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An aerial view of the Dome of the Rock mosque on the Temple Mount, at the base of which Turkey seeks to build a monument. (AP)
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Turkey seeks right to build monument in J'lem's Old City
By Nadav Shragai, Haaretz Correspondent
tags: Turkey, Israel, Temple Mount 

Turkey would like to build a monument to those who died fighting for the Ottoman Empire at the foot of the Temple Mount's eastern wall, not far from the Golden Gate.

The proposal, which the Prime Minister's Office supports, was recently submitted to the Jerusalem Municipality for approval. The Waqf, or Islamic religious trust, which controls the Temple Mount, has already given Turkey land for the monument, which would be about three meters high and fly a Turkish flag.

While the municipality has not yet discussed the proposal, rightist councilmen have already expressed opposition. Councilman Yair Gabbay (National Religious Party) has asked the city's legal adviser to nix the project on the grounds that according to the city's master plan, all construction is forbidden within 70 meters of the Temple Mount. The plot the Waqf has allocated to Turkey is a mere five meters from the mount.
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Sources in the Jerusalem Municipality said that the proposal would be examined according to the usual legal criteria, but the stance of the Prime Minister's Office and the diplomatic sensitivities entailed would be taken into consideration.

Turkey controlled this area until 1917, when it was ousted by the British during World War I. Today, it has good relations with Israel, but during the war, it deported many Jews because a Jewish group known as Nili had been providing intelligence to the British.

The last time a similar issue arose was immediately after the 1967 Six-Day War, when the Waqf and Arab residents of East Jerusalem sought permission to erect several monuments to soldiers of the Jordanian Legion who were killed in the battles for Jerusalem. Those proposals aroused fierce public debate, but eventually a compromise was reached, under which one central monument for all the battles was erected.


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      1.   more monuments needed 00:42  |  ron 04/11/07
      2.   France and Russia too 00:44  |  claude 04/11/07
      3.   Associated Press Ignorance 01:16  |  davidk 04/11/07
      4.   Why not? 01:19  |  Maureen Ann 04/11/07
      5.   ottoman empire symbol of slavery and occupation 01:28  |  Viken 04/11/07
      6.   Shame on Jews, if they allow that bloody red flag be raised in I 01:29  |  Viken 04/11/07
      7.   Shame on Arabs for being so silent on turkish crimes 01:30  |  Viken 04/11/07
      8.   When We Can Build a Temple On The Mount 02:10  |  Efox 04/11/07
      9.   Turkey and the Waqf 02:29  |  Frank 04/11/07
      10.   Lets also build a monument to Nazi soilders all oppresed jews 02:31  |  zionist forever 04/11/07
      11.   maureen ann 02:53  |  bruce 04/11/07
      12.   england too 02:54  |  les 04/11/07
      13.   Where were the Palistinians? 03:03  |  Micah 04/11/07
      14.   New Monument 03:16  |  Edifce 04/11/07
      15.   America Would Do It 03:16  |  Yosemite 04/11/07
      16.   SHAME ON ISRAEL !!!!!!!!! A DISGRACE !!!!! 03:43  |  amir 04/11/07
      17.   "Three meters high and fly a Turkish flag". 03:58  |  Lisen 04/11/07
      18.   #11Bruce. You forgot to mention... 04:28  |  Maureen Ann 04/11/07
      19.   MAUREN AN, MAUREN AN, MAUREN AN, Where are you my dear? 04:35  |  Jalal Shaid 04/11/07
      20.   Turkey seeks right to build monument in J`lem old city 04:35  |  Matin List,M.D. 04/11/07
      21.   Build Turkish monuments in Aqaba, Damascus, Iskandur and Baghdad 04:41  |  Genuine Tosefta 04/11/07
      22.   First Turkey build huge monument for Armenians in Constantinople! 04:46  |  Genuine Tosefta 04/11/07
      23.   Why mourn the oppressors of freedom? 04:50  |  hala 04/11/07
      24.   The Ottoman Butchers to Jews in Baghdad 05:24  |  Fullu 04/11/07
      25.   TURKEY and The JEWS 05:32  |  Comonsense 04/11/07
      26.   MAUREN AN, MAUREN AN, MAUREN AN, Where are you my dear? 05:48  |  Jalal Shaid 04/11/07
      27.   Ottoman empire 06:09  |  andrew 04/11/07
      28.   Turkey seeks right to build monument in J`lem old city 06:26  |  Martin List,M.D. 04/11/07
      29.   Indeed why not 06:52  |  James McNamara 04/11/07
      30.   No More Muslim Monuments in Jews HOliest City - Stop the Insanity 07:12  |  J 04/11/07
      31.   Monument for the Crusaders 07:32  |  dan 04/11/07
      32.   Turkey 07:33  |  Steve 04/11/07
      33.   A monument for those who died defending the Byzantine Empire 07:49  |  hala 04/11/07
      34.   # 8 who you calling "we" two-face? 07:50  |  eric 04/11/07
      35.   Monmuments 07:56  |  Arabist 04/11/07
      36.   A Grand Synagogue In Istanbul 08:19  |  MJ 04/11/07
      37.   #26. Bad news... 09:06  |  Maureen Ann 04/11/07
      38.   This is obviously a matter that should be discussed and decided 09:07  |  Uri 04/11/07
      39.   PM`s office supports it 09:10  |  Michael 04/11/07
      40.   monuments to world greatest killers 09:27  |  joe 04/11/07
      41.   Jerusalem being part of the sovereign state of Israel, is not 09:28  |  Maya 04/11/07
      42.   to # 26 Not a comedian 09:38  |  Steve the Pals. 04/11/07
      43.   IDIOT SUBJECT and SHUT UP YOU RACIST POSTERS ! 10:03  |  ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU 04/11/07
      44.   To all Armenian attackers here 10:03  |  Steve the Pals. 04/11/07
      45.   HAARETZ ! YOU REALY IDIOT ! YOU KNOW THAT ? 10:05  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 04/11/07
      46.   ISRAEL IS STILL THE OCCUPIER OF THE OLD CITY 10:07  |  indrajaya 04/11/07
      47.   to Atilla 10:28  |  Nick 04/11/07
      48.   re: eric 10:30  |  Efox 04/11/07
      49.   THE ARMENIANS LOUGHING AT WORLD, HOW CAN THESE POOR MINDS ... 10:43  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 04/11/07
      50.   I WANT TO SEE A RESPONSIBLE HAARETZ, BIG HAARETZ 10:47  |  Atilla 04/11/07
      51.   try to have good relation with Turkey, and to learn INSANITY 10:50  |  LOVE 04/11/07
      52.   You deep The Armenian Snakes, have you seen black blind snake ? 10:53  |  Atilla 04/11/07
      53.   A National Feast 10:54  |  Bandar Michaels 04/11/07
      54.   #36, MJ. If there`s anything called reciprocity... 10:55  |  zmogus 04/11/07
      55.   INDRAJAYA.Need a monument for all Chinese,Timorese 10:56  |  PETER S.M. 04/11/07
      56.   to Nick 11:04  |  Atilla 04/11/07
      57.   Who was Adva Fisher ? 11:13  |  Dubi 04/11/07
      58.   # 55, PETER SM 11:14  |  indrajaya 04/11/07
      59.   Ya, let`s celebrate the retarded ottoman empire !! 11:21  |  Hyporicy Monitor 04/11/07
      60.   zmogus and his posts 11:24  |  yehuda shalev 04/11/07
      61.   PROPHETS DONT TALK BAD ABOUT EACH OTHER, But we do talk ! 11:45  |  why 04/11/07
      62.   to atila 11:45  |  israel 04/11/07
      63.   I wish you all come to Istanbul and... 11:52  |  ...... 04/11/07
      64.   to : israel 12:00  |  Atilla 04/11/07
      65.   The war of the monuments, and the end of memory 12:03  |  zmogus 04/11/07
      66.   Nick, My Achi 12:08  |  ... 04/11/07
      67.   INDRAJAYA.I know I score a hit when your second message 12:21  |  PETER S.M. 04/11/07
      68.   Absolutely not! 12:32  |  Palestinian Prince 04/11/07
      69.   to israel 12:56  |  engineer63 04/11/07
      70.   #60, yehuda shalev and his posts 13:18  |  zmogus 04/11/07
      71.   Armenian Genocide 13:19  |  Pauline 04/11/07
      72.   My family & Turkey 13:44  |  Tuvia 04/11/07
      73.   Ottoman Empire 14:06  |  Naim S. Mahlab 04/11/07
      74.   so called Genocide 14:07  |  engineer63 04/11/07
      75.   Ottomans 14:12  |  Naim S. Mahlab 04/11/07
      76.   Please dont publish this 14:17  |  Eggman 04/11/07
      77.   Tuvia, where in Turkey did your family settle? 14:25  |  stork 04/11/07
      78.   ron - u r stranger 14:48  |  Imad 04/11/07
      79.   Build a Monument for Lawrence of Arabia 14:48  |  Ovadiah ben Avraham 04/11/07
      80.   The Turkish Monument is a good reality check! 15:09  |  Alicia 04/11/07
      81.   Make monument for Richard the Lion Heart 15:13  |  Tamir Palestine 04/11/07
      82.   RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN HOLOCAUST 15:13  |  BKS 04/11/07
      83.   how about a monument to the egyptians 15:14  |  victor hardman 04/11/07
      84.   The English fought the Turkish and kicked them out of Palestine 15:18  |  Tamir Palestine 04/11/07
      85.   Allow Monument to Attaturk 15:29  |  Jane 04/11/07
      86.   Micah 15:40  |  sam 04/11/07
      87.   To both MJ and Zmogus 15:40  |  Michael 04/11/07
      88.   I want a Star of David flying in Medina 15:43  |  SystemF 04/11/07
      89.   #4 Maureen Ann Why not leave Australia 15:48  |  * BEN JABO 04/11/07
      90.   #19 Jalal Shaid 15:52  |  * BEN JABO 04/11/07
      91.   to turks and their blind supporters 15:52  |  Viken 04/11/07
      92.   So, censoring again. 15:54  |  Micha 04/11/07
      93.   #46 Inrajaya 15:58  |  * BEN JABO 04/11/07
      94.   I would much rather see a monument built to 16:02  |  * BEN JABO 04/11/07
      95.   where is that turkey johnboy today? 16:03  |  attilla 04/11/07
      96.   #77 (stork) 16:06  |  Tuvia 04/11/07
      97.   to viken 16:27  |  engineer63 04/11/07
      98.   We should all be SO HAPPY the Ottomans disapeared! 16:43  |  Basat Tayfun(Turkey) 04/11/07
      99.   What is difference between monument & idol? 16:44  |  ??????? 04/11/07
      100.   Moron Ann # 18 16:50  |  ChanahS 04/11/07
      101.   still a hun, atilla 43? 17:00  |  frenz 04/11/07
      102.   atilla unhinged 17:06  |  frenz 04/11/07
      103.   I propose a monument to the Arabs who fought 17:08  |  * BEN JABO 04/11/07
      104.   Most Christians understand; God established the boarders for 17:09  |  Heart of Wonder 04/11/07
      105.   Consider it an honor to Jerusalem 17:09  |  Tosefta 04/11/07
      106.   Steve the Pals. , you need to read carefully 17:10  |  Viken 04/11/07
      107.   Taboo 17:14  |  Ethel 04/11/07
      108.   Taboo (2) 17:16  |  Ethel 04/11/07
      109.   Taboo (3) 17:29  |  Ethel 04/11/07
      110.   Dear engineer63 , about the archives 17:35  |  Viken 04/11/07
      111.   Only hate filled racists would oppose the monument 17:51  |  anti-racist 04/11/07
      112.   # 105, Isaiah 2:2 expresses the perfect reason for peace between 17:52  |  Abraham`sNations 04/11/07
      113.   The Shofars will be heard and Israel will proclaim w/a loud voice 17:59  |  Imagine 04/11/07
      114.   As for me, I will run and not grow weary, walk and not faint 18:02  |  I am waiting 04/11/07
      115.   to frenz 18:06  |  engineer63 04/11/07
      116.   anti-racist your name must be more like 18:13  |  Viken 04/11/07
      117.   ask the armenians.... 18:29  |  ravi 04/11/07
      118.   The plot the Waqf has allocated s five meters f 18:32  |  Chick 04/11/07
      119.   Wa kf... just thumb in eye 18:46  |  Realist 04/11/07
      120.   Israel sells it`s honor to the Turks 18:53  |  leven5 04/11/07
      121.   Tosefta # 105 Monument, OK. Flag, No 19:30  |  Jeff Northridge 04/11/07
      122.   Where is my (MY) Atilla Karagozoglu ? 19:38  |  Tali Farkash 04/11/07
      123.   Feel free torture Atilla`s body, BUT ! His soul belongs to US ! 19:42  |  Tali Farkash 04/11/07
      124.   some nice friends 20:14  |  Kris 04/11/07
      125.   Flag (Jeff Northridge #121) 20:24  |  Tosefta 04/11/07
      126.   time to `engineer` your way home 20:26  |  frenz 04/11/07
      127.   Viken - How about hiding Aremnian documents 20:35  |  David Isarel 04/11/07
      128.   tayfun Basat - I agree with you about Ottomans disappeaance 20:45  |  David Israel 04/11/07
      129.   Chick # 118 The Islamic Waqf 20:49  |  Jeff Northridge 04/11/07
      130.   To Every Thing There Is a Season 20:52  |  mhung 04/11/07
      131.   leven5 # 120 Hey, The Great War Is Over! 21:41  |  Jeff Northridge 04/11/07
      132.   The plot thickens.(Pure Spin). 21:57  |  Stephen. 04/11/07
      133.   Tall Tales - 22:00  |  Ethel 04/11/07
      134.   Taboo and the "G" word 22:10  |  Ethel 04/11/07
      135.   Ridiculous! Ottoman empire was a scourge on the earth and killed 23:08  |  Reuven 04/11/07
      136.   ravi who will build a monument to the slaughtered 23:13  |  guru nanak 04/11/07
      137.   #111 Anti-Racist (LOL) 23:21  |  * BEN JABO 04/11/07
      138.   #94 *Ben Jabo. Was the white flag saved? 23:56  |  Maureen Ann 04/11/07
      139.   3129 Jeff Northridge - Waqf an enemy of Judaism 00:33  |  Chick 05/11/07
      140.   Waqf Questions for Jeff Northridge or anyone 00:41  |  Chick 05/11/07
      141.   Maureen Ann # 138 - You hven`t answered my # 100 00:53  |  ChanahS 05/11/07
      142.   #Atilla. The man of peace! 00:58  |  Maureen Ann 05/11/07
      143.   In exchange for the Siloam inscription 01:31  |  Ben G. 05/11/07
      144.   Hashemites 01:40  |  Ethel 05/11/07
      145.   I find it a very strange request from the Turks 01:41  |  sweis Melbourne 05/11/07
      146.   Ottoman Monument 01:53  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      147.   Maureen Ann # 138 02:01  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      148.   Thanks to Israel 02:39  |  Mert Balta 05/11/07
      149.   #141 Say Chanah 03:10  |  ballistic 05/11/07
      150.   About armenian issue 03:27  |  Mert Balta 05/11/07
      151.   #141 Hi ChanahS. (Part 1) 03:44  |  Maureen Ann 05/11/07
      152.   Maureen # 151- do not change history 04:27  |  Avrum 05/11/07
      153.   #ChanahS (part2) More references. 04:33  |  Maureen Ann 05/11/07
      154.   MAUREN AN, MAUREN AN, MAUREN AN, Where are you my dear? 04:43  |  Jalal Shahid 05/11/07
      155.   Ethel - about Tall Tales 04:44  |  David Israel 05/11/07
      156.   Maureen Ann - Aboriginies of Palestine 04:48  |  David Israel 05/11/07
      157.   MORON BUM just confirmed ChanahS is correct. Now what about ..... 04:59  |  Genuine Tosefta 05/11/07
      158.   Mert Balta # 150 05:17  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      159.   Mert Balta you seem to want to be a friend to Jews and Israel 05:17  |  Genuine Tosefta 05/11/07
      160.   #152Phillipe #147Avrum. The man who allegedly said... 06:31  |  Maureen Ann 05/11/07
      161.   Genuine Tosefta # 159 07:13  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      162.   MAUREN AN, MAUREN AN, MAUREN AN, Where are you my dear? 07:46  |  Jalal Shahid 05/11/07
      163.   Ever Hear Of General George Armstrong Custer? 07:47  |  Yosemite 05/11/07
      164.   #138 Maureen Ann pt. 1 of 2 07:55  |  * BEN JABO 05/11/07
      165.   #138-2 Maureen Ann Part 2 of 2 08:01  |  * BEN JABO 05/11/07
      166.   #140 Chick 08:03  |  * BEN JABO 05/11/07
      167.   #147 Phillipe 08:08  |  * BEN JABO 05/11/07
      168.   #148 - Mert Balta 08:11  |  Eyal 05/11/07
      169.   "Ottomans turned ME into a desert..." and it deserves a monument 08:17  |  Mehmet K 05/11/07
      170.   Maureen Ann # 160 08:18  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      171.   Maureen Ann # 160 P2 08:24  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      172.   Maureen Ann # 160 P3 08:27  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      173.   Maureen Ann # 160 P4 08:34  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      174.   Maureen Ann # 160 P5 08:37  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      175.   We don`t want a Turkish monument 08:42  |  The Arab Hammer 05/11/07
      176.   Maureen Ann - You final home awaits 08:44  |  * BEN JABO 05/11/07
      177.   #160 Maureen Ann 08:57  |  Ddaybreak 05/11/07
      178.   Turkey seeks right to build monument in J`lem old city 09:28  |  Martin List,M.D. 05/11/07
      179.   Ben Jabo # 167 09:38  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      180.   It is ironic that Mehmet writes from occupied Constantinople 09:57  |  Genuine Tosefta 05/11/07
      181.   #160 Maureen Ann Part 2 10:08  |  Daybreak 05/11/07
      182.   Philippe, it is useless to talk to BUM about facts and logic 10:09  |  Genuine Tosefta 05/11/07
      183.   #43 Are you referring to Maureen Ann 10:18  |  MJ 05/11/07
      184.   Read: Turkey Seeks Right To Fly Turkish Flag In Jerusalem 11:19  |  The End Is Nigh 05/11/07
      185.   Americans Deserve Monument Too 12:03  |  Not Amused 05/11/07
      186.   why for the Ottomans ? 12:04  |  Alex 05/11/07
      187.   Islam does not preach hatred against the Jews 12:08  |  peacenik 05/11/07
      188.   #45 12:12  |  Alex 05/11/07
      189.   Ottoman monument (not ironic) 12:49  |  Mehmet K 05/11/07
      190.   I think that is a great idea Dr. List, with a full history on ea. 12:49  |  Virginia 05/11/07
      191.   #180 All hail the great Genuine Tosefta 13:01  |  Mehmet K 05/11/07
      192.   #75 Islam does not preach hatred against the Jews 13:02  |  peacenik 05/11/07
      193.   Ottoman monument in Jer 14:08  |  Roland 05/11/07
      194.   to: Jeff Northridge 14:37  |  leven5 05/11/07
      195.   to: Alex #186 14:42  |  leven5 05/11/07
      196.   anti-turkishness 14:48  |  Osman Karajan 05/11/07
      197.   Osman Karajan - True but not correct 15:45  |  David Israel 05/11/07
      198.   Peace 17:33  |  Ethel 05/11/07
      199.   to leven5 18:06  |  Alex 05/11/07
      200.   How about.... 18:27  |  TAZ 05/11/07
      201.   knock down the ugly golden pimple on the face of Jerusalem 18:34  |  TAZ 05/11/07
      202.   Osman Karajan - True but not correct 18:38  |  David Israel 05/11/07
      203.   Not amused # 185 20:51  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      204.   #179 Phillipe 20:59  |  * BEN JABO 05/11/07
      205.   #187 peacenik 21:03  |  * BEN JABO 05/11/07
      206.   to James Mcnamara 21:05  |  skylark 05/11/07
      207.   Genuine Tosefta # 182 21:23  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      208.   The arrogance of a gone by Empire in Mehmet K 21:29  |  Genuine Tosefta 05/11/07
      209.   Ben Jabo # 204 21:39  |  Philippe 05/11/07
      210.   Yeah, you are right Philippe, it is exactly MORON BUM 21:54  |  Genuine Tosefta 05/11/07
      211.   Genuine Tosefta..dividing Turkey 22:47  |  Mike 05/11/07
      212.   No Way Jose! 23:31  |  Alan 05/11/07
      213.   Mike 23:39  |  Alan 05/11/07
      214.   #128 - David; i agree, but my point is not that 23:41  |  Basat Tayfun (Turkey 05/11/07
      215.   #196 and #197 - David and Osman - real close 23:48  |  Basat Tayfun 05/11/07
      216.   Leven5 00:16  |  Ethel 06/11/07
      217.   Mongolia, Turkey, Japan 00:32  |  Ethel 06/11/07
      218.   Tayfun Basat 00:52  |  David Israel 06/11/07
      219.   #134. Ethel - A suggestion for your thesis part 1 01:02  |  Basat Tayfun(Turkey) 06/11/07
      220.   #107. Ethel - Another quick bit of data for your thesis research 01:22  |  Basat Tayfun(Turkey) 06/11/07
      221.   Got it right Mike, same argument is true about dividing Israel 02:12  |  Genuine Tosefta 06/11/07
      222.   #209 Phillipe - I can partially console myself 02:22  |  * BEN JABO 06/11/07
      223.   #160 Maureen Ann - Your grandmother 02:27  |  * BEN JABO 06/11/07
      224.   #210 Genuine Tosefta 02:28  |  * BEN JABO 06/11/07
      225.   Ben Jabo # 222 03:52  |  Philippe 06/11/07
      226.   Ben Jabo # 222 P2 03:55  |  Philippe 06/11/07
      227.   Thank you Basat 04:11  |  Ethel 06/11/07
      228.   #218. I agree - Varlik Vergisi was wrong, pure and simple 04:54  |  Basat Tayfun(Turkey) 06/11/07
      229.   #225. Ethel - Good luck 05:22  |  Basat Tayfun(Turkey) 06/11/07
      230.   Kurtlar vadisi - Irak (Valley of the Wolves) Turkish movie 2006 05:27  |  Genuine Tosefta 06/11/07
      231.   BEN JABO the best thing to do to BUM is to keep pounding on her 05:33  |  Genuine Tosefta 06/11/07
      232.   Sorry, Turks, you are sexist 07:36  |  hala 06/11/07
      233.   # 48 to efox, the dung is getting deeper 07:57  |  eric 06/11/07
      234.   #202 David... You are absolutely WRONG 12:03  |  Osman Karajan 06/11/07
      235.   #230 Genuine Tosefta 12:14  |  Osman Karajan 06/11/07
      236.   #26 LOL. Thanks Funny guy!!!! 14:23  |  Petra 06/11/07
      237.   #37 I don`t know, he seemed pretty funny to me. 14:25  |  Petra 06/11/07
      238.   #42 Not a comedian HARSH CRITIC 14:27  |  Petra 06/11/07
      239.   Osman Karjan - Your numbers are not accurate 16:39  |  David Israel 06/11/07
      240.   Osman Karajan, in a state of denial 20:46  |  Jake 06/11/07
      241.   Osman Karajan my heart goes out to you 20:49  |  Genuine Tosefta 06/11/07
      242.   Turkish-German Friendship Treaty of 1941 21:18  |  Jake 06/11/07
      243.   jake - about Jewish immigrations ships 22:40  |  David Israel 06/11/07
      244.   Yes, David Israel, correct 23:39  |  Jake 06/11/07
      245.   #242. Jake - Be fair, be aware 02:21  |  Basat Tayfun(Turkey) 07/11/07
      246.   #243 - David Israel 03:15  |  * BEN JABO 07/11/07
      247.   Jake, Osman is an Armenian convert to Islam, they are among the 03:23  |  Genuine Tosefta 07/11/07
      248.   to liar Viken Ottawa 13:30  |  skylark 11/11/07
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