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Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem greeting his Spanish counterpart Miguel Angel Moratinos upon his arrival in Damascus in July. (AP)
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Syria willing to transfer disputed Shaba Farms to UN custody
By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent

Syria is willing to transfer the Shaba Farms to the custody of the United Nations as part of an effort to resolve the sovereignty dispute over the area, which is currently under Israel's control.

The new Syrian position was outlined in a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon by Spain's Foreign Minister Miguel Moratinos, who visited Damascus last month.

Israeli political sources said Tuesday that Syria's offer is meant to put pressure on Jerusalem, which opposes any withdrawal from Shaba at this stage.

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Moratinos sent the letter to the UN secretary general two weeks ago, after discussing the matter with Syrian President Bashar Assad in Damascus.

In it, Moratinos, who was the European Union's special envoy to the Middle East before becoming Spain's foreign minister, wrote that Syria is willing to transfer the area to UN custody even before the international border between it and Lebanon has been fully demarcated. The UN has been engaged in marking the border for the past year.

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora said last year that he would also like to see Shaba transferred to UN custody.

The Shaba Farms, situated in the foothills of Har Dov at the point where the borders of Israel, Lebanon and Syria converge, used to be part of the French Mandate in Syria and Lebanon. The border, which followed a 1923 agreement between Britain and France, was never precisely demarcated.

In May 2000, following Israel's withdrawal from south Lebanon, the UN ruled that Shaba was part of the Golan Heights, and was therefore Syrian rather than Lebanese. It also said that Shaba's future should be determined in negotiations between Israel and Syria.

However, Lebanon claimed that Shaba was within its sovereign territory, and this provided Hezbollah with a pretext for continuing its military operations against Israel, in order to liberate the "occupied territory."

Following last year's Second Lebanon War, the UN began marking the international border between Syria and Lebanon, mainly in order to resolve the dispute over which country actually owns Shaba. Israel's position has been that there should be no discussion of Shaba's future until the UN makes a final decision on precisely where this border lies.

"There is no change in Israel's stance on the matter," a source in the Prime Minister's Bureau told Haaretz on Tuesday. "First, the demarcation of the border must be completed."

Senior Foreign Ministry officials told a Moratinos aide who visited Israel last week that there should be no discussions on Shaba "at our expense." They also warned that an Israel Defense Forces withdrawal from the area at this time would undermine Israel's interests and constitute a "prize" for Syria's ally, Hezbollah.

Israeli sources expressed dissatisfaction Tuesday at the fact that Spain did not officially inform Israel about the Moratinos letter to Ban Ki-moon. Israeli diplomats learned of its content by chance during talks at the UN.

The letter may contribute to the growing tension between Israel and Spain, initially sparked by a meeting Moratinos held with Hezbollah's deputy secretary general, Naim Qassem. Following that meeting, a Moratinos visit to Israel that had been scheduled for earlier this month was postponed until October.

UN mapping expert Miklos Pinter, who has been busy delineating the border area near Shaba, visited Israel two weeks ago to meet his Israeli counterparts. Next month, the UN is expected to publish a new report on the situation between Israel and Lebanon, and Pinter's findings may be included in the document.

Israeli officials are concerned that this report could spark renewed discussion of which country has sovereignty over Shaba Farms.
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  1.   Shaba Farms 03:17  |  Brod 26/09/07
  2.   I will say this! 03:19  |  Brad 26/09/07
  3.   How to stick it up Israels anal orifice 03:35  |  Mark Lincoln 26/09/07
  4.   The key paragraph, says it all 03:55  |  Avrum 26/09/07
  5.   Wait, don`t budge...... 03:55  |  Lynn 26/09/07
  6.   custody 03:56  |  Shmuelshachor 26/09/07
  7.   Whats the problem? 03:57  |  wally 26/09/07
  8.   Opposes Withdrawal "At This Stage" 04:38  |  Efox 26/09/07
  9.   re: Brad on UN Security Guarantees 04:41  |  Efox 26/09/07
  10.   My land My strength 04:42  |  JR 26/09/07
  11.   No benefits to the enemies 05:15  |  bernard ross 26/09/07
  12.   to 8. efox 05:32  |  lebanese 26/09/07
  13.   re: Brod 05:48  |  Paulo 26/09/07
  14.   re: Brod 05:48  |  Paulo 26/09/07
  15.   UN takes control of shebba, what legal & security implications? 05:53  |  topanga 26/09/07
  16.   Has Lebanon transferred our hostages to Israel? 06:09  |  Dan 26/09/07
  17.   Give it back 06:21  |  steve 26/09/07
  18.   other farms 06:40  |  mack 26/09/07
  19.   Syria willing to transfer disputed Shaba Farms to UN 06:51  |  Martin List,M.D. 26/09/07
  20.   To Bernard # 11 Drink up!! 06:51  |  wally 26/09/07
  21.   Mark Lincoln Watching! 07:04  |  A.B. 26/09/07
  22.   Dan # 16 Sorry Dan you can rant and rave........ 07:09  |  wally 26/09/07
  23.   International law is absurd 07:18  |  David 26/09/07
  24.   Shaba Farms and Spain 07:19  |  Ricardo Lion 26/09/07
  25.   Blame it on Gutenberg 07:21  |  Natallie Durson 26/09/07
  26.   #19 , Martin is TOTALLY RIGHT !! 07:49  |  David 26/09/07
  27.   Re A.b 08:00  |  anthony 26/09/07
  28.   To the Lebanese 08:03  |  Anthony 26/09/07
  29.   response to Wally: `what is the problem?` 08:20  |  Witheld 26/09/07
  30.   "Syria ready ..." 08:26  |  John 26/09/07
  31.   Israel must not cave in to UN. Golan is annexed and that should 08:45  |  Reuven 26/09/07
  32.   To Dan 09:08  |  Mike 26/09/07
  33.   Shaba is in Biblical Israel"..From Sidon..." 09:09  |  sam 26/09/07
  34.   Shebaa Belongs To Israel 09:09  |  Da Calif 26/09/07
  35.   What is the problem Israel? 09:15  |  S 26/09/07
  36.   To Martin List, M.D - some funny logic there... 09:16  |  Mike 26/09/07
  37.   This is an opportunity for Israel 09:21  |  Wonderer41 26/09/07
  38.   Efox, Syria doesn`t need Golan to rocket Israel. 09:24  |  spyguy 26/09/07
  39.   ISRAEL IS RIGHT. 09:26  |  M 26/09/07
  40.   did I read correctly? 09:53  |  leven5 26/09/07
  41.   #25 the ludicrous natallie writes hypocritcally from the us a 09:57  |  victor hardman 26/09/07
  42.   how do you say b--ger off in syrian? 10:05  |  harzion 26/09/07
  43.   Opportunities 10:06  |  Outsider 26/09/07
  44.   moratinos was arafat`s doorkeeper 10:07  |  yirmiyahu 26/09/07
  45.   does syria think these cheap carpet market tricks 10:08  |  yaheskel 26/09/07
  46.   And why does Israel WANT to hang on to Shaba? 10:17  |  Johnboy 26/09/07
  47.   To Paolo 10:19  |  Real Lebanese 26/09/07
  48.   Asher Kaufman says Sheba wrongly placed in Syria 10:28  |  Mod 26/09/07
  49.   OF COURSE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BELONG TO SYRIA ?? 10:54  |  Bill 26/09/07
  50.   Clarification 11:01  |  Rabs 26/09/07
  51.   #3 - Read the post right after yours... 11:04  |  JES 26/09/07
  52.   Syria is willing 11:05  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 26/09/07
  53.   Spain should transfer Ceuta and Melina to Morocco instead 11:05  |  Absolute Sweden 26/09/07
  54.   Very very clever move 11:22  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  55.   #3 the lincoln just crashed into the usual pile of manure 11:32  |  victor hardman 26/09/07
  56.   UN Taking Way Too Long As Usual 11:44  |  Jane 26/09/07
  57.   #48 Absolute Sweden 11:48  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  58.   Israel Does Not Need or Want Shabba 11:50  |  Jane 26/09/07
  59.   17 STEVE NEGATIVE 12:06  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 26/09/07
  60.   johnboy "the un cartographer says it is lebanese" 12:17  |  zebulun 26/09/07
  61.   johnboy "lebanese hate israel`s guts" 12:18  |  zebulun 26/09/07
  62.   johnboy i am interested that an australian 12:21  |  zebulun 26/09/07
  63.   #33 ISREAL INSTIGATED THE CONFLICT-SAYS WHO? 12:26  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 26/09/07
  64.   #41 Hardhead the settler in belfast complains 12:46  |  Labhras 26/09/07
  65.   time is running out... 12:49  |  ravi 26/09/07
  66.   Mike/Sydney 12:50  |  Israeli 26/09/07
  67.   S 12:52  |  Jasmine Murphy 26/09/07
  68.   #3 12:53  |  Moshe 26/09/07
  69.   #60 Zebulun 12:59  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  70.   #25 13:05  |  Moshe 26/09/07
  71.   It`s not their`s, but they`re willing to give it up? 13:26  |  David Teich 26/09/07
  72.   Why Israel and Hezbollah want the Shebaa Farms 13:34  |  Reality 26/09/07
  73.   ravi you are from a basket case nation 13:41  |  westernghats 26/09/07
  74.   ravi when will you stop persecuting oppressing and 13:44  |  harijan 26/09/07
  75.   Time is running out 13:51  |  Petra 26/09/07
  76.   How Israel jams Arse of enemies 13:55  |  Petra 26/09/07
  77.   #58 Jane 13:55  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  78.   THERE`S ONLY A MINOR PROBLEM HERE 13:56  |  Robert 26/09/07
  79.   Syria and Lebnon, peace amkers? In your dreams 14:00  |  Petra 26/09/07
  80.   #64 labarse confused after a bottle of jamiesons 14:01  |  victor hardman 26/09/07
  81.   Sheba`a Farm 14:01  |  David Segal 26/09/07
  82.   Good answer Jasmine Murphy but 14:13  |  S 26/09/07
  83.   #60 Not up with current events, I see, zebulun 14:14  |  Johnboy 26/09/07
  84.   65 TIME IS RUNNING OUT-BUT NOT FOR WHO YOU SAY 14:16  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 26/09/07
  85.   #31 Reuvan beats the war drums 14:25  |  Johnboy 26/09/07
  86.   #77 Victor Hadman 14:32  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  87.   ravi 14:39  |  Petra 26/09/07
  88.   Syria could refer ownership of Damascus to UN 14:45  |  Elvis Scudbubble 26/09/07
  89.   Syria could refer ownership of Damascus to UN 14:45  |  Elvis Scudbubble 26/09/07
  90.   Syria could refer ownership of Damascus to UN 14:45  |  Elvis Scudbubble 26/09/07
  91.   Syria could refer ownership of Damascus to UN 14:45  |  Elvis Scudbubble 26/09/07
  92.   Syria could refer ownership of Damascus to UN 14:45  |  Elvis Scudbubble 26/09/07
  93.   Syria could refer ownership of Damascus to UN 14:45  |  Elvis Scudbubble 26/09/07
  94.   #68 Care to pretend sovereignty lies with Israel, David? 14:46  |  Johnboy 26/09/07
  95.   ravi # 65 What 1967 Borders? 15:04  |  Jeff Northridge 26/09/07
  96.   #23 David 15:05  |  North American 26/09/07
  97.   How many fingers am I holding up? 15:10  |  Jacob Blues 26/09/07
  98.   To Petra 15:16  |  Real Lebanese 26/09/07
  99.   Peace first then withdrawal. 15:29  |  Joseph 26/09/07
  100.   #46 errrrm videogameboy 15:33  |  peter 26/09/07
  101.   Sheeba Farms Timeline 15:40  |  Chick 26/09/07
  102.   Chris Linthwaite # 74 The Shebaa Farms Is Ill-Defined 15:57  |  Jeff Northridge 26/09/07
  103.   #5 Lynn 16:00  |  Shana 26/09/07
  104.   #86chris likes his little joke ! 16:01  |  victor hardman 26/09/07
  105.   Run away 16:16  |  future 26/09/07
  106.   Hell 16:18  |  future 26/09/07
  107.   Transfer ownership of the `farms` to the USA 16:19  |  Me 26/09/07
  108.   Of course, to Syria Lebanon is their province 16:23  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 26/09/07
  109.   #102 Jeff Northidge 16:24  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  110.   mark Lincoln 16:30  |  Danite 26/09/07
  111.   Proof of the Sheba Farms Hoax 16:33  |  Danite 26/09/07
  112.   Margie 16:34  |  northern neighbor 26/09/07
  113.   shaba`a 16:34  |  khairi janbek 26/09/07
  114.   Johnboy # 79 The UN Charter, Article 2(4) 16:40  |  Jeff Northridge 26/09/07
  115.   Good positions by both Syria and Israel 16:45  |  Tosefta 26/09/07
  116.   Northern neighbour 16:45  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 26/09/07
  117.   Robert & Petra 76/78 16:46  |  northern neighbor 26/09/07
  118.   @24, ricardo leon 16:48  |  vladimir 26/09/07
  119.   Another syrian lie 16:51  |  Dania 26/09/07
  120.   Once UN Moves Its Arse Linthwaite 16:53  |  Jane 26/09/07
  121.   # 103 shana 16:54  |  Lynn 26/09/07
  122.   Johnboy (#46) Obviously has NO CLUE 16:56  |  Gil 26/09/07
  123.   # 113 Janbek of France 16:59  |  Lynn 26/09/07
  124.   Nahid # 25 Shaba Farms 17:04  |  Bill 26/09/07
  125.   # 72 Reality 17:05  |  Lynn 26/09/07
  126.   @64, labhras, what about 10000s of raped yung irish boys 17:09  |  vladimir 26/09/07
  127.   High Ground 17:10  |  Neal 26/09/07
  128.   Aladdin and his `mascus carpet 17:12  |  leven5 26/09/07
  129.   tveira man and un cartographers 17:18  |  googleearth 26/09/07
  130.   #120 Jane 17:23  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  131.   LINCIOLN-- ABSOLUTE CONTEMPT 17:23  |  JOJO 26/09/07
  132.   STEVE #17 TALKING OF THE WORLD 17:36  |  JOJO 26/09/07
  133.   #69 - Chris 17:38  |  JES 26/09/07
  134.   demarcating...Lynn 17:42  |  khairi janbek 26/09/07
  135.   Chris Linthwaite # 109 Yes And No 17:46  |  Jeff Northridge 26/09/07
  136.   #3: typical anti-Jewish pornography 17:46  |  Paul Freedman 26/09/07
  137.   #83 - Johnboy - "nobody doubts"? 17:51  |  JES 26/09/07
  138.   CHRIS #54 17:54  |  JOJO 26/09/07
  139.   Syria is most generous 18:21  |  * BEN JABO 26/09/07
  140.   to Paulo PLEASE!!!! 18:23  |  Jay 26/09/07
  141.   to Paulo 2 18:28  |  Jay 26/09/07
  142.   Too Blockheaded to get it (Jeff Northridge #114; re Johnboy) 18:28  |  Tosefta 26/09/07
  143.   To "Real Lebanese" PLEase 18:40  |  Jay 26/09/07
  144.   Johnboy - austrolopitecus 18:43  |  Amish 26/09/07
  145.   Johnboy 18:46  |  Walid 26/09/07
  146.   God`s Covenant Irrelevant 18:46  |  dan 26/09/07
  147.   Reality 19:02  |  Walid 26/09/07
  148.   Dan Israel was kicked out 19:09  |  JP 26/09/07
  149.   shabaa 19:25  |  kochen mohamed 26/09/07
  150.   Ricardo Lion 19:52  |  christa 26/09/07
  151.   To Reuven 19:55  |  christa 26/09/07
  152.   ricardo lion....the jews.... 19:59  |  maria 26/09/07
  153.   Da Calif 20:00  |  christa 26/09/07
  154.   # 26 In your place. Fatmah, I`d concentrate on what arabs have... 20:02  |  Misha 26/09/07
  155.   Absolute Zionist Sweden 20:02  |  christa 26/09/07
  156.   To zebulun 20:10  |  christa 26/09/07
  157.   Too Blockheaded to get it (Jeff Northridge #114; re Johnboy) 20:11  |  Tosefta 26/09/07
  158.   real lebanese ....how can you kick out americans 20:11  |  maria 26/09/07
  159.   #138 JOJO 20:18  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  160.   Johnboy rants over every inch of Lebanese soil 20:27  |  Alon Fisher 26/09/07
  161.   steve minneapolis:Gee steve in NYC we don`t see things as you do. 20:40  |  Steve-NYC 26/09/07
  162.   77# yes Chris Lintwit 20:42  |  Alon Fisher 26/09/07
  163.   Yes chris Lintwitt,what makes you any different??? 20:48  |  Alon Fisher 26/09/07
  164.   War!!! 20:54  |  Amish 26/09/07
  165.   Withdrawal 20:54  |  B 26/09/07
  166.   41# David Dutch Doris is a Native American 20:57  |  Alon Fisher 26/09/07
  167.   # 139 *BEN JABO Syria is most generous.IT WAS NEVER THEIRS! 21:09  |  KATH` 26/09/07
  168.   #163 Alon Fisher 21:09  |  Amish 26/09/07
  169.   Tosefta # 115 Why Is That? 21:10  |  Jeff Northridge 26/09/07
  170.   C LINTHWAITE #138 21:12  |  JOJO 26/09/07
  171.   # 138 JO JO.re:chris` FOOLS WILL BE FOOLS.AND NONE OTHER THAN... 21:16  |  KATH` 26/09/07
  172.   # 163 Alon Fisher.re:Lintwitt. Don`t you know his repugnance on.. 21:22  |  KATH` 26/09/07
  173.   To Avrum 21:24  |  Rita 26/09/07
  174.   #162 Alon Fisher 21:25  |  Chris Linthwaite 26/09/07
  175.   TO Bernard Ross 21:29  |  Rita 26/09/07
  176.   Assad minor is a major problem 21:32  |  David 26/09/07
  177.   peace lovers should want to see it off the table 21:32  |  Shelley 26/09/07
  178.   To Dan 21:34  |  Rita 26/09/07
  179.   christa if i may answer for zebulun 21:42  |  angel tomkins 26/09/07
  180.   Tosefta # 157 May Be, Not Must Be 21:53  |  Jeff Northridge 26/09/07
  181.   #142 Tosefta and Jeff 21:53  |  Labhras 26/09/07
  182.   #81 David THANK YOU 21:55  |  Ritz 26/09/07
  183.   speak for yourself steve,the majority of americans 22:17  |  terrornator 26/09/07
  184.   pat yourself on the back again,mark lincoln,i`m sure 22:20  |  terrornator 26/09/07
  185.   re: spyguy 22:26  |  Efox 26/09/07
  186.   re: Jay 22:27  |  Paulo 26/09/07
  187.   re: lebanese 22:29  |  Efox 26/09/07
  188.   re: Jay 22:36  |  Paulo 26/09/07
  189.   spyguy - reality vs pathology 22:38  |  Mark Lincoln 26/09/07
  190.   Israel already negotated the border in August 2006 22:41  |  Pablo B 26/09/07
  191.   You got it Tosefta - an unfortunately slick move 22:45  |  Mark Lincoln 26/09/07
  192.   #111 Say Danite 22:55  |  ballistic 26/09/07
  193.   HOW DO TYOU TURN OVER WHAT ISN`T YOURS? 22:55  |  PalestniansAreA Myth 26/09/07
  194.   Appologies from San Francisco 22:56  |  Scharker Yid 26/09/07
  195.   Chris Linthwaite # 159 Wow! 22:57  |  Jeff Northridge 26/09/07
  196.   #130 There you go Ben Jabo! 22:58  |  ballistic 26/09/07
  197.   Chris Linthwaite ? You Have Some Crooked Ideas 23:02  |  Gil 26/09/07
  198.   # 172 Labra you have become a protected specie on this site... 23:06  |  Misha 26/09/07
  199.   Chris Linthwaite (#159) ? You Have Some Crooked Ideas 23:06  |  Gil 26/09/07
  200.   Still Bolckheaded (Jeff Northridge #172) 23:24  |  Tosefta 26/09/07
  201.   No farms there - it`s Har Dov 23:31  |  Israeli 26/09/07
  202.   #179 Say Terrornator 23:38  |  ballistic 26/09/07
  203.   Is this Al-Sham promised reaction to Izrail air raid? 23:38  |  Genuine Loubnani 26/09/07
  204.   Papa vs. Baby Assad (Mark Lincoln #187) 23:39  |  Tosefta 26/09/07
  205.   Labhras # 173 Precisely 23:48  |  Jeff Northridge 26/09/07
  206.   188# return of the African American hillbilly 23:53  |  Alon Fisher 26/09/07
  207.   #137 JES, how about stopping and thinking for once? 23:54  |  Johnboy 26/09/07
  208.   mark lincoln "the kid has shown a shrewdness" 23:58  |  yoni 26/09/07
  209.   168# Kath I enjoy 00:03  |  Alon Fisher 27/09/07
  210.   #114 A hollow argument, Jeff 00:04  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  211.   Shaba Farms 00:06  |  Adam 27/09/07
  212.   Lintwitt asks for a referandum!!!!! 00:09  |  Alon Fisher 27/09/07
  213.   #122 There is one thing that is known for a certainty, Gil 00:13  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  214.   #160 Flies right over your head, doesn`t it Alon 00:24  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  215.   #1.Brod. How on earth sitting in USA making you an expert.. 00:26  |  Jean Claude 27/09/07
  216.   Chris Linthwaite ? (#159) You Have Some Crooked Ideas 00:32  |  Gil 27/09/07
  217.   moratinos like all mediterranean catholics 00:39  |  judah 27/09/07
  218.   To Israeli - 66 00:40  |  Mike 27/09/07
  219.   #44.yirmiyahu.for your education 00:40  |  Gonzalo de La B. 27/09/07
  220.   Jonhboy (#198) Maybe in Your Country 00:49  |  Gil 27/09/07
  221.   shaba farms 00:53  |  Eli Habib 27/09/07
  222.   re:Has Lebanon transferred our hostages to Israel? 01:02  |  Eli Habib 27/09/07
  223.   Pablo B # 186 It Could Be 01:03  |  Jeff Northridge 27/09/07
  224.   #188 Say Alon 01:10  |  ballistic 27/09/07
  225.   ballistic the ignorant 01:17  |  danite 27/09/07
  226.   #207 Gil 01:31  |  Chris Linthwaite 27/09/07
  227.   Tosefta - different times 01:34  |  Mark Lincoln 27/09/07
  228.   #206 Alon Fisher 01:36  |  Chris Linthwite 27/09/07
  229.   yoni 01:36  |  Mark Lincoln 27/09/07
  230.   95Howdy Jeff,ravi is right,the Partition Line is the only legally 01:42  |  lakshmi 27/09/07
  231.   Clever move by Syria.Checkmate! 01:43  |  lakshmi 27/09/07
  232.   JR # 10 01:57  |  ChanahS 27/09/07
  233.   Johnboy # 204 What "Neighboring State"? 01:57  |  Jeff Northridge 27/09/07
  234.   #217 It makes perfect sense, Danite 02:20  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  235.   Giving back? sure, why not...... 02:24  |  Mexi 27/09/07
  236.   #226 Not thinking too deeply, I see Jeff 02:55  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  237.   #226 Back to you old, old mistake, Jeff.... 03:08  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  238.   #225 ChanahS 03:19  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  239.   so ballestic,you saying your going to support the muslims instead 03:30  |  terrornator 27/09/07
  240.   which is it ballestic,the bible or the koran? 03:33  |  terrornator 27/09/07
  241.   ballestic,exactly what part of losing land in a war do you not 03:38  |  terrornator 27/09/07
  242.   ballestic,LMFO,what has katrina,a major bridge falling, 03:41  |  terrornator 27/09/07
  243.   mexi # 235 well give you texas right now if you promise to take 03:44  |  terrornator 27/09/07
  244.   #32 03:47  |  Moshe 27/09/07
  245.   244 Moshe,the Geneva Convention does not allow you take and keep 04:00  |  lakshmi 27/09/07
  246.   Syria will have to accept it, regardless (Jeff Northridge #169) 04:17  |  Tosefta 27/09/07
  247.   Terronator, who??? 04:44  |  Mexi 27/09/07
  248.   #244 Moshe contradicts himself..... 04:57  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  249.   # 202 ballistic 05:05  |  Lynn 27/09/07
  250.   #245 lakshmi 05:11  |  Lynn 27/09/07
  251.   since when have muslims/arabs played by geneva rules,unless it`s 05:15  |  terrornator 27/09/07
  252.   mexi,you really don`t wanna know. 05:22  |  terrornator 27/09/07
  253.   terrornator..God 05:36  |  maria 27/09/07
  254.   mexi from tijuana...it`s good that nevada,texas,etc. 05:43  |  maria 27/09/07
  255.   terrornator re. mexi...don`t give texas back to 05:47  |  maria 27/09/07
  256.   #246 Better recheck your facts, Tosefta 05:51  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  257.   #207 - Charming as usual 06:05  |  JES 27/09/07
  258.   #226 - Why don`t you read the article Chris 06:21  |  JES 27/09/07
  259.   #248 - for our ace pilot 06:31  |  JES 27/09/07
  260.   I finally understand Israel 06:36  |  Neil 27/09/07
  261.   #257 JES thinks its all about ISRAEL, ISRAEL, ISRAEL 07:06  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  262.   Linthwaite #130 07:23  |  Dakkar 27/09/07
  263.   transfer of Shaba Farms 07:26  |  geoff 27/09/07
  264.   Neil #260 "Final understanding Israel" 07:28  |  S 27/09/07
  265.   #259 JES - ohhhhhh, the delicious irony!!!! 07:29  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  266.   Chris Linthwaite 07:37  |  Sara 27/09/07
  267.   Terrrornator, nice deal 07:47  |  Mexi 27/09/07
  268.   Chris Linthwaite 07:49  |  Avi 27/09/07
  269.   Yesterday the Holocaust, today Shaba Farms! 07:55  |  Akram Zekaria 27/09/07
  270.   Maria Maria.... 07:56  |  Mexi 27/09/07
  271.   #261 - Yes it really is simple 08:02  |  JES 27/09/07
  272.   #265 - Precisely the point, LOL 08:14  |  JES 27/09/07
  273.   #266 - Gee Chris 08:18  |  JES 27/09/07
  274.   Oh, and BTW, Sonny 08:54  |  JES 27/09/07
  275.   #271 JES, you are a hoot..... 09:04  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  276.   #272 JES, still a hoot!!! 09:17  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  277.   #238 Say Terrornator 09:23  |  ballistic 27/09/07
  278.   #240 Terrornator 09:26  |  ballistic 27/09/07
  279.   #241 Terrornator 09:29  |  ballistic 27/09/07
  280.   #272 JES!!! You are contradicting yourself!!! 09:30  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  281.   #242 My my Terrornator, you are full 09:35  |  ballistic 27/09/07
  282.   #249 Say Lynn 09:42  |  ballistic 27/09/07
  283.   #272 Which Illyushin bomber would that be, JES?? 09:48  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  284.   #276 - RFLMAO 10:01  |  JES 27/09/07
  285.   #272 - Oh thick one... 10:04  |  JES 27/09/07
  286.   #247 Oh, and BTW, JESter 10:19  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  287.   Disputed territory 10:23  |  Friend of Israel 27/09/07
  288.   #283 - Okay, I`ll defer to you on the stats... 10:33  |  JES 27/09/07
  289.   Time for a little recap, I think, JES 10:46  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  290.   Actually Johnboy 10:59  |  JES 27/09/07
  291.   46: JB, as usual, gets it wrong again (2nd try) 11:01  |  david Teich 27/09/07
  292.   236: Even when getting close, JB gets it wrong 11:15  |  David Teich 27/09/07
  293.   Friend of Israel 13:57  |  Friend of Arabs 27/09/07
  294.   #285 Oh dear, oh dear JES 14:18  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  295.   #288 JES, JES, JES..... 14:24  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  296.   #291 David Teich doesn`t do subtlety 14:37  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  297.   lakshmi "smart move by syria .checkmate" 14:39  |  apollo bundar 27/09/07
  298.   #292 David gets it wrong, again... 14:48  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  299.   #292 And David gets it wrong, again, again. 14:55  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  300.   johnboy are you at ease with the killing of lebanese politicians 15:02  |  zebulun 27/09/07
  301.   #299 Videogameboy 15:27  |  peter 27/09/07
  302.   My faulty memory, but Syria will have to accept (Johnboy #256) 16:33  |  Tosefta 27/09/07
  303.   Johnboy # 237 No Mistake 16:33  |  Jeff Northridge 27/09/07
  304.   Johnboy # 237 No Mistake (part 2) 17:20  |  Jeff Northridge 27/09/07
  305.   #294 - Sonny 17:27  |  JES 27/09/07
  306.   They are Lebanese 17:37  |  Frank 27/09/07
  307.   Shaba Farms is part of Israel now 17:38  |  Jason from colorado 27/09/07
  308.   #289 - Nice 17:55  |  JES 27/09/07
  309.   #295 - And again.... 18:01  |  JES 27/09/07
  310.   Johnboy # 298 UNGAR 181 18:32  |  Jeff Northridge 27/09/07
  311.   # 260 Neil 19:01  |  Lynn 27/09/07
  312.   While Johnboy is asleep, I operate on the blockage (Jeff N #304) 19:07  |  Tosefta 27/09/07
  313.   # 282 ballistic 19:08  |  Lynn 27/09/07
  314.   Tosefta # 302 The UN`s Authority In Border Disputes 19:38  |  Jeff Northridge 27/09/07
  315.   JB # 238 19:46  |  ChanahS 27/09/07
  316.   UNGAR #181; the Blockhead breaks my heart (Jeff Northridge #310) 19:49  |  Tosefta 27/09/07
  317.   #245 21:16  |  Moshe 27/09/07
  318.   #247 21:40  |  Moshe 27/09/07
  319.   Tosefta # 315 Strategic 21:47  |  Jeff Northridge 27/09/07
  320.   ballistic....they will return the land,but it`s not theirs 21:51  |  maria 27/09/07
  321.   Tosefta # 312 International Law 22:31  |  Jeff Northridge 27/09/07
  322.   Borders and Refugees (Jeff Northridge #314, 319) 22:56  |  Tosefta 27/09/07
  323.   #303 Jeff, you KNOW you are being disengenious 23:37  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  324.   #304 You have it backwards, JEFF 23:48  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  325.   #305 Such a lack of knowledge, JES! 23:56  |  Johnboy 27/09/07
  326.   #308 JES reduced to denying his own words. 00:04  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  327.   #320 Hi there Maria 00:20  |  ballistic 28/09/07
  328.   #309 JES wonders out loud.... 00:25  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  329.   #313 Poor Lynn, say cupcake 00:26  |  ballistic 28/09/07
  330.   #310 I`ve explained this to you before, JEFF 00:35  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  331.   #318 Tosefta, a few points..... 01:47  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  332.   #321 Jeff not the most nuanced person 02:05  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  333.   #315 No kidding, ChanahS!!!!! 02:13  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  334.   #318 Moshe regurgitates the excuses 02:23  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  335.   #318 Where Moshe goes wrong 02:30  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  336.   #318 Moshe wants to mention WW2 02:41  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  337.   #323-325 03:25  |  Moshe 28/09/07
  338.   #309 Time to put on your Thinking Cap, JES 04:13  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  339.   Conspiracy theory regarding Slowman 04:29  |  Barak Ravid 28/09/07
  340.   #299 Your claim should have a name associated with it, David 04:29  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  341.   #329 Wonderful 19th century thinking, Moshe 04:40  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  342.   #329 And THIS bit is laughable, Moshe 04:56  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  343.   #327ballistic is there a permanent fog in henderson 05:59  |  victor hardman 28/09/07
  344.   #325 - Ah yes, Johnboy 06:06  |  JES 28/09/07
  345.   #326 - Sonny 06:12  |  JES 28/09/07
  346.   #328 - Uh, huh.... 06:18  |  JES 28/09/07
  347.   #338 - So sonny... 06:24  |  JES 28/09/07
  348.   #241 - Not quite 06:48  |  JES 28/09/07
  349.   #341 - So it`s really about legal semantics, sonny? 06:50  |  JES 28/09/07
  350.   #345 Dear oh dear, your can`t even comprehend your own words JES 07:35  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  351.   #346 JES sees two possibilities 07:42  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  352.   #347 JES looks, but he can not see..... 07:51  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  353.   #348 JES supports my case, and doesn`t even know it. 08:09  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  354.   #349 No JES, it is the zionists who claim legal semantics 08:21  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  355.   #350 - Yes, Johnboy... and so? 08:44  |  JES 28/09/07
  356.   #317 2nd try to reply to this rubbish, Moshe 08:58  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  357.   #343 Gosh, victor, that`s some reading list.... 09:08  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  358.   #348 JES needs to scrub up on his law. 09:30  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  359.   #350 - Oh my, sonny 10:24  |  JES 28/09/07
  360.   #355 JES asks "so what?" 10:29  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  361.   #351 - Sure Johnboy 10:31  |  JES 28/09/07
  362.   #352 - ROFLMFAO! 10:36  |  JES 28/09/07
  363.   #357johnboy keeps up his frenetic ranting 10:55  |  victor hardman 28/09/07
  364.   #360 - There is a difference... 11:33  |  JES 28/09/07
  365.   #364 Head in the sand, JES. Head in the sand.... 14:26  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  366.   #361 JES confuses "plodding" with "insight" 14:38  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  367.   #359 JES simply puts on a dumb face and says "huh??" 14:52  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  368.   #364 JES plays dumb again 15:10  |  Johnboy 28/09/07
  369.   #365 - Sonny 17:36  |  JES 28/09/07
  370.   #366 - You 17:38  |  JES 28/09/07
  371.   #367 - Let me `splain it to you slowly Lucy 17:44  |  JES 28/09/07
  372.   #365 - Well Johnboy 17:47  |  JES 28/09/07
  373.   296: Poor JB, doesn`t do thinking 19:07  |  David Teich 29/09/07
  374.   85: JB`s busy lying again (2nd try) 19:08  |  David Teich 29/09/07
  375.   298-9: JB doesn`t even comprehend, well, anything..., p1 19:18  |  David Teich 29/09/07
  376.   298-9: JB doesn`t even comprehend, well, anything..., p2 19:24  |  David Teich 29/09/07
  377.   #369 The "logic" is lacking JES 12:56  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  378.   #370 JES flounders again 13:03  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  379.   #371 JES attempts mock outrage 13:15  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  380.   #372 JES the joker 13:22  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  381.   #373 David rather misses an important fact 13:28  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  382.   #374 Ho-hum to David`s "objections" 13:41  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  383.   #375 David Teich`s loose grasp of history 13:47  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  384.   #375 David Teich`s loose grasp of Int`l Law 13:55  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  385.   #367 David still doesn`t get it Part 1 14:03  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  386.   #367 David still doesn`t get it Part 2 14:13  |  Johnboy 02/10/07
  387.   JB`s spam attack gets it wrong, as usual..., p1 19:56  |  David Teich 02/10/07
  388.   JB`s spam attack gets it wrong, as usual..., p2 20:01  |  David Teich 02/10/07
  389.   JB`s spam attack gets it wrong, as usual..., p3 20:09  |  David Teich 02/10/07
  390.   JB`s spam attack gets it wrong, as usual..., p4 20:16  |  David Teich 02/10/07
  391.   JB`s spam attack gets it wrong, as usual..., p5 20:23  |  David Teich 02/10/07
  392.   JB`s spam attack gets it wrong, as usual..., p6 20:29  |  David Teich 02/10/07
  393.   #387 David gets it all wrong Part 1 02:27  |  Johnboy 04/10/07
  394.   #388 David gets it all wrong Part 2 02:37  |  Johnboy 04/10/07
  395.   #398 David gets everything wrong Part 3 02:48  |  Johnboy 04/10/07
  396.   #390 David gets everything wrong Part 4 02:57  |  Johnboy 04/10/07
  397.   #391 David gets everything wrong Part 5 03:03  |  Johnboy 04/10/07
  398.   #391 David`s ignorance 03:09  |  Johnboy 04/10/07
  399.   #392 David gets everything wrong Part 6 03:12  |  Johnboy 04/10/07
  400.   368: Sadly, JB`s not playing (3rd try) 15:57  |  David Teich 04/10/07
  401.   Poor JB, again proving he lives by denial, p1 16:06  |  David Teich 04/10/07
  402.   Poor JB, again proving he lives by denial, p2 16:12  |  David Teich 04/10/07
  403.   Poor JB, again proving he lives by denial, p3 16:21  |  David Teich 04/10/07
  404.   Poor JB, again proving he lives by denial, p4 16:31  |  David Teich 04/10/07
  405.   Poor JB, again proving he lives by denial, p5 16:38  |  David Teich 04/10/07