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Mr. Bush, you were born to make peace
By Bradley Burston
Tags: Bush, peace process, Israel 


Mr. President, welcome to Jerusalem, city of David, of Jesus, of Mohammad.

As a man of faith, you have come to know the power of this place. As a man of power, you have come to know how formidable its dilemmas, its sorrows, its conflicts, its claimants.

Welcome, then, to a city which craves peace as no other, and a city which, by its very stature, stands in its way.

As a man of realism, you know that those who make peace are also subject to terrible sacrifice. It is, one supposes, unfair to ask anyone to make such a sacrifice. But there is, at this moment of history, no one else to ask.

Mr. Bush, this is your time. This is the most significant and toughest challenge of your presidency. This will be an unsparing test of your faith. This is the biblical struggle of our age.

Before you decide whether to make this kind of commitment, however, a word of caution: Do this right, and friends will turn on you. Do this right, and the loneliness of your office will take on new meaning.

How will you know whether to stake your legacy to this place? You'll know very soon. If Israel utters - or acts according to - the phrase "We will pursue talks as if there were no terror, and we will fight terror as if there were no talks" - give up. Right away. Nothing will come of this peace initiative. Turn your attention to Iran, to Iraq, to health care, to Republican hopefuls.

If Israel undermines Palestinian Authority campaigns to combat West Bank violence with military operations of its own, as it did just this week, chalk up this trip to a perk of your presidency, a junket of spiritual tourism, and let it go at that.

If the Palestinians with whom you negotiate are not 100 percent committed to the measures required for statehood, including deep reform of corruption, serious and immediate attention to crying social welfare needs, and unapologetically effective security agencies, don't waste your time and theirs.

If there is no authentic Israeli commitment to curb settlements and demolish illegal outposts, if there is no willingness to ease travel restrictions, foster employment of Palestinians or coordinate policy with PA officials, shake hands all around, nod for the cameras, and take your leave.

Should you decide to take on a peacemaker's role in earnest, however - and you can bet that your experts will show you maps, plans, timetables, scenarios galore - here is what you'll really need:

1.Respect for the Palestinians. Listen. Honor, as they do, their ability to stand fast in the face of pressure, and their need to redress a humiliation symbolized by the events that saw the birth of Israel in 1948.

2. Respect for the Israelis. Listen. Honor, as they do, their ability to stand up to external pressure, and their need to address a fear of such overwhelming dimension that only a Holocaust could have brought it about.

It may occur to you that the central equation - humiliation versus fear - is as simple as it is insoluble: Palestinians, in an effort to address their humiliation, verbally threaten and physically attack Israelis, reinforcing their fears. Israelis, in their efforts to address and contain their fears, routinely and in myriad ways act to humiliate Palestinians.

After 60 years, the only substantive change in the equation has been that Palestinians have come to feel more fear, and Israelis, more humiliation.

It will require every ounce of your creativity and humanity to finesse the basic equation in a balanced manner, bearing in mind that neither side desires balance but both, in a larger sense, require it. Israelis and Palestinians both believe that resistance to external pressure is at the root of their survival as peoples, against all odds, against all comers. Mr. Bush, welcome to the world capital of the word No.

3. Resistance to clergy. Holy men will seek to hinder you. Fundamentalist clergy, whether Muslim, Jewish or Christian, will advise you that your God, the one God of Muhammad, Jesus and David, exclusively favors only one side in the conflict, and, in the bargain, commands the use of overwhelming violence.

4. The end of your political career, as you know it. Statesmanship may well require the renunciation of partisan politics and sectarian ideology. Even in an election year. Especially in an election year.

You must be prepared to broker the best deal for both sides, a deal which both sides will doubtless find distasteful, but which neither side will find indigestible.

5. Blind faith. Listen to the voices which go unheard. Arab and Jew, there is a majority which is willing to see past its grief, its legitimate rage, its undeniable claims to the Holy Land, in order to share this land - and this city - with the other.

This is your time. You will never again be in this position. This may well be the mission you were put on this earth to pursue. As a man of conscience, you must now decide your calling. No less than any other, you were born to make peace. The choice is yours alone.


______________


Previous blogs:
Here's to the '67 borders, the new middle of the road
Hamas - If we can kill them, we can talk to them
Self Test: Are you a fanatic on the Middle East?
People who hate the very idea of peace
Nine reasons Annapolis will succeed




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  1.   Bush Will Fail as Will Others 16:50  |  Howard 08/01/08
  2.   Burston, start the ball rolling by setting personal example 19:48  |  Easy Writer 08/01/08
  3.   Burston Good Words 21:20  |  Bandar Michaels 08/01/08
  4.   Bradley, Just Because One Is "Paranoic" It Does Not Mean That .. 01:22  |  Tim R 09/01/08
  5.   Right message, wrong guy 10:11  |  Jason_M 09/01/08
  6.   Mr. Burston ! is Mr. Rosner around ? 11:08  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 09/01/08
  7.   Mr. Burston ! how about Mr. DICK Chenny ? 11:11  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 09/01/08
  8.   Look Haaretz ! 11:15  |  ... 09/01/08
  9.   Born to make peace? There are a couple caveats 11:16  |  Natallie Durson 09/01/08
  10.   Mr. Burston, are you loughing now :) 11:30  |  ... 09/01/08
  11.   Yea, Bush a man of peace, silly me I thought different! 11:40  |  Mark Hamil 09/01/08
  12.   If not for dick cheney there`d still be a saddam husein to pay th 11:41  |  Trembling Palestine 09/01/08
  13.   HE WILL CONVERT TO JUDAISM, BELIEVE ME ON THIS 11:49  |  indrajaya 09/01/08
  14.   HE WILL CONVERT TO JUDAISM, BELIEVE ME ON THIS 11:49  |  indrajaya 09/01/08
  15.   Give me a break! 12:06  |  David Howard 09/01/08
  16.   Surely Bradley you jest! 12:07  |  Shechinah 09/01/08
  17.   Jerusalem craves peace? Since when? 12:13  |  Shechinah 09/01/08
  18.   bradley what are you on ? happy pills 12:14  |  victor hardman 09/01/08
  19.   why Israel wants Palestinians go to Jordan ? 12:39  |  ... 09/01/08
  20.   See you, George - don`t let the door hit you on the way out 12:39  |  Clickfool 09/01/08
  21.   Bradley, remember you can`t make a silk purse out a sow`s ear 12:42  |  Clickfool 09/01/08
  22.   I agree with David Howard 12:44  |  Edith 09/01/08
  23.   TEMPLE MOUNT AND THE MOSQUE 12:46  |  ... 09/01/08
  24.   Burston, flattery will get you nowhere 13:07  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 09/01/08
  25.   clickfool as a guardian reader you would be aware 13:18  |  brighton rock 09/01/08
  26.   born under a bad sign 13:26  |  the real george 09/01/08
  27.   Edith...he just may be the right person 13:29  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  28.   # 20 Clicky...actually Bush isn`t the worse 13:34  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  29.   WHO USES WHO ? 13:40  |  ... 09/01/08
  30.   Burston´s sugar coated article gives us heartburn 13:46  |  AliciaYasmeen 09/01/08
  31.   peace process 14:10  |  mohamed iqbal 09/01/08
  32.   JERUSALEM IS NOT THE CITY OF MUHAM! 14:16  |  Iskander 09/01/08
  33.   burston is right!! lookit all the peace i brought!! 14:19  |  the real george 09/01/08
  34.   THE BUSH`S ARE BORNE FOR MONEY 14:20  |  Ernest Graefenberg 09/01/08
  35.   Like a Medieval Protected Jew,Burston weasels his way up ino grac 14:24  |  Absolute Sweden 09/01/08
  36.   i dont care to much for money! money cant buy me love! 14:26  |  the real george 09/01/08
  37.   Bush Can`t Even Tie His Shoes 14:38  |  dyinglikeflies 09/01/08
  38.   For Lynn # 27 14:43  |  Clickfool 09/01/08
  39.   Bush`s terrible service to Israel; the saga continues 14:48  |  Tosefta 09/01/08
  40.   # iskander ! PROPHET MUHAMMED (S.A.S) WAS IN JERUSALEM ONCE 15:07  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 09/01/08
  41.   BRAVO BRADLEY 15:13  |  Daniel Fulop 09/01/08
  42.   No Peace no Bush no problem 15:28  |  Petra 09/01/08
  43.   Clickfool 15:30  |  Nik "BANNED" Miller 09/01/08
  44.   # 10 Atilla go to school! 15:30  |  Petra 09/01/08
  45.   Clickfool (Third attempt) 15:30  |  Nik "BANNED" Miller 09/01/08
  46.   BLIND SUPPORT TO THE ZIONIST TERROR MACHINE IS THE PROBLEM 15:33  |  TrippleJump 09/01/08
  47.   Bush dynastry: born to make wars and create chaos 15:34  |  kokonot 09/01/08
  48.   Next for Burston - Mr. Ahmedinejad, YOU were born to make peace! 15:39  |  Boris 09/01/08
  49.   # 36 Dying like flies pardon me? 15:39  |  Petra 09/01/08
  50.   # 27 Lynn Carter sucked but Bush 15:44  |  Petra 09/01/08
  51.   In a dream I went to the moon, 15:53  |  Nick 09/01/08
  52.   PETRA, I AM ONLY WHAT THE GOD HAS GIVEN ME 15:56  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 09/01/08
  53.   hot air 16:08  |  david kohn 09/01/08
  54.   To my friend Indrajaya 16:09  |  Abraham 09/01/08
  55.   Burston, always the fool 16:12  |  Sidney 09/01/08
  56.   Bush, a peace maker? 16:17  |  The Arab Hammer 09/01/08
  57.   JERUSALEM IS JEWISH, YOU ARE ALSO WELLCOME TO MECCA 16:22  |  ... 09/01/08
  58.   #27 Lynn 16:46  |  Chris Linthwaite 09/01/08
  59.   An impartial peacemaker is needed 16:50  |  ghostoflutherblisset 09/01/08
  60.   Bush is a hero we all salute him 16:58  |  Abdul Aziz Higazi 09/01/08
  61.   # 37 Clicky...if you follow the elections here, 16:58  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  62.   # 48 Petra... 17:01  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  63.   # 51, ABRAHAM 17:17  |  indrajaya 09/01/08
  64.   History revisionism will not bring peace 17:19  |  Bo 09/01/08
  65.   Petra, 47- Peace Not Only Possible but Easy 17:26  |  dyinglikeflies 09/01/08
  66.   3 54 Chris Linthwaite...I guess we have our favorite 17:26  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  67.   # 53 Arab Hummer 17:29  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  68.   Atilla...no one but Muslims are welcome at Mecca. 17:34  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  69.   Burston correct with his analysis, every American president.... . 17:40  |  Smadar 09/01/08
  70.   For ghostoflutherblisset #59 17:47  |  S 09/01/08
  71.   CLICKFOOL re LYNN well I guess the British went to war because 17:55  |  Gil 09/01/08
  72.   CLICKFOOL re LYNN well I guess the British went to war because 17:57  |  Gil 09/01/08
  73.   move focus away from the US 18:02  |  ivo 09/01/08
  74.   LYNN 18:04  |  ... 09/01/08
  75.   Burston....city of Islam but not Mohammad. I don`t know why you 18:06  |  d.dor 09/01/08
  76.   #69 smadar still in cloud cuckoo land 18:16  |  victor hardman 09/01/08
  77.   NATALLIE DURSON Explains why she is such a PAIN 18:19  |  Gil 09/01/08
  78.   Mr. Bush will you bring us peace... 18:23  |  common sense 09/01/08
  79.   75. d dor is typical zionist fantasy believer 18:55  |  dr. freud 09/01/08
  80.   73. ivo? zion does not want squatters back in main country 18:58  |  think about it 09/01/08
  81.   bush, you were born to continue the works of, 19:04  |  bozhidar 09/01/08
  82.   sharon is a man of peace 19:11  |  george peace maker 09/01/08
  83.   # 39 Tosefta - very impressive - wrong x 6 19:15  |  17 09/01/08
  84.   will isr. opt for "jrdn sol"? 19:23  |  balkas 09/01/08
  85.   Peace is an illusion. Build the wall. Make it strong 19:24  |  Jason 09/01/08
  86.   83. `17` if you had nothing to say why say it? 19:31  |  muslim 09/01/08
  87.   well said... but 19:37  |  Ravi 09/01/08
  88.   JERUSALEM IS CHRISTIAN: NOTHING JEWISH ABOUT IT 19:57  |  Karl 09/01/08
  89.   Karl #88: why do mental wards in Berlin have internet connection? 20:10  |  ivo 09/01/08
  90.   think about it #80 20:17  |  ivo 09/01/08
  91.   When Peres Presidency and Olmert Gov`t argues for Road Map , 20:17  |  Joseph E . 09/01/08
  92.   For Gil # 71 20:19  |  Clickfool 09/01/08
  93.   # 86 M/slim - :) 20:25  |  17 09/01/08
  94.   Atilla - #19 20:32  |  David Israel 09/01/08
  95.   Atilla #57 Jews in Mecca 20:37  |  David Israel 09/01/08
  96.   Bush the Peace Maker 20:40  |  Steve Beikirch 09/01/08
  97.   More Mishegoss - Like Bush Can Influence the Palestinians 20:57  |  Tod Zuckerman 09/01/08
  98.   Born to make P...izza ( Mmmm, pepperoni and mushroom please) 20:57  |  Klaudia 09/01/08
  99.   Clicky have you found the numbers yet? 21:11  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  100.   Margie of TA....Atilla apologizes #74 to LYNN 21:16  |  Lynn 09/01/08
  101.   WHAT HAPPENED IN THE ARAB DESERT 21:38  |  Gwylim Tell 09/01/08
  102.   Plenty of Warriors Here 21:39  |  Harold 09/01/08
  103.   but u made only wars 22:07  |  al 09/01/08
  104.   #99 Lynn 22:41  |  Chris Linthwaite 09/01/08
  105.   #99 Lynn 22:41  |  Chris Linthwaite 09/01/08
  106.   #99 Lynn 22:43  |  Clickfool 09/01/08
  107.   BRADLEY BURSTEIN, Arabs need to be shown a huge stick 22:46  |  Genuine Tosefta 09/01/08
  108.   INRARAT is already converted to Judaism 22:49  |  Genuine Tosefta 09/01/08
  109.   "City of Jesus, of Mohammad" ? Wait a minute, Bradley. 22:53  |  Fortuna Benmayor 09/01/08
  110.   The best friend Israel could ever have 22:53  |  Ken Gardner 09/01/08
  111.   Burston advising the war criminal 22:58  |  dana 09/01/08
  112.   Sure Bradley. 23:26  |  Maureen Ann 09/01/08
  113.   Is it true that Christians are not allowed to enter Mecca? 23:28  |  Question 09/01/08
  114.   Hello Bradley, I feel Israel was born to die 23:34  |  Dutch 09/01/08
  115.   Klaudia #98 Oh dear oh dear 23:40  |  doc 09/01/08
  116.   #84 balkas writes balkas in post 23:42  |  victor hardman 09/01/08
  117.   Is Mecca also the city of David, Jesus and Mohammad? 23:45  |  Genuine Tosefta 09/01/08
  118.   17 #83 Funny. 23:46  |  Hubal 09/01/08
  119.   CLICKFOOL Re not at all! 23:52  |  Gil 09/01/08
  120.   BRADLEY BURTSON-DRUNK IN CHARGE OF A KEYBOARD! 23:54  |  PADDY 09/01/08
  121.   Churchill`s wisdom for Slowman 23:56  |  Bradley Bush 09/01/08
  122.   dana and the degradation of concepts 00:18  |  Jasmine Murphy 10/01/08
  123.   george was born to swing from trees 00:25  |  george of the jungle 10/01/08
  124.   george was born to swing from trees 00:25  |  george of the jungle 10/01/08
  125.   #103, you got this one right on Mohammad 00:31  |  Genuine Tosefta 10/01/08
  126.   dana #103: greetings - 00:55  |  ivo 10/01/08
  127.   They cry peace peace but they`ll be no peace 01:42  |  Me again 10/01/08
  128.   103 Dana,I understand that there is a movement to start 01:54  |  lakshmi 10/01/08
  129.   Bush`s benign neglect 02:32  |  Ravi 10/01/08
  130.   17 #83 Counting problems? 02:33  |  examiner 10/01/08
  131.   Bradley Burston do you get points for brown nosing 03:43  |  Carlos Murphy 10/01/08
  132.   # 105, GENUINE TOSEFTA (NEITHER GENUINE NOR TOSEFTA) 03:51  |  indrajaya 10/01/08
  133.   #117 A Response 04:18  |  Xanthur 10/01/08
  134.   GW Bush 05:08  |  johnnymac 10/01/08
  135.   # 106 Clicky ....that is a huge chunk of change 06:21  |  Lynn 10/01/08
  136.   To Mr. Howard from Ojai 06:22  |  Danny 10/01/08
  137.   # 128 lakshmi...Cynthia McKinney is no longer 06:24  |  Lynn 10/01/08
  138.   The BIG lie: "Israel wants peace" 06:41  |  Joe 10/01/08
  139.   We are ALL born to make peace 07:12  |  English Resident 10/01/08
  140.   The vision of G-d & Bush a `Jewish State`. 07:19  |  Akram Zekaria 10/01/08
  141.   Basis of Burston`s analysis 07:51  |  Choni Davidowitz 10/01/08
  142.   #141 Choni 08:45  |  Joe 10/01/08
  143.   #138 JOE...100% on the money! 09:30  |  PADDY 10/01/08
  144.   dana - I am not happy with your exagerations... 09:54  |  S 10/01/08
  145.   they lead my people astray saying `Peace!` when there is no peace 11:11  |  Efox 10/01/08
  146.   Dear Mr. Burston 12:44  |  a wandering Jew 10/01/08
  147.   To Mr. Bush 13:38  |  Nora 10/01/08
  148.   # 65 Dying like flies we agree!!!!! Thanks 16:03  |  Petra 10/01/08
  149.   # 145 Efox thanks for reminding us. Shalom 16:15  |  Petra 10/01/08
  150.   TO NORA #147 17:25  |  Steve Beikirch 10/01/08
  151.   Ugh! 18:00  |  Nyctamere 10/01/08
  152.   Absolute Sweden (#35) against Bradley Burston 22:44  |  christoph 10/01/08
  153.   Joe #142 Excuse Me Joe But Where Exactly Did She Say That? 22:47  |  Tim R 10/01/08
  154.   S #144 - What exagerations? Part I 10:34  |  dana 11/01/08
  155.   S #144 - What exageration - part II 10:41  |  dana 11/01/08
  156.   S #144 - Addendum on the proper response to butchery and thuggery 10:52  |  dana 11/01/08
  157.   Ivo #128 - Yes, I do despise and abhor our so-called "president" 11:09  |  dana 11/01/08
  158.   Ivo #128 - Yes, I do despise & abhor our so-called "president" 11:19  |  dana 11/01/08
  159.   dana #154 Now you exagerate even your exagerations. 11:37  |  S 11/01/08
  160.   Jasmine Murphy - a deconstruction of a RRW 11:41  |  dana 11/01/08
  161.   Sorry dana. I won`t go into checking your tendentious numbers. 12:06  |  S 11/01/08
  162.   dana, ny the way, read CNN.com of today on the subject 13:00  |  S 11/01/08
  163.   lakshmi #128 - Re Bush`s impeachment 15:24  |  dana 11/01/08
  164.   dana #157,158:more than US & the jewish soul on trial here - 1 16:06  |  ivo 11/01/08
  165.   dana #157,158:more than US & the jewish soul on trial here - 2 16:31  |  ivo 11/01/08
  166.   dana #157,158:more than US & the jewish soul on trial here - 3 16:52  |  ivo 11/01/08
  167.   dana: and another thing you were wrong, wrong, wrong! 18:08  |  S 11/01/08
  168.   S #167 Dana Is A Very Emotional Lady 05:04  |  Tim R 12/01/08
  169.   Tim R #168 - Polemics 102 08:34  |  dana 12/01/08
  170.   dana 1 11:12  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/01/08
  171.   dana 2 11:17  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/01/08
  172.   # 169 dana..If I May Interject here.Can You Tell Us About .. 20:09  |  Kathy 12/01/08
  173.   Dana #169 You Don`t Believe Me That They Will Be/Are Better Off ? 20:10  |  Tim R 12/01/08
  174.   # 155 dana ---Do You Also Doubt the BBC`s Account? 01:13  |  Kathy 13/01/08
  175.   # 155 dana..Just sent you a response..This is a Short Addendum 01:38  |  Kathy 13/01/08
  176.   Mr.Presindent Your Enthuiasm Itounding,But Not Easy.(An Excerpt) 03:10  |  Kathy 13/01/08
  177.   To Mr.Bush, and The Compromizing is Not easy.(An Excerpt) 03:15  |  Kathy 13/01/08
  178.   Ivo #164 are war crimes justified by geo-political concerns? 14:13  |  dana 13/01/08
  179.   Ivo #164 are war crimes justified by geo-political concerns? II 14:22  |  dana 13/01/08
  180.   Ivo #164 how many dead justified by geo-political concerns? III 14:31  |  dana 13/01/08
  181.   kathy #175 - I am not the one who asks for lynching 14:41  |  dana 13/01/08
  182.   Dana #181 About Comparative Evil 21:32  |  Tim R 13/01/08
  183.   # 181 dana...Retrospective Addendum... 19:58  |  Kathy 14/01/08
  184.   Tim R #182 - another disingenuous post from you 20:37  |  dana 14/01/08
  185.   Cipora #170, 171 - What if the Iraqi victims were your family? 20:49  |  dana 14/01/08
  186.   Dana #185 This Post Is Over The Top, Even For You 21:53  |  Tim R 14/01/08
  187.   #185, dana 01:46  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/01/08
  188.   # 187 Cipora J.K.I agree.By Putting Especially those with Jewish 02:23  |  Kathy 15/01/08
  189.   Tim R #186, Kathy #188, Cipora - so you all play god now... 09:40  |  dana 15/01/08
  190.   Tim R #186, Cipora JK, kathy (all) - On moral "clarity" 09:50  |  dana 15/01/08
  191.   Cipora - about lancet study 10:26  |  S 15/01/08
  192.   Cipora again 11:15  |  S 15/01/08
  193.   #189 Dana`s Selective Morals and Lack of Moral Clarity 11:18  |  Tim R 15/01/08
  194.   Dana #189 More Polemics And nonsense From You P1/2 11:58  |  Tim R 15/01/08
  195.   Dana #189 More Polemics And Nonsense (P2/2) 12:04  |  Tim R 15/01/08
  196.   TimR #`s 193,4,5: quite correct! 13:30  |  S 15/01/08
  197.   # 189 dana.Repeating your Question Validates it Not.. 19:35  |  Kathy 15/01/08
  198.   S re: # 191 to Cipora 19:56  |  American in NY 15/01/08
  199.   Dana my 2 cents 20:15  |  American in NY 15/01/08
  200.   American in NY #198 - not a problem here 20:32  |  dana 15/01/08
  201.   OK ANY #198 I take it back from Cipora 20:33  |  S 15/01/08
  202.   I suggest everyone take a break 21:05  |  American in NY 15/01/08
  203.   S, yes it was a bad joke 21:15  |  American in NY 15/01/08
  204.   dana # 200 21:41  |  American in NY 15/01/08
  205.   S #196 Yes It`s Quite Sad .. 23:19  |  Tim R 15/01/08
  206.   # 200 dana..Cipora Signing off,And Kathy soldiering on.My $ worth 23:46  |  Kathy 15/01/08
  207.   S #196 Double Edge Arguments 03:01  |  Tim R 16/01/08
  208.   TimR #205 10:13  |  S 16/01/08
  209.   S 15:01  |  American in NY 16/01/08
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