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Unmilitary force
By Haaretz Editorial
Tags: IDF, Second Lebanon War 

Given that the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee's report on the Second Lebanon War was signed by 17 Knesset members representing the entire political spectrum, it is impossible to claim that it was politically biased. The committee regularly supervises the defense establishment, so it was natural for it to try to learn the lessons of the war. Instead of accusing it of having failed to hold the government responsible, people should read what's in the report. Its findings, like other information about the war, depict an army that has ceased to be an army.

The Israel Defense Forces failed to defeat Hezbollah, even though they had enough time (too much time, in the committee's opinion). And the IDF had public and international support, reservists who showed up on short notice, more than enough technology and weaponry, and an enemy located near the border.

The report noted that the IDF did not conduct itself like an army, so it failed to carry out the mission the government assigned it. The "strategic goal" was formulated in political language and was not translated into military targets. According to the committee, the war had three stages, but no military lessons were learned as the army progressed from one to the next. Whatever failed in Stage 1 was tried again, in a slightly different form, in Stage 2. The war was fought using Hezbollah's tactics rather than taking advantage of the IDF's large size.
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Even though the government ordered the army on July 19, 2006, to make suppressing the rocket fire on Israel its primary mission, this order was never implemented. That the firing continued until the end of the fighting - on the final day, Hezbollah launched 250 rockets at Israel - is proof the IDF lost the war. If the war produced any strategic achievements, they stemmed not from the fighting's success but from Israel's willingness to respond to the abduction of two soldiers, as well as from the international involvement in drafting the cease-fire's terms.

Perhaps because of the growing overlap between the army and government - ministers who speak like officers and officers who think like politicians - a pathological confusion over the division of labor has developed.

The IDF was not acting like an army even before the war: It had never readied operational plans for the possibility of war with Hezbollah. That is a shocking finding given that Israel initiated the war. The committee's conclusion that a large ground operation should have been launched at the start of the war ignores the possibility that this operation might have failed also.

Israel had three options after the soldiers' abduction: not responding, responding with a small operation or responding with an all-out war. Instead, the choice fell on something in the middle, which no one ever managed to define. A small operation would have spared Israel the massive rocket barrage. A large operation would have had to take the rocket fire into account and take action to suppress it. But the army made no effort to suppress this fire.

The Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee described an army that does not function as an army - not in terms of hierarchy, structure or operational and logistical preparedness. It does not function as an army in the way it translates government decisions into action on the ground, or in its ability to win, or even in its desire to win. Even someone who is not enthusiastic about going to war should be worried by this state of affairs.
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  1.   Haaretz, so patriotic 10:10  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 04/01/08
  2.   HAARETZ headline says more about Haaretz than the IDF 10:11  |  PETER SM 04/01/08
  3.   This Editor is now going to...... 10:11  |  Miriam Ashkelon 04/01/08
  4.   Very odd "strategic achievements" 10:27  |  Clickfool 04/01/08
  5.   On cheering up Peter SM # 2 10:39  |  Clickfool 04/01/08
  6.   Avoids some of the nastier thoughts 10:57  |  Colin Wright 04/01/08
  7.   No one wants to die to save the settlements 11:08  |  Chanalau, Tova 04/01/08
  8.   I watched this war closely in 11:11  |  cool 04/01/08
  9.   THEY DESERVE NO LESS THAN "HAGUE" 11:20  |  indrajaya 04/01/08
  10.   THEY DESERVE NO LESS THAN "HAGUE" 11:20  |  indrajaya 04/01/08
  11.   if the idf did not perform well then we are at fault 11:40  |  harzion 04/01/08
  12.   the whole editorial to the extent it did not mention 11:45  |  harzion 04/01/08
  13.   cool #8 out of 9 posts, only you make sense! 11:48  |  S 04/01/08
  14.   Unmilitary..... 11:55  |  Esther 04/01/08
  15.   #indrajaya 11:56  |  Adrian de Klerk 04/01/08
  16.   The IDF lacks effective leadership on every level 11:56  |  Natallie Durson 04/01/08
  17.   Israel lost the war 11:57  |  Chris Linthwaite 04/01/08
  18.   And how responsible is the LEFT for this? 12:05  |  observer 04/01/08
  19.   Vulgar Marxist Colin Wright 12:26  |  Absolute Sweden 04/01/08
  20.   why should the best officers stay in the idf? 12:26  |  harzion 04/01/08
  21.   chris linthwaite hatred and bitterness 12:31  |  basra 04/01/08
  22.   the nitwits parade again to spout total crap 12:53  |  victor hardman 04/01/08
  23.   Fault is with the Generals-How Many Killed or wounded? None 13:03  |  Yossi Cronenberg 04/01/08
  24.   Re S #13 and others 13:08  |  Esther 04/01/08
  25.   Repetitive rituals to uphold lack of definition 13:13  |  sh 04/01/08
  26.   Re Observer #18 13:16  |  Esther 04/01/08
  27.   #6 Colin, on your last line..... 13:25  |  Johnboy 04/01/08
  28.   Stupidity or Political Agenda? 13:29  |  Gideon Afek 04/01/08
  29.   # 8 "Cool", your opinions are cool. IDF didn`t fail.PM,DF are 13:34  |  Max Zinger (Mossad) 04/01/08
  30.   The IDF, like Israel, has grown weak & flabby with affluence 13:54  |  Clickfool 04/01/08
  31.   what editorial misses 14:01  |  rich 04/01/08
  32.   For S, on the dying days of the war # 13 14:03  |  Clickfool 04/01/08
  33.   Chris Linthwaite 14:04  |  rich 04/01/08
  34.   #22 the remarkable yossi and more hot air 14:25  |  victor hardman 04/01/08
  35.   Re Max #26 14:35  |  Esther 04/01/08
  36.   Gideon #25, did you tell this to Winograd?! 14:40  |  Esther 04/01/08
  37.   Re Yossi #22 14:46  |  Esther 04/01/08
  38.   Lebanon was LEFTIST War 14:50  |  B 04/01/08
  39.   Re observer #18 (addendum) 15:00  |  Esther 04/01/08
  40.   Nasrollah himself said "it wasn`t worth it", wouldn`t do it again 15:00  |  Dr. L. Brnd 04/01/08
  41.   HAARETZ 15:16  |  GABE1 04/01/08
  42.   #21 Victor Hardman 15:17  |  Chris Linthwaite 04/01/08
  43.   The many Olmert mistakes in the Lebanon war 15:22  |  Tosefta 04/01/08
  44.   No 2nd leb war 15:27  |  6 million 04/01/08
  45.   On Lebanon`s "Victory" 15:29  |  Ambrose 04/01/08
  46.   Takes one to know one 15:31  |  Dry Fuss 04/01/08
  47.   #21 A potted history lesson from Victor 15:34  |  Johnboy 04/01/08
  48.   Esther Of JAFFA 15:34  |  GABE1 04/01/08
  49.   IDF = Death Squads 15:35  |  POP 04/01/08
  50.   #26 Deck chairs on the Titanic, Max 15:42  |  Johnboy 04/01/08
  51.   IDF = most murderous terrorist organisation in Middle East 15:46  |  Stephen Murray 04/01/08
  52.   Fighting civilian terrorists among civilians is morally 16:01  |  deteriorating 04/01/08
  53.   Indrajaya`s Indonesian military are WAR CRIMINALS 16:02  |  Craig F 04/01/08
  54.   ELECTIONS? 16:04  |  bat yam 04/01/08
  55.   IDF, lebanon and haaretz 16:05  |  marcel 04/01/08
  56.   Esther your own patriotism isn`t burningly obvious either 16:28  |  Iz Ray Leigh 04/01/08
  57.   #27 johnboy and the usual inaccuracies of post 16:31  |  victor hardman 04/01/08
  58.   It`s an occupation army, used to killing women and children 16:55  |  Gemayel 04/01/08
  59.   Its all about protecting Olmert - #41 nailed it! 16:56  |  observer 04/01/08
  60.   The Left is responsible 17:06  |  Frank 04/01/08
  61.   Haaretz Editor contradicts himself 17:06  |  Richard 04/01/08
  62.   POOP,Did you swallow a duracell?? 17:16  |  TOMY 04/01/08
  63.   To Tosefta,Be happy...it will be a next war...so 17:23  |  Dummy the ant 04/01/08
  64.   the politicians ran Lebanon & to few experienced officers 17:29  |  zionist forever 04/01/08
  65.   the idf is doing its job full well if (read on): 17:33  |  manuel belli 04/01/08
  66.   # 39, CRAIG F (a.k.a PETER SM) 17:36  |  indrajaya 04/01/08
  67.   re:29 17:41  |  zionist forever 04/01/08
  68.   Intelligence was IDF`s main weak point. 18:02  |  Franco 04/01/08
  69.   IDF started out as terrorist (stern, irgun) and remains terrorist 18:16  |  muslim 04/01/08
  70.   Re #27, #34 18:17  |  Esther 04/01/08
  71.   I do not believe the IDF was defeated 18:21  |  KUTW 04/01/08
  72.   Stephen Murray! 18:38  |  dovvod 04/01/08
  73.   Unmilitary force.. 18:47  |  Edithann 04/01/08
  74.   Cool #8 IDF quality has eroded 18:49  |  B 04/01/08
  75.   To the Editor: No the IDF is still the best army in the ME 18:54  |  Altalena 04/01/08
  76.   With Israelis like Esther (TA) 19:08  |  Jake 04/01/08
  77.   u.s. cannot at this time ok ouster of pals for 19:13  |  bozhidar balkas 04/01/08
  78.   HAARETZ: Look at mirror! 19:17  |  Vittorio 04/01/08
  79.   Nasrallah is an exact analogy of Pyrrus of Epirus 19:22  |  Jake 04/01/08
  80.   PETER SM Nasrallah`s net benefit from the war 19:23  |  Pablo B 04/01/08
  81.   Margie what? 19:36  |  Danite 04/01/08
  82.   #46 indrajaya Who was indicted?? 19:50  |  Adrian de KLerk 04/01/08
  83.   2. PETER SM: HAARETZ headline 20:00  |  KUTW 04/01/08
  84.   "Border incident ?" More Delusional Thinking 20:22  |  Tod Zuckerman 04/01/08
  85.   Israeli Aversion To Putting "Boots On The Ground" 20:25  |  chet 04/01/08
  86.   #50 KUTW - nobody released 20:31  |  Pablo B 04/01/08
  87.   49. KUTW the intelligence was bred out of you 20:36  |  muslim 04/01/08
  88.   Don`t underestimate the IDF. Its still the best army in the ME 20:37  |  Marwan مروان خوري 04/01/08
  89.   Hezbollah took a serious beating by IDF. The only mistake was 20:40  |  Marwan مروان خوري 04/01/08
  90.   Some points are correct,but the deterants 20:41  |  TOMY 04/01/08
  91.   Shock and Awe redux 20:43  |  David 04/01/08
  92.   Yes, Margie, You Got It Right! 20:46  |  massaraksh 04/01/08
  93.   54. Pablo B: nobody released 20:47  |  KUTW 04/01/08
  94.   #3 Miriam: I Can`t Believe This Editorial! 20:52  |  massaraksh 04/01/08
  95.   #49 KUTW - wrong on the facts. 20:59  |  Pablo B 04/01/08
  96.   How to deal with Hizballah 21:25  |  Tosefta 04/01/08
  97.   81Pablo B: the facts 21:42  |  KUTW 04/01/08
  98.   S # 13 21:42  |  American in NY 04/01/08
  99.   73: muslim 21:45  |  KUTW 04/01/08
  100.   #66pablo and the politics of hizbollah? 21:50  |  victor hardman 04/01/08
  101.   99. to the yiddish clown vistoria softman 22:02  |  muslim 04/01/08
  102.   massaraksh 22:15  |  Connie 04/01/08
  103.   # 80 22:18  |  bernard 04/01/08
  104.   Johnboy # 27 22:34  |  American in NY 04/01/08
  105.   What everybody here has forgotten 22:39  |  AliciaYasmeen 04/01/08
  106.   KUTW`s short sightedness 22:48  |  Pablo B 04/01/08
  107.   For Marwan # 88 22:50  |  Clickfool 04/01/08
  108.   Come on! get real 23:01  |  K 04/01/08
  109.   # 1 Margie in Tel Aviv..Haaretz Is The Enemy.(UNMILITARY FORCE)?? 23:08  |  Fed-Up 04/01/08
  110.   Danite, Tosefta, or anyone willing to help 23:29  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 04/01/08
  111.   Danite 23:46  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 04/01/08
  112.   Chicky Chet, you are really a fool 23:50  |  Jake 04/01/08
  113.   tosefta "make peace with syria" 23:59  |  haim 04/01/08
  114.   chet the challenged (in every way) 00:07  |  Jake 05/01/08
  115.   #33 Rich 00:08  |  Chris Linthwaite 05/01/08
  116.   #88 Marwen 00:11  |  Chris Linthwaite 05/01/08
  117.   To Indrajaya, Gemaiel, Clickfool: Israel is strong 00:15  |  Altalena 05/01/08
  118.   Tod Zuukerman 00:32  |  kiwi girl 05/01/08
  119.   #16, Durson 00:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/01/08
  120.   #32, clickfool 00:57  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/01/08
  121.   To Tosefta#96...The Rose of Syria 00:58  |  Dummy the ant 05/01/08
  122.   #101 loose wieight now with MOO SLIM 01:13  |  Slim Pickins 05/01/08
  123.   muslim 01:13  |  Connie 05/01/08
  124.   KUTW - Hezb wasn`t doing a jail break 01:14  |  Pablo B 05/01/08
  125.   #84 Todd Zuckerman, on "border incidents" 01:17  |  Johnboy 05/01/08
  126.   #103 K wants to know why Nasrallah would stay his hand 01:29  |  Johnboy 05/01/08
  127.   johnboy the agreement with hizballah covered the time 01:45  |  zevulun 05/01/08
  128.   To Connie 01:54  |  christa 05/01/08
  129.   #113, haim 02:00  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/01/08
  130.   #126 g`dnight Johnboy 02:04  |  K 05/01/08
  131.   #8, cool, and lowering military casualties 02:08  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/01/08
  132.   The war 02:21  |  Shmuelshachor 05/01/08
  133.   #96, Tosefta, theory vs reality 02:24  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/01/08
  134.   107 Clickfool and 116 Chris.Most military expert agree that its 02:31  |  Marwan مروان خوري 05/01/08
  135.   Mercenaries 02:32  |  Anthony 05/01/08
  136.   Marwan Khoury & Co 02:41  |  Anthonyt 05/01/08
  137.   What did anyone expect? 02:52  |  Mark Lincoln 05/01/08
  138.   Jhonboy 126 and 125 Tell me why? 03:27  |  Giora 05/01/08
  139.   #129, Mark Lincoln... 03:54  |  Silvienne 05/01/08
  140.   # 110 Tess..After All your the various Tries in Many Directions 03:54  |  Kathy 05/01/08
  141.   #95 Say Tosefta 04:04  |  ballistic 05/01/08
  142.   Earthly calculations are not for Martians #133 04:20  |  Tosefta 05/01/08
  143.   Indrajaya (a.k.a. Lakshmi) - Crimes of Indonesia 04:26  |  Craig 05/01/08
  144.   KUTW battlefield failure on top of the strategic failure 04:29  |  Pablo B 05/01/08
  145.   #138 Gloria`s potted history 04:36  |  Johnboy 05/01/08
  146.   # 143, CRAIG F (a.k.a PETER SM) 05:04  |  indrajaya 05/01/08
  147.   IDF just got whooped 05:10  |  Steve 05/01/08
  148.   timeless 05:18  |  solomon 05/01/08
  149.   Silvienne - exactly 05:56  |  Mark Lincoln 05/01/08
  150.   Tosefta - can Hizbollah be divided from Syria? 06:04  |  Mark Lincoln 05/01/08
  151.   Pablo B. - How? 06:13  |  Mark Lincoln 05/01/08
  152.   #145 Johnboy - Syria walked in before Sharon 06:43  |  Giora 05/01/08
  153.   #152 - Johnboy - The freal acts- 06:57  |  Giora 05/01/08
  154.   Mark Lincoln 07:05  |  Giora 05/01/08
  155.   #152 Syria was invited in, Giora 07:06  |  Johnboy 05/01/08
  156.   #139, Silvienne 07:22  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/01/08
  157.   Potemkin 07:51  |  chet 05/01/08
  158.   Winning? Losing? 08:08  |  Gordon 05/01/08
  159.   IDF is an Army that has Turned Into Pharaoh Taskmaster 08:15  |  Joseph E . 05/01/08
  160.   #101 muslim are you sunni or just shiite ? 08:31  |  victor hardman 05/01/08
  161.   Christa 08:55  |  Connie 05/01/08
  162.   Tosefta #142 09:24  |  S 05/01/08
  163.   solomon #148 09:30  |  S 05/01/08
  164.   Lose the Civilian Sympathy 09:33  |  Steve Tate 05/01/08
  165.   Pablo 09:34  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/01/08
  166.   Cipora going after Hassan Nasrallah The Shop Keeper 09:35  |  Pablo B 05/01/08
  167.   Mark Lincoln and Ronald Reagan 09:44  |  Pablo B 05/01/08
  168.   Anthony 09:49  |  Jake 05/01/08
  169.   what makes the idf an "unmilitary force"... 09:55  |  eric 05/01/08
  170.   Steve, your comment is more than a little dumb 10:00  |  Jake 05/01/08
  171.   Pablo B, obtuse 10:03  |  Jake 05/01/08
  172.   A subject like that ... 10:09  |  disgusted talk 05/01/08
  173.   Remembering Dan Halutz ... 10:14  |  Soldier 05/01/08
  174.   #166, Pablo B 10:40  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/01/08
  175.   Responding in the middle? 10:52  |  George Natour 05/01/08
  176.   For Cipora, on the IDF`s "fighting spirit" # 120 10:57  |  Clickfool 05/01/08
  177.   Connie speaking on behalf of Palestinian Christians 11:06  |  ELIAS KHOURY 05/01/08
  178.   Realities 11:12  |  Palestinian Prince 05/01/08
  179.   #172 Disgusted Talk 11:13  |  Paul Wood 05/01/08
  180.   #178 the princely crap repeated over again 11:41  |  victor hardman 05/01/08
  181.   to disgusted talk 12:13  |  wiseUP 05/01/08
  182.   # 3 and others 12:26  |  A.M. 05/01/08
  183.   ELIAS KHOURY # 177 12:51  |  Gina 05/01/08
  184.   eric 12:59  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/01/08
  185.   a.m 182 12:59  |  Miriam Ashkelon 05/01/08
  186.   A.M. IN tel Aviv 13:09  |  Axelrod 05/01/08
  187.   # 184 nice try margie...(2nd try) 13:21  |  eric 05/01/08
  188.   Too Many Innacuracies for one Editorial 13:37  |  NB 05/01/08
  189.   How it could have , whenever the lefties , like Haaretz and 13:52  |  Sal 05/01/08
  190.   Unmilitary force 14:12  |  arieh 05/01/08
  191.   eric, or little by little 14:12  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/01/08
  192.   hardman is a fair magnanimous antagonist 14:14  |  lebanese blonde 05/01/08
  193.   This is usual 14:45  |  Spinoza Machievelli 05/01/08
  194.   #144 Pablo B´s confessions 14:46  |  AliciaYasmeen 05/01/08
  195.   INDRAJAYA Craig is right your so called Army are rapist,thieves & 15:03  |  PETER SM 05/01/08
  196.   INDRAJAYA Craig is too kind.You also murdered Chinese 15:11  |  PETER SM 05/01/08
  197.   KUTW and Lebanons rep cried like a baby 15:20  |  Petra 05/01/08
  198.   The good news is elloquent. 15:28  |  Fortuna Benmayor 05/01/08
  199.   Syria and Hizballah (Mark Lincoln #150) 15:35  |  Tosefta 05/01/08
  200.   Wrong S #162 15:39  |  Tosefta 05/01/08
  201.   Has there ever been a day, one day, that the IDF has NOT murdered 16:02  |  POP 05/01/08
  202.   # 174 Cipora.J.K re:Pablo B..WHY DOESN`T HE MENTION. 16:08  |  Kathy 05/01/08
  203.   The inevitable nay-sayers... 16:12  |  Esther 05/01/08
  204.   to #193 spinoza 16:13  |  NB 05/01/08
  205.   # 182 A.M = The Naysayers and Ibfuscaters+Haaretz. 16:15  |  Kathy 05/01/08
  206.   Unmilitary force 16:52  |  Josef Jesmore 05/01/08
  207.   # 195, 196, PETER SM 16:58  |  indrajaya 05/01/08
  208.   TO K A T H Y. 17:04  |  The Teacher/Instruct 05/01/08
  209.   #201 which people are they pop? 17:16  |  victor hardman 05/01/08
  210.   #194 Squatter "Daan Unde" and the truth re IDF 17:28  |  Labhras 05/01/08
  211.   Margie begins 2008 with untruths. 17:32  |  Labhras 05/01/08
  212.   Giora - occupation creates resistance 17:40  |  Mark Lincoln 05/01/08
  213.   IDF = Israelis Don`t Fight 17:42  |  Kevin 05/01/08
  214.   clickfool the sas has killed "thousands of iraqis" 17:43  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  215.   Pablo B. - The Original Point of Failure 17:44  |  Mark Lincoln 05/01/08
  216.   Tosefta - Hizballah and Syria 17:51  |  Mark Lincoln 05/01/08
  217.   clickfool asks about israeli fighting spirit 17:54  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  218.   Esther - correct assessment 17:59  |  Mark Lincoln 05/01/08
  219.   What a disturbing article?! 18:00  |  Buzaglow 05/01/08
  220.   clickfool and fighting spirit 18:02  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  221.   #23 Yossi Cronenber - Where`s the pistol? 18:07  |  * BEN JABO 05/01/08
  222.   #30 Clickfool - We can always use the Brits 18:09  |  * BEN JABO 05/01/08
  223.   #17 Linthwaite - I see that Britain 18:12  |  * BEN JABO 05/01/08
  224.   Armenians and Jews 18:16  |  Ethel 05/01/08
  225.   clickfool results of lebanon war. 18:17  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  226.   The Jews did not crucify Christ 18:32  |  Ethel 05/01/08
  227.   For Brighton Rock # 220 18:38  |  Clickfool 05/01/08
  228.   # 156 Cipora J.K ...And If I May Add,,The Total Death of Our Boys 18:47  |  Kathy 05/01/08
  229.   # 208 The Teacher/Instruct...How can I forget You? 18:53  |  Kathy 05/01/08
  230.   The rabbi in Armenia 19:06  |  Ethel 05/01/08
  231.   #223 Ben Jabo zzzzzzzzzzzz again 19:12  |  Labhras 05/01/08
  232.   # 217 brighton rock..Israeli fighting Spirit..In a Way I Agree.. 19:15  |  Kathy 05/01/08
  233.   # 193 Spinoza Machievelli..Quite Right.. 19:29  |  Kathy 05/01/08
  234.   #156 Say Silvienne re CJK 19:34  |  ballistic 05/01/08
  235.   For NB #188 and the like 19:38  |  Esther 05/01/08
  236.   #209 Victorpaul Harrisman 19:49  |  Labhras 05/01/08
  237.   IDF 20:08  |  Ralph 05/01/08
  238.   clickfool some more information 20:55  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  239.   clickfool you may as well get to know those you hate 21:03  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  240.   to #235 21:06  |  NB 05/01/08
  241.   Say Ballistic?? A question about polishing 21:09  |  Brant 05/01/08
  242.   kathy i appreciate your fighting spirit 21:10  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  243.   CLICKFOOL 21:11  |  Brant 05/01/08
  244.   kathy 21:14  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  245.   israeli strategy of masterly inactivity 21:39  |  brighton rock 05/01/08
  246.   Tosefta #200 21:42  |  S 05/01/08
  247.   # 185 Miriam Ashkelon..Dear Safta I Love You,and Agree with You. 21:47  |  Kathy 05/01/08
  248.   haaretz is a paper that ceased to function as a newspaper 22:12  |  reader 05/01/08
  249.   A.M. and Esther 23:17  |  Mahmoud El Tizzi 05/01/08
  250.   TOE SEPTA $96-Post 5 23:21  |  GABE1 05/01/08
  251.   IDF needs proper commanders, not fascists like Mofaz 23:26  |  mehmet 05/01/08
  252.   do lying journalists help africa? 23:38  |  helpafrica 05/01/08
  253.   New elections 23:51  |  Jo Jo 05/01/08
  254.   what is the justification for overiding the african kleptomaniacs 00:13  |  helpafrica 06/01/08
  255.   # 234 ballistic.Israel does not occupy Lebanon 00:53  |  Lynn 06/01/08
  256.   Clickfool, indrajaya and other "activists`" real reasons 01:34  |  Marwan مروان خوري 06/01/08
  257.   Underestimating the IDF is dead wrong..Nasrallah knows that 01:37  |  Marwan مروان خوري 06/01/08
  258.   #136 AnthonyT`s inability to comprehend that no every Arab is 01:42  |  Marwan مروان خوري 06/01/08
  259.   Ethel - it goes way back 02:04  |  Mark Lincoln 06/01/08
  260.   Earth to Lynn, Earth to Lynn 02:08  |  Mark Lincoln 06/01/08
  261.   Elias Khoury 02:23  |  Connie 06/01/08
  262.   After spending 35 years as a police force 02:26  |  Mark Lincoln 06/01/08
  263.   Elias Khoury 02:29  |  Connie 06/01/08
  264.   Mark Lincoln - Growing pains 02:30  |  Giora 06/01/08
  265.   Brant 02:37  |  Connie 06/01/08
  266.   an Unmilitary force on what mission? 02:40  |  a wandering Jew 06/01/08
  267.   #260 Lincoln - Abe would be ashamed of you 03:13  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  268.   #177 Elias Khoury 03:22  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  269.   Gina #183 03:23  |  ELIAS KHOURY 06/01/08
  270.   Connie, loyalty to one`s nation 03:27  |  ELIAS KHOURY 06/01/08
  271.   #254 Help Africa 03:28  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  272.   Connie, which Palestinian Christians in Knesset? 03:30  |  ELIAS KHOURY 06/01/08
  273.   # 258 Marwan ..Please Excuse my Derigatory Remarks..Whe I 03:47  |  Kathy 06/01/08
  274.   88 Marwan 03:56  |  Steve 06/01/08
  275.   Elias Khoury - so you don`t believe 04:15  |  Gina 06/01/08
  276.   Elias Khoury part1 05:31  |  Connie 06/01/08
  277.   Elias Khoury part2 05:35  |  Connie 06/01/08
  278.   #lias Khoury - U live there and don`t know what is going on 05:41  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  279.   #274 Steve - Minneapolis 05:48  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  280.   Cipora confused between unsuccessful and succesful special ops 07:54  |  Pablo B 06/01/08
  281.   #23, Yossi Cronenberg... 07:56  |  Silvienne 06/01/08
  282.   #156, Cipora... 08:12  |  Silvienne 06/01/08
  283.   #234, ballistic... 08:24  |  Silvienne 06/01/08
  284.   #239, brighton rock... 08:27  |  Silvienne 06/01/08
  285.   #241, Brant...to ballistic... 08:29  |  Silvienne 06/01/08
  286.   #271, Ben Jabo re: ballistic.. 08:35  |  Silvienne 06/01/08
  287.   The DEFENCE COMMITTEE`S REPORT was signed..... 09:02  |  Dagma 06/01/08
  288.   #236labarse of arabia and more mirth from 09:08  |  victor hardman 06/01/08
  289.   idf=thugs 09:08  |  kmt 06/01/08
  290.   #280-5 the silvienne corner of misinformation 09:15  |  victor hardman 06/01/08
  291.   #283 SILVIENNE 09:41  |  DANNY 06/01/08
  292.   #279, Pablo B 09:45  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/01/08
  293.   #280 SILVIENNE 09:49  |  DANY 06/01/08
  294.   #281, Silvienne 09:55  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/01/08
  295.   Patriotic? 15:15  |  The Truth 06/01/08
  296.   SILVIENNE RE ME AND BALLISTIC 15:25  |  Brant 06/01/08
  297.   Hate Israel?! 15:33  |  The Truth Hurts 06/01/08
  298.   #286 Silvienne RE: Me & Ballistic 19:12  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  299.   #281 Silvienne re: Cronenberg 19:15  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  300.   Get Real! 19:42  |  The Truth Hurts 06/01/08
  301.   #300 Truth - You don`t know what it is 20:14  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  302.   #297 -2 Truth - you don`t have the vaguest idea 20:21  |  * BEN JABO 06/01/08
  303.   lebanon, vietnam war? but not polish war? 22:06  |  bozhidar balkas 06/01/08
  304.   #296, Brant... 03:41  |  Silvienne 07/01/08
  305.   #291, Danny, generalizations such as yours... 03:50  |  Silvienne 07/01/08
  306.   #293, Danny, I didn`t write #280... 03:51  |  Silvienne 07/01/08
  307.   #293, Cipora... 03:53  |  Silvienne 07/01/08
  308.   #298, Ben Jabo...The Golden Medina... 04:01  |  Silvienne 07/01/08
  309.   #299, Ben Jabo re: Cronenberg... 04:03  |  Silvienne 07/01/08
  310.   #300, The Truth Hurts... 04:06  |  Silvienne 07/01/08
  311.   #309 Silvienne - by this time 07:53  |  * BEN JABO 07/01/08
  312.   #311, Ben Jabo... 20:08  |  Silvienne 07/01/08
  313.   #312 Silvienne - One last gun story 02:25  |  * BEN JABO 08/01/08
  314.   #308 Pogroms & People 02:29  |  * BEN JABO 08/01/08
  315.   Silvienne - from personal experience 02:32  |  * BEN JABO 08/01/08
  316.   #313, Ben Jabo... 02:34  |  Silvienne 11/01/08
  317.   #314, Yaad Vashem... 02:36  |  Silvienne 11/01/08
  318.   #315, Ben Jabo... 02:40  |  Silvienne 11/01/08
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