: " 12:35  |  Joseph E . post 1 18/02/08
      61.   # 45 Dutch " Rape is a Muslim Weapon of Terrorism " 12:38  |  Joseph E . post 2 18/02/08
      62.   # 45 Dutch " Rape is a Muslim Weapon of Terrorism " 12:40  |  Joseph E . Post 3 18/02/08
      63.   # 45 Dutch " Rape is a Muslim Weapon of Terrorism " 12:42  |  Joseph E . Post 4 18/02/08
      64.   Coerced to Kill 12:54  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      65.   Some people can`t handle "raw truth" 12:57  |  Michael 18/02/08
      66.   Honor Killings in Jordan 13:06  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      67.   HONOR KILLINGS AND ISLAM 13:07  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      68.   Maybe Holmes..... 13:27  |  David 18/02/08
      69.   #48 moaning ann and fair proportion 13:51  |  v hardman 18/02/08
      70.   Proportional Response 14:24  |  gabriel 18/02/08
      71.   Proportional response 14:46  |  Conrad 18/02/08
      72.   One wonders if the UN response.... 15:34  |  MaryRose 18/02/08
      73.   Gillerman apologises 16:05  |  Murray 18/02/08
      74.   Dutch and Silvienne ignore facts again! 16:18  |  DR 18/02/08
      75.   Why not? 16:19  |  Gabriel 18/02/08
      76.   gabriel # 70 That`s Partially Correct 17:11  |  Jeff Northridge 18/02/08
      77.   Maureen Ann # 48 17:14  |  ChanahS 18/02/08
      78.   The embarassing truth 17:38  |  Murray 18/02/08
      79.   Guys solves Irish crisis, but Israel refuses to seek solution 17:50  |  Steve Katz 18/02/08
      80.   Occupation breeds terror, not UN officials 17:54  |  Jeff 18/02/08
      81.   Strange Israeli thinking 18:10  |  Tosefta 18/02/08
      82.   Moral Equivalence 18:10  |  Don 18/02/08
      83.   safe, stable isr w.o. safe, stable plstn? 18:13  |  bozhidar balkas 18/02/08
      84.   Abramowitz 18:14  |  Mary 18/02/08
      85.   To Jeff #80 18:14  |  gabriel 18/02/08
      86.   Holmes comment re Sderot 18:24  |  Yaakov 18/02/08
      87.   jeff and his causes for terrorism 18:25  |  natan 18/02/08
      88.   gabriel#86 18:41  |  John 18/02/08
      89.   To Mary #85 18:44  |  gabriel 18/02/08
      90.   Mary you understand even less 18:46  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 18/02/08
      91.   Differences Between Irish & Arabs Conflicts 19:04  |  Leslie-Ann 18/02/08
      92.   Typical UN policy of blaming the victim for Palestinian terror 19:05  |  Marwan مروان خوري 18/02/08
      93.   Expanionist Israel? 19:09  |  Mike 18/02/08
      94.   Idiotic N. Ireland analogy; far better analogy is Dresden for V2s 19:17  |  Dr. L. Brnd 18/02/08
      95.   Dutch is doing his best not to read this 19:18  |  Joe Sittizen 18/02/08
      96.   82. dear tosefta. u speak of the "Cycle" 19:22  |  bozhidar balkas 18/02/08
      97.   ZIONISTS TRYING TO REVERSE ROLES 19:31  |  TripleJump 18/02/08
      98.   "Cycle of Violence" - Intellectually/Morally Bankrupt Term 19:35  |  Tod Zuckerman 18/02/08
      99.   No cycle of terror 19:46  |  MarkC 18/02/08
      100.   If you feed a Gazan U feed a terrorist 19:50  |  JT 18/02/08
      101.   Better late then never... 19:56  |  Avi 18/02/08
      102.   #60 The right to bear arms & be free is not exclusive 19:58  |  Dutch 18/02/08
      103.   Las Proporciones de Sir John Holmes 20:07  |  enrique 18/02/08
      104.   Who is defending himself? 20:17  |  Fritz T. 18/02/08
      105.   # 13 Rightster 20:19  |  Nick Ferriman 18/02/08
      106.   Mary in Boston 20:23  |  Don 18/02/08
      107.   The UNO. 20:31  |  Jean Van Daem 18/02/08
      108.   "You can`t solve these problems militarily" 20:32  |  DJStahl 18/02/08
      109.   Dear Enrique 20:42  |  Jimmie 18/02/08
      110.   # 108 DJStahl 20:52  |  Nick Ferriman 18/02/08
      111.   Just because "you can`t solve the problem militarily"... 20:55  |  Comforti 18/02/08
      112.   # 102 Dutch 20:55  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      113.   # 102 Dutch 20:57  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      114.   arabist apologist swimming in molasses 21:01  |  peter 18/02/08
      115.   Holmes is wrong 21:01  |  leone 18/02/08
      116.   # 102 Dutch 21:02  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      117.   # 102 Dutch 21:03  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      118.   Live and let live - the only reasonable thing Dutch ever said 21:04  |  Avi 18/02/08
      119.   # 102 Dutch 21:04  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      120.   #3 Maureen Ann - Your ignorance is amazing 21:05  |  * BEN JABO 18/02/08
      121.   # 102 Dutch 21:07  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      122.   Another one from the "cycle of violence" school: "tit for tat" 21:07  |  Comforti 18/02/08
      123.   # 102 Dutch 21:08  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      124.   # 102 Dutch 21:11  |  Joseph . E 18/02/08
      125.   john holmes = AN IGNORANT FOOL 21:13  |  daniel yefet 18/02/08
      126.   #105 Ferriman - The Luftwaffe didn`t bomb Britain 21:14  |  * BEN JABO 18/02/08
      127.   nick ferriman is drugged out of his mind 21:16  |  yomtov 18/02/08
      128.   john holmes looks like a sexual deviant 21:18  |  purple haze 18/02/08
      129.   # 89 Gabriel, 90 Margie & others 21:22  |  Mary 18/02/08
      130.   Distinctively and Characteristicaly British 21:23  |  Eli 18/02/08
      131.   #3 One would have thought that evacuating Gaza was... 21:33  |  Tom 18/02/08
      132.   Safe & Stable - Lebanon is a great example NOT 21:34  |  * BEN JABO 18/02/08
      133.   #62 Joseph, The root cause is Israel`s presence 21:35  |  DUtch 18/02/08
      134.   Military Solution & Holmes Defence of his words 21:38  |  Brad 18/02/08
      135.   #110 Nick, Pipe Down 21:38  |  Tom 18/02/08
      136.   The real question for Israel 21:39  |  Ibrahim 18/02/08
      137.   #66 Joseph E.: "Honour killing" in the Koran 21:50  |  AliciaYasmeen 18/02/08
      138.   TRIPLEJUMP GAZATARGETS CIVILLIANS DAILY,NOTHING TO REVERSE 21:59  |  PETER SM 18/02/08
      139.   nick ferriman in fact the germans lost a 22:01  |  assaf simhoni 18/02/08
      140.   nick ferriman what the brits inflicted on dresden 22:11  |  yomtov 18/02/08
      141.   Different Roots/If It Quacks It`s a Duck( or a Bicycle) 22:11  |  Dorothy 18/02/08
      142.   You can solve this problem by military might, you just have to 22:20  |  Nissim Mizrahi 18/02/08
      143.   nick ferriman britain wants to export democracy 22:23  |  yomtov 18/02/08
      144.   nick ferriman 22:25  |  yomtov 18/02/08
      145.   Dutch # 102 Where Is This "Palestinian Land" Of Yours? 22:33  |  Jeff Northridge 18/02/08
      146.   #77. ChanahS. Monkeys are such clever animals. 23:06  |  Maureen Ann 18/02/08
      147.   #49 SLAVO is such an... 23:09  |  Maureen Ann 18/02/08
      148.   Different Roots/If It Quacks It’s A Duck (or a squeeky Bicycle) 23:20  |  Dorothy 18/02/08
      149.   #57 Ben Jabo. Fairs, fair! 23:21  |  Maureen Ann 18/02/08
      150.   #92 Marwan. "Pin Point Strikes." 23:29  |  Maureen Ann 18/02/08
      151.   Mr. Holmes & Military Solutions 23:31  |  Richard D Kaplan, MD 18/02/08
      152.   Re #108 proportionate response 23:59  |  DJStahl 18/02/08
      153.   #113 Maureen Ann to Chanah S 00:06  |  * BEN JABO 19/02/08
      154.   #105 2ND TRY Ferriman 00:14  |  * BEN JABO 19/02/08
      155.   #114 Maureen Ann - Slavo is an Alias 00:17  |  * BEN JABO 19/02/08
      156.   Steve Katz 00:20  |  rich 19/02/08
      157.   #77 Chanah S to Maureen Ann 00:25  |  * BEN JABO 19/02/08
      158.   #114 Maureen 00:29  |  Tom 19/02/08
      159.   Moron Anne 113 00:33  |  ChanahS 19/02/08
      160.   Dutch and The Infidels 01:12  |  Eli 19/02/08
      161.   #76 I`m curious, Jeff...... 01:19  |  Johnboy 19/02/08
      162.   It is open for testing, is it not? 01:40  |  Johnboy 19/02/08
      163.   are settlers "civilians" ? 02:11  |  nobodysacred 19/02/08
      164.   Abramovich - Not Very Bright 02:19  |  DoubleClick 19/02/08
      165.   #116 Ben Jabo. Save it for yourself. 02:41  |  Maureen Ann 19/02/08
      166.   NOBODYSACRED Are Arab invaders civillians? 02:49  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
      167.   #127ChanahS. Something for you to read @... 02:59  |  Maureen Ann 19/02/08
      168.   UN Mr. Holmes Move to Sderot-EXPERIENCE Your PEACE Daily 03:02  |  Linda Rivera 19/02/08
      169.   If it wasn`t a cycle it would stop 03:02  |  Mark Lincoln 19/02/08
      170.   Abramowitz flunks reality test 03:08  |  Mark Lincoln 19/02/08
      171.   #105 - Nick Ferriman - I have one word for you - DRESDEN 03:25  |  17 19/02/08
      172.   Even at a 1:1 ratio is a good deal 03:58  |  enrique 19/02/08
      173.   #162 Recommended Readind 04:00  |  Tom 19/02/08
      174.   Moronic EU envoy apparenltly cluless about hamas charter 04:11  |  Johnny 19/02/08
      175.   Mark #164, only a "cycle" because the Jews refuse to disappear! 04:35  |  Dr. L. Brnd 19/02/08
      176.   Yes sir, what is proportional... 04:36  |  MaryRose 19/02/08
      177.   NOBODYSACRED.PALS target Israeli men women &children everywhere 04:40  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
      178.   #84 "Mary from Boston" 04:49  |  MaryRose 19/02/08
      179.   Johnboy # 156 The Principle of Proportionality 04:56  |  Jeff Northridge 19/02/08
      180.   JOHNBOY.it takes time to defeat enemy embedded amongst civillians 05:36  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
      181.   thus far the Gazans had earned over 4,000 IAF bombs in their 06:35  |  avigdor 19/02/08
      182.   #179 You are talking nonsense, Jeff. 06:38  |  Johnboy 19/02/08
      183.   #133 so that`s been the problem all along? 06:54  |  MaryRose 19/02/08
      184.   #179 This is nonsense too Jeff. 06:54  |  Johnboy 19/02/08
      185.   JOHNBOY "Proportionality" Qassem shower the day the last Israeli- 07:25  |  PETER SM 19/02/08
      186.   #180 PETER SM makes an astute observation 07:38  |  Johnboy 19/02/08
      187.   #180 And PETER SM throws down the gauntlet 07:45  |  Johnboy 19/02/08
      188.   #176 It is a conundrum, isn`t it MaryRose? 08:18  |  Johnboy 19/02/08
      189.   Abramowitz - 1st try 08:55 HT 08:55  |  BBSNews 19/02/08
      190.   Johnny - 1st try 08:05 HT 09:05  |  BBSNews 19/02/08
      191.   # 154 Ben Jabo 09:56  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      192.   # 126 ben Jabo 10:20  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      193.   #186, Nick to Ben Jabo... 10:23  |  Silvienne 19/02/08
      194.   #186, Nick Ferriman... 10:27  |  Silvienne 19/02/08
      195.   Maureen Ann... 10:34  |  Silvienne 19/02/08
      196.   # 135 Tom 10:36  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      197.   #192, Nick Ferriman... 10:39  |  Silvienne 19/02/08
      198.   # 143 Yomtov 10:49  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      199.   # 139 Asaf Simonhi 10:59  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      200.   Re #191 More error from Ferriman 12:10  |  DJStahl 19/02/08
      201.   Re #191 More of Ferriman`s delusions 12:22  |  DJStahl 19/02/08
      202.   Maureen Ann; there is a difference betw. Monkey and Ape 12:39  |  AliciaYasmeen 19/02/08
      203.   # 144 Yomtov 12:51  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      204.   # 196 DJStahl 13:28  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      205.   # 139 Assaf simohi 13:30  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      206.   # 135 Tom 13:32  |  Nick Ferriman 19/02/08
      207.   194: Silvienne is still avoiding 17:22  |  David Teich 19/02/08
      208.   182: And JB knows nonsense. He has a mirror 17:28  |  David Teich 19/02/08
      209.   188: It`s not a conundrum, JB, it`s your ignorance 17:31  |  David Teich 19/02/08
      210.   Nick`s newspeak continues 17:35  |  David Teich 19/02/08
      211.   Nick gets really funny in 204&5 17:41  |  David Teich 19/02/08
      212.   Re #205 And on to regime change 20:12  |  DJStahl 19/02/08
      213.   Re #205 Ferriman`s endorsement of regime change 20:17  |  DJStahl 19/02/08
      214.   204-206 Nick Ferriman Part 2 20:31  |  Doc Holliday 19/02/08
      215.   #208 David`s nonsensical post 02:57  |  Johnboy 20/02/08
      216.   #209 David puts on the blinkers 03:36  |  Johnboy 20/02/08
      217.   215-6: JB`s as funny as always, p1 14:21  |  David Teich 21/02/08
      218.   215-6: JB`s as funny as always, p2 14:28  |  David Teich 21/02/08
      219.   Re #204 Ouston, Norway, etc. 19:01  |  DJStahl 21/02/08
      220.   #217 David gives me a good laugh for the day 07:41  |  Johnboy 22/02/08
      221.   Re #220 the V-2 and the Qassam 11:22  |  DJStahl 22/02/08
      222.   #221 That`s an interesting comparison, DJStahl 04:03  |  Johnboy 23/02/08
      223.   Re #222 Paul De Man, Johnboy, etc. 04:17  |  DJStahl 25/02/08
      224.   #223 You need to read up on history, DJStahl 13:08  |  Johnboy 25/02/08
      225.   Re #224 Johnboy, Paul De Man, etc. 17:21  |  DJStahl 25/02/08
      226.   Re #224 Paul de Man, Johnboy, etc. (2) 22:58  |  DJStahl 25/02/08
      227.   JB has his own definitions 10:02  |  David Teich 26/02/08
      228.   224: JB`s making fantasy claims again 10:06  |  David Teich 26/02/08
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