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Palestine, and the crime of being a Jewish state
By Bradley Burston, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: peace process 

My heart goes out to the Palestinians. Not only because their entire world has become one of despair, immobility, bloodshed, disillusionment, crumbling infrastructure, crumbling history, crumbling horizons. There's also this:

Their leaders are even worse than ours.

Imagine the most pragmatic, the most moderate, the most persuasive, the most reasonable of their representatives, preparing for the first peace summit in recent memory, by attacking the very idea that Israel should be a Jewish state.
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Saeb Erekat, chief negotiator for the Palestine Liberation Organization, declared Monday that the Palestinians will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

Erekat was responding Monday to a series of strong statements by Ehud Olmert the day before, in which Olmert said "We won't hold negotiations on our existence as a Jewish state, this is a launching point for all negotiations," adding that "Whoever does not accept this, cannot hold any negotiations with me."

Erekat's response, speaking to Israel Radio, was clearer than one might have expected from a seasoned diplomat. So was the flat tone of rejection.

"No state in the world connects its national identity to a religious identity," he said.

Never mind the fact that the Saudis, sponsors of a peace initiative which the Palestinians hope someday to parlay into an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza, are a theocracy of such sectarian dimension that tourists are forbidden from entering the country with bibles, crucifixes, or items bearing the Star of David.

Never mind the fact that leftists the world over can live with the concept of explicitly Muslim states teaching the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and other explicitly anti-Semitic texts, while arguing that the very idea of a Jewish state implies and, in fact, compels racism against non-Jews.

The bottom line is that if Palestinians want a state - an actual state, and not just a fantasy, not just trappings but actual indepence - they are going to have to reconcile themselves to the idea of an overtly Jewish neighbor.

The other paradigm, which has certainly gained currency in this decade, is to overpower Israel militarily, clearing away the foreign Zionist weeds so that a glorious, supremely non-Jewish Palestine may arise for the benefit of believing Muslims everywhere.

It's not going to happen. The world has had its fill of the Palestinians. The Palestinians have had their chance. The Iranians would love to help them, but at this point, even their brother Muslims will not stand for it.

It's not going to happen. The Palestinians are either going to have a state alongside a Jewish state, or they can choose to have no state at all.

Arafat knew this. That is why, in speaking to his own diaspora, he consistently held out hope for a Palestinian Right of Return, a way to overwhelm Israel demographically.

But that is not about to happen either. Arafat knew that as well.

These days, in the inept leadership sweepstakes, the graft and ineptitude and impotence has a new opposite number, the splintered and floundering upper echelons of Hamas. Once the most disciplined, well-run, canny organization in the Palestinian territories, Hamas has begun to misgovern Gaza the way Israel once did.

As Monday's disastrous memorial rally for Yasser Araft showed all too well, Hamas has begun to employ a deadly cocktail of apparent tolerance and spasms of brutality.

For Palestinians, Hamas was once a pillar of hope and a role model of probity. Now the best that Hamas can boast is that it cannot bring itself to recognize Israel. Even though, in proposing decades-long truces, it has signaled its willingness to sit down with the people it will not recognize, and negotiate with the people it will not recognize, and live alongside the people it will not recognize.

Here's the rub: There was a time when everything that happened, played into Hamas' hands. If Israel invaded, or refrained from invading, if it talked peace or made war, Hamas profited. Now those days are over. Time is no longer on Hamas' side. Nor on the side of Fatah.

The world has shown its willingness to let Palestinians suffer indefinitely. The world has shown its impatience with the glorious victories of Palestine, whether that means Qassam-butchering six cows about to give birth in a dairy barn on a Negev kibbutz, or raising an army which spends much of its firepower on fellow Palestinians, as in the memorial rally which left as many as eight dead in Gaza.

What matters, in the end, is not whether the Palestinians choose to formally recognize Israel as a Jewish state. What matters is whether the Palestinians can live alongside a state which happens to be Jewish in character. That is to say, can they come to share the Holy Land with a state in which the dominant religion is not Islam.

Most Jewish Israelis, meanwhile, have come to accept the idea of an independent Palestinian state, in which the dominant religion will certainly be Islam.

If Palestinians cannot bring themselves to accept a Jewish Israel, there is always the default option. It may be unfair. It may seem that Palestinian suffering has been much too long in vain. But here it is: For Palestinians to choose not to accept a Jewish state, is to make the decisive choice for a future of statelessness.



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  1.   EREKAT shows his true face 18:41  |  yossi 12/11/07
  2.   Poor Arabs 19:09  |  JK 12/11/07
  3.   Erakat is no different from Abbas... or Hamas 19:38  |  Raymond from DC 12/11/07
  4.   Appeal 19:56  |  Choni Davidowitz 12/11/07
  5.   Brad - Why Did it Take You So Long to Figure This Out ? 20:08  |  Tod Zuckerman 12/11/07
  6.   Is it just Providence? 22:41  |  Joseph 12/11/07
  7.   Reincarnation 22:44  |  Motic 12/11/07
  8.   Erekat is a known liar 22:53  |  Joe Sittizen 12/11/07
  9.   Bradley Burston is a nut 23:18  |  Josh 12/11/07
  10.   Judaism is a nationality 00:17  |  Manny 13/11/07
  11.   To Josh (#9) 00:29  |  Tod Zuckerman 13/11/07
  12.   A jewish state is the antithesis of what a democracy should be. 00:58  |  Sean 13/11/07
  13.   To Tod #11 -- Levy and Haas are definitely worse than Burston 01:21  |  Josh 13/11/07
  14.   Surprise surprise, Palestinians aren`t Zionists. 01:37  |  Rebekah S 13/11/07
  15.   Palestinians as Zionists II 01:39  |  Rebekah S 13/11/07
  16.   #11 Manny 01:42  |  Boycott 13/11/07
  17.   Third and final 01:43  |  Rebekah S 13/11/07
  18.   Summit time! 02:23  |  Existential 13/11/07
  19.   Another good article 02:39  |  Gili 13/11/07
  20.   poor Erekat is not Bileam riding on a donkey to curse Israel.... 04:01  |  king Balak 13/11/07
  21.   Manny #10 Not Unlike Some Other Nations 05:42  |  Tim R 13/11/07
  22.   Boycott #15 Secular Jews 05:58  |  Tim R 13/11/07
  23.   15Boycott (the Jewish State?) 06:16  |  Rob 13/11/07
  24.   Two wrongs doesn`t make it right 06:59  |  Bandar Michaels 13/11/07
  25.   Response to #11 and #13 07:02  |  Tod Zuckerman 13/11/07
  26.   Boycott #189 07:19  |  Choni Davidowitz 13/11/07
  27.   Suppose we declared England an Anglo-Saxon state? 07:25  |  Rowan Berkeley 13/11/07
  28.   Josh #9 08:13  |  S 13/11/07
  29.   Where`s Dahlan At? 08:30  |  Yosemite 13/11/07
  30.   How many Jews are there in: - 08:34  |  S 13/11/07
  31.   Jewosh state 08:55  |  Jack 13/11/07
  32.   The light has gone on 09:55  |  Amos 13/11/07
  33.   Is Israels "mainstream" capable of logical thinking....??? 10:08  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  34.   I think Erekat said this because he knows that the new state 10:14  |  Judith, Haifa 13/11/07
  35.   SEMANTICS 10:17  |  Mark of Lewiston 13/11/07
  36.   Palestinians: if not by the sword, then by the poisoned pen 10:23  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  37.   EREKAT WASN`T AN APPOINTED LEADER 10:33  |  indrajaya 13/11/07
  38.   ben-gurion said 10:33  |  hi there 13/11/07
  39.   #`s 4 & 23 Chaver?? Choni!!!! the diaspora Jew 10:34  |  Ari ben Yisrael 13/11/07
  40.   #27 the ash tree and the balfour declaration 10:36  |  victor hardman 13/11/07
  41.   they either recognize, or they do not 10:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  42.   Khartoum, encore 10:51  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  43.   EXCELLENT postings by Rebekah S 10:56  |  Phillies Wright 13/11/07
  44.   YOSEMITE 10:57  |  indrajaya 13/11/07
  45.   The world has turned its face away from the Palestinians 10:57  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 13/11/07
  46.   ARAB DEMANDS 10:58  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  47.   Here`s the new Tosefta, RebekahS 11:02  |  Joe Slovo 13/11/07
  48.   Tim R #21 reply to Manny - silly comparisons 11:03  |  dana 13/11/07
  49.   INDRARAT rank in Al-Qaida: Rear Admiral of disinformation 11:04  |  Genuine Tosefta 13/11/07
  50.   The Palesinians do not deserve their own state. 11:04  |  Zev 13/11/07
  51.   "the crime of being a Jewish state" 11:04  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  52.   manny 10 11:09  |  realism 13/11/07
  53.   Tim R #21 - more on religion and on BB old column 11:10  |  dana 13/11/07
  54.   response to existential 11:13  |  sarah 13/11/07
  55.   response to existential 11:14  |  sarah 13/11/07
  56.   #35, Mark of Lewiston 11:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  57.   # 37, A CORRECTION 11:15  |  indrajaya 13/11/07
  58.   cipora 42 11:17  |  realism 13/11/07
  59.   TO BRADLEY:DONT FEEL BAD.THEY NEED TO EAT WHAT THEY COOK. 11:18  |  WARRIOR 13/11/07
  60.   S #30 - the answers! 11:26  |  dana 13/11/07
  61.   The non-silence of the "doves" (Erekat and Peres) 11:31  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  62.   #45, dana 11:33  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  63.   THE LEADERS OF ISRAEL AND HAARETZ ARE "UNSER UNGLUCK" 11:34  |  R.Efuse 13/11/07
  64.   All You Lefties and Arabs Make me laugh 11:53  |  Levi 13/11/07
  65.   Their own worst enemies? 11:54  |  Sherlock Holmes 13/11/07
  66.   A righteous Zionist called Bradley, it so funny 12:03  |  Phillies Wright 13/11/07
  67.   dana #48 12:11  |  S 13/11/07
  68.   Rebekah S 12:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  69.   # 45 Margie in Tel Aviv 12:12  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  70.   TWO FACED BRADLEY 12:16  |  VIPER 13/11/07
  71.   EREKAT`S POSITION 12:20  |  patrick hammel 13/11/07
  72.   Rebecka 12:23  |  Tal 13/11/07
  73.   Rebekah S 2 12:27  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  74.   Erekat Throwing out the baby with the bath water 12:31  |  Tzfonit 13/11/07
  75.   Is A Secular Jew Still Jewish? 12:32  |  dyinglikeflies 13/11/07
  76.   #22 Tim R 12:36  |  Boycott 13/11/07
  77.   # 45 Margie in Tel Aviv, honestly..... 12:38  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  78.   Israeli state? 12:38  |  Avi Yerushalmi 13/11/07
  79.   Klaudia`s Diner.. Today`s Special - Crow For the Leftists 12:40  |  Klaudia 13/11/07
  80.   #29 Yosemite and Dahlan 12:42  |  Boycott 13/11/07
  81.   dana #60 12:45  |  S 13/11/07
  82.   #68 Cipora - man, that`s one big ol` misrepresentation 12:46  |  Johnboy 13/11/07
  83.   #41 C J Kohn 12:50  |  Boycott 13/11/07
  84.   Dino (Swiss) 12:56  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 13/11/07
  85.   Can`t we just ignore all those bashers? 13:00  |  Hastaroth 13/11/07
  86.   Brad is day dreaming 13:01  |  The Arab Hammer 13/11/07
  87.   England Anglo Saxon? 13:05  |  Jasmine Murphy 13/11/07
  88.   S #47 - just where is the 13:09  |  dana 13/11/07
  89.   #82 to the videogamejohnboy 13:16  |  Hastaroth 13/11/07
  90.   BOKER TOV HAARETZ - FINALLY REALITY HITS YOU IN THE FACE 13:17  |  Slow Poke 13/11/07
  91.   The crime being unworthy of a state. 13:17  |  Akram Zekaria. 13/11/07
  92.   Cipora JK # 62 - Confusious, master of confusions 13:19  |  dana 13/11/07
  93.   CIPORA AND MARGIE 13:23  |  GABE1 13/11/07
  94.   Israel is the nation-state of a people, of the Jewish people, 13:25  |  Avihu 13/11/07
  95.   Before all is said and done, ALL will be stripped naked 13:26  |  Virginia 13/11/07
  96.   BOYCOTT 13:26  |  notblackorwhte 13/11/07
  97.   # 84 Margie in Tel Aviv 13:26  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  98.   S #81 - fighting over what? 13:27  |  dana 13/11/07
  99.   The real truth. 13:28  |  Akram Zekaria 13/11/07
  100.   Klaudia #79 13:29  |  GABE1 13/11/07
  101.   "Jewish State" A RIDICULOUS Demand! Israel/Israelis GROW UP!!!! 13:33  |  Proud Pal Defender 13/11/07
  102.   Tzfonit #74 13:33  |  GABE1 13/11/07
  103.   Arab Hammer 13:34  |  notblackorwhte 13/11/07
  104.   74# Tzfonit. 13:35  |  Akram Zekaria 13/11/07
  105.   # 12 Sean 13:41  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  106.   BRADLEY, FINALLY YOU WROTE THIS ESSENTIAL ARTICLE. WRITE IT AGAIN 13:42  |  Steve Randolph 13/11/07
  107.   83# Boycott. 13:42  |  Akram Zekaria 13/11/07
  108.   To Ari #39 13:43  |  Choni Davidowitz 13/11/07
  109.   self righteousness... 13:49  |  Tess 13/11/07
  110.   Sarah 13:51  |  Sarah 13/11/07
  111.   # 33 Swiss.... it isn`t just the Pals 13:52  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  112.   To 64# Levi 14:00  |  David 13/11/07
  113.   73# Cipora Hi.. 14:05  |  Akram Zekaria 13/11/07
  114.   Swiss (dino) 14:08  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 13/11/07
  115.   Gabe 14:11  |  Joe Slovo 13/11/07
  116.   PPD 14:14  |  Joe Slovo 13/11/07
  117.   # 111 Lynn The (Israeli) hunger for more..... 14:17  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  118.   #94 Avihu Says It Better Than Burston, or Me 14:20  |  dyinglikeflies 13/11/07
  119.   David 14:20  |  Joe Slovo 13/11/07
  120.   # 114 Margie in Tel Aviv 14:27  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  121.   Dana they did the same in the south 14:31  |  Uncle Tom 13/11/07
  122.   A "Jewish State" will never survive. 14:33  |  POP 13/11/07
  123.   dana of arabia 14:34  |  natke nir 13/11/07
  124.   dana of arabia "no fun" 14:37  |  natke nir 13/11/07
  125.   dana #88 14:38  |  S 13/11/07
  126.   No solutions anytime soon 14:38  |  Sam 13/11/07
  127.   dana of arabia"me busy fixing the universe" 14:43  |  natke nir 13/11/07
  128.   dana of arabia and tosefta 14:46  |  yaya 13/11/07
  129.   dana of arabia "religions are greedy for power over the soul" 14:49  |  yaya 13/11/07
  130.   dana says the jews do not need a state 14:52  |  sarah silverman 13/11/07
  131.   Tess 14:52  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  132.   Jewish Values = Occupation + Summary Killings ?? 14:54  |  POP 13/11/07
  133.   UP till now the mantra was "end the occupation"Whats his problem 14:55  |  PETER S .M. 13/11/07
  134.   dana the queen of england is the head of the church of england 14:55  |  british cont 13/11/07
  135.   Poor Gabe 15:00  |  Tzfonit 13/11/07
  136.   dana "major civil rights war looming" 15:04  |  benzion 13/11/07
  137.   To all ignorant people over there 15:07  |  Gene 13/11/07
  138.   dana "70% of orthodox are unemployed" 15:08  |  howfun 13/11/07
  139.   danapropaganda 15:09  |  uganda 13/11/07
  140.   dana on the jews 15:10  |  howfun 13/11/07
  141.   Dana #92 15:10  |  GABE1 13/11/07
  142.   oxymoronic and moronic 15:17  |  by gum 13/11/07
  143.   ARAB Hammer You worry about your country Palestine. 15:17  |  PETER S.M. 13/11/07
  144.   dana looking for propaganda 15:18  |  Joe Slovo 13/11/07
  145.   BOYCOTT. Only the slightest knowledge of history is required 15:20  |  PETER S.M. 13/11/07
  146.   To Joe slovo 119# 15:23  |  David 13/11/07
  147.   No dino you want to be proved right 15:24  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 13/11/07
  148.   REALISM if all else fails raise dual loyalty 15:26  |  PETER.SM 13/11/07
  149.   Israel is a Jewish Nation 15:27  |  Khaled 13/11/07
  150.   Most Jewish Israelis DON`T accept creation of new Palestinian 15:28  |  Chaim 13/11/07
  151.   Avihu # 94 - Thank you for saying so well what 15:36  |  Talia Zahavi 13/11/07
  152.   Dana 15:40  |  Nik "Banned" Miller 13/11/07
  153.   Bradley hits on the core issue 15:42  |  peter 13/11/07
  154.   #8 Erekat was right 15:44  |  Jens 13/11/07
  155.   David 15:45  |  Joe Slovo 13/11/07
  156.   cipora 68 15:48  |  realism 13/11/07
  157.   A....good Burston Article 15:52  |  Daniel 13/11/07
  158.   Palestine & the crime of being a Jewosh state 15:58  |  Michael Stewart 13/11/07
  159.   Swiss, since when Jerusalem has been "a Palestinian" city? Indeed 16:00  |  Yael 13/11/07
  160.   pop said,"a jewish state will never survive." 16:02  |  maria 13/11/07
  161.   Jewish State Means Nation-State 16:05  |  Daybreak 13/11/07
  162.   #12Sean: The West has had enough of NON-integrating Moslems! 16:06  |  Alicia 13/11/07
  163.   Chaim 16:08  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 13/11/07
  164.   pop......can`t you see? 16:08  |  maria 13/11/07
  165.   I agree with Bradley`s sentiments 16:15  |  David Hoffman 13/11/07
  166.   They do not want peace if they can`t say that Israel is Jewish 16:17  |  Steven 13/11/07
  167.   #92 Dana trapped in a laboratory bored stiff 16:19  |  The Equalizer 13/11/07
  168.   #27 16:21  |  Avi Yerushalmi 13/11/07
  169.   Sean 11 16:21  |  Steven 13/11/07
  170.   doesnt matter... 16:27  |  Collond 13/11/07
  171.   Israel, the only ethnocracy on earth 16:40  |  Salahudin the Great 13/11/07
  172.   Just another underhanded Israeli scheme 16:44  |  Natallie Durson 13/11/07
  173.   Mr. Burston, good article!! 16:46  |  a wandering Jew 13/11/07
  174.   Agreeing to a Jewish state 16:47  |  Steve 13/11/07
  175.   No. 27 Rowan 16:49  |  Steve 13/11/07
  176.   Newsflash for Mr. Burston 16:52  |  Gee 13/11/07
  177.   Misguided plattitudes 16:57  |  Michael N 13/11/07
  178.   # 159 Right-wing Yael residing in far, far away Canada..... 16:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  179.   narallie durson aka abdulla 17:18  |  judenstaat 13/11/07
  180.   Dahlan 17:18  |  Brian 13/11/07
  181.   Dino you have no right to give anything to anyone 17:18  |  Joe Slovo 13/11/07
  182.   Very disappointing column... 17:19  |  Omar 13/11/07
  183.   demanding religious recognition condemns your children 17:26  |  Mike 13/11/07
  184.   TO Mr Burston, Israel is very worried... 17:31  |  The Dumbite Kid 13/11/07
  185.   Brad is the only bright light in the Haaretz 17:32  |  TOMY 13/11/07
  186.   # 180 Joe, yes I do....... 17:37  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  187.   Judenstaat how unfair you are 17:39  |  Joe Slovo 13/11/07
  188.   No more 17:40  |  Natallie Dusron 13/11/07
  189.   To Mr Boycot ( 83 )...you are right, a pity 17:41  |  olim 13/11/07
  190.   Omitting the essence 17:45  |  Jan Elshout 13/11/07
  191.   Our difficult situation Israel has no one to negotiate with 17:51  |  Shalom Freedman 13/11/07
  192.   Isn`t it strange 17:52  |  Chris Linthwaite 13/11/07
  193.   Bradley,Bradley,Bradley.A Very Cogent Article.Thank You. 17:52  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  194.   Actually, Swiss, I voted for the NDP in Canada, far from 17:54  |  Yael 13/11/07
  195.   # 9 Josh Bradley Burston is a nut.No I don`t Think So.. 18:06  |  Kathy 13/11/07
  196.   Rebekah S 14,15,17 18:08  |  Omar 13/11/07
  197.   # 173 a wondering Jew.Mr.Burston,Good Article.(yes,I agree) 18:10  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  198.   Salahudin the Great Israel, the only ethnocracy on earth 18:15  |  notblackorwhite 13/11/07
  199.   In a democracy, a "state religion" is irrelevant. 18:16  |  a wandering Jew 13/11/07
  200.   # 176 Gee. Newsflash for Mr. Burston 18:18  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  201.   Omar...on the Palestinian "nation" 18:22  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  202.   # 174 Steve.Agreeing to a Jewish state 18:24  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  203.   India should not recognise existence of "Islamic state of Pakista 18:25  |  Fair 13/11/07
  204.   To Arab Hammer (86)...be Happy 18:28  |  The Jew Transistor 13/11/07
  205.   # 178 Swiss.... on reading an article about 18:28  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  206.   Steve of MN 18:34  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  207.   Lynn 18:46  |  Omar 13/11/07
  208.   56 Cipora Julianna Kohn 18:54  |  Mark of Lewiston 13/11/07
  209.   Lynn, continued 18:54  |  Omar 13/11/07
  210.   More nonsense from Bradley, get real. 19:00  |  Scott Hunter 13/11/07
  211.   # 194, Yael, with the term "right-winger" I did not refer.... 19:01  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  212.   # 192 Chris L. Isn`t it strange...No, It is Not Strange Because 19:02  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  213.   "Jewish state" has always meant 19:03  |  Pssd Off American 13/11/07
  214.   Silly indeed Dana 19:05  |  sh 13/11/07
  215.   # 197 notblackorwhite.Israel, the only ethnocracy on earth 19:06  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  216.   # 205 Lynn 19:08  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  217.   # 202FairIndia should not recognise existence of "Islamic state 19:23  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  218.   Pssd off american 19:27  |  notblackorwhite 13/11/07
  219.   Haaretz I sent a post to # 20 Fair..Accidently at Erekat`s 19:28  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  220.   A Jewish Israel is not good for JEWS. 19:35  |  emad matahin 13/11/07
  221.   #206 Lynn.re:Steve*** I Think You Misunderstood Him. 19:38  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  222.   Statehood 19:39  |  Choni Davidowitz 13/11/07
  223.   Bradley, it took you a long time to reach that conclusion 19:41  |  Yonatan 13/11/07
  224.   34# Judith Haifa. It is not a case of `time will tell`.. 19:43  |  Akram Zekaria 13/11/07
  225.   Burston is right, one of few well-written, practical pieces .. 19:46  |  Jay 13/11/07
  226.   # 46 Cipora Julianna Kohn.ARAB DEMANDS 19:47  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  227.   To #195 -- Kathy 19:50  |  Josh 13/11/07
  228.   pissed off american i will not refer to you as american 19:53  |  yirmiyahu 13/11/07
  229.   # 51 Cipora Julianna Kohn. "the crime of being a Jewish state 19:54  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  230.   to Sean, not sure what planet you live on 19:55  |  Jay 13/11/07
  231.   pissed of arab 19:56  |  yirmiyahu 13/11/07
  232.   # 62 Cipora J.K re:dana etc.Please Read I have A Comment ON! 20:01  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  233.   #14 Rebekah S 20:14  |  Daybreak 13/11/07
  234.   ew...ew...ew...bradley! you old devil you! 20:16  |  eric 13/11/07
  235.   # 67 S re:dana ..Tim R..The Reason Is Obvious S my Friend 20:18  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  236.   I guess Natalie Durson would know about fraud 20:21  |  Jay 13/11/07
  237.   Fed-up - my fair lady 20:25  |  Jasmine from Israel 13/11/07
  238.   #83, Boycott 20:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  239.   # 117 Swiss.... 20:26  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  240.   England has a predominantly english culture & Israel a Jewish one 20:28  |  Frank 13/11/07
  241.   EREKAT WAS WRONG! 20:28  |  jw 13/11/07
  242.   # 92 dana.Confusious, master of confusions.No dana You are The 20:29  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  243.   Erekat`s real message 20:29  |  Scharker Yid 13/11/07
  244.   Natallie Durson 2 20:32  |  Jay 13/11/07
  245.   Jewish Israel 20:33  |  Arnold Flick 13/11/07
  246.   HOW ABOUT A DEMOCRATIC STATE THAT`S JEW-FRIENDLY??? 20:38  |  B`Galil 13/11/07
  247.   Huge missconception among posters 20:41  |  TOMY 13/11/07
  248.   Recognition from arabs, natalie, indrajera, etc not needed. 20:42  |  leo 13/11/07
  249.   Erekat is the most honnest Muslem,no B"S 20:43  |  TOMY 13/11/07
  250.   #163 Margie. Israelis clearly told pollsters they reject 1967 bor 20:44  |  Chaim 13/11/07
  251.   For Bradley: Confucius He Say 20:46  |  Clickfool 13/11/07
  252.   Not so fast, Emad #220 20:47  |  Polybios 13/11/07
  253.   England predominantly an english culture & Israel a jewish one 20:47  |  Frank 13/11/07
  254.   # 79 Dearest Klaudia. Klaudia`s Diner. 20:49  |  Kathy 13/11/07
  255.   216Dino Unfortunately, the reverse will happen 20:52  |  Rob 13/11/07
  256.   to swiss (Dino) 20:53  |  Judah N. Wenkel 13/11/07
  257.   nada serves up some doozies 20:54  |  peter 13/11/07
  258.   to Rebekah S #17 well said 21:00  |  John 13/11/07
  259.   # 210 Scott Hunter..More nonsense from Bradley, get real. 21:05  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  260.   #142, by gum 21:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  261.   Omar of Ramallah 21:10  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  262.   # 225 Jay Burston is right, one of few well-written, practical 21:15  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  263.   Swiss... Have to get past the first sentence, 21:17  |  Lynn 13/11/07
  264.   Swiss, in Israel I am a Meretz voter! Does that too make me right 21:25  |  Yael 13/11/07
  265.   Dana - "Orthodox men are welfare queens" 21:29  |  Lee 13/11/07
  266.   the crime of being a Jewish state 21:33  |  B 13/11/07
  267.   Dana - "No need for Jewish refuge" 21:36  |  Lee 13/11/07
  268.   To Dana in Sunnyvale 21:45  |  Boris S. 13/11/07
  269.   #220 Matahin: what does PA stand on? On the Koran! 21:47  |  Alicia 13/11/07
  270.   Omar and Lynn 21:49  |  Philip 13/11/07
  271.   # 222 Choni Davidowitz. Statehood..Agreed,Choni We Are Not Stupid 21:54  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  272.   Polybios #136 22:19  |  emad matahin 13/11/07
  273.   yirmiyahu 22:24  |  Pssd Off American 13/11/07
  274.   #232 Leo 22:25  |  Eva 13/11/07
  275.   Mohammed and Judaism 22:27  |  P. J. Casey 13/11/07
  276.   #150 Chaim is ill informed 22:39  |  Labhras 13/11/07
  277.   You should not have to use a magnifying glass to find a partner f 22:39  |  David 13/11/07
  278.   When did PALEST INIANS begin to exist? 22:41  |  Dagma 13/11/07
  279.   Emad 22:45  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 13/11/07
  280.   As if Palestinians even want a State 22:47  |  Efox 13/11/07
  281.   Yonatan #223 22:48  |  TonyL 13/11/07
  282.   To TOMY # 233 Saeb Erekat 22:51  |  Natasha 13/11/07
  283.   #150 Chaim re elon plan 22:55  |  Labhras 13/11/07
  284.   Klaudia`s # 79 dinner for leftists - am I invited? 22:56  |  dana 13/11/07
  285.   152 Jens 22:57  |  ChanahS 13/11/07
  286.   Emad re 220 22:59  |  Lee 13/11/07
  287.   It`s so simple! 23:04  |  Avi Yerushalmi 13/11/07
  288.   to #252,Dagma can you explain your lies better 23:07  |  john 13/11/07
  289.   Klaudia: If you`re inviting leftists over for dinner 23:17  |  CHGODMK 13/11/07
  290.   #92, dana, "me fixing the universe" 23:18  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/11/07
  291.   A person who consistently states worthy words, can also be ... 23:22  |  Smadar 13/11/07
  292.   #154 jens 23:22  |  Axel 13/11/07
  293.   # 255 Rob, well then I`m afraid with political unrest.... 23:29  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  294.   #248 leo...That is what I always say.Irrespective who says it.. 23:31  |  Fed-Up 13/11/07
  295.   #172 Emad; please provide us with info to verifiy 23:36  |  Alicia 13/11/07
  296.   # 256 Judah N. Wenkel 23:38  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  297.   # 263 Lynn 23:41  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  298.   # 264 Yael, oh my Goodness, another (pseudo ??) Meretz voter.... 23:51  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/11/07
  299.   #268 Boris S to Dana 00:02  |  Labhras 14/11/07
  300.   #287 Avi - arab jews 00:17  |  goldman 14/11/07
  301.   To Margie in Tel Aviv =- You are WRONG!.... 00:18  |  Dagma 14/11/07
  302.   # 289CHGODMK inviting leftists over for dinner? 00:20  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  303.   #89 Arrogant nonsense, Hastaroth 00:23  |  Johnboy 14/11/07
  304.   # 280 Efox As if Palestinians even want a State OH BUT THEY DO ! 00:31  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  305.   Well Put 00:34  |  David 14/11/07
  306.   To John # 288 - Would gladly explain ..... 00:35  |  Dagma 14/11/07
  307.   emad matahin # 272 00:36  |  ChanahS 14/11/07
  308.   # 273 Pissed Off.Why Don`t You Just Call Yourself PISSED... 00:36  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  309.   #295 For Alicia your welcome 00:37  |  Labhras 14/11/07
  310.   not until you ar enuked 00:39  |  anon 14/11/07
  311.   dino`s trump cards 00:42  |  peter 14/11/07
  312.   274 Eva & 294 Fed-Up 00:44  |  leo 14/11/07
  313.   # 292 Axel--laretion is back..Wow! What?no JPOST TONIGHT?? 00:45  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  314.   # 278 Dagma When did PALEST INIANS begin to exist? 00:52  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  315.   well done 00:56  |  Eli 14/11/07
  316.   Alicia #172 00:57  |  emad matahin 14/11/07
  317.   A"PALESTINIAN"state?No problem for the selective moral giants. 00:58  |  PETER S.M. 14/11/07
  318.   Hold it, SwissDino #296, you can`t have it both ways! 00:59  |  Dr. L. Brnd 14/11/07
  319.   Lynn- flight vs eviction.... 00:59  |  Tess 14/11/07
  320.   Lee #286 01:00  |  emad matahin 14/11/07
  321.   Lee #266 - Where`s (or what`s) the beef? 01:02  |  dana 14/11/07
  322.   Margie in Tel Aviv 01:06  |  emad matahin 14/11/07
  323.   # 291 Smadar..Why Is It You Are Always So Prim And Proper? 01:08  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  324.   Alicia #269 01:09  |  emad matahin 14/11/07
  325.   #96 notblackorwhte 01:15  |  Boycott 14/11/07
  326.   peter sm 148 01:19  |  realism 14/11/07
  327.   #294 Fedup 01:25  |  Labhras 14/11/07
  328.   #145 PETER S.M. 01:27  |  Boycott 14/11/07
  329.   Israel hindering the peace process, again 01:30  |  Tom 14/11/07
  330.   #238 C P Kohn 01:38  |  Boycott 14/11/07
  331.   Who Cares? 02:09  |  Danite 14/11/07
  332.   dana 02:10  |  Danite 14/11/07
  333.   Palestine. and the crime of being a Jewish State 02:12  |  Martin List,M.D. 14/11/07
  334.   #282 Natasha, if Erekat is christian then 02:16  |  TOMY 14/11/07
  335.   # 142 Now Who is A MORONIC/OXIMORONIC HA? 02:31  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  336.   CHGODMK #289 02:31  |  Danite 14/11/07
  337.   dana: on the jewish state as a national state - 02:36  |  ivo 14/11/07
  338.   # 150 ChaimThank For Reminding Me.I thought I had missed Somehing 02:39  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  339.   # 149 Khaled..Israel is a Jewish Nation..Gosh What A Surprise... 02:48  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  340.   #297 Swiss 03:13  |  Lynn 14/11/07
  341.   Smadar #291: no reason to take s. erekat - 03:21  |  ivo 14/11/07
  342.   Dana #53 Israel Is A Democracy 04:10  |  Tim R 14/11/07
  343.   Danite 04:15  |  CHGODMK 14/11/07
  344.   Danite @#331 04:44  |  Gabe1 14/11/07
  345.   #338 Kath is that you? 04:48  |  Lynn 14/11/07
  346.   # 318 Tim R.re:dana..Methinks Why Bother.She Will Only Persist 04:50  |  Fed-Up 14/11/07
  347.   Tess #319 05:00  |  Lynn 14/11/07
  348.   #133 What`s his problem, PETER SM? 05:01  |  Johnboy 14/11/07
  349.   Dana #60 Erekat Land .. 05:11  |  Tim R 14/11/07
  350.   #342 Sorry Tim R, but you are wrong. 05:17  |  Johnboy 14/11/07
  351.   #323 Fed-Up - yup, R.S. writes like Tosefta... 05:30  |  Smadar 14/11/07
  352.   You get the leaders you deserve 05:52  |  Chick 14/11/07
  353.   BOYCOTT Does the same logic apply to say Palestinians or Italians 05:59  |  PETER S.M. 14/11/07
  354.   JOHNBOY Whats your problem?.Israel is what it says it is. 06:05  |  PETER S.M. 14/11/07
  355.   Boycott #325 That`s A One Sided Biased Assessment 06:06  |  Tim R 14/11/07
  356.   EREKAT 06:13  |  Josef Kramer 14/11/07
  357.   # 129 oh no-no, yaya...dana DOES have a point... 06:26  |  eric 14/11/07
  358.   Fed up 06:27  |  Jasmine Murphy 14/11/07
  359.   K* re Cipora and dana/labhras and those people 06:34  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 14/11/07
  360.   To Gabe,Kath, Dana, CHGODMK..... Trouble at my Diner ! 06:50  |  Klaudia 14/11/07
  361.   # 164 what are you going to do, maria 06:57  |  eric 14/11/07
  362.   #287 Huh? Avi.... 07:11  |  Johnboy 14/11/07
  363.   right for land?! - response to Mr Levi 07:18  |  Rawad 14/11/07
  364.   #350 - Sorry Johnboy, but you`re wrong 07:25  |  JES 14/11/07
  365.   #354 Israel is what is says it is, PETER SM? 07:33  |  Johnboy 14/11/07
  366.   Trouble at the Diner.... Part 3 07:39  |  Klaudia 14/11/07
  367.   Dana #48 Laws And self determination (Second Try) 07:52  |  Tim R 14/11/07
  368.   eric 07:57  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 14/11/07
  369.   # 358 alas, margie in tel aviv... 08:00  |  eric 14/11/07
  370.   Scott Hunter the whiner 08:14  |  Joe Slovo 14/11/07
  371.   pisssssssssssed off arab 08:18  |  Joe Slovo 14/11/07
  372.   Sorry JohnBoy But You Are wrong #350 08:19  |  Tim R 14/11/07
  373.   Suggested fair resolution to the Israeli ? Palestinian conflict 08:25  |  Wellwishers 14/11/07
  374.   #325, Boycott 08:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/11/07
  375.   To #112 David 08:28  |  Levi 14/11/07
  376.   The Terrble Crime....... 08:28  |  Dolly 14/11/07
  377.   #222 Choni & Ha`Aretz on censorship 08:29  |  Ari ben Yisrael 14/11/07
  378.   #346, Fed-Up 08:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/11/07
  379.   # 311 peter "smart guy or donkey...???" 08:35  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/11/07
  380.   Shimon Peres(president),Ishamiel hanieyah(PM) of Israel 08:42  |  problem solver 14/11/07
  381.   # 318 Dr. L. Brnd "much ado about little".... 08:46  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/11/07
  382.   #364 So sorry, JES, but playing semantic games doesn`t cut it. 08:46  |  Johnboy 14/11/07
  383.   Raymond from DC # 3. Erekat 08:49  |  Pathfinder. 14/11/07
  384.   JOHNBOY.Hamas is not trying to achieve its aims by force? 08:50  |  PETER S.M. 14/11/07
  385.   365JB: Islamic Republic that came about by peaceful unification?? 09:06  |  Rob 14/11/07
  386.   A laughable article from beginning to end. 09:08  |  Deborah 14/11/07
  387.   #369 eric seeks justice ? but then takes sides ! 09:21  |  victor hardman 14/11/07
  388.   JOHNBOY You obviousluy support people demanding Pal citizenship 09:22  |  PETER S.M. 14/11/07
  389.   Klaudia and Kath @366 09:26  |  GABE1 14/11/07
  390.   # 368 i did not limit it just to religion, margie 09:29  |  eric 14/11/07
  391.   Eric @369 09:29  |  GABE1 14/11/07
  392.   #372 Yeah, Tim, it`s a MASTERPIECE of obfuscation 09:31  |  Johnboy 14/11/07
  393.   Reply to #27 UK as Anglo-Saxon state 09:39  |  Sherlock Holmes 14/11/07
  394.   Margie in Tel Aviv 09:49  |  Gabe1 14/11/07
  395.   Fed-Up #342 And Earlier Post: Why Bother? 10:04  |  Tim R 14/11/07
  396.   We were promised SEPARATION ! 10:11  |  Nimo 14/11/07
  397.   #309 Labhras: appreciate this info - thanks! 10:16  |  Alicia 14/11/07
  398.   #324 Emad; rephracing the question 10:20  |  Alicia 14/11/07
  399.   ToJoe Slavo # 371 Taking the law into your own hands? 10:30  |  Dagma 14/11/07
  400.   Emad and Labhras 10:36  |  Alicia 14/11/07
  401.   To Ari 377 10:52  |  Choni Davidowitz 14/11/07
  402.   #392 10:55  |  JES 14/11/07
  403.   #392 - Exactly which 11:08  |  JES 14/11/07