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Minister of Pensioner Affairs Rafi Eitan. (Tomer Appelbaum)
Last update - 00:00 09/11/2007
Israel seeks fresh Holocaust reparations deal with Germany
By Anshel Pfeffer, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Holocaust, Israel, Germany 

Minister for Pensioner Affairs Rafi Eitan is seeking to reopen the 1952 reparations agreement between Israel and Germany.

Eitan, the minister in charge of the talks with Germany on reparations for Holocaust survivors and retrieving Jewish property, intends to discuss the matter with the German finance minister when he comes to Israel in two weeks' time.

Eitan told Haaretz that the original reparations agreement, the Luxembourg Agreement, did not take into account many issues relating to Holocaust survivors and should therefore be reopened. That agreement stipulated that Germany would give Israel $833 million in money and merchandise, and Israel would look after the survivors, who would not be permitted to sue Germany directly.
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A state comptroller's report on the treatment of Holocaust survivors, released this past August, said that in the 50 years between 1954 and 2004, the government had spent some $3.5 billion on the survivors, more than four times the sum transferred by Germany.

"We see Germany as responsible for the Holocaust survivors," Eitan told Haaretz. "The agreements with them had many holes. Nobody estimated the high cost of the last stage of life in the modern era, or that people would live at least ten years longer on average than they did in the 1950s."

The Luxembourg Agreement also failed to take into account the arrival of many additional survivors to Israel. "Nobody thought that 175,000 Holocaust refugees from the former Soviet Union would come to Israel," Eitan said. "That changed the entire picture, even if the Germans aren't interested."

An agreement between the Israeli government and survivors' organizations, which the cabinet approved earlier this week, provides for payments and benefits to survivors totaling NIS 2 billion over the next three years. The government undertook to finance the plan, but now expects Germany to contribute its share.

Over the last four months, while government officials were negotiating the agreement with survivors' representatives, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and other ministers said in closed forums that Israel ought to ask Germany to cover the increased payments. However, this is the first time a minister has said so publicly.

The German weekly Der Spiegel reported this week that Eitan sent a letter to German Chancellor Angela Merkel in August, demanding that Germany waive an Israeli debt of 500 million euros, after which Israel would deposit this money in a fund dedicated to survivors' needs. The German deputy finance minister rejected the idea, and Eitan told him: "So just give us the money," Der Spiegel reported.

Eitan responded that he did not make demands of Germany, and that this was merely one of many ways in which Germany could finance the survivors' stipends.

Sources in the Ministry for Pensioner Affairs said that Accountant General Yaron Zelekha was the one who thought of waiving the debt.

The Foreign Ministry is concerned that Eitan's demands might damage the delicate relations between Israel and Germany. "I never denied that my approach is problematic, but it's based on facts and the truth," Eitan responded. "I'm acting for the good of Holocaust survivors."

German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck is scheduled to visit Israel later this month, and the reparations issue will top his agenda. Steinbrueck will meet Eitan and, probably, representatives of the survivors' organizations as well.

"It's not enough to work with one minister or another," Eitan said. "We told the Germans that we must set up a professional team to examine the issue in a professional way."

A senior German Foreign Ministry source told Haaretz that Germany would accept some of the Israeli demands, and that Merkel had instructed officials to handle the matter "sympathetically." However, the German treasury wants to avoid setting a precedent by reopening the reparations agreement.

Eitan is convinced that "ultimately, Germany will agree to the demands. They have their own 'treasury boys,' as we do, who guard the public coffers; they're right from their point of view. They're doing their job, and I'm doing mine."

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  35.   #31, Jonathan S. 12:06  |  Anton 09/11/07
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  46.   #40 Dav and Holocaust numbers 13:05  |  Chris Linthwaite 09/11/07
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  63.   Not surprising and disgusting 14:40  |  Michael N 09/11/07
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  74.   Question for Traude 15:10  |  Jonathan S 09/11/07
  75.   354 NUT ALESS BROKE AGAIN LIKE THE PALS FATAH AND HAMAS 15:11  |  Petra 09/11/07
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  77.   Mark 15:14  |  Nephtaly 09/11/07
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  80.   #59 in addition to my former post 15:19  |  Edith 09/11/07
  81.   No more money 15:21  |  CF 09/11/07
  82.   #47 Johanthan S 15:23  |  Labhras 09/11/07
  83.   #52 Dav 15:28  |  Chris Linthwaite 09/11/07
  84.   "48 Edith in Belgium 15:28  |  Labhras 09/11/07
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  87.   #61 Sarah 15:36  |  Labhras 09/11/07
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  107.   nephtaly...the nombrilist 16:47  |  collond 09/11/07
  108.   #72 16:52  |  kraut 09/11/07
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  116.   Never Again! 17:43  |  W 09/11/07
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  118.   Absolutely ridiculous 17:53  |  Stephen Murray 09/11/07
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  142.   edith # 40 19:28  |  tak 09/11/07
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  145.   Salahudin The Great 19:42  |  notblackorwhite 09/11/07
  146.   buying political influence for 250 million us dollars a year?? 19:43  |  jt 09/11/07
  147.   Money already paid 19:47  |  notblackorwhite 09/11/07
  148.   Erm.. 19:49  |  Dee 09/11/07
  149.   "seeking to reopen the 1952 reparations agreement" 19:52  |  Axel 09/11/07
  150.   Some questions on the issue 19:59  |  Shoshana Thomasson 09/11/07
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  152.   To Taz # 103 20:11  |  Aaron 09/11/07
  153.   DONT WORRY AXEL 20:21  |  notblackorwhite 09/11/07
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  155.   Pensions and treasures 20:30  |  Dee 09/11/07
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  157.   Re: #3. The money-lenders-in-the-temple 20:46  |  Michael 09/11/07
  158.   AXEL DON`T WORRYplease publish 20:47  |  notblackorwhite 09/11/07
  159.   Re: #19 IT`S ABOUT MONEY AFTER ALL, HUH? 20:51  |  Michael 09/11/07
  160.   ZIONIST GOVERNMENT IS TAKING ALL THE MONEY.. NOTHING TO VICTIMS 20:54  |  TrippleJump 09/11/07
  161.   Poor Germany... will be paying forever!!! 20:55  |  Eric 09/11/07
  162.   THE Palestinians should do the same! 21:12  |  Negotiator 09/11/07
  163.   clickfool #9 21:22  |  SHIMON 09/11/07
  164.   hanna the anti-semite and nazi sympathizer #3 21:26  |  SHIMON 09/11/07
  165.   I`m always with pensioners 21:51  |  christoph 09/11/07
  166.   After 70 years and lots of talk 21:57  |  TAZ 09/11/07
  167.   TAZ #103 22:04  |  Veritas 09/11/07
  168.   Just another class performance... 22:23  |  Veritas 09/11/07
  169.   Rafi Eitan. Its time to retire. 22:43  |  Stephen. 09/11/07
  170.   Enough already 22:43  |  heinz 09/11/07
  171.   TAZ 22:59  |  angel 09/11/07
  172.   #47 Jonathan S Germany has never accepted personal compensations. 23:13  |  Traude 09/11/07
  173.   #54, Durson 23:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/11/07
  174.   courtesy of special relationship 23:39  |  goldman 09/11/07
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  176.   That`s what`s known as Schnorers 23:47  |  dana 09/11/07
  177.   Ballistic and the likes of her 23:48  |  William 09/11/07
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  179.   166 Dana 00:18  |  Gerald 10/11/07
  180.   Does this means.... 00:33  |  Billy T 10/11/07
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  182.   # 143 notblackorwhite 00:50  |  Axel 10/11/07
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  184.   Cipora Julianna Kohn 00:55  |  kiwi girl 10/11/07
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  187.   Jonathan S #42 01:51  |  democrat 10/11/07
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  215.   Shoshana #207 12:20  |  Mohamed 10/11/07
  216.   #207 germans don`t want go back into the old 12:27  |  kraut 10/11/07
  217.   ... 12:28  |  mohamed 10/11/07
  218.   BS - if the Germans want Israel to absorb THEIR elderly 13:02  |  Michelle 10/11/07
  219.   SS-men fat from German pensions 13:28  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  220.   Axel is letting his hair down (#194) 13:28  |  christoph 10/11/07
  221.   Nazi war criminals get Billions in German pensions 13:30  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  222.   # 207 shoshana 13:40  |  Axel 10/11/07
  223.   What to tell the German Finance Minister 14:00  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  224.   @40 I agree 1000%. But this shouldn´t be a deal ... 14:04  |  Karl 10/11/07
  225.   Why must the German taxpayer pay the bill? 14:11  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  226.   Abe (#197) No Abe Mark Doesn`t Make a Good Point! (1) 14:14  |  Gil 10/11/07
  227.   Abe (#197) No Abe Mark Doesn`t Make a Good Point! (1) 14:16  |  Gil 10/11/07
  228.   Abe (#197) No Abe Mark Doesn`t Make a Good Point! (2) 14:17  |  Gil 10/11/07
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  232.   Right of Return 15:19  |  Berlin 10/11/07
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  234.   #230 Blah, blah, blah, the bottom line is 15:33  |  ballistic 10/11/07
  235.   #191, Ms Kohn 15:34  |  Hannah 10/11/07
  236.   For Karl about facts and opinion 15:37  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  237.   # 214 papal bull 15:44  |  Axel 10/11/07
  238.   No more Money? 15:46  |  Dee 10/11/07
  239.   # 178 Cipora Julianna Kohn. HYPOCRISY !!!!! 15:51  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  240.   No pensions for Waffen-SS veterans? 15:53  |  Meteor Zeta 10/11/07
  241.   Berlin and wishful thinking #232 15:54  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  242.   Berlin (#232) on right of return 16:00  |  Germany 10/11/07
  243.   # 221JonathanS.Nazi war criminals get Billions in German pensions 16:02  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  244.   Palestinians should do the same #162 16:05  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  245.   Axel, how right you are! 16:08  |  Wiktor 10/11/07
  246.   #242 was me. "Germany" was a typo. 16:14  |  christoph 10/11/07
  247.   Same procedure as last time? 16:16  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  248.   #229 16:23  |  kraut 10/11/07
  249.   To : 232 Berlin and 242 Bielefeld 16:26  |  Shoshana Thomasson 10/11/07
  250.   Jonathan S and "wishful thinking" 16:27  |  Dee 10/11/07
  251.   Morgenthal and Armenia 16:33  |  Ethel 10/11/07
  252.   # 207 Shoshana Thomasson.To Mohamed Cairo 16:37  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  253.   Ridiculously small numbers stated (Fed Up) 16:40  |  Tosefta 10/11/07
  254.   # 225 16:40  |  Alex 10/11/07
  255.   to Fed-up 16:44  |  Alex 10/11/07
  256.   Shoshana 16:45  |  Dee 10/11/07
  257.   Israelis ought to own up to their own crimes... 16:47  |  Dutch 10/11/07
  258.   #249 to shoshana 16:51  |  kraut 10/11/07
  259.   Jonathan S and his "facts" 16:54  |  Axel 10/11/07
  260.   to Soshana in the Netherlands 17:03  |  Alex 10/11/07
  261.   Why should I pay for the Holocaust? 17:07  |  Peter 10/11/07
  262.   nonesense 17:12  |  Paul 10/11/07
  263.   Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams. etc 17:19  |  William 10/11/07
  264.   axel we were misled into taking german money 17:23  |  harzion 10/11/07
  265.   To Fed Up 17:24  |  Shoshana Thomasson 10/11/07
  266.   #261 moralic decency 17:26  |  kraut 10/11/07
  267.   TAMIR-same as Israel must pay forever? 17:34  |  notblackorwhite 10/11/07
  268.   AXEL 17:40  |  notblackorwhite 10/11/07
  269.   Shoshana (#249) 17:41  |  christoph 10/11/07
  270.   Sorry, Peter 17:43  |  angel 10/11/07
  271.   To Mohammed from Giza Cairo 18:13  |  Shoshana Thomasson 10/11/07
  272.   # Shoshana Thomasson..Right on all Counts 18:15  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  273.   Mohammed from Giza Cairo (2) 18:18  |  Shoshana Thomasson 10/11/07
  274.   # 261 Peter. Why should I pay for the Holocaust? 18:27  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  275.   to Shoshana and Fed-Up 18:45  |  Dee 10/11/07
  276.   For Harzion about the assets stolen from Jews 18:55  |  Jonathan S 10/11/07
  277.   #272 Nonsens sharia in euope 19:09  |  kraut 10/11/07
  278.   MOVE ON!!!!! 19:16  |  Sarah 10/11/07
  279.   To Alex from Germany 19:21  |  Shoshana Thomasson 10/11/07
  280.   #271 Shoshana 19:35  |  Mohamed 10/11/07
  281.   oh my 19:40  |  Mohamed 10/11/07
  282.   # 183, Alex, thank you and a short explanation 19:45  |  Max Zinger,P.Chimist 10/11/07
  283.   To Dee from Germany 19:53  |  Shoshana Thomasson 10/11/07
  284.   #273Shoshana Thomasson..Mohammed from Giza.Another Chapter... 20:01  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  285.   # 264 to axel we were misled into taking german money 20:07  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  286.   It is perverse to have the Jews get paid while they victimize 20:13  |  Pepe 10/11/07
  287.   PART TWO TO THE MORON JEW HATERS HERE 20:18  |  Elizabeth 10/11/07
  288.   # 268 notblackorwhite 20:39  |  Axel 10/11/07
  289.   # 274 fed-up 20:48  |  Axel 10/11/07
  290.   #244 Jonathan S It would be good to go back to the REAL roots of 20:48  |  Traude 10/11/07
  291.   Fed-Up 20:57  |  Dee 10/11/07
  292.   # 279 Shoshana Thomasson.re:Alex from Germany 21:17  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  293.   jonathan s 21:35  |  harzion 10/11/07
  294.   # 215 ET AL.- Mohamed of Giza Egypt 21:35  |  Sandman 10/11/07
  295.   # 255 Alex in Gernany.What is my what? Would I be Here Trying .. 21:35  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  296.   To Kraut 21:36  |  Shoshana Thomasson 10/11/07
  297.   To Angel and Fed Up 21:37  |  Peter 10/11/07
  298.   #283 Nonsens Yes the good old mark 21:38  |  kraut 10/11/07
  299.   How about payback to Egypt ... 21:47  |  American 10/11/07
  300.   # 285 fed-up 21:51  |  Axel 10/11/07
  301.   # 264 harzion 21:55  |  Axel 10/11/07
  302.   #235, Hannah 22:02  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/11/07
  303.   # 211 SP Holocaust survivors .Agreed Yes,Absolutely 22:11  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  304.   #261 Peter, I agree-you shouldn`t have to pay... 22:43  |  Dutch 10/11/07
  305.   # 283 shoshana 22:44  |  Axel 10/11/07
  306.   Fed-Up? Then lighten up. 22:57  |  Hubal 10/11/07
  307.   #CJK About evil jews 23:13  |  American 10/11/07
  308.   #300 Axel...Fine with Your Friendship with France.BUT! 23:16  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  309.   fed-up Jew 23:18  |  Axel 10/11/07
  310.   # 306 Hubal I THINK YOU`VE GOT THE WRONG PERSON... 23:20  |  Fed-Up 10/11/07
  311.   #293 American, This is not a prank statement 23:35  |  Max Zinger,P.Chimist 10/11/07
  312.   #253, Tosefta 23:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/11/07
  313.   #296 Shoshana 23:47  |  kraut 10/11/07
  314.   haaretz censors DO NOT POST MY RESPONSE BUT CONSISTANTLY POST 23:50  |  Elizabeth 10/11/07
  315.   no victims here axel 23:52  |  harzion 10/11/07
  316.   axel "get lost you greedy jews" 00:02  |  kelemperer 11/11/07
  317.   axel "here we are sick of jews" 00:06  |  kelemperer 11/11/07
  318.   axel "palestinians watch out.this is what you get from israel" 00:10  |  kelemperer 11/11/07
  319.   axel "the resulting hatred from german taxpayers" 00:14  |  kelemperer 11/11/07
  320.   # 314 Elizabeth...I Fear That Is How Haaretz Operates.I will tell 00:23  |  Fed-Up 11/11/07
  321.   axel "our peace and prosperity" 00:24  |  judenstat 11/11/07
  322.   axel "you should realise that you are from a marginal 00:29  |  verdun 11/11/07
  323.   #315 HARZION 00:29  |  Stephen. 11/11/07
  324.   #307 American(What kind of American is debatable) But Here Goes.. 00:31  |  Fed-Up 11/11/07
  325.   Martian Math (Cipora J Cone #312) 00:32  |  Tosefta 11/11/07
  326.   to harizon 00:32  |  Dee 11/11/07
  327.   # 315 harzion 00:39  |  Axel 11/11/07
  328.   # 309 Axel tsk,tsk,tsk Your Hate Is Showing.BUT! 00:40  |  Fed-Up 11/11/07
  329.   Axel and Kraut 00:41  |  Shoshana Thomasson 11/11/07
  330.   #306, Hubal 00:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/11/07
  331.   # 295 to fed-up 00:55  |  Alex 11/11/07
  332.   # 309 Axel ha ha ha ha Gotcha! You see How you Are Caught? 00:57  |  Fed-Up 11/11/07
  333.   axel "you poor jew" 01:04  |  harzion 11/11/07
  334.   to Kraut 01:10  |  Alex 11/11/07
  335.   axel "poor jew" 01:11  |  harzion 11/11/07
  336.   # 316 judenstat 01:11  |  Axel 11/11/07
  337.   Kraut, Thank you for the joke 01:13  |  Shoshana Thomasson 11/11/07
  338.   dee "germany is a resspected country" 01:14  |  harzion 11/11/07
  339.   to Axel 01:18  |  Alex 11/11/07
  340.   axel you are taking a breather from militarism 01:19  |  verdun 11/11/07
  341.   Dee 01:20  |  sweis Melbourne 11/11/07
  342.   #287Elizabeth. See the official postcard of another group... 01:20  |  Maureen Ann 11/11/07
  343.   # 316 kelemperer 01:24  |  Axel 11/11/07
  344.   OK CENSORS GO BACK INTO THE POSTINGS AND FIND MY EARLIER POSTS... 01:24  |  Elizabeth 11/11/07
  345.   axel since you have many unemployed 01:25  |  judenstat 11/11/07
  346.   # 317 kelemperer 01:29  |  Axel 11/11/07
  347.   #324, Tosefta 01:33  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/11/07
  348.   # 329 shoshana 01:39  |  Axel 11/11/07
  349.   DAV-re Norman Finkelstein 01:45  |  gaoni 11/11/07
  350.   #336, Axel 01:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/11/07
  351.   Fed-Up and now, very confused. #310 01:54  |  Hubal 11/11/07
  352.   # 332 fed-up 01:55  |  Axel 11/11/07
  353.   #332 fed up giggles like five year old. 01:55  |  Labhras 11/11/07
  354.   To Axel 01:58  |  Shoshana Thomasson 11/11/07
  355.   # 339 harzion 01:59  |  Alex