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Nathan Diament, public policy director of the U.S. Jewish organization Orthodox Union (Guy Raivitz)
Last update - 10:33 27/11/2007
Jewish, Christian leaders to U.S.: No compromise on Jerusalem
By Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Ehud Olmert, Annapolis 

WASHINGTON - Representatives from Orthodox Jewish organizations and Christian organizations met with President Bush's National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley along with other senior White House officials Monday, and raised concerns regarding the diplomatic meetings in Annapolis.

The members of the group oppose future Israeli concessions in Jerusalem. According to some participants, Hadley told them that Jerusalem is not on the negotiating table now. He also told them that no American pressure was applied before Israel decided to attend Annapolis. The participants got the impression that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was the enthusiastic partner behind this process.

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he group was led by Nathan Diament, public policy director of the Orthodox Union, and included representatives from Agudath Israel, the National Council of Young Israel, Christians United for Israel represented by David Brog, the Southern Baptist Convention, and the Coordinating Council for Jerusalem, headed by Jeff Ballabon. It also included Christian leader and former presidential candidate Gary Bauer.

Following the meeting with Hadley, Diament issued a statement that "we had a constructive and meaningful conversation with Mr. Hadley and other White House senior officials. On the eve of the Annapolis meetings, we were happy to share with them the perspective of Americans who in their synagogues and church pews regularly pray for the peace of Israel and the rebuilding of Jerusalem."

Earlier Monday, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Monday categorically rejected assertions by American Jewish leaders that Jerusalem is not an Israeli issue but "a Jewish one."

The Jewish leaders are demanding that American Jews should have a say in any discussion about dividing Jerusalem.

Speaking at a news briefing Monday, Olmert said that the Jerusalem issue had "been determined long ago" and that "the government of Israel has a sovereign right to negotiate anything on behalf of Israel."

He said that at this stage, the matter was a theoretical rather than practical one, as the subject of Jerusalem was not yet on the negotiating table.

In recent weeks, as the Annapolis summit approached and rumors and leaks of future compromises in Jerusalem increased, several Jewish American figures, mainly from the Orthodox community, coalesced to present a hard line against the possibility of the capital's division.

Among other things they set up the Coordinating Council on Jerusalem, an umbrella organization identified with Jewish Republican circles, to resist any compromise regarding the city. The Orthodox Union (OU), the umbrella organization of Orthodox communities in the U.S., set up a Web site intended to mobilize people "to protect Jerusalem from being divided."

The OU adopted a resolution after the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza, breaking with its tradition of refraining from intervention in controversial political issues in Israel. It announced that it would no longer desist from expressing positions opposed to those of Israel's government when it believed this was called for.

A number of Jewish leaders have been saying lately, mostly off the record, that they do not believe Olmert's government would make what one of them called "irreversible decisions" concerning Jerusalem without consulting world Jewry.

Commenting on Olmert's statement Monday, the OU issued a statement saying that the organization's activity for Jerusalem was not intended to "dictate" moves to Israel, but to express the OU's "resolute stand" that all the Jews in the world had a share in "the holy city of Jerusalem" and that its partition was a move the Israeli government should not agree to.


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      1.   Olmert and Jerusalem 00:00  |  Rabbi Yakov Lazaros 27/11/07
      2.   olmert is right, but not for the reason he thinks 00:14  |  henry 27/11/07
      3.   Why not. . . 00:25  |  Steve 27/11/07
      4.   Yes - finally some sense 00:34  |  Ramzi, a Palestinian 27/11/07
      5.   All Jews 00:37  |  Rodney Stack 27/11/07
      6.   This Haaretz article is a real joke. 00:41  |  Etoile 27/11/07
      7.   OLMERT TELLS JEWS TO STAY OUT 00:42  |  Rich 27/11/07
      8.   He is very wrong on that Olmert is No Jew 00:47  |  ralphsrant1 27/11/07
      9.   Olmert "we will take your money & kids, just not your opinions" 01:05  |  this is why im here 27/11/07
      10.   When he needs it, he knows how to shmooze 01:16  |  Gilad 27/11/07
      11.   EVERY JEW IN THE WORLD OWNS JERUSLEM,OLMERT HAS NO RIGHT NEGOTIAT 01:20  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 27/11/07
      12.   Amarican Jews` Imperial Chutzpah should be out. 01:31  |  Fortuna Benmayor 27/11/07
      13.   US Jews determined all policies 01:39  |  El-birawi 27/11/07
      14.   5229428 01:39  |  Rabat Greenberg 27/11/07
      15.   Olmert seeks Arab League views, but wants to ignore world Jewry 01:43  |  Dr. L. Brnd 27/11/07
      16.   Israel`s say 01:44  |  David 27/11/07
      17.   Want a say? Move your tachat here 01:48  |  Yael 27/11/07
      18.   JERUSALEM BELONGS TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE. 01:57  |  World Jewry. 27/11/07
      19.   The Holy Land belongs to the Jewish people where ever they live. 02:00  |  David 27/11/07
      20.   US support 02:05  |  moisherabaynu 27/11/07
      21.   Olmert GO HOME 02:06  |  ralphsrant1 27/11/07
      22.   Wrong. Israel will decide the future of Jerusalem. Not Olmert. 02:06  |  bat yam 27/11/07
      23.   MANY OTHER S HAVE OPINIONS 02:08  |  TOBIA 27/11/07
      24.   Jason_M 02:23  |  Jason Mundstuk 27/11/07
      25.   only this traitorous criminal gangster has the right 02:23  |  chaim schonbrun 27/11/07
      26.   Henry, please explain... 02:25  |  Ben 27/11/07
      27.   Olmert the Lackey 02:28  |  George Kaplan 27/11/07
      28.   Response to VOICE OF M 02:32  |  VICTOR 27/11/07
      29.   US Jews: Israel, not Olmert, 02:35  |  Russian Jew 27/11/07
      30.   Gilad # 4 & Henry # 1 02:36  |  Philippe 27/11/07
      31.   Nice first step... 02:37  |  Ira U. Crazy 27/11/07
      32.   Wrong, Olmert has no right to decide! 02:39  |  gb 27/11/07
      33.   Wake up before it is to late 02:40  |  Jack 27/11/07
      34.   you gotta go with olmert on this one! 02:41  |  eric 27/11/07
      35.   Negotiating Jerusalem 02:58  |  Neil Kuchinsky 27/11/07
      36.   Ben Gurion said that no Jew has any right to relinquish Jerusalem 02:59  |  Terry 27/11/07
      37.   No fan of Olmert...... 03:13  |  Nemesis 27/11/07
      38.   Henry, if million ofJews moved to Israel, Olmert `d import Arabs 03:14  |  Terry 27/11/07
      39.   UNGA 181 03:16  |  jjvanka 27/11/07
      40.   The chosen Jews of the world must unite to Dump Olmert Now! 03:24  |  Rick 27/11/07
      41.   Olmert 03:25  |  Dave 27/11/07
      42.   Dual Loyalty is Showing 03:35  |  Purely American 27/11/07
      43.   # 4 Ramzi...I totally agree!!!! 03:36  |  Lynn 27/11/07
      44.   Can`t stand Olmert 03:40  |  Jon 27/11/07
      45.   Lest anyone misunderstand 03:59  |  Mark Lincoln 27/11/07
      46.   Isreali Jews should decide 04:01  |  Dave 27/11/07
      47.   The only chance for peace 04:04  |  Mark Lincoln 27/11/07
      48.   Would the world`s Muslims let Saudis divide Mecca? 04:09  |  Jerusalem = Israel 27/11/07
      49.   Divide Tel Aviv for peace 04:38  |  Herbert Kaine 27/11/07
      50.   # 19 David ....YOU live in NY 05:06  |  Lynn 27/11/07
      51.   why is jerusalem different than gaza? 05:18  |  naftaly 27/11/07
      52.   The Same as Abu Peres , Abu Beilin , Abu Ramon 05:20  |  Joseph E . post 1 27/11/07
      53.   The Same as Abu Peres , Abu Beilin , Abu Ramon 05:22  |  Joseph E . post 2 27/11/07
      54.   Religious Freakshows want to keep what they STOLE!! 05:26  |  POP 27/11/07
      55.   Chridstian leaders 05:44  |  Pierre 27/11/07
      56.   My guess is no Christian Palestinians are included in these. 06:01  |  Nabeel 27/11/07
      57.   Olmert is misguided - Jerusalem is Jewish patrimony 06:04  |  Raymond from DC 27/11/07
      58.   #11. "Every Jew in the world, owns Jerusalem." Dream on! 06:16  |  Maureen Ann 27/11/07
      59.   Jerusalem 06:24  |  Moslem Half Jewish 27/11/07
      60.   Telling U.S. Jews who`s boss 06:28  |  Jason_M 27/11/07
      61.   Re: Only Chance for Peace, Mark Lincoln 06:32  |  Jason_M 27/11/07
      62.   Not just every Jew in the world shares Jerusalem... 06:42  |  David 27/11/07
      63.   Jerusalem 06:59  |  Moslem Half Jewish 27/11/07
      64.   THERE`LL BE PEACE WITHOUT PALESTINE.NO JEW HAS RIGHT TO SURRENDER 07:03  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 27/11/07
      65.   The Same as Abu Peres , Abu Beilin , Abu Ramon 07:15  |  Joseph E . post 2 27/11/07
      66.   Well Said Ramzi, A Palestinian # 4 - Jewish Americans And Others 07:18  |  Eli 27/11/07
      67.   Raymond From DC # 56 - You Don`t Playah The Gemah 07:30  |  Eli 27/11/07
      68.   Olmert`s words 07:42  |  Choni Davidowitz 27/11/07
      69.   American Jews Need A Slap in The Face 07:53  |  Adam B. 27/11/07
      70.   US Christian Zionist pressure on Jerusalem not Biblical 08:05  |  Ivar 27/11/07
      71.   Religious Zealots Should not be involved in any negotiations 08:09  |  Markus 27/11/07
      72.   TO JOSEPH E. 08:13  |  ORACLE OF THE SILENT 27/11/07
      73.   Two stunning posts from Mark Lincoln 08:13  |  sh 27/11/07
      74.   Jerusalem, Israeli sovereignty 08:14  |  Dr. Auriel R. Combs 27/11/07
      75.   An Answer to Olmert would be a massive investment 08:18  |  Joseph E . 27/11/07
      76.   YOUR RIGHT CHONI DAVIDOWITZ 08:18  |  Elizabeth 27/11/07
      77.   to ben #26 and terry #38 08:30  |  henry 27/11/07
      78.   Are there any christians FOR Jerusalem ?! 08:35  |  Steve the Pals. 27/11/07
      79.   To give up land?? 08:41  |  charro 27/11/07
      80.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      81.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      82.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      83.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      84.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      85.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      86.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      87.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      88.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      89.   The entire Jewish world will making dicision for Jerusalemnot Olm 08:45  |  e.m 27/11/07
      90.   To our good old right-wing Christian and Jewish "fools"..... 08:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 27/11/07
      91.   American delusions 10:40  |  Paul 27/11/07
      92.   80-89 e.m. from Canada 10:49  |  Leser 27/11/07
      93.   #58 Maureen Anne 10:49  |  Aliza 27/11/07
      94.   for #5 Rodney ,Arabs are also the descendants of Abraham 10:50  |  David 27/11/07
      95.   Jerusalem is the de facto capital of two nations. 10:54  |  Esther 27/11/07
      96.   # 90, SWISS (DINO) 10:55  |  indrajaya 27/11/07
      97.   #45, Mark: not all are monsters 11:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 27/11/07
      98.   to #81 e.m, you are talking like Hamas 11:22  |  David 27/11/07
      99.   # 96 indrajaya 11:26  |  Swiss (Dino) 27/11/07
      100.   What is Jerusalem? 11:26  |  Friend 27/11/07
      101.   to Friend 11:38  |  W. Anchor 27/11/07
      102.   # 99, SWISS (DINO) 11:55  |  indrajaya 27/11/07
      103.   CHRISTIANS SALVAGED JERUSALEM MANY TIMES IN HISTORY... 12:11  |  Drogba 27/11/07
      104.   to friend (2) 12:28  |  Gilad 27/11/07
      105.   Palestinians and Jerusalem 12:39  |  Gilad 27/11/07
      106.   THEY saw the Church of Nativity desecrated,the Cartoon riots, 12:42  |  PETER S.M. 27/11/07
      107.   Friend or Foe 12:58  |  Shekinah 27/11/07
      108.   the river Indus is sacred to the Hindus as the site of the 13:11  |  lakshmi 27/11/07
      109.   American Christians and Jews could never deny Arab rights 13:14  |  El-Birawi 27/11/07
      110.   So called Lefty Xtians dont want Embassies in Jerusalem 13:17  |  Nephtaly 27/11/07
      111.   Move the Vatican to Jerusalem. 13:27  |  Stephen. 27/11/07
      112.   Where is Jerusalem? 13:29  |  Friend 27/11/07
      113.   misleading... 13:30  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 27/11/07
      114.   # 72 ORACLE OF THE SILENT 13:35  |  Joseph E . 27/11/07
      115.   Elizabeth #76 Will CHONI DAVIDOWITZ... 13:47  |  Lu Ni. 27/11/07
      116.   Kiss my arse...dunno why they call them leaders 14:03  |  Tamir Palestine 27/11/07
      117.   # 110 Nephtaly, you don`t "get it"...... 14:27  |  Swiss (Dino) 27/11/07
      118.   1 # Rabbi Yakov Lazaros 15:10  |  Imad 27/11/07
      119.   Stephen What Faith? 15:51  |  Shekinah 27/11/07
      120.   El-Birawi # 109 What "Rights" Are Those? 16:01  |  Jeff Northridge 27/11/07
      121.   For Mark Lincoln.... 16:20  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 27/11/07
      122.   One Can Only Pray That...... 16:23  |  Yaakov Sullivan 27/11/07
      123.   Friend # 112 That`s My Point-Of-View Too 16:26  |  Jeff Northridge 27/11/07
      124.   Since when do the Christians have a say? They make up only 1% 17:42  |  Canninite 27/11/07
      125.   #Say EM at 83 through eternity 18:07  |  ballistic 27/11/07
      126.   #68 Say Choni---that`s great! 18:11  |  ballistic 27/11/07
      127.   YOU MARRIED YOUR LIES 18:15  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 27/11/07
      128.   No compromise on J`Lem = No Peace 18:16  |  Stephen Murray 27/11/07
      129.   #80 through 89 em 18:17  |  Labhras 27/11/07
      130.   Jerusalem 18:31  |  Daybreak 27/11/07
      131.   # 22 bat yam..ONLY THE ISRAELI CITIZENRY.WILL DECIDE,, 18:36  |  JOSH 27/11/07
      132.   #114 The Oracle of The Silent.You Joseph E. said thus: 18:46  |  JOSH 27/11/07
      133.   El-Birawi 18:49  |  Gina 27/11/07
      134.   # 36 TerryBen Gurion said that no Jew has any right to relinquish 18:56  |  JOSH 27/11/07
      135.   # 121 Tess(T.Maria) WENT TO THE SITE,NOT RECOGNIZED WHY? 19:07  |  JOSH 27/11/07
      136.   `yaacov` will pray ! 19:21  |  goldenberg 27/11/07
      137.   #4 Agree with Ramzi 19:31  |  Jan 27/11/07
      138.   Rabbi Yakov Lazaros - The Enemy 19:35  |  Stephen Connor 27/11/07
      139.   Tamir - Who call them... 19:38  |  Stephen Connor 27/11/07
      140.   Moslem Half Jewish 19:49  |  Lynn 27/11/07
      141.   Shekinah - the limits of knowledge 19:50  |  Stephen Connor 27/11/07
      142.   Stephen Murray # 128 What`s Illegal About It? 19:54  |  Jeff Northridge 27/11/07
      143.   Compromise on Everything 20:08  |  MIKE 27/11/07
      144.   JOSH # 131 Olmert And His Cohorts 20:14  |  Jeff Northridge 27/11/07
      145.   #47 20:32  |  B 27/11/07
      146.   Palistine was split 80 / 20 20:33  |  Yerimiah 27/11/07
      147.   Moslem half Jewish & Lynn 20:34  |  Ramzi, a Palestinian 27/11/07
      148.   Daybreak - excellent point... 20:38  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 27/11/07
      149.   Jerusalem and the Dome 20:38  |  Yerimiah 27/11/07
      150.   Elizabeth (of the secret INFO) on choni being "right" 20:42  |  Ari ben Yisrael 27/11/07
      151.   #49 Yerimiah 21:00  |  tbora 27/11/07
      152.   #148 Tess 21:24  |  Daybreak 27/11/07
      153.   Jerusalem and the Dome 21:44  |  Yerimiah 27/11/07
      154.   With this pressure, you expect US to seek peace? 22:03  |  Toronto`s Finest 27/11/07
      155.   #111, why not move Vatican to Mecca? 22:20  |  Terry 27/11/07
      156.   ark Lincoln, your only chance for peace is to do away with Jews? 22:30  |  Terry 27/11/07
      157.   Jer-USA-LEM is the peace land between Jewish & Arab people 22:39  |  Dr. Julian Darwish 27/11/07
      158.   Reconiasance recognize impossible for Arabs RIGHT ??? 22:43  |  M. S. 27/11/07
      159.   What a waste of Orthodox talent 22:58  |  Tosefta 27/11/07
      160.   Daybreak- hmmm.... 23:15  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 27/11/07
      161.   Jerusalem belongs to...whom? 23:20  |  Palestinian Brit 27/11/07
      162.   Christian Embassy? 23:25  |  Palestinian Brit 27/11/07
      163.   # 97 Cipora J.K Mark Lincoln..Waxing Lyrical About Old Age,Or? 23:29  |  Fed-Up 27/11/07
      164.   The Holy City 23:35  |  Peace 27/11/07
      165.   # 144 Jeff Northridge...Olmert and His Cohorts.. 23:36  |  JOSH 27/11/07
      166.   #160 Tess 23:41  |  Daybreak 27/11/07
      167.   I agree with Olmert - and am shocked 23:48  |  Shlomo 27/11/07
      168.   161 - freedom of worship? surely you jest! 00:11  |  no jews in arabia 28/11/07
      169.   I think everyone knows no peace without compromise on Jerusalem 00:21  |  newageblues 28/11/07
      170.   Time the Jewish dog stopped wagging the US dog 00:23  |  American Patriot 28/11/07
      171.   # 147 Ramzi still makes up stories,and ridiculous ones.. 00:37  |  JOSH 28/11/07
      172.   Who are those "Christian" leaders ? 00:49  |  christa 28/11/07
      173.   To Eric from New Mexico 01:11  |  Jake 28/11/07
      174.   Lakshmi, hundreds of Jewish holy sites are in Moslem hands 01:25  |  Jake 28/11/07
      175.   161,palestinian Brit, you share Mecca, then we`ll talk. 01:26  |  Terry 28/11/07
      176.   Terry... re Palestinian Brit... 01:59  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 28/11/07
      177.   and more to come 01:59  |  carlos 28/11/07
      178.   Palestinian Brit # 161 Freedom Of Worship (part 1) 02:02  |  Jeff Northridge 28/11/07
      179.   TO RAMZI a HALF PALESTINIAN 02:17  |  EGW 28/11/07
      180.   Palestinian Brit # 161 Freedom Of Worship (part 2) 02:37  |  Jeff Northridge 28/11/07
      181.   Daybreak- apologies... 02:38  |  Teresa-Maria (Tess) 28/11/07
      182.   # 161 P.B...NOW WHO EVER HEARD OF "KING DAVID" OF PALIS? 02:42  |  JOSH 28/11/07
      183.   #146, Yerimiah, how much you want to bet 03:52  |  newageblues 28/11/07
      184.   Dear Tess, original Christians were Jews, just like Jesus was 03:53  |  Terry 28/11/07
      185.   Dr. Julian Darwish 03:56  |  Catholic Nut 28/11/07
      186.   I head the main Synagogue in Mecca 03:59  |  Rabbi Weimer 28/11/07
      187.   American Patriot # 170 Your Tax $ 04:19  |  Jeff Northridge 28/11/07
      188.   To whom does Jerusalem belong to? 04:47  |  Raay 28/11/07
      189.   Terry and relinquishing 05:02  |  Truths 28/11/07
      190.   Jake - Misinformation 05:43  |  Stephen Connor 28/11/07
      191.   Steve - Knowledge! 06:04  |  Shekinah 28/11/07
      192.   Dr Darwish 06:20  |  Shekinah 28/11/07
      193.   christa, and who are the "Christian found around here" 06:24  |  Jake 28/11/07
      194.   Jerusalem as a whole, Capital city of Israel. 06:59  |  Yohan Dahal 28/11/07
      195.   #71 Marcus, that would exclude 99.9 of Arab participants 07:14  |  Terry 28/11/07
      196.   #77 henry, you didn`t address importation of the Arabs into Israe 07:20  |  Terry 28/11/07
      197.   #94, David,until recently, illegitimate children didn`t inherit 07:25  |  Terry 28/11/07
      198.   United/Undivided Jerusalem for Peace 07:38  |  Yohan Dahal 28/11/07
      199.   Yawn 09:17  |  Colin Wright 28/11/07
      200.   The straw that can`t save three mice 09:35  |  Akram Zekaria 28/11/07
      201.   What the OU and Southern Baptists Have in Common 10:11  |  Yaakov Sullivan 28/11/07
      202.   # 173 no jake... 10:35  |  eric 28/11/07
      203.   #181 Tess 11:10  |  Daybreak 28/11/07
      204.   If you don`t live in Israel then Shut Your Trap! 11:22  |  don 28/11/07
      205.   # 157 Darwish In Reverence To Our Jerusalem.. 15:24  |  JOSH 28/11/07
      206.   Dividing the Holy Land 18:03  |  Jan 28/11/07
      207.   American Jews should shed American 18:06  |  New Yorker 28/11/07
      208.   Tell the OU to take its own medicine 07:03  |  SK 29/11/07
      209.   #120 On East Jerusalem 07:31  |  SK 29/11/07
      210.   For Daybreak 07:50  |  SK 29/11/07
      211.   To Jeff on item #144 08:12  |  SK 29/11/07
      212.   To Yerimiah 08:24  |  SK 29/11/07
      213.   Jerusalem and the Dome 08:46  |  SK 29/11/07
      214.   To Rabbi Weimar 08:59  |  SK 29/11/07
      215.   who owns Jerusalem 21:18  |  cyndi 03/12/07
      216.   To #201 Yaakov 07:38  |  Mary 07/12/07
      217.   #197 Say Terry 02:28  |  ballistic 08/12/07
      218.   42, your dual loyalty shows more 19:40  |  Purely human(e) 08/01/08
      219.   Israelis decides Israel fate, Jews can make aliah if they want 21:48  |  Leandro Peres 19/02/08
      220.   Jerusalem 06:41  |  wayne 07/03/08
      221.   don #24 If you don`t live in US 17:27  |  T A Sheppard 10/10/08
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