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Israel refuses to open talks with Lebanon over Shaba Farms
By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent
tags: Lebanon, envoy, Shaba Farms 

Israel has refused a recommendation by a United Nations ambassador to begin negotiations with Lebanon over the disputed Shaba Farms area. According to the envoy, Geir Pedersen, the United Nations is becoming increasingly convinced that Shaba Farms belongs to Lebanon.

During a meeting recently with Amos Gilad, the head of the Political-Military Bureau at the Defense Ministry, Pedersen said that "the UN believes that there is merit in the Lebanese claims of sovereignty over Shaba Farms."

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he Norwegian diplomat stressed it would be beneficial if Israel initiated negotiations over this issue.

During the coming weeks the UN Security Council is expected to receive another report on the implementation of its Resolution 1701, which brought the Second Lebanon War to an end.

Pedersen authored the first report, which made no mention of Shaba Farms following intense Israeli pressure.

However, the several months hiatus this pressure bought Israel may be coming to an end following a series of meetings Pedersen held here recently with senior officials at the foreign and defense ministries and with the Israel Defense Forces.

The Shaba Farms, situated in a sensitive spot where the borders of Syria, Israel and Lebanon meet, has long been a point of contention but assumed added significance after Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon, because Hezbollah insists it is Lebanese territory still under Israeli occupation.

The farms are part of what was the French Mandate over the territory that today are Syria and Lebanon. The border was established in a 1923 agreement between Britain and France and was not precisely marked on the ground.

Following Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon, the Lebanese argued that Shaba Farms is part of their sovereign territory. However, after the IDF pulled out of Lebanon in May 2002 the UN maintained that the territory was part of the Golan Heights (part of Syria) and its future would be decided in negotiations between Damascus and Jerusalem.

After last year's war the efforts to clearly mark the border between Syria and Lebanon began. The two countries claim sovereignty over several border areas, including Shaba Farms. Since the border marking process began, Israel's position was that it would not discuss the sovereignty of Shaba Farms until a decision was made whether the area was Lebanese or Syrian.

In recent months, both Lebanon and Syria proposed that the disputed land temporarily be placed under UN control, until the demarcation of the border is completed. Israel refused.

During his meeting with Gilad, the UN envoy noted that the evidence boosts the Lebanese claims. Pedersen said it may be advisable for Israel to agree to separate negotiations with the government of Lebanon on the Shaba Farms to resolve the issue.

Gilad turned down the proposal, saying "we will not agree to resolving this issue separately. Every agreement with Lebanon will be part of a single package."

In recent months, Miklos Pinter, a UN cartographer, has been working on determining the size of the Shaba Farms area. His report has still not been completed.

However, it may be that in the upcoming report on Resolution 1701, some of the findings of Pinter's report will be included.

In a report to UN headquarters, Pedersen wrote that Israeli officials, including Gilad, were critical of Pinter's work claiming "there are technical mistakes in the UN work on the Shaba Farms issue."

Nonetheless, in Israel officials are confident that Pedersen's upcoming report to the Security Council will not require Israel to carry out significant steps in the matter.

"From our point of view this issue is off the agenda for good," senior political sources said. "There is no point in talking about this any more. We have no room to show flexibility on this matter because that only strengthen's Hezbollah and does not serve [Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad] Siniora."


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      1.   In the immortal words of 04:51  |  Mark Lincoln 19/10/07
      2.   Despite all the rhetoric Syria has yet to officially agree 05:12  |  Genuine Tosefta 19/10/07
      3.   Whose land is it? 05:19  |  Omran 19/10/07
      4.   Obvious 05:20  |  ron 19/10/07
      5.   Shaba Farms 05:25  |  Jake 19/10/07
      6.   israel will NOT withdraw from shaba farms 05:34  |  VIPER 19/10/07
      7.   Israel`s Double Standard 05:57  |  Double Click 19/10/07
      8.   What`s the point of UN recognition if it refuses to back it up? 05:57  |  Gili 19/10/07
      9.   UN called for the return of our hostages in Lebanon 06:29  |  Dan 19/10/07
      10.   SHABA?WHOLE LEBANON IS PROMSED JEWISH HOLY LAND &WILL BE ISRAEL`S 06:35  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 19/10/07
      11.   #2 GT failed to read Resolution 1701 06:42  |  Johnboy 19/10/07
      12.   #3 Omran needs some help 06:49  |  Johnboy 19/10/07
      13.   the UN wants EVERY INCH of Israel to be given away like salami 06:53  |  amir 19/10/07
      14.   Claim based on some grandfather pitched a tent on a Turk`s Lawn 07:02  |  Efox 19/10/07
      15.   #8 Hmmmm, Gili appears to be behind the times 07:03  |  Johnboy 19/10/07
      16.   re: Double Click 07:04  |  Efox 19/10/07
      17.   re: Omran 07:12  |  Efox 19/10/07
      18.   Norwegians still blame Israel for Oslo failure 07:28  |  Dr. Dave 19/10/07
      19.   Give Us Your Land, Decrease Your Security - Trust Me 07:29  |  J 19/10/07
      20.   UN ShmUN... 07:33  |  Fortuna Benmayor 19/10/07
      21.   What a stupid demand.Hand over Syrian land without Syrian consent 07:34  |  PETER S.M. 19/10/07
      22.   Re: Dan 07:38  |  100 % Lebanese 19/10/07
      23.   Get rid of Shaba, sooner the better 07:49  |  Esther 19/10/07
      24.   To Moshiach 07:50  |  JK 19/10/07
      25.   #9 Dan needs to take a class in "UNese English" 07:52  |  Johnboy 19/10/07
      26.   Mark Lincoln # 1 08:28  |  Philippe 19/10/07
      27.   You can`t have it. It`s ours, We`re keeping it. Sod off 08:29  |  Clickfool 19/10/07
      28.   NO off topic points 08:29  |  fadi 19/10/07
      29.   For Voice of Moshiach # 10 08:33  |  Clickfool 19/10/07
      30.   Even Israel Says it is not Israeli Land 08:41  |  Sam 19/10/07
      31.   Israels has two rules when dealing with the Arabs 09:03  |  Natallie Durson 19/10/07
      32.   Shaba Shame 09:34  |  Henon 19/10/07
      33.   For Natallie #21 09:43  |  Esther 19/10/07
      34.   What a joke the UN has become 09:44  |  Stan 19/10/07
      35.   #16 johnboy and the usual faux pas 09:44  |  victor hardman 19/10/07
      36.   Sheba is Lebanese - read Kaufman 09:48  |  Mod 19/10/07
      37.   From a sober point of view..... 09:48  |  Anton 19/10/07
      38.   Esther 09:53  |  Israeli 19/10/07
      39.   Norway can stick it! 09:56  |  Michael 19/10/07
      40.   Omran 09:56  |  Walid 19/10/07
      41.   Fadi, the typical anti-Israel Arab 09:58  |  Michael 19/10/07
      42.   @21 Durson 09:59  |  Ralph 19/10/07
      43.   Keep Shaba, but share Jerusalem...... 10:00  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      44.   Clicky`s take on religion 10:04  |  Stan 19/10/07
      45.   oops, we made a mistake 10:12  |  Barry 19/10/07
      46.   For Stan, on the Funnies # 37 10:16  |  Clickfool 19/10/07
      47.   This is a bit blurred, to say the least 10:16  |  Yaakov Sullivan 19/10/07
      48.   For Barry, on UN mistakes 10:25  |  Clickfool 19/10/07
      49.   Fool Israelis. Build many homes above the empty farms, make fence 10:26  |  Tamir Palestine 19/10/07
      50.   michaels input 10:26  |  fadi 19/10/07
      51.   Re Israeli #31 10:26  |  Esther 19/10/07
      52.   Lets share the cake for the sake of peace in the region 10:30  |  Tamir Palestine 19/10/07
      53.   I am not a believer either Clicky, but... 10:37  |  Stan 19/10/07
      54.   #35 Victor needs some english lessons 10:42  |  Johnboy 19/10/07
      55.   Clickfool and Natallie 10:42  |  S 19/10/07
      56.   Israel and Irak 10:49  |  Aziz 19/10/07
      57.   Norway-a communist state 10:51  |  Rachel 19/10/07
      58.   #37 Anton thinks Israel was the first port of call... 10:55  |  Johnboy 19/10/07
      59.   #21 Man you are clueless PETER SM 11:08  |  Johnboy 19/10/07
      60.   Rachel on Statecraft of Norway #57 11:10  |  Yaakov Sullivan 19/10/07
      61.   Moshiach and Herzel`s doomed vision 11:14  |  Truths 19/10/07
      62.   Aziz, torture on minors & the like 11:24  |  Stan 19/10/07
      63.   number 10, who are you? 11:33  |  elsie 19/10/07
      64.   Fadi 11:36  |  Walid 19/10/07
      65.   UN bending backwards and shifting positions 11:38  |  Ehud 19/10/07
      66.   For S # 55 11:39  |  Clickfool 19/10/07
      67.   `read this 11:42  |  Ali 19/10/07
      68.   For Stan # 53 11:44  |  Clickfool 19/10/07
      69.   Darfour population less important than shena 11:44  |  trumpeldor 19/10/07
      70.   re: Esther 11:48  |  Efox 19/10/07
      71.   Israel is above international law 11:50  |  Stan 19/10/07
      72.   Shaba Farms 11:54  |  Peter XM 19/10/07
      73.   re: Swiss (Dino) 11:55  |  Efox 19/10/07
      74.   #54johnboy and again half a loaf! 11:56  |  victor hardman 19/10/07
      75.   Rachel on Norway`s politics 12:03  |  Stan 19/10/07
      76.   #25 videogameboy teaches "UNese English" 12:08  |  peter 19/10/07
      77.   Israel is absolutely right 12:10  |  Jonathan S 19/10/07
      78.   declare all of Golan part of Lebanon 12:14  |  rehovot 19/10/07
      79.   Re Efox #70, 73 12:17  |  Esther 19/10/07
      80.   negotiate with lebanon or hizbullah? 12:19  |  peter 19/10/07
      81.   walid 12:22  |  fadi 19/10/07
      82.   Re Walid #40, 64 12:28  |  Esther 19/10/07
      83.   Clicky the believer (apparently) 12:28  |  Stan 19/10/07
      84.   Where is the advantage of holding on something 12:31  |  Arik 19/10/07
      85.   Jonathan S 12:32  |  Walid 19/10/07
      86.   re: rehovot 12:32  |  Efox 19/10/07
      87.   First give back the soldiers!! 12:35  |  Lynn 19/10/07
      88.   Lebanon does not recognise any part of Israel 12:40  |  Briton 19/10/07
      89.   # 73 Efox Reason to worry...??? 12:41  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      90.   # 22 no name .........FORGET IT! 12:45  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 19/10/07
      91.   Of course Israel refuses 12:48  |  Daniel 19/10/07
      92.   to Johnboy#25 12:49  |  nina 19/10/07
      93.   Johnboy # Various Posts The Shebaa Farms 12:51  |  Jeff Northridge 19/10/07
      94.   28 AS COMPARED TO WHO? 12:51  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 19/10/07
      95.   85: As usual, Walid`s avoiding 12:54  |  David Teich 19/10/07
      96.   Fadi 12:57  |  Walid 19/10/07
      97.   78: rehovot can`t think logically 12:58  |  David Teich 19/10/07
      98.   No to Intrusion 12:59  |  Brod 19/10/07
      99.   who is "Yaakov" 12:59  |  g 19/10/07
      100.   100 % Lebanese - CAREFUL, U Might Tread On A Cluster Bomblet 13:00  |  Marksy 19/10/07
      101.   Ali # 67 That`s Fine With Me 13:02  |  Jeff Northridge 19/10/07
      102.   Lynn 13:03  |  Walid 19/10/07
      103.   Esther: get rid of Sheba 13:04  |  g 19/10/07
      104.   Esther: get rid of Sheba 13:06  |  g 19/10/07
      105.   Clickfool - Errr Yah ! It`s Ours We Won The Territory in DEFENCE! 13:10  |  Marksy 19/10/07
      106.   Clickfool #66 13:15  |  S 19/10/07
      107.   Syria`s non-recognition of Lebanon 13:25  |  Dr. Stephen Rees 19/10/07
      108.   #22 100 % Lebanese 13:27  |  Axel 19/10/07
      109.   WALID -the U.S SHORT OF WATER??? 13:31  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 19/10/07
      110.   Esther 13:36  |  Israeli 19/10/07
      111.   Wow, walid will stand stone in hand 13:53  |  peter 19/10/07
      112.   Here we go again, this time its "g" in "f"land 13:55  |  Yaakov Sullivan 19/10/07
      113.   # 73 Efox Little correction to my # 89 13:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      114.   #109 Jon Feigenbaum 14:11  |  Chris Linthwaite 19/10/07
      115.   # 89 DINO - our sarcastic friend 14:26  |  17 19/10/07
      116.   It`s about time Israel go tough about land annexed after 5 14:30  |  Reuven 19/10/07
      117.   Jon Feigenbaum 14:31  |  Walid 19/10/07
      118.   For Stan again # 83 14:34  |  Clickfool 19/10/07
      119.   twisted logic 14:43  |  mohamed kochen 19/10/07
      120.   Jon Feigenbaum on Water 14:46  |  Walid 19/10/07
      121.   UN should decide on its own 14:48  |  Tosefta 19/10/07
      122.   # 14 Efox . WE FOUGHT AND WON IT BY THE BLOOD OF OUR SOLDIERS! 14:53  |  KATH` 19/10/07
      123.   To Yaakov Sullivan...Tosefta...the Syria friend 14:54  |  The Dumbite Kid 19/10/07
      124.   Same ol` bs 15:02  |  Michael N 19/10/07
      125.   interesting, editors 15:06  |  edgar 19/10/07
      126.   sullivan #47...it has nothing to do with that 15:07  |  SHIMON 19/10/07
      127.   #77, Jonathan S. 15:22  |  Anton 19/10/07
      128.   JON FEIGENBALM 15:42  |  Ibrahim 19/10/07
      129.   Click #46 16:01  |  Vatican Boy 19/10/07
      130.   Tosefta - Shaba Farms and shabby actions 16:20  |  Mark Lincoln 19/10/07
      131.   CNN Breaking News: Johnboy has won ! 16:20  |  Ed 19/10/07
      132.   All Can Be Solved if Syria/Lebanon Become Respectable 16:20  |  Secular Moral 19/10/07
      133.   Land is not the issue in M.E mentality is. 16:23  |  Abu Yusuf 19/10/07
      134.   How Assad trapped Israel into harming itself 16:24  |  Mark Lincoln 19/10/07
      135.   Any talk with Lebanon must be all inclusive, leading to a peace 16:24  |  Edna 19/10/07
      136.   Ibrahim and the Palestinians lack of water 16:26  |  Marksy 19/10/07
      137.   Aziz # 56 16:30  |  Halil abu Amar 19/10/07
      138.   Israel, the refusal state 16:31  |  Mark B. 19/10/07
      139.   Ibrahim 16:31  |  Walid 19/10/07
      140.   Ibrahim ; Again 16:38  |  Walid 19/10/07
      141.   Ibrahim about margie 16:39  |  Danite 19/10/07
      142.   IF.. 16:42  |  Danite 19/10/07
      143.   #15 16:43  |  Gili 19/10/07
      144.   Walid 16:44  |  Danite 19/10/07
      145.   Peter 16:45  |  Walid 19/10/07
      146.   Swiss Dino 16:46  |  Danite 19/10/07
      147.   Lebanon beat Israel, Lebanon owns Shaba Farms 16:53  |  Frank 19/10/07
      148.   # 115 17 16:56  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      149.   #80 Reality 16:56  |  Outsider 19/10/07
      150.   # 144 DINO - Jews in Basle in 1213 - Really holy 17:15  |  17 19/10/07
      151.   INDRARAT disappeared for a week from this forum & back 2 days ago 17:28  |  Genuine Tosefta 19/10/07
      152.   For Vatican Boy # 129 17:30  |  Clickfool 19/10/07
      153.   Very Good. Let`s Go Back To The Original Mandates 17:32  |  Chick 19/10/07
      154.   # 145 Danite Let the people make their judgement..... 17:34  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      155.   Don`t lose Shebaa farms to those asshole (Leb) 17:37  |  Tamir Palestine 19/10/07
      156.   The Danite 17:39  |  Walid 19/10/07
      157.   No surprise 17:39  |  jjvanka 19/10/07
      158.   Ibrahim-water 17:46  |  Mark T 19/10/07
      159.   Create rivers running down to Israel from Shebaa and Golan 17:48  |  Tamir Palestine 19/10/07
      160.   Abu Yusuf--mentality 17:52  |  Mark T 19/10/07
      161.   Abu Yusuf you are right and more 17:56  |  Genuine Tosefta 19/10/07
      162.   Danite...a question 18:05  |  Ibrahim 19/10/07
      163.   re: Esther 18:05  |  Efox 19/10/07
      164.   # 146 Frank,how could lebanon have won the war when they didn`t 18:05  |  terrornator 19/10/07
      165.   Second Attempt. Good. Very Good. 18:05  |  Chick 19/10/07
      166.   Who cares if it is Lenbanon 18:08  |  Sunny 19/10/07
      167.   Aziz 18:17  |  bereleh 19/10/07
      168.   UN Action Needed 18:21  |  Double Click 19/10/07
      169.   Soon the temptation to give away more will get to much for Olmert 18:27  |  zionist forever 19/10/07
      170.   to J #19 & others 18:30  |  Judah N. Wenkel 19/10/07
      171.   walid, land is not the issue it is the hate. 18:31  |  Halil abu Amar 19/10/07
      172.   #31 Natallie`s rules - you forgot some 18:33  |  ZS 19/10/07
      173.   # 89 Swiss(Dino) AHEMM.. 18:35  |  KATH` 19/10/07
      174.   Shaba Farms 18:46  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/10/07
      175.   Shebaa Farms is Lebanese 18:47  |  Michael Hess 19/10/07
      176.   Walid one question 18:48  |  Danite 19/10/07
      177.   THIRD ATTEMPT !! 18:48  |  Chick 19/10/07
      178.   to Margie in Tel Aviv 18:49  |  Judah N. Wenkel 19/10/07
      179.   Omran #3 - Shebaa Farms is an excuse 18:55  |  Moises 19/10/07
      180.   # 145 Danite Spare your nerves...... 18:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      181.   increasingly convinced 19:00  |  scallywag 19/10/07
      182.   very simple 19:02  |  Scharker Yid 19/10/07
      183.   "...becoming increasingly convinced" 19:02  |  Moises 19/10/07
      184.   # 149 17 19:04  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      185.   Israel is spitting in the face of those giving her a GIFT! 19:04  |  Pablo B 19/10/07
      186.   I`d like to see who disagrees with Cipora#156 and why. 19:08  |  S 19/10/07
      187.   Negotiate over Alta California 19:11  |  Moise Cohen 19/10/07
      188.   Negotiate over Alta California 19:11  |  Moise Cohen 19/10/07
      189.   MIchael Hess: like the stability in Pakistan today? 19:27  |  Polybios 19/10/07
      190.   Walid 151 19:41  |  Dakkar 19/10/07
      191.   Halil abu Amar # 136 What Illegal Weapons? 19:45  |  Jeff Northridge 19/10/07
      192.   # 160 KATH and the Rocky Horror Picture Show 19:48  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      193.   clarification of my # 156 posted comment. 19:50  |  Judah N. Wenkel 19/10/07
      194.   Michael Hess 159 19:52  |  Dakkar 19/10/07
      195.   Questions on Sheba Farms #174 19:59  |  Jonathan S 19/10/07
      196.   Polybios - Pakistan is not in the article 20:00  |  Michael Hess 19/10/07
      197.   Walid - water 20:03  |  Dakkar 19/10/07
      198.   Thank you Cipora # 174 20:04  |  Fortuna Benmayor 19/10/07
      199.   #3 Johnboy, Every point in your explanation 20:04  |  TOMY 19/10/07
      200.   Why Cipora is wrong (at request of "S") part 1 20:04  |  Pablo B 19/10/07
      201.   Re g #104 20:08  |  Esther 19/10/07
      202.   Swiss Dino 20:08  |  Ibrahim 19/10/07
      203.   For Kath about Switzerland 20:13  |  Jonathan S 19/10/07
      204.   #22 100%, I promise you , next time Hisbo 20:13  |  TOMY 19/10/07
      205.   Why Cipora is wrong (at request of "S") part 2 20:14  |  Pablo B 19/10/07
      206.   What Israel`s position should be 20:17  |  Chick 19/10/07
      207.   Ibrahim you are on the slippery slope 20:20  |  danite 19/10/07
      208.   Ibrahim #162 20:23  |  Danite 19/10/07
      209.   Miss the point, if U must, M. Hess #197 20:25  |  Polybios 19/10/07
      210.   #146, Danite 20:28  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/10/07
      211.   Ibrahim #202 20:35  |  Polybios 19/10/07
      212.   # 202 Ibrahim 20:38  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/10/07
      213.   # 184 DINO- "Swiss-Dino = Non-smoker" - good boy 20:38  |  17 19/10/07
      214.   Halil abu Amar 20:50  |  Walid 19/10/07
      215.   The Danite 20:57  |  Walid 19/10/07
      216.   Esther #23 21:16  |  Ostrich 19/10/07
      217.   Dakkar 21:19  |  Walid 19/10/07
      218.   @38 To Israeli 21:19  |  Ostrich 19/10/07
      219.   Israel holding out for billions from US 21:27  |  Whats new? 19/10/07
      220.   Scallywag @181 21:33  |  Ostrich 19/10/07
      221.   Danite & Judah 21:40  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 19/10/07
      222.   Dakkar 21:41  |  Walid 19/10/07
      223.   #10 Wish you the best of luck. 21:46  |  sam 19/10/07
      224.   Danite #142 21:57  |  TonyL 19/10/07
      225.   Shaba clearly on the Lebanese side 21:58  |  Frank 19/10/07
      226.   mythy clickfool 22:05  |  maria 19/10/07
      227.   To Clickool RE Voice of Moschiach 22:08  |  Jake 19/10/07
      228.   To Frank, #147 22:14  |  Jake 19/10/07
      229.   ? Shabby Farm? 22:19  |  Hami 19/10/07
      230.   Pablo B # 200 Cipora Is Right 22:20  |  Jeff Northridge 19/10/07
      231.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #174 22:20  |  TonyL 19/10/07
      232.   Walid, more and more drivel 22:23  |  Jake 19/10/07
      233.   Michael Hess, RE Polybios 22:34  |  Jake 19/10/07
      234.   #203 Re Margies so called peaceforum. 22:35  |  Labhras 19/10/07
      235.   @205 walid 22:41  |  Ostrich 19/10/07
      236.   The UN is dooming itself with foolhardy decisions 22:41  |  Jake 19/10/07
      237.   @181 To Scallywag 22:43  |  Ostrich 19/10/07
      238.   Johnboy 22:51  |  Jake 19/10/07
      239.   One day, the Americans can decide UN is O.A.T. 22:53  |  Jake 19/10/07
      240.   #145 Walid- will I catch something 22:56  |  peter 19/10/07
      241.   Walid thank you for the data on Israeli Water Theft 22:56  |  Ibrahim 19/10/07
      242.   who do we negotiate with? 23:04  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 19/10/07
      243.   Michael Hess, credibility is the key, credibility 23:05  |  Jake 19/10/07
      244.   Cipora never makes Earthly sense (S #186) 23:09  |  Tosefta 19/10/07
      245.   You Are All Missing The Point 23:09  |  Chick 19/10/07
      246.   re: Swiss (Dino) 23:10  |  Efox 19/10/07
      247.   # 102 Yes it is, Walid, very ugly 23:15  |  Lynn 19/10/07
      248.   Water power 23:23  |  Palestinian Brit 19/10/07
      249.   Ibrahim spare me the BS 23:48  |  Danite 19/10/07
      250.   Walid runs away 23:50  |  Danite 19/10/07
      251.   Labhras 23:52  |  Danite 19/10/07
      252.   Ibrahim and reflections 23:53  |  Danite 19/10/07
      253.   #244, Tosefta 00:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/10/07
      254.   # 203 Jonathan S, something you may be interested to hear.... 00:14  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      255.   # 210 Cipora Julianna Kohn 00:22  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      256.   # 211 Polybios 00:25  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      257.   S re: Tosefta #244 00:27  |  TonyL 20/10/07
      258.   Tosefta # 244 Let Go Or Be Dragged 00:43  |  Jeff Northridge 20/10/07
      259.   Swiss (Dino) #89 YESTERDAY you invited us Jews to SWITZERLAND 00:50  |  Gil 20/10/07
      260.   # 192 Dino (Swiss) No no Fairy Tales But Absolute Truth.. 00:50  |  Kathy. 20/10/07
      261.   Jeff Northridge-where was the Syrian approval in 2000? 00:51  |  Pablo B 20/10/07
      262.   Jake - Credibility 01:20  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      263.   to Ms. C. J. Kohn 01:34  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      264.   # 259 Gil, I`m afraid you got something wrong..... 01:36  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      265.   # 260 Kathy are you KATH....???? 01:43  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      266.   # 244 Tosefta..I THINK THIS SUBJECT HAS AFFECTED YOUR BRAIN,AND.. 01:46  |  Kathy 20/10/07
      267.   to # 262 Michael Hess 01:46  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      268.   117 WALID 01:47  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 20/10/07
      269.   AMIR #13, what is Israel giving up? 01:48  |  Palestinian Prince 20/10/07
      270.   IBRAHIM 128 01:51  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 20/10/07
      271.   #262 01:54  |  Tired of the lies 20/10/07
      272.   Walid #64, that`s the same problem with the OTs 01:54  |  Palestinian Prince 20/10/07
      273.   terrornator 01:59  |  frank 20/10/07
      274.   Danite, Walid is in a different timezone 01:59  |  Ibrahim 20/10/07
      275.   Dakkar - Hezbollah claims 02:04  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      276.   Polybios - Pakistan is not in the article 02:24  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      277.   #74 Victor just ain`t listening 02:25  |  Johnboy 20/10/07
      278.   Earth to Cipora J Cone #253: You are on the wrong planet 02:26  |  Tosefta 20/10/07
      279.   Thanks for your predictions (Jeff Northridge #258) 02:30  |  Tosefta 20/10/07
      280.   # 260 Dino(Swiss) Here It Is.Read it.Convinced or not.. 02:32  |  Kathy 20/10/07
      281.   For Swiss (Dino) on sharing Jerusalem 02:35  |  Ed 20/10/07
      282.   Jake - Polybios 02:49  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      283.   Israel occupation of Shaba justifies Hezbollah`s existence 02:51  |  Paul 20/10/07
      284.   Jake - 228 02:55  |  frank 20/10/07
      285.   RE #151 03:06  |  MaryRose 20/10/07
      286.   Walid 222 - water 03:09  |  Dakkar 20/10/07
      287.   Scallywag - 181 U.N. 03:12  |  Dakkar 20/10/07
      288.   Pablo B. 03:17  |  TonyL 20/10/07
      289.   Gil on Switzerland # 259 03:32  |  Philippe 20/10/07
      290.   Halil abu Amar # 171 03:35  |  Philippe 20/10/07
      291.   Walid # 214 03:38  |  Philippe 20/10/07
      292.   Walid 217 Samir Kuntar 03:41  |  Dakkar 20/10/07
      293.   Pablo B # 261 Syrian Approval 03:44  |  Jeff Northridge 20/10/07
      294.   Michael Hess 275 - Yes, agreed. 03:47  |  Dakkar 20/10/07
      295.   #261 You are correct, Pablo B (re Jeff Northridge) 03:51  |  Tosefta 20/10/07
      296.   ISRAELS big F**K YOU 03:52  |  VIPER 20/10/07
      297.   to # 262 Michael Hess 03:52  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      298.   Tosefta - politics, turf, and proving your an asshole 04:00  |  Mark Lincoln 20/10/07
      299.   Tired of the lies 04:02  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      300.   Living in la-la land - Tosefta 04:06  |  Mark Lincoln 20/10/07
      301.   #245 Chick gets it wrong. 04:14  |  Johnboy 20/10/07
      302.   Tosefta # 279 You`re Welcome 04:25  |  Jeff Northridge 20/10/07
      303.   #93 Jeff`s mastery statements of the obvious 04:26  |  Johnboy 20/10/07
      304.   for Tosefta & likeminded. 04:35  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      305.   #105 Marksy needs to practice what he preaches 04:40  |  Johnboy 20/10/07
      306.   Bingo TonyL 04:49  |  Mark T 20/10/07
      307.   kathy re tosefta 04:55  |  danite 20/10/07
      308.   Ibrahim 04:57  |  Danite 20/10/07
      309.   Swiss dino (3rd try) 04:59  |  Danite 20/10/07
      310.   #278, Tosefta, we just disagree 05:01  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/10/07
      311.   #283, Paul 05:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/10/07
      312.   Cipora Shalom 05:07  |  Danite 20/10/07
      313.   Ibrahim re walid 05:09  |  Danite 20/10/07
      314.   More evidence of Israel`s "commitment to peace" 05:17  |  peacelover 20/10/07
      315.   #295, Mark Lincoln 05:51  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/10/07
      316.   Johnboy 301 ....Chick Gets It Right 06:05  |  Chick 20/10/07
      317.   Danite 06:18  |  Walid 20/10/07
      318.   I am sure of it! 06:19  |  Jim 20/10/07
      319.   Ghastly Impostor and Pseudo-Intellectual turned Arab Hater #295 06:45  |  Genuine Tosefta 20/10/07
      320.   Resolution re: Shaba Farms a cakewalk in comparison to... 06:53  |  Smadar 20/10/07
      321.   Ostrich 06:59  |  Walid 20/10/07
      322.   TOP 6 POSTERS RE: THIS HAARETZ ARTICLE 07:02  |  Smadar 20/10/07
      323.   #295, Mark Lincoln 07:05  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      324.   UNSCR 1701, text and comment 1 07:08  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/10/07
      325.   Jim 07:19  |  Walid 20/10/07
      326.   UNSCR 1701, text and comment 2 07:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/10/07
      327.   Swiss (Dino) #264 Yesterdays You Offered us Your Homeland 07:31  |  Gil 20/10/07
      328.   #316 Chick still wrong, wrong, wrong 07:51  |  Johnboy 20/10/07
      329.   A safe bet 08:02  |  Colin Wright 20/10/07
      330.   Divide and rule - I am sure of that also! 08:04  |  Palestinian Brit 20/10/07
      331.   No More "open Talks" Until Arab Terror Infrastructure Dismantled 08:17  |  Mark Hamil 20/10/07
      332.   # 280 Kathy, got your point, but a question remains..... 08:50  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      333.   # 281 Ed 09:02  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      334.   # 309 Danite European and Canadian "mother-milk"..... 09:15  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      335.   # 327 Gil Sorry, my mistake....... 09:20  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      336.   # 289 Philippe, good point, but wrong city (country)...... 09:28  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      337.   # 322 Smadar 09:40  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      338.   For Maria # 227 09:54  |  Clickfool 20/10/07
      339.   For Jake # 227 09:56  |  Clickfool 20/10/07
      340.   Judah N.Wenkel - good mail 10:35  |  Reader 20/10/07
      341.   #336, Dino 10:41  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/10/07
      342.   Tosefta #278 10:44  |  S 20/10/07
      343.   Swiss (Dino) #335 I am Very Serious (what is a smiley) 11:07  |  Gil 20/10/07
      344.   Labhras (#234) Re Margie 11:21  |  Gil 20/10/07
      345.   # 246 Efox 11:47  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      346.   #342, S 12:00  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/10/07
      347.   # 336 Cipora Julianna Kohn 12:15  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      348.   # 343 Gil 12:16  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      349.   Swiss and racist Switzerland #254 12:25  |  Jonathan S 20/10/07
      350.   For Anton in Germany #127 12:51  |  Jonathan S 20/10/07
      351.   to 297 Michael Hess, part 1. 12:54  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      352.   Jonathan S 13:11  |  Walid 20/10/07
      353.   READ WAPO 13:21  |  Read WAPO 20/10/07
      354.   to 297 Michael Hess, part 2, 13:22  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      355.   # 349 Jonathan S and racism in Switzerland 13:30  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      356.   Blackmail or peacemaking? 342 13:30  |  Palestinian Brit 20/10/07
      357.   to 297 Michael Hess, part 3. 13:43  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      358.   #265 Dino (Swis) Short Reply.Yes I am The Same(Kath` is a Short) 13:57  |  Kathy 20/10/07
      359.   -to READER, a huge Thank YOU ! 14:06  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      360.   Wishful thinking about Hizbullies 14:08  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 20/10/07
      361.   For Swiss about the Swiss 14:19  |  Jonathan S 20/10/07
      362.   Danite, spare me the hypocracy 14:22  |  Ibrahim 20/10/07
      363.   For Walid 14:25  |  Jonathan S 20/10/07
      364.   #342 S, please read the article again 14:32  |  Tosefta 20/10/07
      365.   S 14:47  |  Walid 20/10/07
      366.   ISRAEL IS WORSE THAN MYANMAR MILITARY JUNTA 14:48  |  indrajaya 20/10/07
      367.   Palestinian Brit 14:54  |  Walid 20/10/07
      368.   Judah N Wenkel part 1 14:56  |  Labhras 20/10/07
      369.   ISRAEL withdrew from Lebanon to the cm required by the UN 14:56  |  PETER S.M. 20/10/07
      370.   Judah N Wenkel part 2 14:59  |  Labhras 20/10/07
      371.   to Ibrahim # 362 15:06  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      372.   # 361 Jonathan S The price of democracy 15:16  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      373.   Margie of SA 15:36  |  GABE1- 20/10/07
      374.   #360 Margie the so called peacenik 15:39  |  Labhras 20/10/07
      375.   305-videogameboy ests up a 2-legged chair 15:46  |  peter 20/10/07
      376.   # 361 Jonathan S A completion (2) 15:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 20/10/07
      377.   margie 360 16:00  |  realism 20/10/07
      378.   Judah N. Wenkel 16:01  |  peter 20/10/07
      379.   to Labhras # 365 16:09  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      380.   Johnboy # 303 There`s A Problem With That 16:14  |  Jeff Northridge 20/10/07
      381.   LABHRAS. What is Hamas the elected govt of Palestine offering? 16:19  |  PETER S.M. 20/10/07
      382.   mythy clickfool.....please read.... 16:21  |  maria 20/10/07
      383.   to Clickfool of Sussex # 339 16:22  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      384.   PAL.Brit.Confused again.Israel IS talking to Hesbala.Iran refuses 16:27  |  PETER S.M. 20/10/07
      385.   Margie 16:32  |  Walid 20/10/07
      386.   Judah N Wenkel part 2 correction 16:34  |  Labhras 20/10/07
      387.   #72 Peter XM 17:02  |  Space 20/10/07
      388.   to 297 Michael Hess, part 1. 17:11  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      389.   to Labhras # 366 17:18  |  Judah N. Wenkel 20/10/07
      390.   The other alternative Tosefta 17:38  |  Mark Lincoln 20/10/07
      391.   326 Cipora - roles clearly defined as "liaison", not negotiatiors 17:40  |  Pablo B 20/10/07
      392.   UNSCR 1701, text and comment 2 17:45  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      393.   Tosefta # 364 Hezbollah`s Raison d`Etre 17:46  |  Jeff Northridge 20/10/07
      394.   Johnboy -- Wrong Wrong and Wrong 17:55  |  Chick 20/10/07
      395.   #364 Tosefta 18:02  |  S 20/10/07
      396.   Swiss Dino 18:07  |  Danite 20/10/07
      397.   Swiss PS 18:08  |  Danite 20/10/07
      398.   Ibrahim please 18:12  |  Danite 20/10/07
      399.   Swiss Dino " a classic" 18:15  |  Danite 20/10/07
      400.   to 297 Michael Hess, part 3. 18:17  |  Michael Hess 20/10/07
      401.   Well done Israel- always ready to talk peace!!! 18:19  |  Don Camillo 20/10/07
      402.   Space---UN resolutions 18:41  |  Mark T 20/10/07
      403.   Michael Hess # 372 Take Your Arab Ultimatum And Shove It! I 18:46  |  Jeff Northridge 20/10/07
      404.   For Swiss (Dino) on sharing Jerusalem 18:49  |  Ed 20/10/07
      405.