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Here's to the '67 borders, the new middle of the road
By Bradley Burston
Tags: Irvine, Dershowitz, Burston 

There was a time, not long past, that the mere mention of the 1967 borders was seen by many in the Jewish community as an expression of disloyalty, of sacrilege, of foolhardy risk, almost of profanity.

Gradually, remarkably, there are signs that the route of the middle of the road has shifted. That we've come a long, long way. At this point, for many on the Israeli side and, in fact, on the Palestinian side as well, the middle of the road passes very, very close to the Green Line, the post-1948 war, pre-1967 war boundary between the West Bank and Israel.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in an interview to be published in the Friday Jerusalem Post, states that "the world that is friendly to Israel... that really supports Israel, when it speaks of the future, it speaks of Israel in terms of the '67 borders. It speaks of the division of Jerusalem."
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The Arab League has thrown its weight behind the 2002 Saudi-inspired peace initiative, which offers Israel full normalization of relations and comprehensive peace treaties with Arab countries in exchange for withdrawal from the territory captured in 1967, an independent Palestine with its capital in East Jerusalem, and a "just solution" of the Palestinian refugee issue.

Professor Alan Dershowitz, in these remarks from "Why are so many leftists so anti-Israel," a recorded address to the recent Limmud Conference of Jewish learning and discussion, held at the University of Warwick, Coventry, England:

"I had a recent event at [the University of California,] Irvine, which is among the most difficult universities and colleges for Jewish students to attend, because of the loud, vocal and persistent agitation among anti-Israel groups.

"I spoke to about a thousand students there, and I asked how many of the students, after my presentation, generally regarded themselves as pro-Israel, and 200, 250 raised their hands.

And I said, "Among those who just raised their hands, how many of you would support the existence of a peaceful, economically viable, democratic, pluralistic Palestinian state, side-by-side with Israel on borders approximating those proposed at Camp David and Taba.

"I think every single one of the people who said they supported Israel raised their hand. In other words, of the 250 who said they generally regarded themselves as pro-Israel, all of them were also pro-Palestine. They supported a two-state solution. They supported aspirations of the Palestinian people, consistent with peace and pluralism.

"I then asked how many in the audience regard themselves as pro-Palestinian, here because they're supporting Palestine. Probably 100, 150 raised their hands. Then I said, 'I want to know how many among you would be willing to accept a peaceful Israel, an Israel not occupying, an Israel not interested in acquiring more land, but simply living as a Jewish democracy living side-by-side with a Palestinian state.

"I was shocked, and so was everybody in the audience, shocked to see that not one person among the 100-150 who described themselves as pro-Palestinian, would raise their hands."

The story bears examination, and retelling, for a number of reasons, not least for this one:

In the process of relating the story, Professor Dershowitz has set out a concise outline for a middle-of-the-road position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, circa 2008.

It is a peaceful Israel, an Israel not occupying, an Israel not interested in acquiring more land, but simply living as a Jewish democracy living side-by-side with a peaceful, economically viable, democratic, pluralistic Palestinian state, on borders approximating those proposed at Camp David and Taba.

There was a time when the mention of 1967 lines was met with nothing more than one version or other of Abba Eban's 1969 comment to the German newspaper Der Spiegel:

"We have openly said that the map will never again be the same as on June 4, 1967. For us, this is a matter of security and of principles. The June map is for us equivalent to insecurity and danger. I do not exaggerate when I say that it has for us something of a memory of Auschwitz."

Many of those who cite the "Auschwitz borders" quote as a bulwark against giving up all occupied territory, conveniently forget that Abba Eban was an outspoken and unabashed dove.

Many of those who oppose territorial compromise of all kinds turn a blind eye to Abba Eban's comment that an Israel which refuses to consider ceding land is "tearing up its own birth certificate.

"Israel's birth is intrinsically and intimately linked with the idea of sharing territory and sovereignty," Eban declared.

It's important to note that in an era of land-for-Qassams in Gaza and deadly Palestinian internal strife, any accord over borders is a distant prospect at best.

At the same time, there is growing awareness among Palestinians that maximalism, in particular the forms of long-distance Islamic extremism exported by Iran and Osama Bin Laden, could in the end kill the prospect of a Palestinian state altogether.

Even Hamas officials have spoken of being "able to live with" an interim situation of a Palestinian state along 1967 lines. "Where the Hamas Charter speaks of "an end to the conflict and the end of the occupation," Hamas, from Khaled Meshaal on down, is speaking clearly of the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas official Razi Hamid told Army Radio in 2006.

"This is a new page today. We agree to an independent Palestinian state with the 1967 borders," Hamid said. "Today there is an opportunity to reach a political settlement."

So here's to the all new middle of the road, an especially useful view - and test of Palestinian intentions and aspirations - at a time when Bin Laden chooses to stake out the maximalist ground of a one-state all-Palestinian, all-Islamist solution.

Maximalists on both sides would have us believe that compromise invites murder. It's time for the quieter majority to stand up and point out that its maximalists who do the great majority of the killing around here.

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  1.   israel 18:53  |  albert paul ortiz 31/12/07
  2.   Name of the game is giving and taking 19:25  |  Shoshana Thomasson 31/12/07
  3.   #1 albert paul ortiz 20:35  |  Jimmy 31/12/07
  4.   Israel`s borders&Palestinians Rlisted in the Bible 21:06  |  sam 31/12/07
  5.   To Jimmy No. 3 21:23  |  Shoshana Thomasson 31/12/07
  6.   Alan Dershowitz as a Pollster 21:29  |  Randy 31/12/07
  7.   To Sam USA 21:37  |  Shoshana Thomasson 31/12/07
  8.   the 67 borders - the lefts new holy grail 21:44  |  smarter then olmert 31/12/07
  9.   Farewell 23:11  |  Alex Ensor 31/12/07
  10.   4. yeah you ashkenazi listed in the bible too 00:19  |  i ain`t lying 01/01/08
  11.   Camp David/Taba 00:24  |  Yoel 01/01/08
  12.   Bradley, How does this help if not a single pro-pal agrees? 01:17  |  Rob 01/01/08
  13.   Bradley, How does this help if not a single pro-pal agrees? 01:32  |  Rob 01/01/08
  14.   Peace Terms After the 1967 War: King Hussain 02:34  |  Tim R 01/01/08
  15.   Finding "The Middle of the Road" in the most Left of Places 05:52  |  Efox 01/01/08
  16.   Re #4 Nope, Palestinians aren`t Philistines. Think FSU Seminoles 06:38  |  DJStahl 01/01/08
  17.   Missing the Point 08:13  |  Bernard 01/01/08
  18.   Burstons road is exactly my road.......... 09:54  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  19.   Encore 10:01  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  20.   We keep moving our boundaries, changing concepts 10:06  |  Iz Ray Leigh 01/01/08
  21.   What the `67 bprders entail 10:09  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  22.   lakshmi, indrajaya, Clickfool, would you raise your hands? 10:12  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  23.   Unfortunately over the past years/decades many Israelis.......... 10:16  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  24.   Israel`s Eastern Border Is The Jordan River 10:20  |  Yishai Kohen 01/01/08
  25.   "Even Hamas officials 10:20  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  26.   It is important to realize, the essence of the Arab Israeli 10:23  |  Avihu 01/01/08
  27.   pals don`t want peace; they want it all 10:31  |  Walter 01/01/08
  28.   # 10 Bernard 10:46  |  Joseph E . 01/01/08
  29.   Bradley Burston uses anadoctal evidence 10:50  |  Butros Dahu 01/01/08
  30.   #20 Yishai Cohen, you`re living in the past 10:59  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  31.   `67 Borders are MOOT and have NOTHING to do with anything! 11:06  |  Mark Hamil 01/01/08
  32.   #28 Joseph E. - You`re no different from the Arabs 11:08  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  33.   67 BORDERS 11:14  |  Baruch 01/01/08
  34.   The paradigm shift of the Iceberg out of the path of the Titanic! 11:17  |  Ivar 01/01/08
  35.   #23 Swiss (Dino) 11:19  |  Eugene 01/01/08
  36.   # 2 INADEQUATE COMPARISION 11:29  |  Kris 01/01/08
  37.   #29 Butros Dahu - Why did you leave Palestine? 11:32  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  38.   # 4 why don`t you call 11:34  |  Kris 01/01/08
  39.   I am Pro-Israel and Pro-Palestinian. I am for Biblical Borders 11:38  |  for Israel 01/01/08
  40.   #34 Ivar - You place too much belief 11:44  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  41.   Gotta love Dershowitz. 11:52  |  Colin Wright 01/01/08
  42.   If all the world agrees, you can be pretty sure your on the wrong 11:52  |  track 01/01/08
  43.   Avihu # 26 What you suggest, to examine the essence 11:57  |  Yoash Evron 01/01/08
  44.   RIGHT, ASK PEOPLE TO RAISE HANDS, THAT`S IT 11:59  |  indrajaya 01/01/08
  45.   to Mark Hamil #31 ``67 Borders are MOOT ` 12:03  |  Colin Wright 01/01/08
  46.   #30 Yonatan: Jews Live In The Past, Present, AND Future 12:04  |  Yishai Kohen 01/01/08
  47.   so we give up the land so all smiles 12:10  |  harzion 01/01/08
  48.   Too many Holy Texts 12:11  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  49.   #44 indrajaya, you`re evading my question (#22) 12:16  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  50.   # 35 Eugene, a "simple" answer to your question..... 12:17  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  51.   #26, Avihu, "Israel is here by right" 12:28  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 01/01/08
  52.   yonatan disavows the past 12:31  |  eliyahu 01/01/08
  53.   #46 Yishai - And if there is a peace agreement? 12:42  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  54.   Burston,jews have come a long way,is it?Not a chance,buddy,the 12:49  |  lakshmi 01/01/08
  55.   #52 eloiyahu ignores the present 12:54  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  56.   yonatan to yishai cohen 13:11  |  meir dagan 01/01/08
  57.   To Kris from Austria 13:23  |  Shoshana Thomasson 01/01/08
  58.   No middle road 13:25  |  John F K 01/01/08
  59.   THERE ARE NO 1967 BORDERS 13:25  |  victor hardman 01/01/08
  60.   Yonatan- No peace agreements with zionists 13:41  |  Phil Stein 01/01/08
  61.   #50, Swiss-Dino, you are wrong... 13:42  |  Eugene 01/01/08
  62.   Lakshmi You are funny 13:45  |  Shoshana Thomasson 01/01/08
  63.   Justice 13:52  |  Jack Disraeli 01/01/08
  64.   # 49, YONATAN 13:53  |  indrajaya 01/01/08
  65.   #54 lakshmi - You too are evading my question (#22) 13:58  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  66.   #56 meir dagan - On your reading comprehension 14:06  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  67.   #60 Phil Stein - if you are really who you say you are 14:10  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  68.   #64 lakshmi - Again you are evading the question 14:13  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  69.   I meant indrajaya, not lakshmi 14:19  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  70.   Assumptions... 14:22  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 01/01/08
  71.   land without peace 14:37  |  Hilda 01/01/08
  72.   COME ON Bradley! ...Dershowitz Has NO Credibility & 100 People?! 14:46  |  Proud Pal Defender 01/01/08
  73.   # 61 Eugene "Learning from history" 14:47  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  74.   Dino: a few square miles of desert 14:58  |  Josh Korn 01/01/08
  75.   # 69, YONATAN 15:14  |  indrajaya 01/01/08
  76.   # 74 Josh Korn 15:19  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  77.   #1 albert paul ortiz 15:21  |  Paul Wood 01/01/08
  78.   It seems to me 15:26  |  Paul Wood 01/01/08
  79.   `67 Borders:Just another code word for Israel`s self-annihilation 15:30  |  G. Marcus 01/01/08
  80.   #73 Swiss (Dino) 15:32  |  Eugene 01/01/08
  81.   Entire conflict explained in less than 20 lines 15:32  |  G. Marcus 01/01/08
  82.   67 Borders as living in Past or ReWriting HISstory 15:38  |  B 01/01/08
  83.   Progressive left wingers are hidden racists 15:48  |  Shoshana Thomasson 01/01/08
  84.   The Influence of the Left 15:52  |  Barry 01/01/08
  85.   #75 indrajaya 15:53  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  86.   Delusional Olmert et al 15:54  |  Gary 01/01/08
  87.   #77 Paul Wood - Where God comes into the equation 16:01  |  Yonatan 01/01/08
  88.   65Yonatan,62 Shoshana Thomasson,Yonatan,the answer is yes but not 16:02  |  lakshmi 01/01/08
  89.   Living with compromise and tolerance requires some teaching.... 16:03  |  Smadar 01/01/08
  90.   Rob, two issues 16:11  |  Teresa- Maria(Tess) 01/01/08
  91.   Avihu-It`s an excuse. 16:11  |  Dorothy 01/01/08
  92.   yonatan thanks for the reading lesson 16:13  |  meir dagan 01/01/08
  93.   yonatan are you asking me if the arabs can give us peace 16:18  |  meir dagan 01/01/08
  94.   swiss dino you are a boring old fart 16:19  |  mistletoe 01/01/08
  95.   # 79the borders 16:22  |  Selles R 01/01/08
  96.   i am amazed at lakshmi 16:24  |  meir dagan 01/01/08
  97.   lakshmi "inadmissability of gaining land through war" 16:28  |  raj babbar 01/01/08
  98.   lakshmi "inadmissability of gaining land through war" 16:30  |  mumbaiwallah 01/01/08
  99.   lakshmi "land and war" 16:32  |  mumbaiwallah 01/01/08
  100.   #5 Shoshana Thomasson 16:32  |  Jimmy 01/01/08
  101.   Very good article 16:36  |  Hanna Bard 01/01/08
  102.   Thomasson 16:40  |  Jacob 01/01/08
  103.   Zion must learn that land thieft by conquest IS illegal 16:44  |  Muslim 01/01/08
  104.   #23 swiss 16:51  |  duncan 01/01/08
  105.   #26 Avihu - Great posting 16:55  |  Bo 01/01/08
  106.   #41 colin 16:55  |  duncan 01/01/08
  107.   #11 yoel 16:57  |  duncan 01/01/08
  108.   Olmert the slow learner 16:59  |  Tosefta 01/01/08
  109.   # 28 Joseph E - I concur 17:01  |  Bo 01/01/08
  110.   will the usa give north america back to the native indians? 17:02  |  yahn goodey 01/01/08
  111.   #29 Butros Dahu - There are two states already 17:03  |  Bo 01/01/08
  112.   Top ten George W. Bush`s wishes for the new year 17:03  |  Tosefta 01/01/08
  113.   11 Yoel,well said,if you go to post 54 you`ll see my take on it 17:06  |  lakshmi 01/01/08
  114.   Bo, 96, thank you very kindly for your words! 17:07  |  Avihu 01/01/08
  115.   #31 Mark Hamil - Correct 17:07  |  Bo 01/01/08
  116.   #32 Yonatan - What cost do you refer to? 17:13  |  Bo 01/01/08
  117.   you guys have 17:14  |  sam 01/01/08
  118.   How can one ignore "primitive" prophecy being fulfilled? 17:14  |  Virginia 01/01/08
  119.   Cipora, 51, thank you for your kind words. In addition, I think 17:15  |  Avihu 01/01/08
  120.   #26 avihu slow learners 17:22  |  duncan 01/01/08
  121.   TO ISRAEL`S SWORN ENEMY, COMPROMISE EQUALS WEAKNESS! 17:22  |  Ambrose 01/01/08
  122.   Top ten George W. Bush`s wishes for the new year 17:23  |  Tosefta 01/01/08
  123.   #29 butrus ignores fatah charter 17:27  |  duncan 01/01/08
  124.   # 80 Eugene 17:28  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  125.   #38 Kris - The Pals got Jordan 17:28  |  Bo 01/01/08
  126.   #75 Indaryayay 17:28  |  17 01/01/08
  127.   "`67 borders" are not "67" nor "borders". Now talk among yourself 17:31  |  Linda Richman 01/01/08
  128.   #32 yonatan cost of not ruling arabs 17:31  |  duncan 01/01/08
  129.   #38 Kris - Palestinians could convert to Judaism 17:31  |  Bo 01/01/08
  130.   # 117 Sam "if i was the arabs..." -- You are! :) 17:34  |  17 01/01/08
  131.   # 104 duncan 17:35  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  132.   Burson`s ostrich mentality 17:36  |  Boris 01/01/08
  133.   #45 Colin Wright - Just one problem 17:37  |  Bo 01/01/08
  134.   #103 muslim must learn that land theft by muslims for 1400 years 17:41  |  victor hardman 01/01/08
  135.   #40 yonatan, moody vs shuckburgh 17:43  |  duncan 01/01/08
  136.   #54 lakshmi - I beg your pardon 17:44  |  Bo 01/01/08
  137.   #22 Yonathan of Kfar Saba 17:48  |  Chris Linthwaite 01/01/08
  138.   Hi Tosefta ! 17:48  |  bill gordon 01/01/08
  139.   #60 Phil Stein - At last a true posting 17:50  |  Bo 01/01/08
  140.   #14 Tim R 17:51  |  Chris Linthwaite 01/01/08
  141.   #48 yonatan divine prophecy can be proven 17:53  |  duncan 01/01/08
  142.   #63 Jack Disraeli - What a mantra you have got there 17:54  |  Bo 01/01/08
  143.   #50 swiss 17:56  |  duncan 01/01/08
  144.   #46 Yoshai Kohen 17:56  |  Chris Linthwaite 01/01/08
  145.   What `67 Border? 17:56  |  Jeff Northridge 01/01/08
  146.   #103 Muslim 17:57  |  Yakov 01/01/08
  147.   #91 dorothy 18:01  |  duncan 01/01/08
  148.   I remeber 18:02  |  Danite 01/01/08
  149.   #79 G. Marcus - Well put 18:06  |  Bo 01/01/08
  150.   #54 lakshismi 18:07  |  duncan 01/01/08
  151.   #108 tosefta 18:14  |  duncan 01/01/08
  152.   #101 Hanna Bard - There are two states already 18:19  |  Bo 01/01/08
  153.   There is none so blind as he who wil not see 18:22  |  margaret 01/01/08
  154.   Alan Dershowitz/Pro-Palestinian is Pro-Israeli 18:22  |  Dorothy 01/01/08
  155.   #102 Jacob - Different laws for different people 18:23  |  Bo 01/01/08
  156.   Olmert`s words (Bill Gordon #133) 18:33  |  Tosefta 01/01/08
  157.   90Tess Read Dennis Ross & Clinton ob Taba 18:43  |  Rob 01/01/08
  158.   Avihu @ 26 Israel`s Right to Exist. I could not say it any 18:46  |  Tzvi 01/01/08
  159.   the devil is in the details 18:47  |  roberto 01/01/08
  160.   ISRAEL MUST WITHDRAW TO ITS 1947 BORDERS 18:47  |  Christian Crusader 01/01/08
  161.   duncan- your projection versus my projection 18:50  |  Dorothy 01/01/08
  162.   #145 Yakov 18:58  |  Christian Crusader 01/01/08
  163.   yahn g:indians are american citizens 18:59  |  karl mai 01/01/08
  164.   #134 Victorpaul Harrisman 19:02  |  Labhras 01/01/08
  165.   P.S. For all those willing to "compromise" the Word of God... 19:10  |  Virginia 01/01/08
  166.   That`s not completely true. Most likely I will not even remember 19:13  |  Virginia 01/01/08
  167.   148 Duncan,136 Bo,Duncan 242 cannot supercede 181 because the 19:14  |  lakshmi 01/01/08
  168.   #16DJStahl Nope, Palestinians aren`t Philistines. BRIEFLY PUT.. 19:15  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  169.   f Our Enemies! 19:17  |  Yechiel Palestine 01/01/08
  170.   90Tess Read Dennis Ross & Clinton re Taba. 19:18  |  Rob 01/01/08
  171.   Duncan & Bo. .contd...Britain proposed the Partition. 19:18  |  lakshmi 01/01/08
  172.   Who are the Arabs? 19:22  |  Yechiel Palestine 01/01/08
  173.   # 21 Yonatan..THIS TIME YOU DID PUT THE TRUE RECORD STRAIGHT . 19:23  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  174.   124Swiss: All Pal demands are ideological, not security based 19:25  |  Rob 01/01/08
  175.   True Kindness 19:28  |  Yechiel Palestine 01/01/08
  176.   Looking into the future and learning from the past (Duncan #151) 19:28  |  Tosefta 01/01/08
  177.   Yonatan #30 Re Yishai 19:29  |  GABE1 01/01/08
  178.   Kudos to Yonatan 19:30  |  Mark of Lewiston 01/01/08
  179.   # 32 Yonatan.re:Joseph E..SORRY,HE HAS A POINT.DON`T COMPARE HIM 19:31  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  180.   indrajera the irrelevent 19:34  |  leo 01/01/08
  181.   # 25 Yonatan..AS I READ YOUR POSTS:THEY SEEM TO FLUCTUATE DITHER. 19:37  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  182.   karl mai #158 19:42  |  Gee 01/01/08
  183.   #153 margaret - I love to read these leftist mantras 19:44  |  Bo 01/01/08
  184.   #153 margaret 19:45  |  duncan 01/01/08
  185.   Rob- I read both.... 19:47  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 01/01/08
  186.   It`s Not About Borders 19:50  |  Simcha 01/01/08
  187.   #102 YAKUB U.K ...NOW YOU HAVE VENTED YOUR SPLEEN,, 19:52  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  188.   Christian Crusader - Wrong 19:52  |  Bo 01/01/08
  189.   #163 lakshimi 19:58  |  duncan 01/01/08
  190.   # 170 Rob, if you wanna put it this way, then I would say.... 19:58  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  191.   lakshmi - Respectfully 20:05  |  Bo 01/01/08
  192.   67 borders still the realm of far left extremists. 20:07  |  Chaim 01/01/08
  193.   # 67 Yonatan re:Phil Stein..YONATAN STILL PREVARICATES 20:08  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  194.   Negotiating with ourselves again 20:16  |  Shalom Freedman 01/01/08
  195.   # 177 I agree with Mark of Lewiston with regard to Yonatan.... 20:17  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  196.   # 161 Christian Crusader (NOT GENUINE)JUST READ 20:22  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  197.   Yonatan in Kfar Saba 20:24  |  Ephraim 01/01/08
  198.   Jews must do TWO things 20:30  |  Manashe 01/01/08
  199.   #176 tosefta gloomy extrapolation p1 20:31  |  duncan 01/01/08
  200.   #176 tosefta p2 20:32  |  duncan 01/01/08
  201.   #160 christian crusader 20:36  |  leo 01/01/08
  202.   #190 swiss 20:38  |  duncan 01/01/08
  203.   # 170, by the way, Rob, there are ideological ideas..... 20:39  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  204.   Danite #148 20:42  |  GABE1 01/01/08
  205.   My dear Christian Crusader 20:45  |  leo 01/01/08
  206.   # 90 Tess..Your so-called Inheritance to the Pals,Not Applicable. 20:47  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  207.   lahksmi 20:52  |  Danite 01/01/08
  208.   karl mai-tombstone-#163 indians are usa citizens? 20:54  |  yahn goodey 01/01/08
  209.   Yonatan re Yishai 20:55  |  Danite 01/01/08
  210.   Dorothy perception and projection 20:55  |  GABE1 01/01/08
  211.   #161 dorothy p2 20:56  |  duncan 01/01/08
  212.   Mark Of Lewiston 20:56  |  Danite 01/01/08
  213.   # 125 so you are asking Pals to give up 20:57  |  Kris 01/01/08
  214.   Swiss please 20:59  |  Danite 01/01/08
  215.   67 is extreme left not Middle of the Road 21:01  |  ralphsrant1 01/01/08
  216.   #90 Tess.Marrying into the Tribe Gives You No Rights((Second Try) 21:02  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  217.   Kathy 21:03  |  GABE1 01/01/08
  218.   # 131 DINO - Happy Nyear 21:03  |  17 01/01/08
  219.   # 129 about jewish conversions 21:06  |  Kris 01/01/08
  220.   # 169 agree f them all, the bast... 21:09  |  Hoshihosh Mordechai 01/01/08
  221.   Chris Linthwaite #140 My Point Exactly.. 21:13  |  Tim R 01/01/08
  222.   # 186 Simcha..It`s Not About Borders 21:13  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  223.   Gabe 1 21:22  |  Danite 01/01/08
  224.   190Swiss Wrong. A non Jewidh state will not be secure for Jews 21:36  |  Rob 01/01/08
  225.   Kathy 21:36  |  Jacob 01/01/08
  226.   Danite re: Swiss Dino 21:37  |  CHGODMK 01/01/08
  227.   #203 swiss on legitimate claims 21:39  |  duncan 01/01/08
  228.   # 216 please say how one living in NYC 21:40  |  Kris 01/01/08
  229.   Kathy- Happy New Year! 21:41  |  Teresa- Maria (Tess) 01/01/08
  230.   Christian Crusdaer and stolen land 21:45  |  dovvod 01/01/08
  231.   # 218 17 "Mother-milk and Sucker-milk" 21:47  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  232.   Swiss (Dino) #190 Scandinavia 21:47  |  Tim R 01/01/08
  233.   203Dino Again wrong Symmetry. Most Israeli are for 2 States 21:50  |  Rob 01/01/08
  234.   #219 chris 21:51  |  duncan 01/01/08
  235.   #131 swiss on consequences 21:54  |  duncan 01/01/08
  236.   # 178 Mark of Lewiston Yonatan.WRONG.He would Fight totheDeath .. 21:54  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  237.   #90 (tess) 21:56  |  duncan 01/01/08
  238.   Olmert and Rice, Russia`s Gems 21:57  |  Gary 01/01/08
  239.   Bleeding farts 21:57  |  raelly riley 01/01/08
  240.   # 214 Danite 21:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  241.   lakshmi and the dead horse around your neck 22:01  |  Lynn 01/01/08
  242.   #222 Kathy the "centrist" (she claims) 22:02  |  Labhras 01/01/08
  243.   #222 Kathy the "centrist" (she claims) 22:02  |  Labhras 01/01/08
  244.   Arabs prefer nothing to compromise 22:03  |  peter 01/01/08
  245.   Both sides are not "Maximalistic" 22:05  |  David Schwartz 01/01/08
  246.   # 221 Tim R..A well Written post to C.Linthwaite.Nice to see you 22:05  |  Kathy 01/01/08
  247.   185Tess With that approach there will never be peace 22:08  |  Rob 01/01/08
  248.   # 202 duncan 22:10  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  249.   THERE WILL NEVER BE A "PALESTINIAN" STATE! 22:10  |  WARRIOR 01/01/08
  250.   Peace within reach.Key:Israel 22:18  |  sal-usa 01/01/08
  251.   To Lakshmi (1) 22:22  |  Shoshana Thomasson 01/01/08
  252.   # 214 Danite, little correction 22:27  |  Swiss (Dino) 01/01/08
  253.   To Lakshmi (2) 22:27  |  Shoshana Thomasson 01/01/08
  254.   207 Danite,Duncan & Bo,Danite let`s hope that the grisly scenario 22:28  |  lakshmi 01/01/08
  255.   either way, theres one more war 22:36  |  Schtarker Yid 01/01/08
  256.   Danite 23:04  |  Mark of Lewiston 01/01/08
  257.   TEXAS IS OCCUPIED MEXICAN TERRITORY 23:07  |  zionist forever 01/01/08
  258.   TEXAS IS OCCUPIED MEXICAN TERRITORY 23:07  |  zionist forever 01/01/08
  259.   #164 labarse of arabia and more comic confusion 23:14  |  victor hardman 01/01/08
  260.   yahn g i agree with everything you say 23:19  |  karl maierson 01/01/08
  261.   Returning land....changing borders 23:27  |  Connie 01/01/08
  262.   Kathy, a Happy New Year to you too. 23:32  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 01/01/08
  263.   Christian Crusader 23:33  |  Connie 01/01/08
  264.   on anti semetism 23:35  |  Albert Einstein 01/01/08
  265.   Arabs prefer choking to compromise 23:41  |  peter 01/01/08
  266.   #207 Lakshmi Caradon,s Words. 23:48  |  Labhras 01/01/08
  267.   To Jimmy No. 3 23:50  |  Shoshana Thomasson 01/01/08
  268.   #235 Victorpaul Harrisman 23:53  |  Labhras 01/01/08
  269.   #154, Dorothy, "what if..." 23:55  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 01/01/08
  270.   203Dino Again wrong Symmetry Most Israeli are for 2 States.2ndTry 23:55  |  Rob 01/01/08
  271.   re #192 `67 borders still the realm of far left extremists.` 23:55  |  Colin Wright 01/01/08
  272.   #161, Dorothy,"I take it as a mask meant to scare" 23:59  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 01/01/08
  273.   re #234 `TEXAS IS OCCUPIED...` 00:02  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  274.   re #194 `Negotiating with ourselves again` 00:14  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  275.   # 237 Mark of Lewiston..re:Yonatan and your Presumed Kudos.I`ll 00:15  |  Kathy 02/01/08
  276.   4 questions - and it aint even Pesach 00:16  |  natan 02/01/08
  277.   to `#41 duncan` 00:19  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  278.   185Tess With that approach there will never be peace. 2nd Try 00:20  |  Rob 02/01/08
  279.   # 227 Lynn..lakshmi and the dead horse around your neck AND WILL 00:23  |  Kathy 02/01/08
  280.   TO GABI 1 KATHY,PETER SM, HARDMAN 00:25  |  The Teacher/Instruct 02/01/08
  281.   And this is the exact reason. . . 00:28  |  Yosef ben Shalom 02/01/08
  282.   To Bo #133 00:29  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  283.   # 258 Connie..Returning land....changing borders 00:34  |  Kathy 02/01/08
  284.   my heritage for Kathy... 00:37  |  Teresa- Maria (Tess) 02/01/08
  285.   190Swiss Wrong. A non-Jewish Israel will not be secure. 2nd Try 00:38  |  Rob 02/01/08
  286.   Kath in re to Tess 00:40  |  Lynn 02/01/08
  287.   # 223 Rob, you missed the point............. 00:42  |  Swiss (Dino) 02/01/08
  288.   To Lakshmi 207 00:42  |  Shoshana Thomasson 02/01/08
  289.   re Albert Einstein #261 00:43  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  290.   Bo #183 00:45  |  margaret 02/01/08
  291.   Kath ..a Blessed and Happy New Year to you 00:46  |  Lynn 02/01/08
  292.   # 229 Tim R 00:49  |  Swiss (Dino) 02/01/08
  293.   248,250 Shosannah Thomasson,the first intelligent response to my 00:49  |  lakshmi 02/01/08
  294.   Duncan #184 00:50  |  margaret 02/01/08
  295.   207Labhras, Lakshmi and Lord Caradon re 242. 01:00  |  Rob 02/01/08
  296.   re Connie #260 01:03  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  297.   # 272 The Teacer/Instruct...HEY WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?? 01:06  |  Kathy 02/01/08
  298.   # 232 duncan "The truth is sometimes brutal...." 01:12  |  Swiss (Dino) 02/01/08
  299.   re #273 Yosef `and this is the exact reason.` 01:13  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  300.   #187, more abuse of Yakub UK from that darling "Kathy" 01:22  |  Silvienne 02/01/08
  301.   Dear "Kathy" to Pal Tess...#90 01:25  |  Silvienne 02/01/08
  302.   #272, The Teacher/Instruct... 01:29  |  Silvienne 02/01/08
  303.   #269 colin seems to be unaware of us chief of staff findings 01:35  |  duncan 02/01/08
  304.   #274-Correct.. Here is Part II 01:49  |  Barry 02/01/08
  305.   #245 swiss 01:50  |  duncan 02/01/08
  306.   Lakshmi_Let Go Of 181. It`s Dead And Gone 01:52  |  Eli 02/01/08
  307.   # 228 DINO 01:52  |  17 02/01/08
  308.   #263 labrhas, lakshimi caradon p1 02:06  |  duncan 02/01/08
  309.   #245 lakshimi labrhas brown accepts 242 as abolishing `67 lines 02:10  |  duncan 02/01/08
  310.   273 Yosef, I agree 100% regarding Israels borders set by Torah. 02:13  |  However, 02/01/08
  311.   #266 colin, the credit for yassin goes to Israel 02:22  |  duncan 02/01/08
  312.   #5 Shoshana 02:30  |  Ben Othman 02/01/08
  313.   Israel`s Real Borders 02:32  |  Gary 02/01/08
  314.   Labhras # 263 Don`t Put Words In My Mouth 02:33  |  Jeff Northridge 02/01/08
  315.   No-one meant 67 to be border 03:02  |  Free Gilad Shalit 02/01/08
  316.   67 never meant to be border 2 03:05  |  Free Gilad Shalit 02/01/08
  317.   to #281 duncan `#266 Colin...` 03:11  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  318.   To #259 If Telling The Truth is Ranting,Please Learn Reality 03:16  |  Kathy 02/01/08
  319.   To `However` #283 03:19  |  Colin Wright 02/01/08
  320.   Kathy you are ignorant.... 03:32  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 02/01/08
  321.   Lynn, thank you... 03:34  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 02/01/08
  322.   #296, Dino 03:46  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 02/01/08
  323.   # 285 Lynn ..Sorry Here is when You And I Part Company.Untruth! 03:50  |  Kathy 02/01/08
  324.   Yonatan - God, humans, and the Equation 04:09  |  Mark Lincoln 02/01/08
  325.   To no 1 04:21  |  Abe 02/01/08
  326.   Colin Wright- Re Christ`s Sayings 04:28  |  Martin Luther 02/01/08
  327.   What `67? Israel`s eastern border should be the Euphrates ! 04:30  |  Toronto`s Finest 02/01/08
  328.   Swiss....US suckers? 04:48  |  Lynn 02/01/08
  329.   Ba Humbug 04:58  |  Dr David I. Gross 02/01/08
  330.   Colin, please, name the passage you refer to 05:21  |  However, 02/01/08
  331.   236 & 275 Kathy - Kudos to You, Too 05:23  |  Mark of Lewiston 02/01/08
  332.   # 19 Jonatan 05:26  |  Ben Othman 02/01/08
  333.   # 285 Lynn DONT`S PONTIFICATE FROM AFAR.(THIRD TRY). 05:27  |  Kathy 02/01/08
  334.   # 20 we keep moving 05:50  |  Ben Othman 02/01/08
  335.   # 22 Yonatan 06:01  |  Ben Othman 02/01/08
  336.   #309 Respectfully, you are missing the point 06:31  |  Yosef ben Shalom 02/01/08
  337.   Cipora #272 06:42  |  Danite 02/01/08
  338.   Lahksmi 06:46  |  Danite 02/01/08
  339.   Lakshmi_Since You Are on A Legalese Drive 07:08  |  Eli 02/01/08
  340.   To 1947 Border Lovers 07:22  |  Eli Wapniarski 02/01/08
  341.   The Maximalists And The Auschwitz Borders 07:36  |  Joseph E . post 1 02/01/08
  342.   The Maximalists And The Auschwitz Borders 07:37  |  Joseph E . post 2 02/01/08
  343.   #280 your wishes are reciprocated 08:24  |  victor hardman 02/01/08
  344.   #268 labarse of arabia is going to tell all the readers 08:27  |  victor hardman 02/01/08
  345.   A ceasefire line is not a border 08:28  |  Josh 02/01/08
  346.   Re #168 Philistines weren`t Greeks, either 08:30  |  DJStahl 02/01/08
  347.   Peace 08:45  |  Yaakov Watkins 02/01/08
  348.   Pals still too angry for any meaningful change 08:53  |  Jason 02/01/08
  349.   Lesson from no "Jewish borders" in British Palestine 09:21  |  avigdor 02/01/08
  350.   # 306 17, I`m (almost) everyday saying something "pleasent"... 09:27  |  Swiss (Dino) 02/01/08
  351.   Silvienne and your delusions #psychiatric nurse`s aid 09:53  |  Iz Ray Leigh 02/01/08
  352.   Ben Othman 09:59  |  Iz Ray Leigh 02/01/08
  353.   # 321 Lynn (2nd try) 10:06  |  Swiss (Dino) 02/01/08
  354.