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Last update - 13:37 12/02/2008 Sderot as Stalingrad, Hamas as blind Samson By Bradley Burston, Haaretz Correspondent Tags: Avnery, Qassams, Gaza  Ever wonder why, if more than 2,000 Qassam rockets struck Israel last year alone, the UN Security Council has never managed to pass a single resolution against the fire? Ever notice that one reason the Palestinians cannot seem to pass a UN resolution condemning Israel, is the fact that they cannot stop themselves from firing Qassams? Ever occur to you that the longer the siege against the civilian population of Sderot continues, the more the Palestinians are seen more as aggressors and less as victims? In the iconography of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, symbols can be surprisingly interchangeable. David and Goliath, for starters. Or, for example, the question of which side can lay claim to the symbolism of Stalingrad, and which side is as ephemeral and disassociated from concrete reality as Brigadoon. Consider the question of Stalingrad. When Israel launched Operation Defensive Shield in March, 2002 - the largest military operation in the West Bank since the 1967 Six Day War and a response to the killings of 130 Israelis in suicide attacks that month alone - Yasser Arafat compared the Jenin refugee camp to besieged, bombarded and demolished World War II Stalingrad. Veteran Israeli leftier-than-thou Uri Avnery was among the first to have invoked the Stalingrad theme, writing with something approaching Socialist Realism in an April 16, 2002 article entitled "Immortal heroes of Jenin" in the British Guardian newspaper. According to Avnery, in ordering the operation, then-prime minister Ariel Sharon and his defense minister Shaul Mofaz "created the foundations of the Palestinian nation and the Palestinian state." "When the international media cannot be kept out any more and the pictures of horror are published, two possible versions may emerge: Jenin as a story of massacre, a second Sabra and Shatila; and Jenin, the Palestinian Stalingrad, a story of immortal heroism. The second will surely prevail." In the end, of course, other narratives would emerge, and, in fact prevail. One was this: The Palestinian hunger to tell the world that a massacre had taken place resulted in an extraordinary cry of wolf. On April 7, senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat suggested to CNN that some 500 Palestinians had been killed in the camp. Five days later, when the fighting stopped, PA Secretary Ahmed Abdel Rahman told UPI that the number was in the thousands, hinting, along with other Palestinian figures, that Israel had snatched bodies, buried Palestinians in mass graves and under the rubble of ruined buildings, and otherwise conducted on a scale compatible with genocide. A subsequent UN investigation determined that 52 Palestinians had been killed in the fighting, most of them armed members of Palestinian militias and militant groups. A total of 23 Israeli soldiers were killed in the fighting. If there was an element of Stalingrad in the Battle of Jenin, which Avnery described as "a battle of defense that will be enshrined forever in the hearts of all Arabs" it may have been this: it spelled the beginning of an end. It was not to be the imminent end of suicide terrorism, rather of the world's capacity to stomach the Palestinian celebration of victimhood without the slightest inclination to take responsibility either for one's own actions or for one's own fate. Perhaps as a result, Avnery has shifted gears of late, redirecting his metaphor. If Israel ultimately orders a long-shelved broad military offensive in Gaza, Avnery wrote in December it is "possible that Gaza will turn into a Palestinian Masada, a kind of mini-Stalingrad." But the question of Sderot, a city ravaged and besieged for more than seven years by unremitting attacks of randomly aimed Qassam rockets and mortar shells, suggests a re-evaluation of Avnery's recycled observation. The Second World War battle, said to have been the bloodiest in human history, was intended by the Germans to have been a crucial strategic and symbolic victory over their Soviet enemies to the east. Instead, to come to be viewed by many as the turning point in the war, a battle in which the Germans came to be trapped by their own advances, and the point at which a serially successful Nazi military began its decline. There are lessons in this for the Palestinian people. One of them is surely this: the fact of the Qassam fire has turned Sderot into a version of Stalingrad. Despite the bumbling, insensitivity, and mishandling of Israel's government, or in some sense, because of them, the world is beginning to view the conflict as complex, and the people of Sderot as true victims of brutality against civilians. The Qassams, and the recent suicide bombing for which Hamas took responsibility, have acted to delegitimize the Palestinians as a people capable of governing an independent state and willing to do what is necessary to take responsibility for the welfare of its own citizens and for non-combatants on the Israeli side of the border. The perceived message of the Qassam is not "End the imprisonment of Gaza." The perceived message of the Qassam is: We will drive you out of Sderot, and from Ashkelon after that, and out of all of the leftist kibbutzim that line the Israeli-Palestinian border, all of the kibbutzim that were one of the strongest, most forthright voices in favor of the establishment of a Palestinian state. Land for peace is dead. Israel is dead. It's only a matter of time. We can wait 100 years, or 500. The perceived result of the Qassam is close to the remarks of Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Abu Gheit, who said the rockets had prompted Israel to impose "collective punishment" on Gaza. Moreover, the BBC reported, Abu Gheit dismissed Hamas's self-styled resistance as a "laughable caricature" which harmed the perpetrator more than the enemy. At this point, thousands and thousands and thousands of unguided, explosive-tipped resistance later, what is left of Palestine? Nothing much more than a hopeless, jobless, futureless, misled - in every sense - Brigadoon in the sand. It has gone with astonishing speed, and due to the disastrous, yes, suicidal moves of the Palestinians themselves, from inevitable reality to fogbound myth. From a situation in which the world respected Palestinian aspirations and accorded honor to Palestinian institutions, the world, at this point, is willing to sit by and let Palestinians literally freeze and starve without lifting so much as a finger to vote for a UN resolution. Perhaps, in the end, the symbol most apt for a Hamas-led Gaza is the Hebrew named Samson, eyeless in Gaza, dragging down what's left of what the people there have built over the years. Leave it to Uri Avnery to suggest the corollary - that in their throes of agony, the Palestinians will take the Jews with them to the grave. "According to the Biblical story, Samson took hold of the central pillars of the Philistine temple and brought down the whole building upon the lords of the Philistines, the people of Gaza, and himself. The teller of the story sums it all up: 'So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.' "A story of suffering, destruction, and death. It may be about to repeat itself now, only with the roles reversed: the temple may be brought down by the Palestinians (who took their name from the Philistines), and among the dead will be the lords of Israel." ______________ Previous blogs: Barack Obama for Prime Minister of Israel This is how Islam ends What if the Hillary haters were right all along? The Qassam rocket as collective punishment Sharon, savior of the settler, killer of Palestine Bookmark to del.icio.us   State policy Olmert approves plan for 750 new homes in West Bank settlement of Givat Ze'ev. Sticking to his story Director of 'Jenin, Jenin' swears there are no falsehoods in his movie.   1.   Sderot is Leningrad, not Stalingrad 19:08  |  dyinglikeflies 11/02/08   2.   The problem is the world IS anti-semitic 20:56  |  David 11/02/08   3.   Qassam 21:03  |  Shmuel 11/02/08   4.   Partnership Between Arab League and Terror PLO 23:43  |  Joseph E . post 1 11/02/08   5.   Perhaps when we realize 02:11  |  B. 12/02/08   6.   Let Sderot defend itself: build its own Quassams 03:25  |  Daniel 12/02/08   7.   If you steal from soneone, you`d better kill them too 06:49  |  myrta 12/02/08   8.   to #7 They live on thier own world 09:38  |  pal 12/02/08   9.   #7myrta and the usual crap flying out of oz 09:40  |  v hardman 12/02/08   10.   Militant Pal behaviour so despicable,one loses sympathy for them 09:47  |  Sam 12/02/08   11.   perspective 09:56  |  natke nir 12/02/08   12.   Why surprised BB? Hamas ARE aggressors. 09:58  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 12/02/08   13.   to the soldiers parents 09:58  |  natke nir 12/02/08   14.   what i believe 10:02  |  natke nir 12/02/08   15.   burston finally getting smart 10:14  |  don 12/02/08   16.   tosefta "hamas won already" 10:16  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   17.   dorothy "dance of death revs up" 10:25  |  yoel brom 12/02/08   18.   Hamas will never win, and this is why 10:38  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/02/08   19.   MYRTA.1.Jews have lived in Palestine for millenia 10:41  |  PETER SM 12/02/08   20.   yoel brom 10:51  |  morb leoy 12/02/08   21.   Israel is THE aggressor... Hamas are responding in kind 11:13  |  Eric 12/02/08   22.   dorothy "hamas is winning" 11:28  |  yoram yair 12/02/08   23.   #21 Eric is THE stupid 11:37  |  Hastaroth 12/02/08   24.   Cipora Julianna Kohn#18Israel`s Fight Is TheLegitimate Resistance 11:44  |  Tim R 12/02/08   25.   Whinograd 11:48  |  jj burke 12/02/08   26.   AND HER CRIMES CONTINUE 11:57  |  indrajaya 12/02/08   27.   Great article. Burston. 12:00  |  Stephen. 12/02/08   28.   Gaza 12:03  |  Mordechai 12/02/08   29.   ERIC Which part of NO PEACE ever can`t you understand 12:06  |  PETER SM 12/02/08   30.   ERIC Which part of NO PEACE ever can`t you understand 12:06  |  PETER SM 12/02/08   31.   #18 Cipora Julianna Kohn 12:15  |  Paul Wood 12/02/08   32.   24. Tim R 12:43  |  flimflam 12/02/08   33.   Mr. Burston goes to Stalingrad 12:39  |  flimflam 12/02/08   34.   flimflam why are you using fascist imagery and narrative 12:49  |  cowardflimflam 12/02/08   35.   #31 Paul Wood 12:52  |  Sarah 12/02/08   36.   viscious flimflam 12:52  |  cometoisrael 12/02/08   37.   flimflam "poor misunderstood zionists" 12:55  |  cometoisrael 12/02/08   38.   flimflam 12:55  |  Sarah 12/02/08   39.   How Hamas Won.. For Amir Yoffe 13:17  |  Its Simple Really! 12/02/08   40.   Margie 12 13:17  |  Guido 12/02/08   41.   of course flimflam is not a shock to us 13:19  |  greenberg 12/02/08   42.   Samson,Stalingrad.... poor Mr.. Burston: 13:39  |  17 12/02/08   43.   simpleton really 13:40  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   44.   The heroic struggle of the Palestinians is the new narrative 13:40  |  Nick Ferriman 12/02/08   45.   "Sderot, a city ravaged" 13:41  |  Dutch Dirk 12/02/08   46.   cometoisrael, sara, etc 13:41  |  flimflam 12/02/08   47.   simpleton and control over gaza 13:42  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   48.   simpleton really and hamas "effectiveness" 13:45  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   49.   simpleton really "hamas has captured the spotlight" 13:47  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   50.   simpleton "hamas has captured the sympathy 13:50  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   51.   simpleton point 5 accuses us of being bloodthirsty 13:53  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   52.   simpleton really "hamas won the respect of the palestinians" 13:55  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   53.   simpleton "israel continuously lambasting its own politicians" 13:56  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   54.   simpleton "get it? no?" 13:57  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   55.   FLIM FLAM You lied&said the Israeli navyFLED Lebanon immediately 13:58  |  PETER SM 12/02/08   56.   flimflam jews are aware of their enemies 14:01  |  cometoisrael 12/02/08   57.   FERRIMAN is this posting as honest as your posting to me. 14:02  |  PETER SM 12/02/08   58.   nick ferriman 14:09  |  bren 12/02/08   59.   misbegotten ferriman 14:13  |  aussieman 12/02/08   60.   to the Simpletons in Israel.. 14:15  |  simple but difficult 12/02/08   61.   nick ferriman "nauseous truth" 14:20  |  kiwi 12/02/08   62.   nick ferriman and the "heroic palestinians" 14:24  |  kuwaiti 12/02/08   63.   nick ferriman "i love palestine" 14:26  |  st nick 12/02/08   64.   Nick Ferriman well said!Cipora KJ I`m afraid you don`t 14:31  |  lakshmi 12/02/08   65.   Amir Yoffe, AKA AKA AKA.. 14:35  |  Check him out! 12/02/08   66.   If Sderot is Stalingrad, then Stalingrad was peaceful 14:37  |  Petteri 12/02/08   67.   no such things as "palestinian" nation or people. Just Arabs, 14:49  |  Ariel 12/02/08   68.   To Mr Burston. 15:00  |  David Nigel Braham 12/02/08   69.   #66 petteri amongst the reindeer believes in father xmas 15:05  |  v hardman 12/02/08   70.   #67 ARIEL bingo buddy! 15:07  |  Petra 12/02/08   71.   Hamas` achievement in Gaza 15:11  |  Michael Martin-Smith 12/02/08   72.   to isr/us/eu, any resistance by any people it 15:18  |  bozhidar balkas 12/02/08   73.   Interesting comparison 15:46  |  Chris Linthwaite 12/02/08   74.   Brilliantly incisive article 15:48  |  MarkC 12/02/08   75.   Hamas is not RESISTENCE only TERROR 15:51  |  The Equalizer 12/02/08   76.   # 39 Simple is true......Hamas has won disgust 15:52  |  Lynn 12/02/08   77.   # 64 lakshmi...finally admits it is a war 15:56  |  Lynn 12/02/08   78.   Michael Martin-Smith 15:59  |  Lynn 12/02/08   79.   simpleton 16:20  |  amir yoffe 12/02/08   80.   Mr. Burston...truth in a nutshell 16:21  |  Lynn 12/02/08   81.   # 72 bozhidar balkas..on Sderot 16:26  |  Lynn 12/02/08   82.   Cipora - Ridiculous 16:27  |  Dorothy 12/02/08   83.   How about Sderot as Sderot and Hamas as Hamas 16:27  |  Dror 12/02/08   84.   Also-"Pyrrhic Victory"/Read Avnery 16:31  |  Dorothy 12/02/08   85.   Hamas a Samson? not even a Blind one...... 16:39  |  Dagma 12/02/08   86.   Avery quote and a response 16:43  |  Dorothy 12/02/08   87.   It`s humorous that you think you control the narrative. 16:44  |  Robert 12/02/08   88.   No wonder Burston was moved to defend after reading Avnery 16:50  |  Dorothy 12/02/08   89.   somebody miss haaretz 17:20  |  ... 12/02/08   90.   Burston spinning out of control! 17:39  |  tadchase 12/02/08   91.   last time I checked 17:46  |  Benjamin 12/02/08   92.   77Lynn,it is a war of Liberation against the Occupier in which a 17:50  |  lakshmi 12/02/08   93.   #7 Myrta 18:12  |  Moshe 12/02/08   94.   #87 Robert, Portland 18:24  |  Natallie Durson 12/02/08   95.   #82 Dorothy 18:28  |  Natallie Durson 12/02/08   96.   dorothy`s niece shocked at the state of the palestinians 18:29  |  nadler 12/02/08   97.   If Hamas Is Samson, Then Where`s Delila? 19:30  |  Jeff Northridge 12/02/08   98.   How to explain Uri Avneri`s erratic behavior 19:34  |  Yonatan 12/02/08   99.   # 72 for Bozhidar Balkas 20:09  |  Michael Martin-Smith 12/02/08   100.   #45 Dutch Dirk - Let`s speak proportionally 20:11  |  Yonatan 12/02/08   101.   #67 No such thing as Israel 20:14  |  Matthew Kretzmer 12/02/08   102.   Hi Lynn ! Olmert is in Germany,Barak in Turkey 20:41  |  bill gordon 12/02/08   103.   lynn 20:44  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 12/02/08   104.   nadler tell dorothy 20:45  |  x-ray 12/02/08   105.   nadler tell dorothy 20:48  |  x-ray 12/02/08   106.   no such thing as a Krezmer 20:50  |  x-ray 12/02/08   107.   To No. 8 "pal" 20:52  |  Boris S. 12/02/08   108.   # 99 bill gordon...I honestly think the Israeli 20:57  |  Lynn 12/02/08   109.   # 103 Margie of Tel Aviv....... 21:05  |  Lynn 12/02/08   110.   # 101 Kretzmer......Australia is also robbing 21:12  |  Lynn 12/02/08   111.   # 92 lakshmi.....Not Liberation 21:16  |  Lynn 12/02/08   112.   81. dear lynn. thanks for the info and the fact 21:31  |  bozhidar bob balkas 12/02/08   113.   Atilla??!!??...I miss you too!!!!! 21:36  |  Lynn 12/02/08   114.   #64, lakshmi, don`t be afraid 21:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/02/08   115.   # 112 bozhidar balkas ....actually, I support 21:58  |  Lynn 12/02/08   116.   #82, "cheerleader mongering propaganda" 21:59  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/02/08   117.   #82, "this war on terror is misguided" 22:04  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/02/08   118.   # 31 Paul Wood The Optimist.. 22:05  |  KATHY 12/02/08   119.   #82, "fighting legitimately for a legitimate cause" 22:08  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/02/08   120.   dorothy you are unbalanced 22:08  |  bostonian 12/02/08   121.   #82, "This is not to say I support Hamas" 22:10  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/02/08   122.   # 100 Yonatan 22:12  |  Dutch Dirk 12/02/08   123.   lakshmi i live in mumbai 22:15  |  amitabh 12/02/08   124.   97 Howdy Jeff Northridge,your ancient dream! A bit like the white 22:16  |  lakshmi 12/02/08   125.   xray on dorothy 22:19  |  nadler 12/02/08   126.   dorothy you may be less interested in avnery 22:24  |  bostonian 12/02/08   127.   101 Matthew 22:27  |  Moshe 12/02/08   128.   Blind Samson vs. Blind Polyphemus 22:50  |  Tosefta 12/02/08   129.   Dorothy 23:01  |  GABE1 12/02/08   130.   # 98 Yonatan..How to explain Uri Avneri? How Indeed! 23:04  |  KATHY 12/02/08   131.   This is war NOT some game keeping scores.Whatever it takes 23:05  |  PETER SM 12/02/08   132.   #97 Jeff Northridge 23:07  |  Labhras 12/02/08   133.   Natallie-legitimacy 23:08  |  Dorothy 12/02/08   134.   Nadler # 96 re: Dorothy`s niece 23:12  |  American in NY 12/02/08   135.   Lynn in USA braving it out with Margie from SA 23:14  |  lABHRAS 12/02/08   136.   Why Israel will cave in the end 23:38  |  spyguy 12/02/08   137.   #130 More rhetoric from PeterSM! 23:43  |  Maureen Ann 12/02/08   138.   dorothy "hamas has some if not a lot of legitimacy from 23:46  |  isabelle archer 12/02/08   139.   dorothy "whether they PROMOTE their legitimate 23:49  |  isabelle archer 12/02/08   140.   Dorothy and Tosefta "the control issues" 23:51  |  Danite 12/02/08   141.   #133 - Dorothy 23:54  |  Natallie Durson 12/02/08   142.   so dorothy you are inciting hamas 23:54  |  isabelle archer 12/02/08   143.   Dorothy tell us please 23:55  |  danite 12/02/08   144.   #134, ANY 23:56  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/02/08   145.   Australia did today what Israel needs to do 23:58  |  PETER SM 12/02/08   146.   american in ny 23:59  |  nadler 12/02/08   147.   Dorothy`s dangerous mistake 00:01  |  danite 13/02/08   148.   american in ny 00:03  |  nadler 13/02/08   149.   clikfool 00:05  |  moosa 13/02/08   150.   # 124 lakshmi....you loved David Dukes 00:07  |  Lynn 13/02/08   151.   #118, Kathy 00:07  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   152.   tosefta israel has already conceded the 1967 00:10  |  natke nir 13/02/08   153.   tosefta why the greek mythology 00:12  |  natke nir 13/02/08   154.   # 135 Labrhas...I touched a sore spot? 00:17  |  Lynn 13/02/08   155.   # 62 QUWAITI 00:26  |  BOBBY 13/02/08   156.   Gaza` Characteristic thru the Speculum of Jewish Rabbinic Sages 00:45  |  Joseph . E 13/02/08   157.   Hi Lynn ! When liberal Peres implies the time is now 00:46  |  bill gordon 13/02/08   158.   Dorothy - legitimacy 01:07  |  17 13/02/08   159.   To Matthew Kretzner # 101 - Illiterate? of course..... 01:40  |  Dagma 13/02/08   160.   A Fraud Is To Subscribe Palestians As A Arab Distinct Ethnicity 01:47  |  Joseph . E 13/02/08   161.   Palestinians Aspirations Are Not Legitime, They`re Fabricated , 02:00  |  Joseph . E 13/02/08   162.   Gabe1- Jew Against Jew/my weight problem 02:22  |  Dorothy 13/02/08   163.   MATTHEW KRETZNER 101 - The Israelites 02:31  |  Onlooker 13/02/08   164.   Strained at best 02:38  |  Mark Lincoln 13/02/08   165.   myrta 02:58  |  Dror 13/02/08   166.   # 120 bostonian re:Dorothy... 03:14  |  KATHY 13/02/08   167.   18# Cipora. "Hamas will never win" You answered all the Whys 03:20  |  Akram Zekaria 13/02/08   168.   #131 PETER SM 03:28  |  Fake PETER SM 13/02/08   169.   To 133 # DOROTHY - Palestinian Legitimacy NONE 03:37  |  Dolly 13/02/08   170.   Advice to Slowman 03:39  |  Bursting Bradley 13/02/08   171.   We don`t want world`s pity! 03:49  |  Stephen Rosedale 13/02/08   172.   The Last Refuge of the Palestinian Authority 04:04  |  Joseph E . post 1 13/02/08   173.   The Last Refuge of the Palestinian Authority 04:05  |  Joseph E . post 2 13/02/08   174.   To Dorothy # 86 - Quoting Avnery is Betrayal 04:07  |  Dagma 13/02/08   175.   The last refuge of the palestinian authority 04:08  |  Joseph E . Post 3 13/02/08   176.   Bradley, a noble stab at the carcass 04:18  |  FOX 13/02/08   177.   The question of moral and legal equivalency 04:20  |  Tosefta 13/02/08   178.   To Mr. Burston 04:21  |  TonyL 13/02/08   179.   Haaretz 04:27  |  Danite 13/02/08   180.   Dorothy 04:28  |  Danite 13/02/08   181.   Lincolns crazed little world on display 04:31  |  Danite 13/02/08   182.   Tosefta, Solidiers, Terrorists and reality 04:47  |  Mark Lincoln 13/02/08   183.   Danite`s unreal world on display 04:51  |  Mark Lincoln 13/02/08   184.   Danite re: Mark Lincoln #170 05:03  |  FOX 13/02/08   185.   Israel is somewhat holding up the progress... 05:15  |  Smadar 13/02/08   186.   moshe - The analogy with Australia bears out 05:53  |  myrta 13/02/08   187.   Danite- Casablanca 05:57  |  Dorothy 13/02/08   188.   #98 Yonatan. The trouble with you sonny... 06:19  |  Maureen Ann 13/02/08   189.   #166, Tosefta and moral equivalence 07:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   190.   # 177, TOSEFTA 07:12  |  indrajaya 13/02/08   191.   Sderot as Stalingrad, Hamas as blind Samson 07:16  |  Mahdi Jacob Lincoln 13/02/08   192.   #145, fake, thieving, Peter SM 07:17  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   193.   #182, "for everyone thinks they are perfect" 07:22  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   194.   #182, "everyone thinks... their enemies are perfidious" 07:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   195.   Dorothy 07:29  |  Danite 13/02/08   196.   #183, "only a raving lunatic...." 07:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   197.   #183, MarkL"s understanding of history 07:35  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   198.   MYRTA.Jewish presence in Israel has been CONTINUOUS 08:29  |  PETER SM 13/02/08   199.   Boker Tov Smadar #185 08:29  |  FOX 13/02/08   200.   #145, PETER SM, how odd 08:40  |  VIPER 13/02/08   201.   Qassams are no great threat to Sderot or National security 09:12  |  Dutch 13/02/08   202.   Natke re tosefta`s threadbare scholarship 09:30  |  dellila 13/02/08   203.   LANDAU out: GOOD NEWS 09:38  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 13/02/08   204.   Bravo Cipora #189 09:42  |  S 13/02/08   205.   Smadar you talk of `we` 09:43  |  Iz Ray Leigh 13/02/08   206.   Fox to Smadar 09:48  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 13/02/08   207.   #184 FOX re:Danite re:Lincoln 09:48  |  Sarah 13/02/08   208.   What an analogy - Stalingrad 09:58  |  Joseph David 13/02/08   209.   #137 immigrants 10:13  |  Rab Burns 13/02/08   210.   #201, Dutch, let me explain the reality to you 10:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   211.   #204, S 10:22  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   212.   Dorothy 187 10:35  |  Film Fan 13/02/08   213.   # 189 Moral equivalency between Israel & Hamas 10:37  |  Dutch 13/02/08   214.   Natallie Durson 10:54  |  Michael Martin-Smith 13/02/08   215.   #101 "No such thing as Israel" 11:09  |  Michael Martin-Smith 13/02/08   216.   for Lynn #78 11:19  |  Michael Martin-Smith 13/02/08   217.   #213, Dorris, you need a lesson in history 11:38  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/02/08   218.   Myrta, the analogy with australia does not bear out 11:42  |  Dror 13/02/08   219.   Michael Martin-Smith, re#214 12:12  |  FOX 13/02/08   220.   Michael Martin-Smith, re#214 part II 12:23  |  FOX 13/02/08   221.   217 There can be no justification for Israel`s crimes 13:44  |  Dutch 13/02/08   222.   Cipora dear #211 14:34  |  S 13/02/08   223.   Doris 16:26  |  Reality Check 13/02/08   224.   Dror - Take up the White man`s burden 17:24  |  myrta 13/02/08   225.   How it got the name Palestine 17:31  |  Machiavelli Spinoza 13/02/08   226.   #224 Myrta 18:35  |  Streamers 13/02/08   227.   Good post Bradley! 21:31  |  Gili 13/02/08   228.   Cipora # 144 21:52  |  American in NY 13/02/08   229.   You are not in New York and you are not an American 22:07  |  Tom Mendelbrite 13/02/08   230.   S #222 report from across the pond 22:20  |  American in NY 13/02/08   231.   197# Cipora "Germany was defeated by Stalinist Russia" 02:01  |  Akram Zekaria 14/02/08   232.   Cipora, # 189 re: moral equivelance and integrity 03:15  |  American in NY 14/02/08   233.   #21 - Eric 05:51  |  Deborah 14/02/08   234.   #222, S 06:36  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/02/08   235.   #228, ANY 06:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/02/08   236.   #231 Akram Zakaria 06:57  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/02/08   237.   American in NY #230 a frozen pond makes for rapprochement 09:21  |  S 14/02/08   238.   Cipora JK # 211, S #222 - The Education of Cipora 09:27  |  dana 14/02/08   239.   Cipora JK (S too) - The education of Cipora - Part II 09:29  |  dana 14/02/08   240.   Cipora (S too) - The education of Cipora on US politics Pt III 09:31  |  dana 14/02/08   241.   #234 Cipora 09:43  |  S 14/02/08   242.   American in NY 09:44  |  dana 14/02/08   243.   Good writing dana #238-240 10:37  |  S 14/02/08   244.   S Good Writing? #243 12:36  |  Lit Crit 14/02/08   245.   Dana speaking up for facism, how nice 13:49  |  FOX 14/02/08   246.   S # 237 great link 15:04  |  American in NY 14/02/08   247.   The Sderot - Ashkelon - Israel Problem 15:10  |  Joseph E . post 1 14/02/08   248.   The Sderot - Ashkelon - Israel Problem 15:11  |  Joseph E . post 2 14/02/08   249.   #245 - Fox 15:57  |  Deborah 14/02/08   250.   dana 16:37  |  American in NY 14/02/08   251.   236# Cipora. My apologies to you and Mark Lincoln. 17:35  |  Akram Zekaria 14/02/08   252.   dana 18:59  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/02/08   253.   #7 Myrta 21:04  |  Tbart 14/02/08   254.   Lit Crit # 244 21:36  |  American in NY 14/02/08   255.   S Trivia 00:15  |  American in NY 15/02/08   256.   Dana 00:15  |  American in NY 15/02/08   257.   American in NY, Obama from Alabama 01:07  |  FOX 15/02/08   258.   #253 tbart 01:39  |  myrta 15/02/08   259.   American in NY #256 01:46  |  dana 15/02/08   260.   S #243 - Much obliged - 2nd Try 01:50  |  dana 15/02/08   261.   #258 Myrta 03:17  |  Planned Partitions 15/02/08   262.   dana 03:41  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/02/08   263.   dana 03:46  |  American in NY 15/02/08   264.   #263, ANY 05:39  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/02/08   265.   flimflam #32 Another Denier of History - (Third Attempt) 08:10  |  Tim R 15/02/08   266.   #258 - partitions 11:00  |  myrta 15/02/08   267.   myrta #266 So What Are You Saying? 13:29  |  Tim R 15/02/08   268.   Fox #219 13:35  |  Michael Martin-Smith 15/02/08   269.   Cipora # 264 14:31  |  American in NY 15/02/08   270.   #266 Myrta 15:58  |  Planned Partitions 15/02/08   271.   Myrta #266 Second Try 18:44  |  Planned Partitions 15/02/08   272.   American in NY 21:23  |  S 15/02/08   273.   S 22:32  |  American in NY 15/02/08   274.   on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on 06:15  |  Joseph . E 16/02/08   275.   who is supporting Obama 08:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/02/08   276.   #267, ANY 08:36  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/02/08   277.   American in NY #273 09:59  |  S 16/02/08   278.   #277, S 12:05  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/02/08   279.   Dutch Kirk 19:05  |  michael3k 16/02/08   280.   CJK # 276 22:15  |  American in NY 16/02/08   281.   S # 277 22:21  |  American in NY 16/02/08   282.   Dorothy #82 To CJK About Ridiculousness 00:02  |  Tim R 17/02/08   283.   American in NY #263 How Do You Feel About Ward Churchill ANY? 03:07  |  Tim R 17/02/08   284.   Tim R # 283 04:15  |  American in NY 17/02/08   285.   Tim R Since you moved the discussion here ...1/2 04:18  |  American in NY 17/02/08   286.   Tim R 2/2 How serious are your commitments to who ever? 04:19  |  American in NY 17/02/08   287.   American in NY#285#286 Flights Of Fancy.. 06:42  |  Tim R 17/02/08   288.   #285-286, ANY 07:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/02/08   289.   American in NY #283 07:53  |  Tim R 17/02/08   290.   #286, AMERICAN IN NY, that goes for all 12:21  |  VIPER 17/02/08   291.   #287, TIM R, what an illusionist 12:25  |  VIPER 17/02/08   292.   VIPER #290 Why Don`t You Tell Your Hamas Buddies? 13:23  |  Tim R 17/02/08   293.   #284, #285 American in NY 14:37  |  At Risk 17/02/08   294.   Tim R # 289 you need reading lessons 15:06  |  American in NY 17/02/08   295.   At Risk # 293 15:45  |  American in NY 17/02/08   296.   #267 - tim 16:01  |  myrta 17/02/08   297.   American in NY 16:09  |  At Risk 17/02/08   298.   #296 Myrta 16:52  |  Another View 17/02/08   299.   Sabra and Shatila 17:29  |  Rachel Simson 17/02/08   300.   At Risk # 297 READ! 19:23  |  American in NY 17/02/08   301.   CJK # 280 your irrelevant amusement 19:30  |  American in NY 17/02/08   302.   #300 American in NY 20:06  |  At Risk 17/02/08   303.   CJK - American in NY 20:16  |  At Risk 17/02/08   304.   American in NY #294 YOU Need Reading Lessons! 21:12  |  Tim R 17/02/08   305.   AR # 302 It must be your inability to comprehend. 23:31  |  American in NY 17/02/08   306.   A R # 303 23:39  |  American in NY 17/02/08   307.   I wonder more why mighty Israel stutters vs. 1 kassam 23:43  |  dennie 17/02/08   308.   #305 American in New York 00:02  |  At Risk 18/02/08   309.   Timmie R 305 Get a dictionary and use it. 00:04  |  American in NY 18/02/08   310.   American in NY 00:26  |  High Windows 18/02/08   311.   Myrta #296 00:27  |  Tim R 18/02/08   312.   Cipora Julianna Kohn: Our ANY is A Laugh A Minute Isn`t He? 01:03  |  Tim R 18/02/08   313.   #305 American in NY Second Attempt 05:14  |  At Risk 18/02/08   314.   #292, TIM R, always on israels terms 05:27  |  VIPER 18/02/08   315.   VIPER #314 You Really are A VIPER Aren`t You? 12:37  |  Tim R 18/02/08   316.   American in NY #309 Still Playing With Words Annie My Man 13:09  |  Tim R 18/02/08   317.   At Risk: The Implications of what American in NY is Saying 13:23  |  Tim R 18/02/08   318.   Leningrad 14:01  |  Mouse 18/02/08   319.   Only in Israel 14:47  |  John 18/02/08   320.   John 319 15:20  |  Kingsley 18/02/08   321.   #305, ANY 13:37  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/02/08   322.   Timmie R words mean what he want sthem to mean. 14:32  |  American in NY 19/02/08   323.   CJK and propaganda, Times have changed. 14:49  |  American in NY 19/02/08   324.   #322 American in NY 17:03  |  Bear 19/02/08   325.   American in NY #323 18:04  |  S 19/02/08   326.   #325, S 21:21  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/02/08   327.   #323, ANY 21:43  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/02/08   328.   is UN a referee? 11:08  |  Salim 10/03/08

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