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Jerusalem above all? Not at all
By Ruth Meisels
Tags: commandments, Jerusalem 

Hanukkah and the Annapolis conference apparently caused some hysteria among the self-appointed "guardians" of Jerusalem. In recent weeks it has been almost impossible to tune in to any of the stations of Israel Radio without hearing one of two commercials, both of which seek to strengthen the ties between the (Jewish) people living in Zion and their capital city.

In one ad, the Jewish masses are called upon to visit the Temple Mount. "The days of Hanukkah, during which the Temple was purified by the Maccabees! What are you, Jerusalem: the city of God or an ordinary city? And where is your heart: at Givat Ram and the Kirya, or at Mount Moriah?" the announcer, Avshalom Kor, asks rhetorically, in the voice that is so closely identified with the annual Bible quizzes and the nationalistic language spots that he broadcasts daily on Army Radio. Afterward, he informs listeners that "the Temple Mount is open to Jews under police protection" every day, and urges them to come and visit, "after immersion in a mikveh [ritual bath], and not wearing leather shoes."

The religious audience of this preaching has no need for such instructions, but if they are already preaching religious behavior to secular listeners, it would have been fair to inform them as well that most contemporary rabbis - including the most important ones on the religious right - continue to forbid Jews to ascend the Temple Mount altogether. Even "after immersion in a mikveh, and not wearing leather shoes."
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But while this commercial arouses fears of a security risk, if masses of Jews decide suddenly to answer the call and try to go up to the Temple Mount, the second commercial, part of a new campaign for Jerusalem headed by former minister Natan Sharansky and Yehiel Leiter, former head of Benjamin Netanyahu's bureau, arouses a different kind of unease. "Every nation has a capital that is theirs alone. The French have Paris, the British have London, and we have - a unified and liberated Jerusalem," thunders the announcer several times an hour, continuing: "Above all places - Jerusalem. Above any controversy - Jerusalem. Above all the generations - Jerusalem. Now is the time to come and swear allegiance to Jerusalem. Now is the time to tie a gold ribbon to identify with Jerusalem. Because above all - Jerusalem."

It's worth examining the claim on which this new campaign is based. Above all, Jerusalem? Not at all, certainly not from a religious point of view.

Judaism praises the sanctity of life, and accordingly the halakha instructs us that only three commandments are "yehareg uval ya'avor" - that is, laws for which a person must give up his life before violating them: the prohibitions on shedding of blood, idol worship and forbidden sexual relations. Control over Jerusalem is not included in these commandments. Nor is Jerusalem above Shabbat observance, the laws of kashrut, or commandments that instruct us to care for orphans and widows. In fact, there is no connection in Jewish tradition between sovereignty and sanctity; certainly there is no commandment mandating Jewish political sovereignty in Jerusalem.

Yes, Jerusalem is a symbol. According to tradition, it was conquered by King David, who turned it into his capital. His son Solomon built the Temple there, to which Jews made a pilgrimage three times a year. Yes, for 2,000 years Jews longed for Jerusalem and mentioned it in their prayers, but it was as much a symbol as a concrete place.

Risking Jewish lives over Jerusalem is far from being "above any controversy," in the words of the commercial - certainly not from a religious point of view. It is no coincidence that the leaders of the National Religious Party at the time, headed by minister Moshe Haim Shapira, were among the prominent opponents of the Six-Day War, and once it started, of the Israel Defense Forces entering East Jerusalem even in the midst of the fighting. The sanctity of Jerusalem in general, and of the Temple Mount in particular, does not depend on who is sovereign in the city.

And we haven't even said a word here about undermining the rights of another nation, members of another faith, who also hold Jerusalem and the Temple Mount sacred. Jerusalem above all? Not at all.

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  2.   A one way street 10:56  |  Sherlock Holmes 14/12/07
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  4.   Selective quotes 11:02  |  Joseph 14/12/07
  5.   Are we suicidal? 11:07  |  Sherlock Holmes 14/12/07
  6.   Iran and Israel: 2 countries, 1 problem with ideology..... 11:08  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/12/07
  7.   Modern Israel is NOT the restitution of Tanach covenants 11:14  |  Ivar 14/12/07
  8.   Meisels Obviously Is Ignorant Of Judaism 11:14  |  Yishai Kohen 14/12/07
  9.   Israeli Left 11:21  |  Ben Azai 14/12/07
  10.   Ruth:your ignorance is abysmal 11:24  |  trumpeldor 14/12/07
  11.   Absolute Rubbish 11:25  |  Ben Israel 14/12/07
  12.   Inspiration 11:28  |  Yossi 14/12/07
  13.   SO NOW I SHOULD LEARN JUDAISM FROM HAARETZ? 11:30  |  A Jew 14/12/07
  14.   Is This Girl Jewish? She Sounds like a Palestinian. 11:32  |  J 14/12/07
  15.   A unique capital for two nations 11:34  |  Esther 14/12/07
  16.   No commandment prior to 1967 11:38  |  Johnny Weintraub 14/12/07
  17.   They Will Be Out to Lynch Ruth Meisels 11:44  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/12/07
  18.   Swiss (Dino)...as usual, ignorance is bliss 11:46  |  Ofer Maimon 14/12/07
  19.   And on Pikuach Nefesh... 11:49  |  Ofer Maimon 14/12/07
  20.   Ben Azai Regrets What He Left in Baghdad 11:51  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/12/07
  21.   Yaakov Sullivan...2 questions for you.. 11:57  |  Ofer Maimon 14/12/07
  22.   Jerusalrem in `67 11:59  |  Avi Yerushalmi 14/12/07
  23.   Ben Azai`s fanciful revision of history 12:04  |  Ivar 14/12/07
  24.   First I Rationalized My City`s Loss, And Then... 12:05  |  dyinglikeflies 14/12/07
  25.   Isaiah 12:09  |  Joe 14/12/07
  26.   Yes of course I celebrated Hannukah 12:23  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/12/07
  27.   # 18 Ofer Maimon 12:34  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/12/07
  28.   Re Ya`akov Sullivan #17 12:41  |  Esther 14/12/07
  29.   Re: 14. Was Abraham Jewish Mr. J? 12:46  |  Sam 14/12/07
  30.   # 7 national self-determination 13:15  |  Joseph 14/12/07
  31.   Final territorial demand? 13:21  |  Avi 14/12/07
  32.   Ruth Meisels, would you... 13:23  |  Motic 14/12/07
  33.   If I Forget Thee, O Ruth, Let My Right Hand ... 13:25  |  Lavi 14/12/07
  34.   No commandment for muslims in Jerusalem either! 13:25  |  Petra 14/12/07
  35.   # 7 Then prove it and let Israel dig! 13:28  |  Petra 14/12/07
  36.   #23 Fanciful history 13:33  |  Ben Azai 14/12/07
  37.   Jews pray 3x daily about returning to Jerusalem 13:37  |  Moshe 14/12/07
  38.   What do East Jerusalem Arabs have to say? 13:37  |  Sherlock Holmes 14/12/07
  39.   COMMANDMENT to settle all of Israel is "yehareg v`al yaavor"--MC 13:40  |  M 14/12/07
  40.   Ivar # 7 The Location Of The Second Temple 13:54  |  Jeff Northridge 14/12/07
  41.   Jewish political sovereignty in Jerusalem on of 613 commandments 14:00  |  Nathan 14/12/07
  42.   It never ceases to amaze me 14:13  |  T A Sheppard 14/12/07
  43.   Yaakob #17 14:22  |  Avi Yerushalmi 14/12/07
  44.   Swiss..."remove the trouble makers"? 14:24  |  Lynn 14/12/07
  45.   Ms. Meisels 14:25  |  Avi Yerushalmi 14/12/07
  46.   Yihareg val yavor 14:35  |  avi 14/12/07
  47.   Very well spoken Yossi @ 12, I`d just like to add 14:36  |  Virginia 14/12/07
  48.   Thanks, Jeff, for looking at my argument 14:37  |  Ivar 14/12/07
  49.   Jerusalem 14:41  |  Ralph 14/12/07
  50.   6Swiss Dino,7 Ivar,and zionists,swiss dino well said! Ivar,good 14:46  |  lakshmi 14/12/07
  51.   Swiss Dino 14:49  |  Ralph 14/12/07
  52.   May Jerusalem be a City of Praise to our God. 14:51  |  Sovereignty? 14/12/07
  53.   Undermining Jerusalem 15:10  |  Brod 14/12/07
  54.   # 44 Lynn, it`s about time to make up your mind...... 15:17  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/12/07
  55.   Esther #15 15:28  |  GABE1 14/12/07
  56.   Jerusalem above all or not at all ? malachi says above all 15:35  |  yahn goodey 14/12/07
  57.   #6 Swiss (Dinosaur) 15:42  |  Axel 14/12/07
  58.   "For to us a child is born, 15:55  |  Virginia 14/12/07
  59.   And That`s How Meisels Rejoyce at a West Bank Disengagement 15:56  |  Joseph E . 14/12/07
  60.   ralphsrant1 15:59  |  Ralph Levy 14/12/07
  61.   Non sense 16:02  |  Taieb 14/12/07
  62.   Meisels, stop trying to pervert Judaism to fit your leftist 16:08  |  Chaim 14/12/07
  63.   Ignorant Rubbish of enlightened logic of erev rav? 16:16  |  B 14/12/07
  64.   # 51 Ralph 16:33  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/12/07
  65.   To Yaakov 16:39  |  PE Haberman 14/12/07
  66.   # 57 Axel (II) ?? 16:41  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/12/07
  67.   Where did Haaretz dig this "gem" up? She sounds like Sullivans gf 16:44  |  Smarter then Ruth 14/12/07
  68.   Swiss (Dino) 17:01  |  Yaron 14/12/07
  69.   Ruth Meisel is actually making me nausious 17:05  |  SHIMON 14/12/07
  70.   u think giving away jerusalem brings peace?! Tell that to sderot! 17:06  |  SHIMON 14/12/07
  71.   perverting of judaism in its highest form-no suprise from haaretz 17:08  |  SHIMON 14/12/07
  72.   Ruth and Yaakov sullivan do nothing but encourage terrorism 17:11  |  SHIMON 14/12/07
  73.   What, Yaakov, should we do when rockets fire in western jerusalem 17:15  |  SHIMON 14/12/07
  74.   Meisel The Brain Surgeon 17:40  |  Barry 14/12/07
  75.   ruth contradicts herself in the last 3 lines 17:47  |  victor hardman 14/12/07
  76.   Meisels and CAMERA 17:48  |  Elvis Baldwell 14/12/07
  77.   RELIGIOUS MANIACS 17:58  |  gearoid 14/12/07
  78.   Remarkably empty article - 18:04  |  17 14/12/07
  79.   # 50 lakshmi and Ballistic attended the same "history" course 18:07  |  17 14/12/07
  80.   58Virginia,your quote from Handel`s Messiah,is pretty and I 18:08  |  lakshmi 14/12/07
  81.   Jerusalem above all 18:31  |  david gershon 14/12/07
  82.   re article 18:35  |  eshel spiro 14/12/07
  83.   Abandoning Jerusalem 18:46  |  Pilly 14/12/07
  84.   MECCA 18:49  |  Veni Vidi 14/12/07
  85.   # 54 Swiss...second attempt 18:56  |  Lynn 14/12/07
  86.   Dont get Holed 18:59  |  Betis 14/12/07
  87.   Petra # 34 - ignoramus 19:20  |  David 14/12/07
  88.   Above all places - Jerusalem...very 1930s Germany 19:29  |  Kung Fu Fighter 14/12/07
  89.   Esther #15- You are beyond wise 19:31  |  Mexican 14/12/07
  90.   #77 gearoid Ireland 19:39  |  ralphsrant1 14/12/07
  91.   # 68 Yaron Objection !!! 19:42  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/12/07
  92.   Blending "Jerusalem popular myth" (Herzl) into Zionist project 19:44  |  zmogus 14/12/07
  93.   Iakshmi # 50 Where Did You Get That From? 19:49  |  Jeff Northridge 14/12/07
  94.   # 85 Lynn, thanks very much for (involuntary) making my point.... 19:52  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/12/07
  95.   The scarecrow of Kassams sent from East Jerusalem 20:20  |  zmogus 14/12/07
  96.   is there a commandment not to be a clown? 20:37  |  felix 14/12/07
  97.   no commandment to honor privacy, democracy, 20:38  |  JJ 14/12/07
  98.   to lakshmi 20:52  |  JJ 14/12/07
  99.   swiss donkey braying while seeing stars 20:52  |  peter 14/12/07
  100.   Really, really, really, really... 20:58  |  Webster 14/12/07
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  102.   #93 Jeff Northridge 20:59  |  Boycott 14/12/07
  103.   Jerusalem syndrome 21:04  |  Esther 14/12/07
  104.   The arrogant "Yaakov" sullivan 21:12  |  Danite 14/12/07
  105.   Swiss Dino 21:14  |  Danite 14/12/07
  106.   Jerusalem 21:16  |  Danite 14/12/07
  107.   Why people still question status of Jerusalem? 21:36  |  Gene 14/12/07
  108.   Mistaken assumption 21:41  |  Scharker Yid 14/12/07
  109.   What a waste of Orthodox talent 21:53  |  Tosefta 14/12/07
  110.   # 38 Sherlock 21:53  |  Lynn 14/12/07
  111.   # 66 Swiss no whitewashing that one 21:56  |  Lynn 14/12/07
  112.   # 94 Swiss...who, but you, is keeping score? 22:08  |  Lynn 14/12/07
  113.   to Lakshmi 2 22:11  |  JJ 14/12/07
  114.   # 91 Swiss try telling that to Denmark 22:12  |  Lynn 14/12/07
  115.   united Jerusalem? Two State Solution 22:18  |  confused 14/12/07
  116.   Esther #97 22:23  |  GABE1 14/12/07
  117.   Ruth dear...there are the 10 Commandments 22:26  |  Marlene N. 14/12/07
  118.   The Arrogance of "Yaakov" (2nd try) 22:29  |  Danite 14/12/07
  119.   Da NITE #99 22:29  |  Gabe1 14/12/07
  120.   No commandment against stupid opinions, either 22:32  |  Steve 14/12/07
  121.   Capitol of the Jewish State? 22:34  |  confused 14/12/07
  122.   Esther #97-You are wise. 22:36  |  Mexican Sister 14/12/07
  123.   # 98 Danite 22:47  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/12/07
  124.   Re #99 23:13  |  Esther 14/12/07
  125.   No idolatry, eh? 23:16  |  Maureen Ann 14/12/07
  126.   Two other faiths, actually. 23:30  |  Colin Wright 14/12/07
  127.   Just to pursue one of my pet ideas. 23:37  |  Colin Wright 14/12/07
  128.   Danite # 99 Binationality = Disfunctionality 23:37  |  Jeff Northridge 14/12/07
  129.   Yaakov Sullivan, so utterly pathetic!! 23:40  |  Jake 14/12/07
  130.   why not? 23:41  |  Harlan Hoffman 14/12/07
  131.   zmogus 23:45  |  Jake 14/12/07
  132.   Ruth Meisels 23:47  |  Curious 14/12/07
  133.   Lakshmi, Jeff Northridge is right and you are wrong 23:54  |  Jake 14/12/07
  134.   MENTALITY 23:58  |  The Teacher/Instruct 14/12/07
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  136.   Meisel supports anti semitism 00:17  |  GABE1 15/12/07
  137.   DA Nite #99 00:20  |  GABE1 15/12/07
  138.   The World Never Gave Occupied Jerusalem to Israel - 00:29  |  Fred Farkle 15/12/07
  139.   #109, Jake 00:35  |  zmogus 15/12/07
  140.   Iakshmi # 95 & Boycott # 96 The Point Is... 00:44  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  141.   # 94 Swiss...who, but you, is keeping score? 00:47  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  142.   What??? 00:50  |  leo 15/12/07
  143.   # 111 Colin Wright..after sixty years have passed 00:51  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  144.   "IF I FORGET THEE, O JERUSALEM" 00:51  |  Jake 15/12/07
  145.   swiss donkey braying in the road 00:53  |  peter 15/12/07
  146.   confused in Chicago is confused 01:04  |  peter 15/12/07
  147.   Marlene dear...there are the 10 Commandments 01:07  |  peter 15/12/07
  148.   124 Jake,you have said it:"scholars disagree on!" 01:09  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  149.   Was 1967 that long ago? 01:14  |  Drew 15/12/07
  150.   WHY DO ISLAM AND NATIONS COVET JERUSALAM AND ERETZ YISRAEL ?? 01:14  |  Bill 15/12/07
  151.   Jeff AND Jake wrong Lakshmi is RIGHT 01:17  |  Palestinian 15/12/07
  152.   104 JJ,unfortunately for your argument,the `jewish` presence 01:18  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  153.   # 102 / # 103 / # 105 Lynn, take it like a (wo)man...... 01:30  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  154.   Colin Wright & Fred Farkle,quite right and the idea of the idea 01:32  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  155.   Sullivan 01:34  |  Miriam 15/12/07
  156.   YOU CYNICAL ....NEARLY CALLED YOU SOMETHING AWFUL.. 01:40  |  HAPPY UP HERE 15/12/07
  157.   Sullivan 01:48  |  Singer 15/12/07
  158.   Jerusalem is Jewish holy city all Jews required to make pilgrimag 01:49  |  David 15/12/07
  159.   # 74 Barry...WHY BOTHER TALKING TO A BRAINLESS WONDER?? 01:58  |  HAPPY UP HERE 15/12/07
  160.   No commandment? 02:22  |  Frank 15/12/07
  161.   Fred Farkle # 129 Useless UNGARs 02:37  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  162.   #144 Swiss ...behaving relatively well due to 02:55  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  163.   Maan News, 450 Hamas officials ask for asylum 03:04  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  164.   #99 - danite - Let the Arabs have it! 03:12  |  yitz 15/12/07
  165.   Meanwhile, in the Real World 03:22  |  Mark Lincoln 15/12/07
  166.   Palestinian # 142 Prove It! 03:24  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  167.   Meisel and Hass 03:30  |  Connie 15/12/07
  168.   #118 - Colin - Israel is dysfunctional 03:32  |  yitz 15/12/07
  169.   No script says Muslims should either 03:41  |  Steven A. 15/12/07
  170.   #133 Jake and evidence of ancestry (re Lakshmi) 03:51  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  171.   Gabe 1 "The dummy speaks" 03:52  |  Danite 15/12/07
  172.   Move Haaretz to Gaza, since they`re against Jews and Israel 03:56  |  Steve Randolph 15/12/07
  173.   Reasonable Swiss #6 on Israel and Iran 04:06  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  174.   David # 158 Rectifying The Mistake 04:16  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  175.   151Palestinian&Howdy Jeff N.,Palestinian beatifully put! That is 04:17  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  176.   How to deal with a blockhead (Jeff Northridge #161; re F. Farkle) 04:21  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  177.   161Howdy Jeff Northridge,wrong! 04:26  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  178.   #165 - Mark Loncoln`s real world 04:30  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  179.   163 Lynn.,glad you are reading Maan News! 04:32  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  180.   yitz 04:39  |  Danite 15/12/07
  181.   Jews were there first 04:40  |  Jeanne 15/12/07
  182.   Jeff Hello 04:41  |  Danite 15/12/07
  183.   Tosefta - the cruel reality 04:43  |  Mark Lincoln 15/12/07
  184.   Swiss 04:44  |  Danite 15/12/07
  185.   hi Ruth. 22 arab countries with pals holds Mecca, Medina sacred, 04:45  |  mary for jews 15/12/07
  186.   #173 - Tosephta 04:49  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  187.   fight back! 04:56  |  Jeanne 15/12/07
  188.   Yaakov, think again! 05:11  |  Jeanne 15/12/07
  189.   what about jews who converted 05:12  |  jew who converted 15/12/07
  190.   #186 Yitz needs a sharper shpitz 05:48  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  191.   #174 - Danite & East Jerusalem Arabs 05:53  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  192.   Meisels reminds us to keep in perspective the status of Jerusalem 05:53  |  Smadar 15/12/07
  193.   Yaakove Sullivan # 20_ You Know That Is Not True 05:55  |  Eli 15/12/07
  194.   #175 - Lakshmi - Palestinians are open! 06:07  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  195.   189, Coverted Jew 06:19  |  Billy 15/12/07
  196.   Yitz 06:43  |  Danite 15/12/07
  197.   Yitz 06:43  |  Danite 15/12/07
  198.   #190-Tosefta is mistaken 06:53  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  199.   Palestinian, #151, in that case I am a Netophite 06:58  |  Jake 15/12/07
  200.   Ruth Meisels , you may yearn for Jews of yesterday... 07:00  |  KJJ 15/12/07
  201.   in Ruth`s heart, G-D is not above all, thus not at all.. 1 07:01  |  mary for jews 15/12/07
  202.   Tosefta, Lincoln, others-your "DNA proof" nonsense is killin` me! 07:08  |  Dr. L. Brnd 15/12/07
  203.   MEISELS 07:27  |  JOJO 15/12/07
  204.   arabs ...go to mecca and medina 07:32  |  real vision 15/12/07
  205.   # 162 Lynn 07:43  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  206.   # 173 Tosefta 07:48  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  207.   # 184 Danite ?????????? 07:58  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  208.   "in that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem.. 08:22  |  mary for jews 15/12/07
  209.   #138 farkle in historical confusion again 08:34  |  victor hardman 15/12/07
  210.   Jerusalem belongs to God 09:02  |  Elias Khoury 15/12/07
  211.   Danite #106, well said 09:07  |  Palestinian Prince 15/12/07
  212.   # 207 DINO 09:07  |  17 15/12/07
  213.   #197-Danite & Legal Legitimacy 09:12  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  214.   makes good sense 09:40  |  mike 15/12/07
  215.   #213, Yitz 09:41  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/12/07
  216.   Dino 09:45  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/12/07
  217.   # 80 lakshmi - I thought Handel wrote music 09:51  |  17 15/12/07
  218.   Jerusalem 10:00  |  Dav 15/12/07
  219.   # 212 17 "Lesson 1" 10:07  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  220.   Finally, an admission of conquest 10:22  |  Nico de Lange 15/12/07
  221.   Lost her way 10:57  |  Andrew C 15/12/07
  222.   the arabist apologist begins to bray 11:25  |  peter 15/12/07
  223.   # 216 Cipora Julianna Kohn 11:29  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  224.   Jerusalem 11:37  |  RALPH 15/12/07
  225.   #217 & 80, Handel`s Messiah is a beautiful work of music whose 11:37  |  Virginia 15/12/07
  226.   # 216 by the way, Cipora....... 11:46  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  227.   # 179 lakshmi Hamas would deny the earth is round 11:47  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  228.   17 is Dino a rightwinger? for Switzerland he is 11:47  |  Jasmine Murphy 15/12/07
  229.   Re Yitz #213 11:50  |  Esther 15/12/07
  230.   3 205 swiss ...always reading something else into a post 11:59  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  231.   # 220 Nico of Capetown 12:03  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  232.   Swiss...... on good behavior 12:06  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  233.   For Elias Khoury #210 12:18  |  Esther 15/12/07
  234.   Sorry guys, but I`m leaving for a (short) hiking trip...... 12:49  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  235.   Iakshmi # 177 I Didn`t Say That It Did 13:12  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  236.   Jews like you... 13:19  |  Nechama 15/12/07
  237.   ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT: SETTLEMENTS 13:25  |  indrajaya 15/12/07
  238.   Funny stuff 13:33  |  Mordavig 15/12/07
  239.   # 79 17 occupy the same body too. 13:36  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  240.   Where have you been the last 5,000 years? 13:48  |  Hilda 15/12/07
  241.   Secular newspaper and Halacka? 13:51  |  Josh 15/12/07
  242.   Ivar #7: one of your 2 claims is problematic, Ivar - 14:00  |  ivo 15/12/07
  243.   Tosefta # 176 So What? 14:18  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  244.   # 87 David putz! 14:30  |  Petra 15/12/07
  245.   #158 David Amen!!!! 14:33  |  Petra 15/12/07
  246.   This Ruth Meisels must never had one single 14:48  |  Akram Zekaria 15/12/07
  247.   194Yitz agreed that jews should be allowed to live in the new 14:52  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  248.   # 212 DINO-Rehabilitation chance 14:52  |  17 15/12/07
  249.   9# Ben Azai. I go further than you .. 14:59  |  Akram Zekaria 15/12/07
  250.   235 Howdy Jeff Northridge,finally,finally,you understood that the 15:00  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  251.   I have a beautiful saying to share. Check if it`s not for you 15:04  |  zmogus 15/12/07
  252.   Virginia,there are lots of intepretations of the historical Jesus 15:07  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  253.   # 220 Nico and Capetown? 15:30  |  Petra 15/12/07
  254.   # 237 And the Koran? Death to infidels? 15:33  |  Petra 15/12/07
  255.   Tosefta #109 Good Schtick 15:46  |  Dorothy 15/12/07
  256.   Cipora @215 15:57  |  Gabe1 15/12/07
  257.   Jerusalem - Nice to Visit But I Wouldn`t Want to Live There 16:00  |  MIKE 15/12/07
  258.   Cipora On Meisels 16:06  |  GABE1 15/12/07
  259.   Laughing bird or Laughing Brnd #202? 16:06  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  260.   Past vs. Present vs. Future (Yitz #198) 16:19  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  261.   Swiss (Dino) # 234 A 4,000 m. Mountain? 16:34  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  262.   Jerusalem 16:36  |  H Wipprecht 15/12/07
  263.   Tosefta to Jake #170: on ancestry, DNA & claims to the land - 1 16:39  |  ivo 15/12/07
  264.   Tosefta to Jake #170: on ancestry, DNA & claims to the land - 2 16:59  |  ivo 15/12/07
  265.   The truth is,it took twenty centuries for Christians.. 17:02  |  Akram Zekaria 15/12/07
  266.   Worldly wisdom for Jeff Northridge #243 17:25  |  Geppetto 15/12/07
  267.   9# Ben Azai.I go furthen than that.. 17:25  |  Akram Zekaria 15/12/07
  268.   Tosefta #259 17:32  |  GABE1 15/12/07
  269.   We mostly agree (Ivo #263-4) 17:39  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  270.   Danite-ANARCHIST 17:42  |  GABE1 15/12/07
  271.   Danite re: Gabe1 17:52  |  CHGODMK 15/12/07
  272.   Whatever Happened to... 17:54  |  CHGODMK 15/12/07
  273.   # ! 18:19  |  Veni Vidi 15/12/07
  274.   #260 - Tosefta speaks of blame. 18:23  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  275.   # To Petra..NEVERMIND SPITEFUL INDI,,THIS IS FOR THE ABOVE 18:24  |  Kathy 15/12/07
  276.   re: Mordavig 18:28  |  David 15/12/07
  277.   No commandment in the Koran about Mecca / Medina 18:30  |  Fred 15/12/07
  278.   #247 - Lakshmi and Palestinian Sovereignty 18:37  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  279.   Everyone looks like a donkey to a talking ass (Peter of Montreal) 18:43  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  280.   Oh how Ruth yearns for us to go back to the diaspora 18:43  |  Steve 15/12/07
  281.   In praise of Hamas (Yitz #268) 18:46  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  282.   Ruth openly calls for destruction of Dome of the Rock? 18:47  |  Michael 15/12/07
  283.   SWiss dino please 18:48  |  Danite 15/12/07
  284.   Palestinian Prince 18:52  |  Danite 15/12/07
  285.   229 & 233 - Esther 18:54  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  286.   Jerusalem, Above All ? 18:55  |  Gary 15/12/07
  287.   Yitz 18:56  |  Danite 15/12/07
  288.   Under the Threat of Arabs `Lords of War` , 19:01  |  Joseph E . post 1 15/12/07
  289.   Gabe 1 can he read? 19:01  |  Danite 15/12/07
  290.   Under the Threat of Arabs `Lords of War` , 19:05  |  Joseph E . post 2 15/12/07
  291.   Iakshmi # 250 The Trust Ended When Mandate The Ended 19:05  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  292.   Under the Threat of Arabs `Lords of War` , 19:06  |  Joseph E . Post 3 15/12/07
  293.   #189 To a Jew, who converted 19:19  |  Alicia 15/12/07
  294.   Meisel brings back Ouganda on the Negotiations Table 19:36  |  Joseph E . 15/12/07
  295.   Jewish Wedding-Bridegroom Will By Meisel Brake a Half Glass 19:45  |  Joseph E . 15/12/07
  296.   Dear Ruth - there is no commandment about Jews ruling Israel 19:46  |  Jewboy 15/12/07
  297.   yishai kohen 8 19:50  |  realism 15/12/07
  298.   Tossefta tired of praising Hamas??? 19:56  |  Jewboy 15/12/07
  299.   Jerusalem above all 20:12  |  Tom 15/12/07
  300.   In praise of Hamas (Yitz #271) 20:22  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  301.   Worldly wisdom for Jeff Northridge #243 20:24  |  Geppetto 15/12/07
  302.   Tosefta # 266 That Is Highly Unlikely 20:31  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/07
  303.   lakshmi #252, Many Jews and Arabs see Christ for who He Is... 20:40  |  Virginia 15/12/07
  304.   Geppetto (aka Tosefta aka Ben Gurion) 20:42  |  The Captain 15/12/07
  305.   CHGODMK @269 20:43  |  GABE1 15/12/07
  306.   The truth is,it took twenty centuries for Christians.. 20:43  |  Akram Zekaria 15/12/07
  307.   Chinese wisdom for Jeff Northridge #284 20:50  |  Jee Peh To 15/12/07
  308.   Danite @275 20:52  |  GABE1 15/12/07
  309.   # 274 Tosefta...in Asharq Alawsat there is an 20:53  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  310.   Gabe 1 did he learn to read in Poland? 20:56  |  Danite 15/12/07
  311.   CHGODMK makes new friends 20:57  |  Danite 15/12/07
  312.   lakshmi, As far as "non-believers" are concerned 21:00  |  Virginia 15/12/07
  313.   Machon Shilo 21:01  |  Yonah Cohen 15/12/07
  314.   # 261 Jeff Northridge 21:06  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  315.   282 Howdy jeff Northridge,no,that`s not how it is,the UN 21:07  |  lakshmi 15/12/07
  316.   Captain Blockhead #303 21:15  |  Geppetto 15/12/07
  317.   # 248 17, I am very proud of you !!! 21:15  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  318.   Messiah means The annointed One of God 21:16  |  Virginia 15/12/07
  319.   # 230 Lynn 21:20  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  320.   #286 - Danite - Abbas or Bust! 21:26  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  321.   Understanding still lacking (Lynn #308) 21:28  |  Tosefta 15/12/07
  322.   # 228 Jasmine Murphy 21:28  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/12/07
  323.   jee peh to or Gepetto or tosefta or 21:29  |  GABE1 15/12/07
  324.   Israel` Declaration of Independence States 21:33  |  Joseph E . 15/12/07
  325.   Akram Zekaria # 305, You are absolutely right in that Judaism is 21:40  |  Virginia 15/12/07
  326.   #300 - Tosefta & Praise of Hamas 21:56  |  Yitz 15/12/07
  327.   "to set up the house of our God" "My House shall be called 21:59  |  Virginia 15/12/07
  328.   Dear Dino 22:15  |  Jasmine Murphy 15/12/07
  329.   Ruth Can Live in Ramallah In the "Palestinian" Capital! 22:16  |  Mark Hamil 15/12/07
  330.   Jerusalem. 22:36  |  Neal 15/12/07
  331.   #324 Joseph - 1st try 22:40  |  BBSNews 15/12/07
  332.   the arabist apologist has grown the ears 22:50  |  peter 15/12/07
  333.   Yitz 22:50  |  Danite 15/12/07
  334.   Re Gabe #116 etc etc 23:23  |  Esther 15/12/07
  335.   tosefta did you read the article? 23:29  |  Lynn 15/12/07
  336.   # 305 Gabe1 GOSH IS THIS WOMAN`S PAGE STILL RUNNING?? 23:30  |  Kathy 15/12/07
  337.   Gabe1 in general 23:35  |  Esther 15/12/07
  338.   Danite, you are truly pathetic... 23:37  |  CHGODMK 15/12/07
  339.   Gabe1 #305 23:39  |  CHGODMK 15/12/07
  340.   305 posts, #3 is still the best 23:45  |  Yadu 15/12/07
  341.   # RUTH JUST FOR THE PLEASURE IT WOULD GIVE ME I SAY:BUGGAR OFF.. 23:48  |  Kathy 15/12/07
  342.   # 316 NOT ANOTHER PSEUDONYM TOSEFTA??? 23:52  |  HAPPY UP HERE 15/12/07
  343.   We must never give up Jerusalem 23:56  |  Ruth S. 15/12/07
  344.   Joseph e 325 00:07  |  realism 16/12/07
  345.   # 309 Lynn..I LIKE THE WORD"MATURATION"LIKE A PIECE OF ROTTENMEAT 00:13  |  Kathy 16/12/07
  346.   # 300 COR BLIMEY! ANOTHER LONG WAFFLE.WHY NOT USE GAPETTO? 00:15  |  Kathy 16/12/07
  347.   # 69 SHIMON..WISH I HADN`T RETURNED.I FEEL SICK TOO HONESTLY.. 00:21  |  Kathy 16/12/07
  348.   #202 Dr. Brnd, Tosefta is correct....there`s a genetic link... 00:23  |  Smadar 16/12/07
  349.   CHRISTIANS/CHRISTIANITY 00:25  |  Veni Vidi 16/12/07
  350.   Virginia #325_ What???????? 00:31  |  Eli 16/12/07
  351.   Virginia # 305- what I am getting from your post is that 00:43  |  Dick Hertz 16/12/07
  352.   Kathy I do not take any.pleasure.... 01:01  |  GABE1 16/12/07
  353.   Eli, Comprehension? I`m not the one asking, "What?" 01:03  |  Virginia 16/12/07
  354.   CHGODMK 01:06  |  Danite 16/12/07
  355.   No Smadar #339, here`s why Toseftaland genetics is crazy 01:09  |  Dr. L. Brnd 16/12/07
  356.   #286 and Ruth 01:12  |  Gary 16/12/07
  357.   Dick Hertz, Ever work with a Law Firm in Hollywood, FL? 01:13  |  Virginia 16/12/07
  358.   Tosefta and Hamas - evolution together - back to minerals 01:19  |  17 16/12/07
  359.   #333 - Danite & Crossroads 01:23  |  Yitz 16/12/07
  360.   No Dick, the point I was trying to make with regard to our Roots 01:25  |  Virginia 16/12/07
  361.   Smadar re Tosefta - genetic abracadabra 01:32  |  17 16/12/07
  362.   The Connection of Sovereignty and Sanctity in Jewish Tradition 01:39  |  Joseph E . post 1 16/12/07
  363.   The Connection of Sovereignty and Sanctity in Jewish Tradition 01:40  |  Joseph E . post 2 16/12/07
  364.   A VICIOUS CIRCLE 01:41  |  indrajaya 16/12/07
  365.   sovereignty and sanctity 02:00  |  JJ 16/12/07
  366.   To the arrogant Danite 02:01  |  Marlene 16/12/07
  367.   Tosefta and my understanding of Hamas 02:09  |  Lynn 16/12/07
  368.   To CHGODMK No. 339 02:09  |  Marlene N. 16/12/07
  369.   Kath...Hamas is still playing teeny bopper 02:15  |  Lynn 16/12/07
  370.   # 343 Ruth S JERUSALEM IS OUR HEART AND SOUL!! 02:15  |  Kathy 16/12/07
  371.   # 319 Swiss I prefer the Victoria-Jungfrau 02:23  |  Lynn 16/12/07
  372.   # 202 Dr. L. Brnd Tosefta, Lincoln, others-your 02:29  |  Kathy 16/12/07
  373.   # 331 BBSNews @ Charlotte, North Carolina / bbsnews.net 02:37  |  Joseph E . 16/12/07
  374.   Yerushalayim 02:39  |  Joseph 16/12/07
  375.   Elias Khoury - As one who has repeatedly vocalized support 02:56  |  Gina 16/12/07
  376.   KATHY #336 03:02  |  GABE1 16/12/07
  377.   #358 Joseph - 1st try 03:06  |  BBSNews 16/12/07
  378.   Marlene and nice sounding German name#353 03:06  |  GABE1 16/12/07
  379.   Tosefta 03:12  |  Gina 16/12/07
  380.   Kathy-waht about a Corned Beef @336 03:12  |  GABE1 16/12/07
  381.   To Marlene N.: Convoluted Logic or Deliberate Malice? 03:21  |  CHGODMK 16/12/07
  382.   Marlene N. to the Arrogant Danite 03:31  |  CHGODMK 16/12/07
  383.   Indy, ""baby, Virgy" did not say that.Eli or Dick said that to me 03:31  |  Virginia 16/12/07
  384.   Marlene 03:41  |  Simone 16/12/07
  385.   #358 Kathy on DNA science 03:47  |  BBSNews 16/12/07
  386.   And Indy, In my book...Messiah created His church to . 03:48  |  Virgy 16/12/07
  387.   355 Dr.L.Burned,just when I thought you were going somewhere with 03:52  |  lakshmi 16/12/07
  388.   Marlene - Arabs are no angels, Jews not Devils 04:27  |  Jewboy 16/12/07
  389.   INDRAJAYA #364 04:35  |  JOJO 16/12/07
  390.   # 366 Marlene 04:42  |  17 16/12/07
  391.   # 377 BBSNews @ Charlotte, North Carolina / bbsnews.net 04:53  |  Joseph E . 16/12/07
  392.   Jerusalem 05:02  |  prairdog 16/12/07
  393.   Danite Ben Gurions Ex.@338 05:06  |  GABE1 16/12/07
  394.   Marlene_ As An Iraqi Jew And Therefore With More Authority 06:15  |  Eli 16/12/07
  395.   Shockingn news for dhimmi Meisels 06:42  |  Chick 16/12/07
  396.   Jerusalem Above All 07:01  |  Denis Gray 16/12/07
  397.   # 389, JOJO 07:45  |  indrajaya 16/12/07
  398.   Did I miss something about Danite`s posts lately?... a number of 08:06  |  Smadar 16/12/07
  399.   #321, Tosefta, lover of terrorists 08:16  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/12/07
  400.   Esther, thank you 08:28  |  Mahealani 16/12/07
  401.   David built thee stone by stone.. 08:29  |  Akram Zekaria 16/12/07
  402.   #385more crap from kings drive by bbs 08:32  |  victor hardman 16/12/07
  403.   Jerusalem should belong to nobody and therefore everybody 08:33  |  The End Is Nigh 16/12/07
  404.   # 324 Joseph E and his Biblical fantasies 08:44  |  SJ 16/12/07
  405.   Mr Lincoln who is married to the Real World. 08:48  |  Akram Zekaria 16/12/07
  406.   VOICE OF REASON 08:53  |  VOICE OF REASON